Vincent Tolman Died in a Dairy Queen Bathroom at 25 — He Was Gone for Over an Hour and Came Back With 10 Messages About the Afterlife

Summary

Mayim Bialik's Breakdown: Vincent Tolman Died in a Dairy Queen Bathroom at 25 — He Was Gone for Over an Hour and Came Back With 10 Messages About the Afterlife

Date: May 12, 2026
Host(s): Mayim Bialik & Jonathan Cohen
Guest: Vincent Todd Tolman

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the extraordinary near-death experience (NDE) of Vincent Todd Tolman, who was clinically dead for over an hour after collapsing in a Dairy Queen bathroom at age 25. Upon his return, Vincent claims to have brought back 10 compelling messages about existence, consciousness, the afterlife, and the profound purpose of life on Earth. Mayim and Jonathan guide an open-minded, rigorous conversation touching on science, spirituality, the mystery of consciousness, and the transformative power of NDEs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Vincent’s Death and Out-of-Body Experience

• Background (06:01)
  • Vincent was an amateur bodybuilder who ingested a supplement from Thailand, leading to his collapse in a Dairy Queen bathroom.
  • He describes immediate physical effects: "Gravity’s different on this...I felt, like, so heavy...as soon as I got in there, felt like the whole world started to spin on me." (09:50, Vincent)
• The Blackness and Pinprick of Light (10:49)
  • On losing consciousness, Vincent perceives total darkness, followed by a distant pinprick of light that grows into an overhead ‘movie’ of events in the restaurant.
  • "I can't see anything but just black...then I start noticing it's a movie...filmed from the ceiling down." (11:12, Vincent)

2. Witnessing His Own Death

• Disembodied Awareness (16:09)
  • Vincent’s consciousness hovers above the restaurant; he vividly describes hearing thoughts and conversations, both spoken and internal, of everyone present.
  • "I was hearing voices spoken, and thoughts thought...all voices I could hear." (16:14, Vincent)
• Medical Response & Body Bag (22:37)
  • He observes the entire process of his body being found, paramedics declaring his death, and being zipped into a body bag with clinical detachment—initially not realizing the body is his own.
  • "I'm like, that's a bad Hollywood job. That's not even a real body." (19:04, Vincent)
• In the Ambulance (27:54)
  • While the ambulance is en route, Vincent observes a rookie EMT who "starts to glow...light coming out of him." (28:00, Vincent)
  • He hears a commanding voice: “This one’s not dead.” (29:20, Vincent)

3. Return to Life: The Moment of Reanimation

• Physical Revival (34:18)
  • The rookie, urged by an unknown force, disobeys orders and checks the ‘dead’ body’s pulse, eventually shocking Vincent’s body with a defibrillator.
  • On the third shock, the heart starts: "Heart started full. It was a faint, but it was a steady heartbeat." (37:14, Vincent)
• Realization of Identity (38:00)
  • Vincent finally realizes that the ‘bad Hollywood body’ is his own, triggered by seeing a restraint strap on the body and his own energetic arm:
    • “I looked down at my left arm and I could look and see a strap on my arm...I was still watching the movie, and I watched the body resist the strap and actually break it." (38:00)

4. Experiences During the Coma (Afterlife Encounter)

• Life Review (38:45)
  • Vincent endures a rapid, painful life review, feeling all the pain he caused others, then a wave of warmth and love showing him the good he’d done.
  • "It took my consciousness back to the beginning again, and it started showing me all the good things I ever did." (41:00, Vincent)
• Meeting the Spirit Guide (42:22)
  • He meets an otherworldly guide named Drake: "I'm your guide. I'm here to guide you to go wherever you want to go." (42:22, Drake as recalled by Vincent)
• No Sense of Earthly Time (44:36)
  • "There’s no time there. It’s just this ability to take things in. We use time here to measure...but there, everything is omnipresent." (44:36, Vincent)
• Shoeless Detail (46:12)
  • On noticing he and his guide are shoeless in the afterlife, Jonathan draws a parallel to Biblical ideas of sacred ground:
    • "Put off thy shoes. The land you're standing on is hallowed." (46:19, Jonathan)

5. The 10 Messages/Lessons from the Afterlife

(59:50–70:31, summarized throughout the segment)

1. Be Authentic

• The most important lesson in “Earth School” is authenticity, not just love. Masks and inauthenticity block true connection.
• “You cannot authentically love anyone...unless we love self first.” (50:30, Vincent via Drake)

2. Understand the Purpose of Life

• Earth is not a courtroom but a classroom and a playground—a reward for souls who’ve done much prior work. “Earth is a school box, like a playground for us to come and play...learn how to love ourselves...” (52:15, Vincent via Drake)

3. Love Everyone

• "That was the big one." (59:58, Vincent)

4. Listen to Your Inner Voice

• Intuition, especially strong in children, is our connection to the quantum field. Distraction, especially through technology, diminishes this link.
• "We all do have that intuition...they’re plugged into that quantum field." (62:20, Vincent)

5. Use Technology Responsibly

• Technology should not become our new “god”; it can block our connection to intuition and other people. (62:30)

6. Release Prejudice

• Prejudice (including prejudice against prejudiced people) blocks spiritual progress. “You can’t be anti-prejudice and not be prejudice, energetically.” (65:01, Vincent via Drake)

7. Exercise the Power of Creation (Thoughts Create Reality)

• “Anything we think we can create...if we think and put our thoughts behind something long enough, the rest of our physical energy will join in.” (67:01)

8. Avoid Negative Influences & Understand the Purpose of Evil

• Negative content (especially in media) lowers vibration and impacts society. Evil exists to create choice; its presence is a necessary contrast.
• “If we come here and we don’t have evil as a choice, there’s no reason to come.” (71:07, Vincent via Drake)

9. Release Negative Influences

• Avoiding environments or people who bring you down energetically is essential.

