Marketplace: "Some Things Haven’t Changed"
Release Date: February 11, 2025
Host: Kai Ryssdal

1. Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum: Unpacking the Economic Impact

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Kai Ryssdal opens the episode with a discussion on the intertwined relationship between steel and aluminum industries in the United States. Since the Trump administration's initial tariffs in 2018, domestic steel production has surged, reducing the import share to approximately 32%. Mitchell Hartman from Marketplace highlights, “US steelmakers will likely benefit from tariffs on foreign competitors” [02:16].

Jennifer McEwen from Capital Economics observes that the U.S. steel sector still has significant spare capacity, suggesting potential for further production increases [02:23]. However, rising steel prices are causing concern across various industries, particularly construction. Brian Termail of the Associated General Contractors of America points out, “steel is built into what contractors charge for projects in home building” [02:34]. This increase affects costs for everyday items like washers, dryers, and stoves in multifamily units [02:46].

In contrast, the aluminum industry faces different challenges. Only about half of the aluminum used domestically is produced in the U.S., with Canada being the primary source of imports. Richard Abulafia from Aerodynamic Advisory explains, “Aluminum is used in electrical components, appliances, and aircraft” [03:09]. Gary Hofbauer from the Peterson Institute for International Economics notes the high production costs and the current electricity shortages exacerbated by the AI boom, making it difficult for U.S. aluminum producers to compete even with a 25% tariff on imports [03:30].

2. Consumer Inflation Expectations: Stability Amid Uncertainty

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Marketplace’s Elizabeth Troval delves into a January survey from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, revealing that consumers largely believe inflation remains stagnant, neither improving nor worsening [04:58]. Zach Bethune from Rice University summarizes, “Consumers are dug in” with inflation expectations stabilizing around 3%—slightly above the Fed’s 2% target [05:00].

Luke Pardue of the Aspen Economic Strategy Group discusses anticipated rises in commodity prices, particularly in housing and energy, which remain underlying concerns for consumers [05:16]. Kristen Schwab adds, “A lot of these commodity prices are forecast to rise […] That’s an underlying concern in the report” [05:26]. Despite a slightly loosening labor market, Denny Cohenemci from Morning Consult notes a growing pessimism among consumers regarding the economic outlook [05:30].

3. Food and Beverage Industry Earnings: Insights into Consumer Spending

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Kristen Schwab analyzes upcoming earnings reports from major food and beverage companies such as McDonald's, Kraft, Heinz, Coca-Cola, and Nestlé, emphasizing their significance in understanding consumer trends. Eric Gonzalez from KeyBank highlights McDonald’s impressive 30% same-store sales growth despite disappointing quarterly revenues [06:43]. He explains, “Consumers aren't only thinking about prices, they're focused on what those prices get them, like sit-down service or bottomless chips” [07:13].

Robert Byrne from Tech Nomic observes that consumers maintain their spending levels by reducing the number of dining occasions rather than the total expenditure [07:31]. David Porter Latin from Circana provides data indicating that the average American allocates 60% of their food budget to home consumption and 40% to eating out [07:39]. This stability suggests that while consumers adjust how they spend, their overall food budgets remain consistent [08:01].

4. Data Centers in Central Ohio: Power Demands and Community Impact

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Kai Ryssdal transitions to the growing presence of data centers operated by tech giants like Amazon, Meta, and Google. Maya Frazier from Switchyard Magazine discusses the surge in data center development in New Albany, Ohio, focusing on their immense electricity requirements [09:05]. These facilities are described as “monstrosities” due to their size and the extensive electrical infrastructure needed [09:13].

Frazier explains the local conflict over new transmission lines necessary to power these data centers, which have significantly raised farmland prices and displaced long-time farming families. “We've seen a massive increase in the price of farmland, making farming unsustainable for families who have farmed for generations” [12:15]. The lack of public benefits from these developments has left communities feeling powerless [12:36].

