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"Chaos, Crafting, and Consumerism," With Gina From The Shabby Creek Cottage
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Danielle
Hey, everybody. Welcome to Merchant Martinis. This is Danielle, and I have been thinking about the fact that I want to start a separate series where I talk to people who are inspiring me through all of this chaos and madness that we're going through as a country right now. And I know that so many of you are in it with me. And I've met since January some content creators who I never knew before and who have much different platforms than me are very different topics. And, you know, we're not in the same, I guess, category, but we're all kind of stepping up in our own unique ways in this fight. And so there have been a lot of them who have inspired me and also some who I was hoping would step up and who have not. But I wanted to talk to some and get their perspective from, from their little niche and their, you know, like, pocket of social media and, and real life and just ask them kind of how they're handling it all. And so today I am talking to Gina from the Shabby Creek cottage. And Gina is someone who from the very beginning, I guess before that you'll hear us talk about it, has been really loud and outspoken and helpful. And she's extremely bright, she's extremely creative. And we didn't know each other before this, so it's pretty cool. And I have so much respect for her. She's just a great person and her personality feels like a warm hug is how I could describe it. And so I asked Gina to come on the podcast and I was so happy that she said yes. If you don't already follow her on social media, you should be because she is just giving so much valuable information and she's just super freaking cute. So Gina is what she calls a general, a generational witch. She has magic in her bones. She's a DIY queen. If she can make it, she will. See, I told you we were different. I've never diyed anything in my life. She is a soft life mentor, meaning she helps women heal from chaos, which perfect timing for that. She's A writer and creator, and she recently launched a magazine that is beautiful. And she's here to make life a little more magical without the hustle, burnout, and. And guilt. And she really. It's funny because we never maybe would have met otherwise online. Right? Like, I meet a lot of relationship podcasters and content creators, a lot of family, parenting, sex and intimacy and mental health, but I don't know if we would have crossed paths otherwise. So, to me, this is sort of the one silver lining in it all is that I'm meeting people I probably wouldn't have met, and I am becoming friends with people I probably wouldn't have met. I know some of you are new to the podcast because of all of this and new to my social media because of all this, and I could not be more grateful. So there are silver linings in all of this mess. And Gina does an amazing job of finding them and staying grounded and focused and. And energetic through this. And I ask her all about that because she sure does make it look easy, even though I know it's not. So enjoy this conversation. It is politically based. I will say that right now. So I'm giving you, you know, forewarning that if you are not interested in listening to something that is political, just shut it off. Now if you are, I think you're really going to enjoy this episode. It's literally just like two girlies talking about all the shit that's happening and our place in it all, and from different perspectives, but with the same kind of goals and agenda and values and all of that. So enjoy it, guys. Hey, Gina.
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Gina
Hi, Danielle. How are you?
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Danielle
I'm good. I'm especially better because you have, like, the best, happiest face in the world. You really do. People tell you that all the time that you have, like. I mean, I know people. Most people are going to be listening to this, not watching, but if they follow you on Instagram, they know you just, like, you see your face and you're just like, okay, maybe it's gonna be okay.
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Gina
Thank you.
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Danielle
It's true.
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Gina
It's true. Yeah, I just. I don't know. I try to. I try to show up in the world the way that I want to see it. And I don't mean that from a. Like Pollyanna toxic positivity, but from a. If I want to make the world a better place, I have to show up with that better energy.
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Danielle
Yeah, and you do, man. You do. Yeah. I want to talk a little bit about. So one of the best. Well, maybe I don't Want to say one of the best, one of the only good things to come out of all of this is that I do feel like there's this new connection between a lot of us. Like, you know what I mean? I mean, I've always had friends who are content creators and everything, but, like, this feels different. It feels very much like kind of like this togetherness and this working towards a common goal and support, and it just, I don't know, I feel like I've met new people, you being one of them, and it's been really awesome. But we are sort of like, we haven't really talked. I mean, we, we kind of message back and forth on Instagram, but. So I, I, I asked you a little bit about where you grew up and everything before. So I was wondering if you could just give people a little bit of the Gina backstory.
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Gina
Yeah, sure, I can do that. I grew up in a small town in Tennessee, and I lived there until 2020. Well, really 2021. But during, you know, Covid, we just, it was, it was time for a change. I think a lot of people felt that shift and that need for a change and for something different. And we were no exceptions to that rule. My husband and I both grew up in a really small town. Well, it's not a tiny town, but like, it's a small town, you know, and then we, we decided to move to Alabama and we had moved to be closer to our kids because that's where they were living at the time. And then we did not enjoy, we lived in Huntsville. We did not enjoy living in Huntsville. And so we sold the brand new house that we had waited, you know, to build and then bought a 200 year old house and moved to another, smaller town in Alabama. But we absolutely love it here. Like, it's a really small town, but there's a lot of amazing people that live here. And we love our house and we love our land. And even though I'm a bright blue dot in a very red area, it's, it's, it is really interesting, I guess you could say, to see the dichotomy of what you expect people to be versus what they, who they really are, you know?
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Danielle
Yeah. Do you find, I mean, because to me I grew, I've been in Jersey most of my life, except for when I lived in New York City. So I am, you know, a northeast girl through and through. And I've been to the South. You know, I've been to Kentucky and obviously Florida and New Orleans and all of that, but not for extended periods of time. And so I grew up in this blue state, even though it's now, you know, shifting a little bit to purple, I have to say. But what was it like to grow up in the South? And did you, were you raised with like in a liberal family with liberal values?
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Gina
Well, it's kind of tricky. That, that's, that is a, an interesting question. I was raised, if you would have seen on the outside looking in, you would have thought my family was conservative because my mom is like the epitome of a good Christian woman. Right. I will say the caveat of my mama is a Jimmy Carter kind of Christian and not a, you know, the current.
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Danielle
Yes.
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Gina
And I always thought, like, until recently, I, I personally thought that she was conservative Christian. Like, literally it was after the election, which we had talked in, and she did vote for Kamala. And the morning after she sent me a text. And I want to cry every time I tell this story, but it is so important. I have to remember this is this little 70 something year old white woman living in the middle of nowhere in Tennessee. And I woke up that morning and she said, our girl lost. And let me tell you, it crushed me because I'm not going to get into my whole, like, the election was rigged thing. That's, that's a whole nother conversation. But I actually grew up in a really culturally diverse family. My grandmother and my grandfather had divorced and the love of my grandmother's life was a black man. And so I had, you know, Collis, who was actually was closer to call us than I was my own grandfather. And so I grew up in a very racially diverse family. And like, it was just normal to me. And like I said, I always thought my mom was conservative as well until after the election. We were talking about it one day and I was like, I just don't understand how anybody from the church, like, why does your church vote Republican? And she said, I have never in my life voted for a Republican president. And I was like, what? I thought all these years, I was like, canceling your vote out, right? Like, no. I voted for Jimmy Carter. I voted for Bill Clinton. I voted like, never has she ever voted for a Republican president. And I was like, do you think.