10. Know That We Are All One

• Fundamental unity of all beings. Division and demonization (politically or otherwise) are by design, meant to challenge us to find commonality.
• "Know that we are all one." (69:45, Jonathan introducing the lesson)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I don’t share my experience to try to convince anyone of anything. I share my experience like a PR campaign for heaven and for who we really are. So that we can reconnect, find solutions, and stop focusing so much on the problems. We have to bring love everywhere we go. And that will be heaven on earth.” — Vincent Todd Tolman (00:44)

• On the NDE experience:
  “It felt like somebody shocked me. And as soon as he felt that shock, I heard his mind go into gear. This is what you do now. This is what you do now.” (34:18, Vincent)

• On time in the afterlife:
  “Did it feel like 10 years? I would say yes. Did it feel like 10 hours? And I’d say yes...There’s no time there.” (44:36, Vincent)

• On authenticity:
  “The most important thing is authenticity...when we cannot be authentic, we cannot authentically love anyone. And we especially can’t authentically love ourselves.” (50:26, Vincent)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Vincent’s Collapse & Initial Experience: 06:01–13:00
• Disembodied Awareness and Restaurant Incident: 15:54–26:35
• Declared Dead, Zipped in Body Bag: 22:37–28:55
• Noticing the Rookie Medic’s Glow & Divine Voice: 28:00–29:20, 32:38–34:18
• Resuscitation, Hospital Arrival, Realization: 34:18–38:00
• Life Review, Meeting Guide: 38:45–43:31
• Conversation with Guide Drake, Nature of Afterlife: 44:36–53:46
• Earth as Elite School & Pre-Existence: 56:15–58:04
• The 10 Lessons from Beyond: 59:16–70:31
• Unity, Evil, and the World Today: 70:31–75:09

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Tone & Approach

• The discussion is inquisitive, deeply personal, spiritual, and rooted in curiosity and respect. Mayim and Jonathan balance scientific skepticism with genuine openness. Vincent remains humble, reiterating that he does not seek to convince but to share.

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Takeaways

• Near-death experiences like Vincent’s provoke big questions about consciousness, the meaning of life, and the possibility of existence beyond physical death.
• The “10 messages” are framed as universal spiritual and ethical truths—encompassing authenticity, love, intuition, responsible use of technology, unity, and understanding both the light and dark aspects of life.
• The episode is both inspiring and gently (sometimes humorously) challenging, weaving in science, spirituality, and practical wisdom.

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End of Part One.
The conversation with Vincent continues in Part Two, focusing on his return, integration of his experiences, and what convinced him of the reality and purpose of his afterlife journey.

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For deeper insights, personal anecdotes, and all the nuances: read Vincent Todd Tolman’s book, The Light After Death: My Journey to Heaven and Back.

Transcript

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I can't see anything but just black.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You are in a locked bathroom by yourself, but your consciousness was outside of the bathroom.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I was watching everything. I'm looking at a movie, but it's filmed from the ceiling down. This ambulance pulls up, three medics. They check vitals. Nothing. There is no heartbeat for well over an hour. They recorded time of death, put the body in a body bag. There's this beautiful man dressed in white. And he said, I'm not God. I'm your guide.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Vincent Todd Tolman was declared dead in the bathroom of a Dairy Queen when he 25 hours later, he was brought back to life. His book, the Light After Death discusses his unbelievable experience in the afterlife. And he's here to tell us what he learned when he died. About the only way to live.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

You were in a coma three days, zero brain activity. I don't want to go back to my body. I started to hear my brother saying a special prayer. I command you to be whole. I command you to come back to your body. I woke up. I didn't want to be here. This was hell. Being here after there. That's why we can't remember it. If we could remember it, we wouldn't stay here. I don't share my experience to try to convince anyone of anything. I share my experience like a PR campaign for heaven and for who we really are. So that we can reconnect, find solutions and stop focusing so much on the problems. We have to bring love everywhere we go. And that will be heaven on earth. And that's coming. Hey, sweetie. Your mother showed me this Carvana thing

[Jonathan Cohen]

for selling the car. I'm going to give it a try. Wish me luck. Me again.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I put in the license plate.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It gave me an offer. Unbelievable. Okay, I accepted the offer. They're picking it up Tuesday from the driveway. I haven't even left my chair. It's done. The car is gone. I'm holding a check anyway.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Carvana, give it a whirl.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Love ya. So good you'll want to leave a voicemail about it. Sell your car today on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply.

[Mayim Bialik]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

Give us the Cliff Notes.