As demand for data centers and electricity continues to grow, concerns mount about the future impact on local communities. Frazier highlights the minimal public investment and the privatized nature of economic development through JobsOhio, exacerbating local frustrations [13:24].

5. Car Safety Inspections: A State-by-State Patchwork

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Marketplace's Henry Abbott explores the varying state requirements for annual vehicle safety inspections. States like Texas, Utah, New Jersey, and Florida have eliminated routine safety checks, leaving 15 states and the District of Columbia to maintain them [17:26].

At Garlington Garage in South Burlington, Vermont, technician Max Burlow details the inspection process, emphasizing checks for rust, lights, and brake integrity [17:48]. Demini Pollitt, owner of Garlington Garage, acknowledges that while inspections are good for business, consumers like Thomas Dunbar feel vulnerable to potential exploitation [18:52].

The episode discusses the unintended consequences of Texas abolishing safety inspections, such as the closure of inspection stations and concerns over road safety [19:55]. Subhashish Dasch from Texas State University mentions the lack of evidence linking inspections to improved safety, calling for more research [20:32]. David Bennett from AAA advises regular vehicle maintenance regardless of state requirements to prevent breakdowns [20:37].

6. Rising Costs of Homeownership: Property Taxes and Insurance

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Samantha Fields reports on increasing property taxes and homeowners insurance, which are now consuming nearly one-third of homeowners' monthly payments—a decade-high [23:08]. Tim Anderson from Intercontinental Exchange attributes rising insurance costs primarily to climate change-induced extreme weather events, which have led to higher premiums and reduced competition among insurers [23:32].

Amy Bach from United Policyholders points out that advanced insurer technologies, such as drone inspections and AI-driven risk assessments, are contributing to premium hikes and non-renewals [24:04]. Jenny Schutz from Arnold Ventures notes that new homeowners are particularly affected by these increases since existing homeowners often benefit from capped tax rates and lower insurance costs [24:35].

High property taxes and insurance costs, combined with already inflated home prices and mortgage rates, are making homeownership unaffordable for many. Kurt Olabak shares his personal experience of doubling his insurance costs, leading his family to consider moving to more affordable areas [25:22]. Kristen Schwab highlights the rise in mortgage delinquencies among lower-income homeowners struggling with these escalating costs [25:34].

7. Elon Musk’s Unsolicited Offer to Buy OpenAI: Potential Implications

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In a brief closing segment, Kai Ryssdal touches on a high-profile financial move where Elon Musk and a group of investors have made an unsolicited $97.4 billion offer to acquire OpenAI, the creators of ChatGPT [26:59]. Given the strained relationship between Musk and OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, the outcome of this offer remains uncertain, potentially leading to significant changes in the AI landscape [27:05].

Notable Quotes

• Mitchell Hartman: “US steelmakers will likely benefit from tariffs on foreign competitors.” [02:16]

• Brian Termail: “Steel is built into what contractors charge for projects in home building.” [02:34]

• Eric Gonzalez: “Consumers aren't only thinking about prices, they're focused on what those prices get them, like sit-down service or bottomless chips.” [07:13]

• Kristen Schwab: “A lot of these commodity prices are forecast to rise […] That’s an underlying concern in the report.” [05:26]

• Maya Frazier: “We've seen a massive increase in the price of farmland, making farming unsustainable for families who have farmed for generations.” [12:15]

• Henry Abbott: “This process is not exactly popular with drivers like Thomas Dunbar.” [18:15]

• Samantha Fields: “Combined [property taxes and insurance] they've jumped almost $3,000.” [22:38]

Conclusion

In this episode, Marketplace host Kai Ryssdal and his team explore enduring economic and social issues, from the complexities of metal tariffs and their impact on industries to the rising costs of homeownership and the shifting landscape of automotive safety regulations. The discussions provide a comprehensive look at how these factors influence both businesses and everyday consumers, offering valuable insights into the persistent challenges within the U.S. economy.

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