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Danielle
That what Purposefully kept that secret because she was worried about what, her marriage?
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Gina
Yeah, because my, my stepdad who raised me, they got married when I was two. My stepdad was. He. He wasn't very political, but he very much. She kept that from him. I'm. I'm certain of that. She definitely Kept that from him. But, I mean, I was raised in church. I was raised with. In. I mean, I grew up in the Bible Belt, so, of course, all of that stuff had an effect on me. And it is just very interesting to know that there are more liberals than you think, because a lot of them are in the closet. Like, they. They keep that part of them themselves quiet. And that's kind of heartbreaking when you think about it, right?
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Danielle
Yeah, it's totally heartbreaking. And I think about. You know, it's interesting because we all kind of thought that there was going to be this huge group of women who were going to. In the voting booth, vote for Kamala, even though, you know, that was sort of a big thought in our minds, was like, when they're away from their husbands, they will. And they didn't. Maybe some did.
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Gina
I think they did. And I think with Charlotte, they rigged it. Like, there's a lot of evidence. A lot of evidence that's coming out that's. And I'm not going to, like, take your podcast down a conspiracy theory route, but I think that's part of the. The. The thing is, votes shifted throughout the day. Like, if you go and you look up, you know, there's a lot of research on this that proves that it was tampered with. Like, the numbers were tampered with. Three.
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Danielle
I know that.
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Gina
Yeah. Nevada and now Pennsylvania. And, like, there's multiple places that are showing discrepancies. And I. I do think more women voted than their votes got counted or their votes were just discarded and they didn't count at all. So it seems. Seems like it is skewed to make us believe that women voted against our own best interest, but I don't think the vast majority did. And then it's skewed on top with. It looks like in your comment sections on social media that they skewed that way. But those are bots.
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Danielle
Totally. It's amazing.
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Gina
And so it's. It's altering reality, you know?
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Danielle
Yes. It feels very much like there's always been bots. You know, I. I mean, what year did you start? Shabby Creek Cottage.
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Gina
So I started sharing content online in 2007 under a different brand name, and then I shifted to this one in 2009.
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Danielle
Okay. Yeah. I started a different one in 2014 and then shifted to this in 2018.
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Gina
So we've both been online doing it before Instagram existed.
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Danielle
Wow. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, that's why you're so damn good at it. But the thing is that it is amazing to me. There's always been bots, and now obviously, you know, with the takeover with Zuckerberg and Musk and all of that, that it's a whole other level. But. And it's interesting because, you know, we're so afraid to sound like. To sound like conspiracy theorists when we talk about things, because it's was established that way that they did this whole election stealing thing, and it was sort of theirs. And now if you speak out in any other way, in the opposite direction, and this isn't something that I've looked into a lot. Look, I know that I live right on the border of Pennsylvania, and my family was all very, very involved in canvassing in Pennsylvania. My nephew was the head of Kamala's office in Bucks County. Like, we were very. I mean. And now when I tell you that there were thousands of Kamala volunteers on the ground every single day in Pennsylvania, and the numbers, you know, what they showed about voting and everything, and not one Trump volunteer on the ground. Cause that's just. They have no ground game. And so obviously there was this shock, you know, and also, look, the fire alarms that were going off in Pennsylvania and only in purple areas. Look, I've heard it all. And it's. And it's so hard because, like, I almost don't even want to go there because I'm already so enraged that it's sort of like. And at this point, you know, the Democrats have obviously completely ignored any of that. Whether, look, whether it's true or not, they're not even putting any energy into it.
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Gina
Okay, I understand that. And yes, I'm angry. And I have to remind myself that the idea of, well, they voted for this. They didn't vote for this. They stole the election. Okay, I'm just gonna say the hard part out loud. What I do get frustrated with, though, is in her book, Kamala explains just like she knows how election interference happened because she was on the committee as a senator. She says it in her book. She talks about it. But then they didn't fight for clarifications, for recounts, for. They didn't do any of that. They just, like, rolled over and played dead. And I'm not gonna lie, that kind of. I. I fully expected, like, an investigation to come out or something. Nothing ever surfaced. And they know how they did it. He's admitted point blank how they did it. I mean, he said the night before inauguration that Elon Newton, those machines so well. And like, he said things like, you don't have to vote for us. Other people around them, in their, their camp have also said similar things. So while, yes, it does kind of sound like, you know, you're in that Belulu land, as they call it, I don't care to be in that land because I think now that, I mean, Republicans aren't even doing town halls because they're basically getting so much anger thrown at them that they don't feel safe. So if that doesn't tell you that the majority of their constituents don't want this, like, yeah, the math doesn't matter. I've been studying in politics a long time. I started like when I was in high school. I was senior in high school when Bill Clinton was running for his first term and like studied political science in, in university and have worked on campaigns. I have been active in political work for, oh my gosh, 20 years now. When I tell you the math doesn't math, it does not math. And if it were a free and fair election, she would have won by a landslide.
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Danielle
Yeah, there's, you know, you can't, you almost can't wrap your head around it all. Like all the injustices involved in it and all of the, everything from, look, from the fact that Musk was able to donate $280 million or however much it was, and now he's in the White House. All of the levels of, you know what the fuck it's like, it's a constant state of enragement.
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Gina
Well, he's around and finding out though, isn't he? Because he was up to like $400 billion of net worth and he was on track to be the first trillionaire and now he has lost 2 3rd of his wealth. Because they forget that liberals are the people with the purse strings in this country. They forget that the average person, women control 85% of economic spending of daytoday, like consumer driven spending. Right? And liberal people have more money, we're more educated, and so we have more disposable income and therefore we have larger control of the 85%. And there he built his brand on, like, Tesla was built on, like, wanting to make changes for the environment. And, like, he marketed to liberals. And now you're, like, going against everything we believe in. He's finding out, like, I mean, I've even seen. I don't know it's. If it's true, but I've even seen content saying that he was, like, crying in the Oval Office because you're going so bad. And I'm like.