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Jonathan this man defies all all medical explanation. He was dead for between 45 minutes and an hour and a half and he came back with an unbelievable experience of what it is like in the afterlife, how souls get here, what we're doing on earth and how to free yourself from the struggles that you're experiencing.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Vincent Todd Tolman is our guest today. He wrote the Light After Death, My Journey to Heaven and Back. And yeah, as Jonathan just said, Vinnie as he goes by. Vinnie died in the bathroom of a Dairy Queen when he was 25 years old. No one knew he was in there. By the time they found him, his body was cold, there was no pulse. They called a time of death and they zipped him up in a body bag. However, he was watching the entire scene unfold from some sort of place above the Dairy Queen is how he describes it. He ended up not even realizing that it was his body until he was almost to the hospital, zipped up in a body bag. Not only did he come back, he was then placed in a coma, brain dead for three days. In that time, he experienced an interaction with the world. After this one, he came back with 10 very specific messages re entered his body and began to live a life as someone with a completely different experience of reality, of consciousness and of the quantum realm that we are all in. We are thrilled to have Vinnie here in person. Vincent Todd Tolman welcome to the Breakdown. Break it down.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Thank you.

[Jonathan Cohen]

We've heard a variety of NDEs, and we're very, very eager to hear the uniqueness of yours. So before we kind of tell the story or have you tell the story, if you had to tell people one thing that they should prepare to understand from the journey that you went on,

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

what would it be to understand that what you're thinking is real, is not, and that there's a whole other reality that you were tapped into as a child that you can tap into as an adult.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I think where we should start is tell us how you died.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Well, I was an amateur bodybuilder. This is back in 2003. It wasn't like anything I made money off of, but it was definitely a major hobby, working out twice a day. And me and one of my best friends, we were doing that and we found this supplement back then that would help your muscle recovery happen like twice as fast. So when you're building muscle, you rip it by lifting. You know, tear that muscle, it repairs itself bigger and that's how you bulk up. And so we were in a bulk up on our arms, on our chest, on our back. And so we were doing these like really heavy routines and we wanted to do them every day and not wait for the recovery. And you can do that or you could have back when this product was still legal. And so we ordered probably maybe 30 bottles across a year and a half. And all of a sudden it was so popular. Couldn't get it anywhere anymore. You'd have to go on a waiting list no matter where you ordered. And then product would show up and it would get sold for like $10 on the dollar out the back door. No one was getting their orders. So we found some from Thailand. But I had lived in Thailand at one time for a while, so I thought Thailand's safe. You know, they have really good food and drug safety, at least in the manufacturing sector. So I thought that's going to be pretty safe. So we ordered a bottle, but the bottle came with all Thai writing on it and no English. So we cracked that open, we sniffed it, and it smells just like the American stuff. And it's a liquid. You just take a liquid bottle cap. So we both just said, let's do it. We're gonna go do a workout, go get something to eat, go see a car show, like some, some new cars. And that was the plan for the day. And then maybe do a second workout on the way back.

[Jonathan Cohen]

How big is this bottle? Like, is it like a drink? It's like a shot.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

It's. I Would say, it's like a 1.75. It's not that big. And you would just take the. The lid to the bottle and use that lid as your measure, and you would take one. One bottle cap.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Got it.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So we both did it. And right away, I was like, wow, that was way sour. That was way more sour than the American stuff. And my buddy was like, yeah, that was different tasting. And right away, I started feeling, like, cold come over my chest. And I had had surgery in the past.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Oh, yeah. Anesthetized.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah, yeah, anesthetize. I knew what that felt like, that coldness, and it felt the exact same. So I told my buddy, dude, this one's way stronger than normal, so let's go get something to eat. Because we knew that would offset whatever, you know, disperse it with food it makes. So your body absorbs less, metabolize it. So we went down to the closest restaurant to his house, and we barely make it into the parking lot. He's literally, like, going to sleep while he's driving.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So you're both feeling instant effects of this poison or whatever it is within

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

minutes of us taking it. So it's very, very fast.

[Mayim Bialik]

And do you notice that he's affected, or are you so much in your own experience that you're like.

[Jonathan Cohen]

He literally said he couldn't drive.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

We were, like, laughing about it. We're 25. We don't think about death or anything. We just think we're gonna live forever. And I'm, like, laughing like he's kind of drunk on it. I'm like, look, you can't even stay awake. So I had to even put the car in park for him because he didn't even know. He's just, like, pulled up and. And stopped. I'm like, put it in park. So I put it in park, and I opened the door, and I went to go step out, and all of a sudden I was like, whoa, gravity's different on this. I felt, like, so heavy. And so I, like, felt like I lumbered myself into the restaurant.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It was a Dairy Queen.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Let's just call it out.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It's such, like. You have to say it was a Dairy Queen. Yeah.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

And for a while, it was like the kind of the jinx Dairy Queen. They tore it down. Yeah. So I. You know how dairy. Some Dairy Queens were back then. Yes. Again, 2003. The bathroom is right as you walk in the door. So I went straight in that bathroom, and it was a single. Single unit. So I locked the door, and as soon as I got in there. Felt like the whole world started to spin on me. And I heard this really loud, like, pop. Like, really loud. And the next thing I know, I can't see anything but just black. And I feel like I'm floating. I feel like I'm. I'm warm, I'm electrical, but I'm also really cool. Like, it's this weird, like, untethered sensation I had never felt. I'd never felt. And I'd done quite a bit of substances in my day. And I'm telling you, nothing was holding a candle to what I was feeling.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You said you felt warm and cold and electric.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Warm and cool and electric and fluid. I felt like I was floating in fluid is what it felt like.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Did you feel pain?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

