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Más de uno – Onda Cero

Episode: Elma Saiz no aclara por qué el Gobierno no presentó por separado la subida de las pensiones ni si lo está negociando con Junts
Date: January 28, 2026
Host: Carlos Alsina
Guest: Elma Sáiz (Ministra de Inclusión, Seguridad Social y Migraciones, Portavoz del Gobierno)

Episode Overview

This episode focuses on the Spanish government's recent approach to the pension increase decree, its negotiations with Junts per Catalunya, and the extraordinary regularization of migrants. Carlos Alsina interviews Minister Elma Sáiz, who defends the government's strategy amid parliamentary and media criticism. The discussion addresses tensions with the opposition party (Partido Popular), governance challenges from not having a parliamentary majority, nuances of legislative process, and questions about transparency and responsibility in recent governmental actions, including a recent railway accident.

Key Discussion Points

1. Subida de las pensiones y Negociación Parlamentaria

• Government’s Legislative Strategy:
  • Sánchez's government bundled the pension increase with several other social measures in a broader decree.
  • Opposition (PP) argues a clean, separate decree for pensions would prevent unnecessary uncertainty for millions of pensioners.
• Negotiation with Junts per Catalunya:
  • Persistent media reports suggest ongoing negotiation between government and Junts.
  • Elma Sáiz avoids a direct answer, emphasizing the government’s commitment to constant dialogue without specifying with whom.
  • Minister refuses to clarify whether she specifically is in talks with Junts per Catalunya.
• Political Responsibility and Framing:
  • Sáiz accuses the PP of irresponsibility for voting against “el escudo social.”
  • Host presses on government’s choice to not separate the decrees despite prior similar legislative failures.

Quotes:

• "El diálogo es constante. Somos muy conscientes de la minoría parlamentaria..." — Elma Sáiz [01:45]
• "¿Por qué no aliviaron a los pensionistas de esa incertidumbre en la que hoy se encuentran?" — Carlos Alsina [04:02]

Important segment: [00:57]–[07:42]

2. La cuestión de los presupuestos generales del Estado

• Recurring Delays:
  • Government repeatedly claims it will present the new budget but keeps delaying.
  • Alsina challenges the credibility of this claim, listing previous failed deadlines.
• Sáiz insists on government’s commitment:
  • “Este Gobierno cumple. Las pensiones están revalorizadas y llevamos…cumpliendo este compromiso." — Elma Sáiz [08:11]
  • Promises the budget will be presented in the first quarter of the year.

Important segment: [07:12]–[09:12]

3. Regularización Extrardinaria de Migrantes

• Rationale for the New Decree:
  • Previous legislative initiative for extraordinary regularization stalled in Parliament despite initial broad support.
  • The government moved ahead with a Real Decreto to unblock the process.
  • Sáiz emphasizes continuous reform and significant results in integrating immigrants (e.g., 650,000 regularizations in last 3 years).
• Role of Podemos and Social Advocacy:
  • Podemos’ advocacy and contact with civil society accelerated the process.
  • Sáiz sees the contribution of civic platforms as crucial.
• Scope and Procedure:
  • Estimated 500,000 people could benefit from the new procedure.
  • Sáiz underscores compatibility with previous reforms and the dignity granted to those previously excluded.
• Controversies:
  • Debate on whether such a large measure should have passed through Parliament.
  • Sáiz maintains the government acted within its legal remit and points to precedent (e.g., regularization in 2005 under Zapatero).

Quotes:

• “Lo que estamos haciendo con este proceso es dar dignidad, dotar de derechos y de oportunidades a personas que no tenían posibilidad de acceder.” — Elma Sáiz [12:57]
• “No hemos estado de brazos cruzados. Ahí están los resultados de la reforma del Reglamento de Extranjería.” — Elma Sáiz [18:00]

Important segment: [09:12]–[21:32]

4. Debate sobre efectos económicos y salariales de la regularización

• Potential Economic Impact:
  • Casimiro García Vadillo inquires about studies on how the regularization could affect wages, particularly for low-skill jobs.
  • Sáiz cites positive precedents, notably the 2005 regularization, which spurred Social Security affiliation and formalized many workers.

Quote:

• “Después de producirse en 2005, se multiplicó por 4 la afiliación a la Seguridad Social. Prácticamente la totalidad se incorporaron al mercado laboral.” — Elma Sáiz [23:00 approximately]

Important segment: [21:32]–[25:32]

5. Responsabilidades tras accidente ferroviario de Adamuz

• Transparency and Accountability:
  • Antonio Caño asks whether responsibility means dismissal/resignation or simply explanations.
  • Sáiz highlights continuous transparency, information, and accompaniment of victims as the core of the government’s approach.
  • Alsina presses on the difference between reaction to natural disasters and administrative failures (like a train crash).
  • Sáiz applauds Minister Óscar Puente’s personal visibility and availability for explanations.

Quotes:

• "Es un ejercicio absolutamente de transparencia, de información y de estar dando la cara. Estar dando la cara a pecho descubierto." — Elma Sáiz [30:00]

Important segment: [25:32]–[30:31]

6. Modelo de financiación autonómica y principio de ordinalidad

• Ambiguity over 'Ordinalidad':
  • Alsina repeatedly asks Sáiz if the government supports the principle of ordinalidad (regions’ fiscal ranking should match their funding ranking).
  • Sáiz gives evasive answers, focusing on equality of service, not clearly adopting the ordinalidad definition.

Quotes:

• “Lo importante es que cada ciudadano… tenga acceso a unos servicios públicos de calidad, independientemente de dónde viva.” — Elma Sáiz [31:49]

Important segment: [30:55]–[33:23]

Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Deflecting negotiation details:
  “El diálogo es constante. Somos muy conscientes de la minoría parlamentaria...” — Elma Sáiz [01:45]

• Pressed on pension decree tactics:
  “¿Por qué no aliviaron a los pensionistas de esa incertidumbre?” — Carlos Alsina [04:02]

• Migration regularization as dignity:
  “Lo que estamos haciendo con este proceso es dar dignidad...” — Elma Sáiz [12:57]

• Transparency as government pride:
  “Es un ejercicio absolutamente de transparencia, de información y de estar dando la cara.” — Elma Sáiz [30:00]

• Ordinalidad still ambiguous:
  “Lo importante es… acceso a unos servicios públicos de calidad, independientemente de donde viva.” — Elma Sáiz [31:49]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Weather chat: [00:05]–[01:10]
• Pension negotiations & Junts: [01:10]–[07:42]
• State budget delays: [07:42]–[09:12]
• Migration regularization & Podemos: [09:12]–[21:32]
• Economic impact of regularization: [21:32]–[25:32]
• Discussion on Adamuz train tragedy: [25:32]–[30:31]
• Discussion of 'ordinalidad' and regional financing: [30:55]–[33:23]

Language and Tone

Elma Sáiz maintains a governmental, defensive, and insistent tone, consistently framing government decisions as necessary, socially protective, and responsible—while regularly redirecting criticism toward the opposition. Carlos Alsina’s approach is persistent, inquisitive, and sometimes slightly ironic, seeking clarity and accountability. The tone overall is serious but lively, with moments of pointed critique and defense throughout.

For Listeners

This episode is essential for understanding the ongoing parliamentary strategies of the Spanish government, their approach to social policies and legislative bottlenecks, their stance towards opposition criticism, and the handling of high-profile issues like migration and transport safety. The conversation reveals not only the substance of government policy but also how its representatives justify, defend, and communicate complex, sometimes controversial, decisions.