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Danielle
Which was why they did the commercial outside the.
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Gina
Which is a violation of the Hatch Act. Can we just.
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Danielle
You know, every day is a violation. And you finally say to yourself, what's it going to take? You know, what is it going to take? And. And that's. That's the hard part. And, yeah, I. I interviewed my mom for. My mom is 80, and I interviewed for her for the podcast the other day, and she. I grew up in a very liberal political household. And, you know, so for her right now to watch all of this is. And she's. She's old. She's sort of like, I can't go out there and protest. I can't go out there and do all of these things. But to watch it all go backwards. As someone who, you know, she remembers Roe v. Wade, and then she remembers when the pill came out, and she. All of these things that. And it's just like it's getting erased. And I asked her, you know, how do you feel like you've ever seen anything like this in your lifetime? And she said, absolutely not. And, you know, I said, what is your hope for the future? And she said, my. Honestly, my hope is that my grandkids live in a democracy. And, you know, and to hear her say that for me, you know, was that when I was a kid, she would have been like, oh, it's gonna be fine. You know, we'll be fine. And now, you know, I'm 47. And she's sort of like, look, I'm gonna tell you, shit's not going well. But. But. But she also has the hope of. When you look throughout history and you see that, in the end, you know, people do wake up, but it is a very scary time. And it does feel very much like the bad guys just keep winning and winning and winning and winning.
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Gina
I don't think they're winning. I think they're throwing a lot of stuff at the wall and they keep having to, like, backtrack. Right. Are they making a lot of chaos? Absolutely. But, like, they keep running up against court order after court order. And right now we're in a time of, are they going to uphold those court orders? Are they going to listen to the courts? Because I don't know if they are anymore, like, fighting that out. And some of it they do, but some of it they don't. And so you know that I'm a witch. So I'm going to talk about this energetically for a second, because what is that tipping point of when. When is it going to all crumble and fall apart for them? Right? And so on an energetic standpoint, or from an energetic standpoint, love is always stronger than hate, right? Always. Always, always. Like, even if you look at, like, the vibrational scale, all those things like, love is stronger than hate, we just know this, right? Well, the problem has been that he has this, like, people are enamored by him, and they. He has had this, like, massive fan base that put him on this pedestal and just absolutely love him for so long. That's why it's been hard to, like, take him down to where he's no longer a threat. The problem becomes, as he begins to hurt more and more and more people, more and more of those people, their love for him is going to dissipate. And as that goes down, the people who are rising against him, and I wouldn't say hate, but are against him and don't share that, it will come back down. But it's almost like imagine every person that loves him is the weight of a gold brick, and every person that dislikes him is the weight of a feather. So eventually it's going to. The. The scales will tip back to where he won't have the power and the chokehold that he does over, you know, our population anymore. But unfortunately, it is going to take a lot of people losing a lot of things before they get to that point. And it's already starting to happen. We are. We're already starting to see this, which is why the Republic won't do town halls anymore. And we see that when those same areas are getting visits from, like, Bernie Sanders and AOC and Tim Walls, like, they're getting really great receptions because these people are actually listening to them and they think that they have their best interest at heart. And I believe those three in particular do. Like, I'm not even certain of all Democrats, because Chuck Schumer.
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Danielle
So many disappointments. So many.
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Gina
But like the Jasmine Crockett and the AOC and the Bernie Sanders and the Tim Walls of it all. Yeah, those are the folks that I do believe in.
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Danielle
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that you have to hold out hope. And look, I think even looking in certain other places and seeing people who aren't politicians who are stepping up, you know, like you. You've been this force. And I feel like I. I followed. You follow Jack Schlossberg. Yeah, he's been such.
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Gina
I mean, I love jfk, so of course I'm like Jack, but.
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Danielle
Yeah, me too. But, I mean, but. But listen, he could be on his. You know, look at his uncle. So, yeah, he could be, but he's just become this sort of outspoken, sort of. You know, he. And he invested all of this in Tesla, just assured it. And he is just, you know, just these people who are really showing that they have a lot of, as my mom would say, but, like, they have a lot of guts and, you know, and they have no political motivations. So it really is authentic. And you feel it from the sense of, you know, when. Look, when 10 Democrats vote against, you know, the CRM, I'm sorry, for the bill, your first thought goes to, okay, who's. Who told them that? Who told them to do that? Was it Schumer's publisher? Was it there? There's all of these other things that you sort of are like, I don't know who. Who's pulling their strings.
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Gina
I don't know, but I hope every single one of them get primary abs.
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Danielle
And I think they will. But. But with these other people, it's. You feel this, that you can trust them. There's an authenticity. They have no skin in the game other than their humanity and other than what they want for everyone and their kids and their grandkids, right?
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Gina
Oh, yeah.
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Danielle
There's this divide between, like, I think there are a lot of rising public figures who are. Who have never been political. Not nearly as many as I would like, but there are some coming out of the woodwork, and that has been great. Talk to me a little bit about when you say you're a witch, and I know your whole. Your platform and everything did not start out as I'm as political as it is now.
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Gina
It did not. I mean, I've always been somewhat political. I've always been liberal. Like I said, I started with Bill Clinton back in, you know, the 90s. So I've always been liberal, and I've always been honest about that. It's never that I tried to hide it. I just didn't make it a divisive tactic. Even when Hillary ran, I was very, very loud, and I was very vocal about how I stood and how opposed I was to Trump, I. I have always been very loudly liberal. I mean, my hair has been blue for over a decade for a reason. Like, it is my favorite color. But also it's really easy to pick out the blue haired girl. Right. And once again, I live in Alabama, so that is a statement in public. I didn't intend on it and. But honestly, I always go back to the Spider man quote. With great power comes great responsibility. And I. My grandmother, because you were asking about the witch. Witchiness, which also was not a part of my brand until the last few years. My grandmother was a healer. And like, Appalachian witches are their own brand, right? Like, it's. It is very much its own entity. And that's. That's kind of what I am. I don't, I don't see myself as. Because there's this whole, like, perception that witchcraft is about darkness and it's about evil, and that is not what it looks like in my life. Like, no, thank you. I want to focus on doing good in the world. The only thing I'm going to hex is the patriarchy, and I'm working real hard to do that.
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Danielle
We appreciate it.
