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Timothy Massad
It was a bad idea when it was just bitcoin. It's probably even a worse idea when you're starting to add some other tokens. Look, there's no national interest here. This is not like oil, which has a use case, which is why we created the strategic reserve for oil. It doesn't help our economic situation. It's not going to do anything to lower the price of eggs or increase people's wages, and it doesn't help the dollar.
Jen
Our next guest gave testimony at the Senate Banking Committee subcommittee hearing called Exploring Bipartisan Legislative Frameworks for Digital Assets. Joining me now is research fellow and director of the Digital Assets Policy Project at the Harvard Kennedy School and former CFTC Chairman Timothy Massad. Welcome to the show, Chairman.
Timothy Massad
Thank you for having me, Jen.
Jen
We heard from President Trump on Truth Social that he expects to include a variety of digital assets in a US Strategic crypto reserve. Now, I know that you have thoughts on strategic bitcoin reserve and a strategic crypto reserve. What do you make of his comments?
Timothy Massad
Well, I'm sad to see them, actually, because it sounds like he really does want to move forward with this. And I think it's a very bad idea. I think it was a bad idea when it was just bitcoin. It's probably even a worse idea when you're starting to add some other tokens. Look, there's no national interest here. This is not like oil, which has a use case, which is why we created the strategic reserve for oil. It doesn't help our economic situation. It's not going to do anything to lower the price of eggs or increase people's wages, and it doesn't help the dollar. The dollar's strength is rooted in trade and our position in international trade. And the dollar's strength also depends on the strength of our economy. I see this really as a payback to a lot of the crypto people who supported him. And again, I just don't see any national interest. And I think it's bad for digital assets, quite frankly, because what does it mean? Is the government then going to be looking at seizing mining operations through imminent domain, or are we going to be more vulnerable to hacks because of this? I just see no national interest here.
Jen
You know, when this plan, when the strategic Bitcoin reserve plan was presented by Senator Lummis at the Bitcoin conference last year, it was presented really as a plan to start to address the debt in the United States. It sounds like you're saying, you know, this isn't the way to tackle that. Will you dig a little bit deeper into that for me?
Timothy Massad
Sure. Well, I think the theory of that case is let's buy it because the price is going to go up and so we'll use that appreciation to lower our debt. But obviously bitcoin is very volatile. We've seen it drop significantly recently. And, you know, you could make that argument with respect to equities, Right? Equities generally go up over the long term, but we don't think it's a good idea for the government to try to deal with its debt and its deficit by buying equities. Look, we need to get our fiscal house in order. I'm all for that, but I don't see this as the way to do it.
Jen
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Timothy Massad
Well, I think also picking Cardano, XRP and Solana. Why those three? Is that because the leaders of those companies and foundations have made the biggest contributions or just have Trump's ear? All these things are highly volatile. And again, there's just no national benefit to doing this. And why should people's tax dollars go toward doing this? You know, when Trump first talked about this, he sort of was talking about it in terms of maybe holding on to the bitcoin that we seize through criminal actions. And that is at least not as bad an idea because you wouldn't actually be buying bitcoin. I'm not in favor of holding on to bitcoin, just as we, we don't hold on to any of the assets that we seize through criminal activities, criminal enforcement actions. We return them to the victims or we sell them. And I think that's what we should continue to do with, with digital assets. But at least you wouldn't be buying more of this stuff, which is really the bad idea here.
Jen
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Markets Daily Crypto Roundup: Crypto Update | Is the U.S. Crypto Reserve a 'Very Bad Idea'?
Release Date: March 3, 2025
Host: Jen, CoinDesk
Guest: Timothy Massad, Research Fellow and Director of the Digital Assets Policy Project at the Harvard Kennedy School, Former CFTC Chairman
In this episode of CoinDesk’s Markets Daily Crypto Roundup, host Jen engages in a critical discussion with Timothy Massad about the proposal to establish a U.S. strategic crypto reserve. This proposal, recently echoed by former President Donald Trump on Truth Social, suggests the inclusion of various digital assets within a national reserve to potentially address national debt concerns. Massad offers a robust analysis, expressing significant reservations about the viability and implications of such a reserve.
Jen introduces the topic by referencing President Trump’s expectation to include a variety of digital assets in a U.S. strategic crypto reserve. She poses the question to Massad, seeking his expert opinion on the matter.
