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How many times has your soul been saved? Probably not as many times as Michelle Cottle’s.

In this episode, Michelle, Carlos and Ross discuss Ross’s new book, “Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious,” and explore the role religion should play in our lives and society.

(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)

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