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Gina
I'm trying, man. I. I'm all about focusing on the good, because whatever you focus on expands and. Yeah, I don't think I answered your question, but I, I just got to a point to where, like I said with the Spider man thing, with great power comes great responsibility. I started this brand. I didn't even start a brand. Can we just start there? I didn't start a brand. I started a blog to be like a digital scrapbook because, like I said, I had had a blog for like two years and nobody ever read it except, like, my mom and my sister. And so when we bought my childhood home for my parents and started remodeling it, I started another. A new blog, which became the Shabby Creek Cottage as like a digital scrapbook for my own kids. Right? For my own children to be able to look back one day and see the changes that we made because we were all doing the projects together. It was like a family affair, right? And then people started reading, and within a year, I had quit my day job. It was insane. And back then, like, you didn't go viral on Facebook. You didn't. You, you. That just didn't happen. It wasn't a thing. It was before Pinterest. It was before Instagram. It was before Tick Tock. It was before any of those platforms existed. So, yeah, it, it was crazy. But I started it and I had a lot of trauma at the time. And as I healed my trauma and as I was able to unmask and really just show up as who I am instead of who I thought people wanted me to, that's kind of how I ended up here. Now, I didn't lean into politics. I did use my platform to promote Kamala and to. To uplift her and to give more visibility to her campaign, because I believe so strongly in it. However, afterwards, I didn't intend on using my platform to be an activist and to be loud about politics. And in particular, I used it in the days afterwards to make people feel safe and loved and heard and to. Basically, I tried to use it as like, a shoulder or as a hug for my community that I love so dearly. Like, when I tell you I talk to thousands of people every week in my DMs, I do, because it's like, I treat my social media, and it's not just like, I pretend like it is one massive text thread with me and a whole bunch of my besties. Like, that's how I see my social media. It's not that I just treat it that way. It's that literally some of my best friends in real life, I met through Instagram. You know what I mean? Like, even my very best friend on earth, who doesn't, who lives like 20 minutes away, I met her through Instagram, you know, so when I tell you that, like, I treat Instagram like it's my friend group, it is my friend group. I talk to Instagram more than I talk to anybody else. So I just. In the days after the election, I used it as a place to, like, basically console my friends and to be, like, to be a calming voice and to be a support system. And then I started getting angry. I started telling the Trump voters to get the off my page, and they got mad. Some of them are still mad. Some of them are still sending me nasty emails, and I don't care.
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Danielle
One day, that would be fun.
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Gina
Do what?
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Danielle
We could compare messaging.
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Gina
Oh, yeah, I got a doozy yesterday, which they go back and, like, reply to an old email. Like, she made it seem like I had emailed her that day. No, it was, like, months before. It was at least two months.
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Danielle
And you won. You won. Go.
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Gina
Why are you.
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Danielle
Why are you still here? Go. You're supposed to be happy doing your own thing. Please just go. I don't think any of us hung out on Trump pages when Biden was in office. We were like, I'm just going to enjoy this time while I don't have. I can sleep and I can breathe.
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Gina
I have to wake up wondering what's. That's right for democracy today. Right?
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Danielle
Yes.
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Gina
Yeah. But like I said, I didn't intend on it, and then I would. I just started casually sharing that we were preparing for 100 day boycott. I was boycotting Trump's economy. I know, because I have a history degree, that the first 100 days of a presidency is very important.
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Danielle
Yep.
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Gina
And I just told my husband, I was like, I want to, I want to stock up and I, I do not want to contribute to his economy for the first 100 days. And so I, I, I want to get stocked up and like, basically opt out for a hundred days. Right.
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Danielle
And he said 100 days, that's what, three. Over three months.
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Gina
Yeah, three months. So, I mean, we will, we still buy, like, fresh fruits and vegetables right now. Although we're gardening. I did yesterday. I had to buy some plants for my garden. But, like, other than essentials, like, not shopping for recreational.
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Danielle
Right.
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Gina
Like, like barenesses, bare essentials, bare necessities. And then what we need for homesteading is basically that's the only thing we buy. And then a lot of that, we buy second hand. So, like our tools and our equipment and a lot of that stuff, we buy second hand. So I just casually mentioned it in my Instagram stories. And then people started asking, and then I did a video, and then more people started asking, and then more people started asking, and then boycotts started because brands were dropping dei. And so I started talking about the brands that I was boycotting because Target, Target is the, the, basically the straw that broke the camel's back for me, because that was going to be the shop where I did my shopping during that hundred days. Like, that's where I was gonna go buy my groceries. That's where I was gonna go buy my necessities. And when they did that, I was like, oh, hell no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
- [38:46]
Danielle
About Target that I was reading about that, you know, everyone says they dropped their, their shareholders were angry because they dropped their dei. Well, it turns out the shareholders never wanted them to get involved in DEI in the first place. So when they started bringing their LGBTQ plus merchandise and everything into the store and hiring all these brands and everything, their shareholders were. But they were seeing positive effects from it. So they, you know, and Target was making more money, but so it wasn't that they never wanted it in the first place.
- [39:24]
Gina
Oh, I didn't know that.
- [39:28]
Danielle
Yes. And so basically, Target was Just kind of not, not going against them, but giving in more to what they've always wanted. And I guess now they're seeing that, you know, because for a long time, look, Target was already, they had faced that whole backlash last year or two years ago when, you know, all the right wing influencers were coming in and basically like, you know, showing that they're, they're promoting all this, you know, pro LGBTQ stuff and they were getting a lot of backlash and everything. And the shareholders were angry back then too that they, they were getting this backlash because we told you not to do this in the first place. And so Target was putting them already more, a little bit less towards the front of the store. Yeah, I guess depending where you were in the country, more towards the back of the store, you know, like that kind of stuff. So.
- [40:23]
Gina
Yeah. Yeah, well, it was, that was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back for me. And then I started talking about the, like making lists of the brands I was going to boycott and it just kind of snowballed from there. It has been a crazy month, let me tell you. It truly has. It's.
- [40:42]
Danielle
Yeah, you have. Your content is so helpful and so amazing and so well articulated and thought out and delivered, which is really incredible, especially in the midst of all this chaos. The way that you're able to break it down into these sort of bite sized people pieces is so wonderfully helpful and I think so appreciated by so many people. Are you feeling like you're having. For me, like I am having trouble some days, you know, and on top of that, right now I still kind of have, you know, these. One of my kids is in college, but I still have two kids at home and I still, you know, we just had a sick dog who passed and like all the other stuff that is on top of it that sometimes I wake up and I'm like, I don't know if I can be funny today. I don't know if I can be creative today. And I know so many of us are feeling like that. So are you, you know, how are you finding the, the energy and the motivation to keep going?