No pain. And that was the first thing I noticed is I was like, whoa, this stuff's really good. I can't feel any pain. Like, I really. I thought that that was one of the thoughts I had in there was like, there's no pain.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay, so. But everything's black.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Everything's black and way off. I can see this little pinprick of light. And it starts getting closer and closer and bigger and bigger. And as it gets bigger and bigger, I'm noticing it's a movie. And I'm looking at a movie, but it's, like, filmed from the ceiling down. So I'm like, why would the director film looking down? That doesn't make any sense. And I'd worked with directors and I'd worked as a PA on some shows. And so I was like, that's weird. Why would the DP or the director decide that? Let's shoot this looking down. That's a dumb way to shoot. And I'm sitting there thinking that, and I start to realize, wait, that's my buddy. And I noticed that in the movie, I was watching my buddy getting taken away and getting an ambulance called on him loading an ambulance, and he gets taken away.

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[Jonathan Cohen]

You are in a locked bathroom by yourself.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That's where you fell.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

That's where I fell.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That's where your body is.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

But you're telling me that your consciousness was outside of the bathroom.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Above the bathroom and above the. The above the whole building. If you were to take the apex of the building. I was in the center of the apex and I could take my. And you were watching what was going on. And wherever my interest went, that's where the camera focus went. So if my interest went over to like a conversation I was listening to over here, by the way, I was hearing voices spoken and thoughts thought. So all voices I could hear. So the voices of anyone thinking anything within the restaurant and the voices of the conversations, I was hearing it all. What did you hear? So the one that made me laugh is there was this older gentleman with his wife. They were there getting breakfast. She was sitting there talking about her friends or a group of these ladies. And he was like thinking about something not even close to that, kind of like daydreaming, letting his mind wander. And then she asked him like, well, what do you think about that? And he's like, I need to go use the bathroom. And so he went to go try to use the bathroom that you were.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That your body was in.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

That the body was in. Yeah. And so the door was locked. So he's like, oh man. So he waited a few minutes and you know that person wasn't coming out.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And you did not realize that was you in the bathroom.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

It wasn't me. I was up here. I was, like, watching everything. I was on this weird camera angle from the director, and I'm just like, this is so weird. And I wasn't even focused so much on the body. I could feel there was, like, a heaviness there. But in some way I knew I didn't need to look at it yet. So I was focused on this couple. He goes back down, sits down, and she wants to pick up that conversation. He's like, I need to go tell the manager the bathroom's locked. So he went and told the manager, like, I've tried that a couple times now. I probably didn't see the first time he tried it, but I know I saw at least one time, maybe two, that I saw him get up to try it. And then he went to the manager and said, hey, can you check? That's been locked for a long time.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So you're watching and hearing and experiencing all of these things that are happening outside of the bathroom where your vessel is?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes. Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So Then what happens?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So then I follow. Now my focus is on him. Him going to the manager, the manager going with him, and, like, tapping his key really loud on the door, like, hello, Anyone in there? They didn't hear anything. So the manager opens the door, and I'm. I'm telling you, the body was, like, right there in front of the door. And there was vomit all over the. The face, the stomach, the shoulders. And the weird thing for me is the neck. You know, your neck's quite at least a little bit smaller than your jaw. It was almost wider than the jaw.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Like, it had swollen up.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

It had swollen so wide already. And. And I'm like, that's a bad Hollywood job. That's not even a real body. Whoever's doing this movie is not very good. I remember having a thought like that.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It is still not clicking for you. What's happening?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

No, not even close yet. Yeah, so I'm. I'm. But I can feel still sadness and I can feel, like, a sincere fear from this manager. And I heard his mom, like. Like telling him in his own voice, like, you know, you need to get out of that job. You're never going to make it anywhere if you don't quit that job and go back to school and blah, blah, blah. And he was, like, hearing that on repeat while he was looking at all of this, and he doesn't know what to do. And then he Thinks, oh, I need to call 911. So he calls to his assistant manager, this is like 16 or 17 year old girl, tells her to call 911.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And they already knew they had another body that had gone to the hospital.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes, your friend. Yeah, but they didn't. So the people didn't see us coming together because we didn't. I came in first, he came in second and he went in and collapsed on a booth and vomited in front of everybody. So he was a quick one to recognize and get out of there. But yeah, the manager, he's looking at this dead body and he thinks about it for a second and I actually heard him think, I don't want to touch that. So he goes to the assistant manager and says, give me the phone, you need to go work on the body. Because they're like, feel for a Pulse. Whatever the 911 operator was saying to do, he was speaking it to this assistant. And she got to a point where she went to touch like the neck and she felt like cold and slimy. And she even said out loud, so loud that the 911 operator heard it. And as soon as that operator heard that, she said, stop everything you're doing. Lock down the room, don't let anyone else in. We've called police and medics. Whoever gets there first, let them have access to it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So you're just watching all this and you're looking down at this poor body that looks like a bad job.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