Jen [00:48]: "We heard from President Trump on Truth Social that he expects to include a variety of digital assets in a US Strategic crypto reserve. Now, I know that you have thoughts on strategic bitcoin reserve and a strategic crypto reserve. What do you make of his comments?"
Massad promptly conveys his disapproval of the concept, stating unequivocally that he views the initiative as a "very bad idea." He elaborates on why the strategic reserve, particularly when expanded beyond Bitcoin to include other cryptocurrencies, lacks merit.
Timothy Massad [01:04]: "I think it was a bad idea when it was just bitcoin. It's probably even a worse idea when you're starting to add some other tokens."
Massad draws a comparison between Bitcoin and oil, highlighting the lack of intrinsic utility in cryptocurrencies that justifies a national reserve. Unlike oil, which has clear use cases and economic benefits, cryptocurrencies do not contribute to economic stability or growth in meaningful ways.
Massad [01:04]: "Look, there's no national interest here. This is not like oil, which has a use case, which is why we created the strategic reserve for oil. It doesn't help our economic situation. It's not going to do anything to lower the price of eggs or increase people's wages, and it doesn't help the dollar."
Jen references Senator Lummis’s presentation of the strategic Bitcoin reserve as a potential tool to address the United States' debt, prompting Massad to delve deeper into this rationale.
Jen [02:17]: "when the strategic Bitcoin reserve plan was presented by Senator Lummis at the Bitcoin conference last year, it was presented really as a plan to start to address the debt in the United States. It sounds like you're saying, you know, this isn't the way to tackle that."
Massad challenges the logic behind using a volatile asset like Bitcoin to manage national debt, comparing it unfavorably to government investments in equities. He underscores the inherent volatility of cryptocurrencies, making them unreliable for stabilizing fiscal measures.
Massad [02:35]: "I think the theory of that case is let's buy it because the price is going to go up and so we'll use that appreciation to lower our debt. But obviously bitcoin is very volatile. We've seen it drop significantly recently."
He emphasizes the importance of addressing fiscal issues through more stable and traditional economic policies rather than speculative investments in digital assets.
Massad [02:35]: "We need to get our fiscal house in order. I'm all for that, but I don't see this as the way to do it."
Jen probes further into Massad’s assertion that including other cryptocurrencies would exacerbate the issues associated with a crypto reserve. Massad explains that diversifying the reserve to include tokens like Cardano, XRP, and Solana introduces even more volatility and lacks clear national benefits.
Jen [04:00]: "you said Bitcoin was a bad idea. A crypto reserve with assets other than bitcoin is probably a worse idea. Talk to me a little bit more about that."
Massad [04:00]: "All these things are highly volatile. And again, there's just no national benefit to doing this. And why should people's tax dollars go toward doing this?"
Massad also raises concerns about potential governmental overreach and security vulnerabilities, such as the possibility of seizing mining operations or exposure to hacks if the government controls significant amounts of digital assets.
Massad [04:00]: "Is the government then going to be looking at seizing mining operations through imminent domain, or are we going to be more vulnerable to hacks because of this?"
Addressing the nuance between the proposed reserve and the handling of seized assets, Massad clarifies his position. He distinguishes between the government's potential purchase of additional cryptocurrencies and the existing practice of managing seized digital assets.
Massad [04:00]: "when Trump first talked about this, he sort of was talking about it in terms of maybe holding on to the bitcoin that we seize through criminal actions. And that is at least not as bad an idea because you wouldn't actually be buying bitcoin."
He advocates for the standard procedure of returning seized assets to victims or selling them, rather than expanding government holdings of cryptocurrencies.
Massad [04:00]: "We return them to the victims or we sell them. And I think that's what we should continue to do with digital assets."
Summarizing his stance, Massad reiterates the absence of national interest or economic benefits in establishing a crypto reserve. He views the proposal as politically motivated, potentially serving as a gesture towards crypto enthusiasts without substantive policy advantages.
Massad [00:00]: "I just see no national interest here."
Overall, the discussion underscores significant skepticism about the practicality and benefits of a U.S. strategic crypto reserve. Massad's insights highlight the challenges and risks associated with integrating volatile digital assets into national economic strategies, advocating for more conventional approaches to fiscal and economic policy.
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