- [41:51]
Gina
I mean, some days I succumb to doom scrolling just like everybody else, but I found that the less I scroll, the easier it is for me to stay in joy and to stay creative and to stay working towards the better future that I want to create. That's why, that's why we are homesteading. That's which we had bought this house with the intention of being able to do an urban Homestead before it all fell apart. Right. Like we bought it in 2023.
- [42:25]
Danielle
So urban homestead.
- [42:27]
Gina
We live in a little acre lot in a tiny town. Right. We live in the middle of town. So technically that's urban homesteading. Where regular traditional homesteading is usually think like country life and they have 10 acres and like, no, I have one acre, more than half of which is taken up by house and woods. So I have very little spot basically. I mean, not little, but I probably have, I would say maybe a quarter of an acre that I could portion out. And it's not all in one big spot where I could just have one massive garden. Like I have to put it in little spots here and there scattered all over my property so that we can grow our own food for the most part and be as self sufficient as possible. Eventually, hopefully we'll even lean into like solar power and we will get more and more sustainable as we go on. That's the goal anyway. I don't know if it's going to be possible, but we're trying. And like when I think about those changes, because that's the changes that a lot of people are going to have to make. Like my grandparents were farmers, my great grandparents were farmers, my great great grandparents were farmers. And so everybody, up until like the 1970s, I would think even into the 80s, almost everybody I knew had a garden in their backyard. And with COVID it kind of made a resurgence, but then it got abandoned again because we're so busy. I think I got off topic again.
- [44:12]
Danielle
Oh, I was just asking about urban, Urban homesteading.
- [44:15]
Gina
Yeah, but it just means like I, I don't have like cows and I don't even have chickens, but we're growing as much food as we can on our own so that we are more self sufficient. Because I predict that there will be a huge disruption in the food chain between farmers and labor and the economy. And it's, it's just, and tariffs and it is, it, it's going to be what we all need, you know.
- [44:54]
Danielle
Yeah, yeah, the, yeah, you look at what's happening in like Serbia right now and you know what, they had a third of their entire population coming out to protest. I mean they only have something like 7 million people, but you know, it's growing, it's getting there and it's, it's. I'm hoping that more will, you know, speak up because at some point I wonder with all of these people who are acting like it's business as usual, I'm sort of like, well, at what point are you going. Are people going to be like, well, first of all, their entire platforms and everything are just going to be all Trump supporters.
- [45:33]
Gina
Right.
- [45:33]
Danielle
Because, you know, that's who's going to, you know, because they're leaving us and going somewhere that they're not going to be, you know, they're not going to have to face the music. So other than that, though, at what point is it sort of like, I don't know, is it really relatable and relevant anymore? You know, not. And look, we all have to laugh and we all have to find joy and we all have to, you know, like, find our are places of escape and everything. Right. We need all of that. But there's also a balance. I think that, you know, that that needs to happen, that a lot of content creators, public figures, everyone is just kind of choosing to opt out of and, you know, feeling like that's just the safer way to go.
- [46:26]
Gina
Isn't that baffling? I get so frustrated when I scroll and I don't see any. Hardly anybody. You either see people who. And there are some accounts that I love that are trying to, like, basically inform us of the madness, but I know that they're doing it in a way that's most profitable. Like, as content creators, we know that when you start a video, when you start almost every video with breaking news.
- [46:57]
Danielle
Yeah.
- [46:58]
Gina
You know that that is to feed the algorithm. Like, there is a fine line between being helpful and like, tapping into that. You know what I mean?
- [47:11]
Danielle
Yeah.
- [47:12]
Gina
And it is really frustrating when you only see a tiny percentage of the content creators that you follow that, you know, that you've, you know, gromed alike over time. They're not addressing the real questions that people have. You know, they're not even having the conversation. They're or, or the ones that really. I've said this time and time again, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna say it one more time. If you don't know what side of the fence somebody is on, you know what side of the fence. If they're.
- [47:50]
Danielle
I agree completely.
- [47:52]
Gina
Because if there is one Nazi sitting at a table, what is that saying? One Nazi sitting at a table with 10 or with nine other people? If nobody stands up, there's 10 Nazis sitting at the table.
- [48:03]
Danielle
Right, Right.
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- [49:13]
Danielle
Yes, and they so frustrating too, because I'll see people comment on the, you know, people I know or people who are politically active and everything, comment on some of those platforms. And I'm sort of like, I want. You need to know who they are. You know, like, why aren't you picking up on this? But I guess, you know, I. It's a. It's a hard balance because people do want to escape and they do want to have time. You know, they'll say, like, I go other places for politics or I this or I that or I come here to be entertained, which, like, do you fucking pay me? Number one? No, you do not. And number two, like, don't tell me what to do with my platform. But also, I think they're sort of like, okay, I'm not. I'm coming here to get away from it all. And then, you know, so I think there are people who are frustrated that. But at the same time, it's sort of like, what else?
- [50:08]
Gina
Get away from it. You need to get off the Internet.
- [50:11]
Danielle
Right? Right. Yeah, yeah.
- [50:14]
Gina
Because, like, honestly, if you want to escape it, you need to get offline. You need to go work in your garden or work on some art or outside, declutter your house, go outside, go take a walk, get in the sun, go touch some grass.
- [50:29]
Danielle
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.
- [50:32]
Gina
That's how you get away from it.
- [50:33]
Danielle
Yeah. So how are you keeping balanced? Are you. Because you said in one of your videos you were sort of like, you know, a lot of people are asking me about my crafting and when I'm coming back to it, and you were sort of like, I don't know, honestly, where are you at? Because you're such a creative person and you, you know, and you are doing a lot of creative things. Don't get me wrong.