You know what's really funny is at this point I'm like, this is. I think I'm in a theater. This is probably the most comfortable theater I've ever been in because I felt so at ease and I felt so comforted because this is a scary situation. Especially. I don't know why my consciousness wasn't putting two and two together that my real friend just took, got taken away. And now I'm looking at this bad Hollywood job of a body and it just didn't because me was up here. It was. I equate it to pulling up to a stoplight in your car and you look over and you see your same car over there and you see you driving it, but you're like, that's not me though. I'm in this car. And that's what it felt like. I'm like, well, not even a possibility that it was me.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So what happened next?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Well, one thing I don't tell a lot of people about, but was right then this other worker at the restaurant was like running around, dead body, dead Body, Dead body. And she went running back to the. The cook, like the fry chef, and was like, there's a dead body back there. And this guy, he. He had grown up in Mexico and had seen a lot of death himself. And he thought out loud, I don't need to see one more dead body in my life ever again.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And you heard that?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

And I heard that, yeah. And he was like, no, no, no. And this other young un was just still running around trying to tell everybody there's a dead body in there. And I don't know why. Maybe her way of dealing with shock or whatever it was, But I'm again, just interested in what's going on in the scene. I watch as this other ambulance pulls up. The second ambulance has three workers, though, three medics. So it has two from the two front seats and has one rookie who is sitting in the back with the gurneys, what they call the jump seat. And I noticed that this rookie, he had an innocence about him. He was definitely younger than the other two, but he had this, like, freshness with the approach to being a medic, an emt. And they get on scene right away, they check vitals, nothing. They. They put this, like, oxygen feeder in to try to hand pump oxygen into the lungs. No, no, no change. They recorded time of death. They put the body in a body bag. And I'm starting to realize this is a real situation, though, because the reaction of everyone around it, I'm noticing it's not acting that this is real. This is freaking people out. I feel so bad for this guy, whoever he is. And he has a really thick neck. I just can't remember. He has a really thick neck. And I grew up with he man characters. And I had a guy named Mani Faces who had a really thick neck like that. And I just kept thinking, oh, this poor guy looked like Manny Faces. Probably nobody could fall in love with that guy anyway. That's probably why he's dead. And I'm just witnessing all of this and realizing, you know, I still want to follow whatever this is. And so I had tried to follow my buddy's ambulance away from the scene, but I was pulled back. Like, it didn't allow me to leave the building. I could still look that direction as it drove away, but I couldn't go with it. So I was wondering, I'm like, oh, I hope I can go with this one. And it did. Allow me to go with this one. They went ahead and collected witness statements. They were there for at least another 30 minutes getting statements, getting paperwork. Signed by everyone.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It was zipped up.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

It was already zipped up. Put in the back of the ambulance. So, yeah. And the rookie was tasked. His job was to sit back there, don't touch it, and don't let anyone else touch it. That was his only job. And so he's sitting back there, I can hear him thinking, why didn't we try this? Why don't we try this? I just learned about this new thing we don't do yet. Why don't we try that? And he's just thinking through this, like little laundry list, why don't we try any of these other things? I was trained that there's possible we might be able to bring this guy back. And they were like, nope, don't touch it. Don't touch it and don't let anyone else touch it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And you still are thinking, who is

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

this poor guy, poor bastard, poor guy

[Mayim Bialik]

that no one's helping.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah. And I'm sitting here just not necessarily entertained, but invested. Now I'm invested in what this story is. And so I watched the other two, the veteran medics, they get all the paperwork they can. They taken their time getting the ambulance, and they're like, hey, we're going to such and such medical examiner. And they plotted the route. This is back when they were using map books. So they plotted their route and they. They started going on their route.

[Jonathan Cohen]

What's your view now? Are you still above what's happening?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Still above all of it. But now I can go with the ambulance. So I did notice I could go with that ambulance. And I thought, oh, good, I don't have to miss out what's going on.

[Jonathan Cohen]

No, we don't want you to miss a second of this.

[Mayim Bialik]

And how long from the time that you passed out in the bathroom, what

[Jonathan Cohen]

time was death declared?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So time of death was declared at a specific time. And my buddy's ambulance was. Was called almost. It was like 50 or 55 minutes before that. So it was a good long time. But the door is locked. So the one question is, how long was I dead? Nobody knows that one.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Well, sometime between you entering the dq, right?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Going into the. Like, that's the pocket of time, but we're working on at least an hour that you are dead.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

At least an hour? Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

And do we know how long from the time they put you in the body bag till. Till you're driving in the or till you're driving in the ambulance?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I know that it was probably at least 25 to 40 minutes, because where I was, there was no time anymore. So you were just kind of, like, watching things go.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Once they zipped up the body, it was then put in the ambulance. And then they collected all the witness statements because they think they have a corpse and it can just sit there and you're watching the whole thing happen. So then whoever you are, your consciousness, I don't know what to call it, is now in the ambulance.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes. I like to call it my energetic body.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Because that's what our consciousness is. It's just energy. It's our energetic body.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You know better than we do. But yes. So you're in the ambulance. You still don't understand who that body is?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I don't understand it, but I noticed some very cool new thing happening. And that rookie medic, as he's just still feeling really bad that he can't try any of these things that he wants, he starts to glow from inside him. He literally starts to have light. Light coming out of him. And I'm watching it just around his heart area. He gets really, really bright gold color. And I'm like, what is this? And, you know, the show that I had worked on was Touched by an angel, and we would do the light above the head.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So I was like, that's an odd way of doing it. How do they do that? Then I'm thinking, how would. Who's the prop guy? Who's the FX guy that was able to. To rig that light to come out of him? That's so cool.