- [50:56]
Gina
Oh, I am. And Honestly, like, I did not intend for. Because, you know, I created a magazine that launched in January and it's. I didn't intend for that magazine to become that outlet for me, but it totally has because I just wanted to create a magazine that I would want to go and buy that I wish I had full of all kinds of things and not just one specific thing, but also that was not saturated with Christianity and shame. And no, I don't want any of that. So I decided to create the magazine that I would want to see. And for. It's funny that you mentioned, like, to those people who are arguing with you about what you're talking about or like, are they paying you? I have lost paid members of my community because I have like a membership community. Right. I've lost many members there and literally I would be like, okay, bye. Like, you're just weeding yourself out and create. Making my spaces safer. Yeah, that's what they're doing when they eliminate themselves from those platforms. Even if you're paying me, you still don't have the right because like, you paying me does not give you the right to tell me what to create or not to create. Right, Right. So I have found though that I've. My magazine is the escape. It is the escape that I need, but it's also the escape that I create for other people because it. You can get it in either like digital or physical copies. And it is that little glimmer of beauty and magic and joy that I find in my day to day world. Because that's. I mean, the things that you see in the magazine are the things that I'm doing like in my real life. Right. So, like the April issue has a huge article about Sourdough, like getting started and making it and all that good stuff. The magic of Sourdough. And it's because, like I do Sourdough, I find joy in it. I find creativity in it. I find. I just, I gain so much out of it. And I think that those things are important. Like we have to have those, whether it's through a magazine or through taking the action or whatever. Like, we need inspiration, we need joy, we need beauty, we need creativity. But also we need to stay informed and we need to fight back and we need to be resilient and we need. But we have to have the joy and the creativity to sustain us and fuel us for the resistance.
- [54:06]
Danielle
Yeah, yeah. Are you worried at all that there's going to come a point? Because my, my. I just. All I think about sometimes is Zuckerberg is in charge of this now. Meta, you know, and. And are you concerned that there's going to come a point? No. You're not?
- [54:22]
Gina
Nope. Because I have an email list and I have my own website.
- [54:25]
Danielle
Sure.
- [54:25]
Gina
And I promote my email list every day. It is growing by thousands a week now. I have always had an email list. I've had an email list for over 10 years. I have pulled it many, many, many, many, many times over the years to where if you don't open it for a certain amount of time, like, I will delete you from my list. Because I have to pay for that list. Right. Like I have to pay for use it. And I. If it all went away. Here's the thing about social media. It doesn't matter what the platform is. If you put your attention there and you know what you're doing, you can build on any platform. I've done it with every platform I've ever been a part of. If I put my energy there consistently for six months, I can hit a hundred thousand on any platform if I make it my focus for six months. So if I went to Blue sky, for instance, if I made it my consistent focus for six months, I would easily be at a hundred thousand people. Because when you know how to get people's attention and you are being useful and you are actually contributing to the platform and not just consuming or trying to manipulate, you will grow. It doesn't matter. The platform.
- [55:50]
Danielle
Yeah, it's so true. And I think that also you are. When. When you build that community and keep in touch with people and through your DMS and everything, and you do form those relationships. It doesn't matter. The platform. No, definitely not. Yeah. I mean, I. There are all these videos and everything on reels about, you know, FBI agents coming to people's houses because they posted something anti Trump or. There's a lot of that happening, too. And I think that there are people who are fearful of that also right now and speaking out and. But, you know, there's. The more of us there are, and there are becoming more and more, you know, it's sort of like, okay, you know, we are all kind of in it together, which is a really good feeling amidst sort of a lot of uncertainty.
- [56:48]
Gina
I mean, my husband and I literally had a conversation like the night before inauguration. We went to dinner and we sat down and I told him. I was like, listen, as a girl with a bachelor's degree in history, I know what's about to go down. And, you know, it's about to go down because I've been preaching this for, like, five years already. There will come a point in time where we have to choose between doing what is safe and doing what is right. I'm not going to tell you which to choose. I'm not going to fault you for whichever one you want to choose. But we have to individually make the decision and agree upon it now between doing what is safe and doing what is right. And I will choose to do what is right every single time. And he said, same, the same. I'm not going to back down. And we will choose to do what is right.
- [57:50]
Danielle
Yeah.
- [57:51]
Gina
We literally had, like, a solid discussion about it because I knew that was the gamble that I was taking going in. You know, do I do what is safe or do I do what is right?
- [58:07]
Danielle
Yeah. And I think that, you know, it's the. It's the. It's like, you know, the poem they came for, you know, this group. This group and whatever. And it is true that you. At some point, you know, I even look at people who are like, even one issue, they only talk about one issue. Right. Like, there are people in my life who have chosen this one issue, and that's what they vote on, and that's it and everything like that. And then they're sort of like, well, why isn't anybody supporting our issue? And I'm sort of like, but who else are you supporting? You're not supporting anybody else. Why are they going to come and support you? You know? And like, that's what act. That's not activism. That's narcissism. Like, that's, you know, that's putting yourself at the center of everything. And I think that that is one thing that is sort of. I don't know if refreshing is the right word, but we're at a point right now where people are looking out for everyone, and they're sort of like, you know, we just want these rights for everyone. And before, it wasn't as big of a. People didn't. I don't think maybe, you know, they were pro lgbtq, but they didn't feel the need to speak out for the trans community or they were more quiet about the trans community. I think now there's this collective. Oh, no, you come for one, you come for all. And I think that that is something that, like, you said, needed to happen. Right. Like, even those of us. I did an episode recently where I talked about, you know, growing up in the time of. It seemed like everything was so much better. Hands Across America and Live Aid and Farm Aid and Everybody was doing all these things, and yet if you walked into an inner city, it was like they didn't exist. It was like everyone had forgotten them. So really, it was. We had blinders on, you know, and at least now the blinders are off. At least now it's. Oh, shit.
- [60:16]
Gina
I think the blinders are starting to come off. There are a lot of blinders left, and there are so many layers of the blinders that people have no idea how many layers that there are.
- [60:29]
Danielle
Yeah, it is. It is true. It is true. And look, you see that with, you know, what Newsom is doing with having, you know, Kirk on his platform, Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon and everything. And it's sort of like, okay, I'll give you the issue of trans athletes that I'll. You know, I'm going to give you that because it's not that big of an issue. And so, fine, I'll give in and say that it's unfair if that's gonna. That's not bringing anybody closer towards. And so now you're going to start to. To. To pick away at your values, to try to meet in the middle. They're not meeting in the middle. Nobody.
- [61:07]
Gina
No, they're not meeting in the middle. And here's the thing that is such a ton. Tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of what goes on in this country that, like, it shouldn't even be a discussion.
- [61:24]
Danielle
Oh, it's a distraction.
- [61:26]
Gina
Yeah, it is a distraction. Almost everything is a distraction. And that's why. Which. This is not my book, but I want to ask you if you've read this book.
- [61:34]
Danielle
Oh.
- [61:34]
Gina
Because it is beside me Manufacturing Consent by Gnome Chops. You. Have you read this book?
- [61:39]
Danielle
No.
- [61:41]
Gina
Read this book. I tell everybody I know to read this book if you don't want to read the book, because it is big. It is dry. It is. It is. I mean, he was an MIT professor, right? Like, I first read it in college, so it's. It's. It's a chunky book. But there is also a documentary on YouTube that's like two and a half hours long, and it goes through and it explains it pretty well. It's is a documentary about Noam Chomsky and the book and the work that he does for it. And it explains a whole lot. It doesn't go as into detail as the book does. But that book would explain to you why there are so many blinders and why they use chaos and distraction so much.
- [62:30]
Danielle
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, the chaos that he's creating is obviously, he's just Trying to, you know, flood the system and you know, I don't know how he has, I mean, I don't know what kind of what he's on, but I don't know how Trump himself has the energy fraud. I just don't know how he wakes up and, and is able to wreak so much havoc.
- [62:48]
Gina
So every single day he's not really the one. He doesn't come up with all those ideas on his own. He's being fed. Right. He's being spoon fed. What to talk about now, some of this tariffs and stuff, he triggers that himself because he gets, I mean, somebody within his own cabinet the other day was talking about. It's because of his ego that, that he keeps doing that. But a lot of the policies and stuff that he's attacking and going after, it's not his own agenda. Sure it is. It, it's the folks between the Heritage foundation, which. This is the witch inside of me. It's trying to bolster the church. This is why they want like stuff in the classroom and all that good stuff, because it goes back to the church is failing. And the entire reason the church was founded in the beginning was to control society. So when they lose control with the church, they lose control of society. And so those people who have been in power for all these years are going to lose it because the church has upheld it for so long. People aren't going to church. Like, I think my mama is the only person I know left that goes to church. And like, she doesn't even agree with most of what's going on in her church anymore. You know, the churches are suffering and they're so, they're now they're trying to like force people back into church through owning the government. Yeah, it's so corrupt. It is so corrupt.
- [64:33]
Danielle
Yeah.
- [64:34]
Gina
But yeah, they're the ones.
- [64:36]
Danielle
And also the, you know, that for them to hold on to power, just these, these men, you know, that the, the, the normalizing of, you know, bringing the Tate brothers back and everything and, and, and outright in our face, as if we're just supposed to accept it. The just the normalization of, of, of everything is, is you. They don't even, they're not even.
- [65:02]
Gina
Hi.
- [65:02]
Danielle
You know, they're not even hiding it anymore.
- [65:04]
Gina
It's because it's the extinction version of the patriarchy. That primal death SC Death scream, that death cry that, that, you know, is characterized from like the dinosaurs that let out their last big screen. Yeah, that's what they're doing. That's why it's so frenzied right now because it is a bubble that is about to burst. And when it does, nobody knows. But when it does, like, it's gonna be. It. It's gonna be interesting.
- [65:37]
Danielle
Yeah, I know. I. I'm so. You know, it's like feeling like you're in the middle of a movie and. And you're like, how the. Is this gonna get figured out and ends? Like, how are they gonna end this? You know, And. And it's sort of like you keep waiting for the Avengers, you know, to just like, come in and. And fix it all and it's not happening. And so you're really like. It really is like being in the middle of a really bad fucking horror film where no one seems to be able to escape.
- [66:08]
Gina
I think it's like watching the Walking Dead. It's very much like watching the Walking Dead. We're in season one of the the American Dead, and I think you can. I think the Walking Dead is going to be a pretty strong parallel to what happens over the next eight years.
- [66:28]
Danielle
I'm going to be honest, I never watched the Walking Dead.
- [66:31]
Gina
Oh, it's really good.
- [66:33]
Danielle
You know what? It's so funny because I couldn't watch the Walking Dead because I really am afraid of zombies. But I watched the Last of Us and loved it.
- [66:43]
Gina
I love the Last of Us. I haven't watched it all. I need to go back. We were moving into this house when that series, like the week we moved was the week we stopped watching. We just never picked it back up. I need to go back and finish watching it. I probably need to start from the beginning, but I think of the Walking Dead a lot. I reference it quite a bit because I think the. The, like, big Trumpers, the MAGA people, I think of them as the walkers. They're the zombies. They have no soul. They have. And that might sound harsh of me, but if you are casting aside everything that we find dear as Americans, as far as our Constitution and our, you know, our republic, the constitutional republic and, and the democracy that we hold, if you don't uphold those things for everyone, I don't think you have a soul.
- [67:43]
Danielle
Yeah, see, and the hardest part is I don't think a lot of them. A lot of them know and don't care. I think some of them honestly don't think they are. They don't think that they are. I mean, you know, I think just a lot of them don't understand the Constitution and don't understand a lot of history. Look, Trump himself, if you're around people who. Who know him. They say he's never touched a book in his life.
- [68:06]
Gina
Can't read. I know, I. Davidson said that, but he can't read.
- [68:11]
Danielle
But he reads the teleprompter.
- [68:13]
Gina
No, he doesn't. That's why he gets off base.
- [68:16]
Danielle
Okay.
- [68:17]
Gina
He rambles. He cannot read it. I know.
- [68:19]
Danielle
I keep hearing he doesn't read, but I'm sort of like, how the. Did he went to, like, the Wharton School of Business. How do you get.
- [68:25]
Gina
Because when you have that much money, you don't have to study.
- [68:27]
Danielle
I really want. I want them to. I would love them to live stream him reading a book, because I want to know.
- [68:35]
Gina
I mean, King Charles tried to trap him into doing that by sending him a letter that he had to read out loud, and he wouldn't read it because he can't read.
- [68:45]
Danielle
Oh, is that what he did? Because I was pissed at Charles for inviting him to the. Did he. Did he wind up rescinding that offer?
- [68:52]
Gina
I don't remember. I don't remember. But he was baiting him. I don't even like Charles, but.
- [68:57]
Danielle
Oh, no. I mean, it has nothing.
- [68:58]
Gina
Oh, that was a pretty cool move. I'm not.
- [69:00]
Danielle
I don't want to. Look, the royal family. I could give a.
- [69:03]
Gina
That's a whole nother thing. Yeah.
- [69:04]
Danielle
A whole other thing and whatever and fine. But. But I was sort of like, how could you invite him to like you?
- [69:12]
Gina
Really?