[Mayim Bialik]

And.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

And I'm thinking it from that perspective, like, this is neat. I've never seen this in a movie before.

[Jonathan Cohen]

No.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

And. And I hear really loud, as I'm having this, like, movie nerd thought, I have this. This energy pass over me where I am sitting and watching this movie. I have this huge energy pass over me, and I feel it hit him, and then I hear really loud, this one's not dead. Then nothing.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Whose voice was it?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I'm gonna say a helper, a worker, source, whatever we want to call it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay. But it was not your voice.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I would say peoples on this earth, if they heard that voice, they would worship, was powerful. You could feel that it was commanding the universe to do something. Okay. And this guy, this rookie, he. He. I know he heard. He heard it or felt it. Later on, I tracked him down. He said he didn't. He didn't hear it, but he said he just knew something. But I heard it really loud. And I also heard his mind kick in and say, that's just your imagination. Don't get fired. On your first mind.

[Mayim Bialik]

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[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So then we keep going down the road like another half block or block. And now this light gets even brighter and it starts glowing all the way to his waist to about here. But it was so bright it was like giving. You know. You know how light when it hits the body, it gives, like, shadows. It's giving, like, shadows to the top of his head because it's so bright coming from down here. And I'm like, again, nerding out. That is so close. Even brighter. How are they doing that? Is that, like, some kind of weird CG we don't know about yet? And I'm just enamored with this simple little thing. And then I heard again, as if another force passed away over me. And I heard even louder this time. I felt like it rumbled me, and it said, this one's not dead. And he heard it. I know he heard it, because as soon as he heard it, he reached for the strap around the dead body and undid one strap. He unzipped the body or the bag from the head all the way down to about right here, where there was another strap. And he zipped it just to there and was, like, slipping his hand inside the body bag, feeling around the neck, feeling around the jaw. He was trying to get any sign of life, any sign of pulse. He even reached, like, under the armpit, and that was kind of under the strap that was right there. He realized he couldn't do it, the strap. So he undid the second strap, opened the body bag further. He felt in the underarm. Nothing. In fact, one thing he did start. I heard him think, oh, rigor mortis has started. Like, he felt stiffness or hardness in some of those muscles.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And, like, how could this body be alive?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah. If he wasn't gonna second guess whatever that. That thing was that was speaking to him. So he went to the last spot. He had to do one. One more strap, and that was to get down into the. The thigh area. And. Yeah. And so he was feeling for the femoral artery, and he went. He went to one direction of the femur, didn't feel anything. He went to the other direction and pushed really hard, and he made contact with the bone in the body. He pushed that hard. And as soon as he did, there was like, a spark, like a shock, and he jumped. And I jumped, though, because it wasn't me, like, feeling empathy towards him. I felt like somebody shocked me. And as soon as he felt that shock, I heard his mind go into gear. This is what you do now. This is what you do now. And he had all these lists he was, like, rattling out in his brain. And so he went to go clear the throat for oxygen, and he hooked up a defib on the body. And at this same time, Those veteran medics start noticing what he's doing. They're like, dude, you're fired. You're going to get fired. First week on the job. Good job, dude. And they were like, just chewing him out. And he didn't listen, didn't even care. He went ahead and did that first round of defib. Nothing.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Didn't he also put a trach in?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So what's weird is when I came out, I had a little. Like a little scab where a trach might have been.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Oh, God.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

But he remembered it as feeding, like a hard hose down the throat. So I don't know.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

You know, and they wouldn't let me because of liability. They wouldn't let me get access to their whole records. I only got a bill that said dry. It was a. It was like taking you for a block and a half for eleven hundred dollars in 2003, that would be like 3, $300 today to drive you a block and a half in an ambulance.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And so there's no clause for if you're dead and come back from the dead.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

No. Okay, just checking.

[Mayim Bialik]

I feel like if you come back from the dead, your bill should be wiped.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

It should be wiped.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I feel like if you could hear

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

God's words, or maybe. Maybe it should be doubled. Right. Come back alive. But, you know, he went and let the second round of defib hit.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Did you. What did you experience the you that was.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I like anticipation. I was excited. I was invested.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Did you feel the. You did not feel any electricity?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I did not feel any of the shocks. Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So no shocks. Couldn't feel those. Funny how I felt the spark before, but I didn't feel any of the shocks. Not any of them. And that second round of shocks, there was a single blip on the heart monitor. Just a single boop, boop.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yep.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