- [69:12]
Danielle
Even. I mean, even to just be associated with him in a, you know, in a. In a sense of class and, you know, and the kind of lifestyle that they uphold, and he is so classless and so, you know, tactless and all of the things that the royal family, quote, unquote, pretends to be, to let him in and. And act as if he's a part of it.
- [69:41]
Gina
Yeah, No, I don't. I don't think so. He. He did that to set Trump up.
- [69:49]
Danielle
I think I'm gonna tell my mom that. She's. She's.
- [69:53]
Gina
I'm pretty sure. Like, I. Yeah, because he wanted it read on video. Right. And he wouldn't read it. He can't. This is what I'm telling you. All this stuff, he doesn't care one way or the other. Yeah, he doesn't. He just. He's a. A sociopath and he. All attention is good attention to him.
- [70:20]
Danielle
And he wants to. He wants to be the center of the news cycle. That's basically what it boils down. So he wants to be the center of the news cycle and the most relevant Topic, no matter in what way he is portrayed. Just.
- [70:39]
Gina
That's okay. I just. He can't have long left. He just can't.
- [70:47]
Danielle
No, I know.
- [70:48]
Gina
I mean, can't have long left.
- [70:49]
Danielle
And you think Vance Johnson.
- [70:52]
Gina
No. So Vance doesn't have the charisma like Trumpers. Don't really like Vance. A lot of times cults, which. I'm not an expert in cults, but I do know this because. Well, I grew up Southern Baptist. My husband grew up Mormon. And here's what I do know about cults. Cults are either centered around a person like they are for the MAGA people, or an idea like Mormonism. Right. And so when it is centered around a person, when that person passes away or that person gets removed, the cult falls apart because it can't transfer. You cannot transfer that power to another person. I don't even think it would transfer to like Don Jr. Or whatever because he's not even popular. Right. The ideas behind it are not strong enough. It is the person. It is him. Because he enrages the hate within them. He enables that. He encourages that. When they don't have that anymore, it will quickly fall apart. Yeah, very quickly.
- [72:06]
Danielle
Well. And he keeps a lot of people with no purpose highly entertained and high and feeling like they have a sense of purpose. You know this.
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Gina
They belong to something. Yeah. That's why they all wear the red hats. Yeah, they belong to something.
- [72:23]
Danielle
Yeah, I know, I know. I say, I wish they'd all wear the damn red hats. So we could just know.
- [72:30]
Gina
Oh, they do down here.
- [72:32]
Danielle
Oh, not where I live. Where I live, it's not. They're very quiet about. Mostly about voting for him. Yeah. They're not. They're not outspoken about it. So tell me what, like, what's next? What do you. What do you have going on? Like, you have your. I know the magazine is big and everything. Are you like.
- [72:56]
Gina
So I just signed with a literary agent last week.
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Danielle
That's amazing.
- [73:01]
Gina
And thanks. And we have a meeting with a publisher that also reached out to me this week. So. In the Future is a book. There's talks about more than a book. I don't know. But I do know that I signed with a really great literary agent who's like, perfect for me.
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Danielle
Oh, I love that.
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Gina
So, like, could not have found a better aligned agent. So. Yeah, that's. That's what's coming eventually is. Is a book and other things. Hopefully. Right now I'm just focused on being as loud and taking up as much space as possible and encouraging women to do that too.
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Danielle
Yeah, for sure. Okay, so tell everyone. I mean, they probably already know this, but where to find you, where to find your magazine, where you, you know, all the, all the places. And we'll put them, obviously in our, you know, in our show notes and everything. And, and I am very much, hopefully planning on us doing more collaborating, so.
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Gina
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
- [74:13]
Danielle
Me too.
- [74:14]
Gina
You can find, honestly, you can find the links to everything if you just go to Gina Lucerart.com up at the top. There's links to my blog, there's links to my classes, there's links to my newsletter. There's links to everything right there. So everything is. And you can buy the magazines directly on that website. So, Chalcom, what kind of classes do you do? I teach classes around creativity, around witchcraft and, and around business. Like, I just did a class called Rebel Media, which is how to grow a platform for activism and how to, like, create a community that creates change.
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Danielle
So I've been working on that too. That's.
- [74:58]
Gina
So it's. It's on. It's on my website. And I also teach classes for, like, beginners, how to, like, get into, like, if you, if you're drawn to witchcraft, like, if it's fascinating to you, and honestly, if you feel like it's something that, like, you're really curious about but you're nervous about, it probably means you're a witch. So I teach classes for, like, very, very beginners. And the money that I make from that class specifically, I donate to the aclu. I don't really. I don't say that out loud a whole lot, but that's the class that I have earmarked that whenever I sell classes from there, I donate all the proceeds to the ACLU because I feel like that's who we need right now. And then I have. I have some classes on creativity. So, like, I have watercolor classes and I have. I have that kind of stuff as well. So there's just kind of a random mix of all the things that I do, from creativity to connecting to your own power to, like, building communities and building voices that, that create change. So I love it.
- [76:12]
Danielle
And these are on zoom.
- [76:14]
Gina
Well, those are all pre recorded. I do have a class. I don't know when is this podcast coming out?
- [76:19]
Danielle
I. I think I might put it out on Thursday.
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Gina
Okay, well, so if you're listening on Thursday, I have a class that starts March 24th that is a vision board workshop. Like, I teach vision board classes, and I think that's something we need right now.
- [76:35]
Danielle
Yes.
- [76:35]
Gina
To like, think forward to the future. And the way I teach vision boards is we do it season by season is doing a year ahead seems like an overwhelming task. But to think about how you want to curate your next three months and what you want to bring to fruition and how you want to manifest that and align with your best highest good. Like that's what I'm teaching. And so that class is available right now and it is. I'll send you a link so you can put it in the show notes. It's it. But it's all pre recorded so like you can watch it, you know, at any time. But it. I host my classes on Kajabi and it's a live stream class, but then you get the replay afterwards.
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Danielle
So that's awesome. Well, thank you so much for doing this. You have to come back because we need to like, we're gonna need to catch up and see where things go and. And reconnect again and talk about it.
- [77:37]
Gina
Yes, absolutely. I had thoroughly enjoyed talking with you.
- [77:40]
Danielle
Oh, me too. Me too. I know. And I need to get you to come to. To New Jersey so that we can. Lots of witch shops.
- [77:49]
Gina
Yes, I've been there. Yeah.
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Danielle
Yes. And like you hope and everything. All right, well, thank you so much, Gina. You're awesome and I thank you for what you're doing. And I mean, you really are just a bright light in this darkness. It.
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