And then flatline. And that got the other two medics just shut up. They shut up right there. Because to them, even that's not possible.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Correct.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So he went for a third round on the defib. And on that third round, heart started. Heart started full. It was a faint, but it was a steady heartbeat. And it started. And you know, that changed everything. One of the miracles to all this is there was a brand new just opened in, like the last six months or last year of this date, there was a hospital opened right where this happened. And so they were within seconds of that heart starting. They were at a trauma center with a team that had nothing to do because a brand new hospital and they wanted to work on this Body.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Do you still not realize that you are that dead body?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Not yet. I'm about to, though. I'm really close. So they. They transfer the body from the hospital or from the EMT gurney onto hospital bed or ICU bed or whatever. As they're doing that transfer, the body went into full seizure and it was, like, vomiting. There was stuff coming out of, like, the ears, stuff coming out of the nose. Just weird places. Even I remember there's something coming out of one of the eyes. And like, that just looked horrible. And I'm like, ah. I'm like cringing and thinking like, this looks real. And they. They're trying to get control of this body so they can start doing the things they need to do. So this one really strong, not medic, but maybe orderly or something from the hospital, he starts strapping down the. The legs of the body. Then he goes around, straps down the right arm. Then he went to strap down the left arm. And I was like, what's going on? I looked down at my left arm and I could look and see a strap on my arm. And I could see it was like a. This weird strap. They were trying to strap me to my seat in my. In my movie theater, per se. And so I was like, no. And I yanked like this. And I was still watching the movie, and I watched the body resist the strap and actually break it. And I was like. I was like, what? What? What? And all of a sudden, this, like, deep, dark energy starts pouring in me. You idiot. You've been watching your own death this whole time. How could you not know that what you've been witnessing was your body? Duh. It was with your friend. Why didn't you see that? And it was like, kind of like a kid just not even being aware of something. I felt so dumb. And right then I started to rewind time in my consciousness. I went back to infant and I started going forward really fast. And I started seeing anything bad or something that I ever did or if it was even received badly, like, anything negative energy that I influenced on this universe. I saw it. I felt it from my perspective. I felt it from the perspective of whoever it hurt too. And go all the way through that to my 25th year. And then I just had this thought, like, I'm such a pos. If this is all that I am, why do I even exist? If this is me, if this is the film of Vinny, why do I exist? And as soon as I had that thought, this, like, waterfall of warmth came over my back. And it's almost like it enveloped me like a cloak, but a cloak of light. And it was a cloak of warmth and love. And it completely enveloped me. And it took my consciousness back to the beginning again, and it started showing me all the good things I ever did. And there was, like, so much more. So much more. And I was, you know, as a little kid, I was a really heartfelt kid and, you know, extremely abused. So I would always know when people were hurting. And so I would, like, go and just say kind things to them. Strangers, homeless people, whatever. Even, like, a lady who I could feel was, like, hurting inside of the grocery store, I go, say nice things and sorry I didn't take a drink. It was like this love. It was, like, pouring in me so strong. And I had forgotten what it was like to be that innocent, that kind. And I, like, ached inside for that again. And I saw as an adult, I went and did a service mission for two years. I went and, like, taught, you know, third world country English and sanitation and taught, you know, Bible and taught, like, even literacy. I taught literacy to people that hadn't had it for two generations. And. And I just felt like there was a lot of good that Vinny had done. And I just felt like, how can I feel this love, this strong? And so I turned around to see where it was coming from, and there's this man. He's like a beautiful man. Just this old white man. Like, fairly tall, big broad shoulders, and he's all dressed in white, but he's got, like, this white robe on, but a white suit underneath. He's got a long white beard and long white hair. And he has this face where it's like when your eyes connect to his. It's like his eyes reach in and just hold you. And when I felt that I was like, you're God, and he just, like, smirked or smiled, it was like, no, son, I'm not God. And growing up Christian, my only other thought was, are you Jesus? And he goes, no, son, I'm not Jesus. And I go, it's like I'm all out of guesses. Who are you? And he said, I'm your guide. I'm here to guide you to go wherever you want to go.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay, I need to ask a question. What was happening in the physical world at this time? Because once your arm. Once you notice that your feeling of resistance of that arm was you, you did that go away.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

And completely, as soon as I turned away, turned away from my shadow, it turned me away from my body. Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So what we can tell People is that your body was taken into the hospital.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And you were in a coma.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Coma. Brain dead for three days. Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And you're hanging out with your spirit guide.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah, with my spirit guide.

[Mayim Bialik]

Better than the waiting room.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Way better. Way better. And way better than anything we could ever do here. So how long?

[Jonathan Cohen]

And I know this is a silly question, but I'm gonna ask you to explain why it's silly. How long did you then embark on the experience that you're gonna tell us about? Do you know how long you were gone?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I feel like the experience was pretty much the whole entire time I was gone.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Did it feel like three days?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Did you go to sleep back when it happened? You could say, vinnie, did it feel like 10 years? I would say yes. Then you could say, did it feel like 10 hours? And I'd say yes, because there's. There's no time there. It's just this. This ability to take things in. We use time here to measure and gauge us our ability to take things in, experience things, but there, everything is. Is omnipresent. So, like, you can take in years of existence and experience in a matter of a breath. There. It's just instant. It's kind of like our download speed with technology now becomes instant. What used to take 10 hours just a few years ago. It's really crazy. I'm sitting there watching this guy still. Like, I think he's God. He's just not telling me the truth. I really am thinking that. And. And it's weird because I know he can hear me think that because he would smile it when I would think that, but I.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And you didn't need to speak, correct.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

No. You don't use your mouth there because, I mean, you're not in your physical vessel anymore. So your thought is your voice.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Did you have a body that you could see?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Energetic body? Yeah. And it just looked just like what I looked like. The one weird thing is I wasn't wearing shoes. Now, the body had shoes on. At least when I went in that bathroom, I did. You know, by the time I woke up a few days later, of course, you were in hospital gown and no shoes or even socks on.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So you and your guide are shoeless.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Put off thy shoes. The land you're standing on is hallowed. That's what God says from the burning bush.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Oh, yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah. You hadn't thought about that? No.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

That's awesome.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That. Yeah, I never thought of that. Put off thy shoes. Yeah.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Because you're an extension of that place.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah. You're in Hollowed ground.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

That's your charging port. Correct. Your feet are your charging.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah. You're connecting to the mother. Yeah. Okay, keep going.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I love that.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I thought that's what you thought.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

That's so awesome. I never put that together.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah, I mean, or Shoeless Joe from Hannibal, Missouri. He was a baseball player who played without shoes. Okay, keep going. So. So with your guide.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So I'm with my guide. He did tell me his name is Drake.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Drake?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah. And I'm like.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Like the hip hop artist?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah, kind of. But it's funny, that was 2003, so that was long before he came around. Drake, but just Drake got it. And I had never known anyone in my life known Drake prior to that. So I was like, okay, that's a kind of an odd name. But I could feel, though, this untethered outpouring of love coming from him on everything we were doing. He explained that the love that was coming from him was coming from his home and from my home. And he said, I can help you go there if you want. And I said, yes, that's where I want to go. I don't want to go back to my body. I know for sure I don't want that. And there was no question, especially when he had given me the idea, do you want to go back to your body? I looked back and they were just in the middle of, like, stabbing something directly into the chest. Like, it was like a big syringe or something. And it just. Again, I did not want anything to do with that. So I went ahead and said, no, let's go home. I want to go home. So we started this journey. First thing he told me is it's not going to be just a journey of distance, but it's going to be a journey of dimension and vibration. And that I would have to keep up with him if I want to get all the way to home. And if I can't, he'll stay with me. But I have to be willing to accept certain things, not to fully embrace them, but accept that they're possibly true. And as long as I did that, I could keep going with them. So first thing he taught me is, you know, he asked me, what do you think the most important thing in this life is? And I'm like, love. I know that's what you're gonna say. Love. Everybody says it's love. And he's like, love. It is very important, but in this. In this realm. And he called it Earth School. He said, in Earth School, the most important thing is authenticity. And I'm like, I'm authentic. And he goes, I love that you think you're authentic. And he showed me when I would meet with this friend, I had a mask with my mom, had a mask with my dad, had different masks with my siblings, probably five masks. You know, I had all these masks I was putting up everywhere I went. And he showed me it wasn't the mask that I think I needed, it was the mask I thought that they wanted. And I was always becoming who I thought they wanted. Like I was some type of Swiss army knife to become a screwdriver or a knife or a spoon or a

[Jonathan Cohen]

fork or that cute little toothpick or

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

the cute little toothpick that everyone loses. Or the tweezers. Yeah. And it's like I saw that in myself. So I said, well, how do you get authenticity? And he explained that, you know, when we first come here, we're very authentic as children. And until we're about five years old and start getting a kind of a good rooted ego in us, we're still very authentic. Like, we say what we believe, we even say the mean stuff if we have to, but then we'll say, but I love you and give a hug. Like, we don't, we don't use necessarily the same tools that we use as adults or adolescents. So very young kids are that way. And then he showed me that very old people are that way, like in their, you know, mid to late 80s or 90s. They're very authentic. They don't have time, they're not going to placate you for anything. If they don't want to be there, they're not going to be there, you know, but if they want to be there, like at ice cream lunch, they'll go have ice cream for lunch. Like, you know what they. There's this authenticity with them, but it's. I noticed that here we are, age 5 to 85, we're putting up all these masks in between. And he should, you know, Drake showed me that this is a thrown away space, that when we cannot be authentic, we cannot authentically love anyone. And we especially can't authentically love ourselves. And if we can't love ourselves, we cannot love anyone. We have no power of love towards anyone unless we love self first. And he showed me that when we pretend to love, we reflect love, but we don't source love from us unless we feel that love for ourselves. And just like kids and you can't

[Mayim Bialik]

feel that love for yourself if you're constantly thinking, how do I tiptoe around someone and not be my authentic self, so I avoid conflict and I don't hurt their feelings. And I just trying to, you know, manage everything.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. It's like, you know, we. We got to get over this idea that we are as valuable as what others think we are, because we're far more valuable than all that from the beginning. And in fact, you know, spirits used a specific term with me a lot, and they call it a divine masterwork. That's all of us. We're a divine masterwork. And that led me to the next thing that Drake taught me is he said, vinny, do you know why you come to Earth to Earth school? And I was like, yeah, I know why. It's so we can, you know, go to the courtroom of life. If we fail, we go to hell. If we pass, we go to heaven and just hang out forever. And. And he. He again said, I love that you think that's what it is. But he showed me that long before we came here, long before our energetic body was able to earn its way, work its way to here, we did a lot of hard work. We did a lot of the energetic stuff that a soul or an energetic body needs to do to even get to Earth. And Earth is a reward. But Earth is not a courtroom. It's a classroom. And in fact, better yet, it's a school box, like a playground. Playground for us to come and play, to learn how to love each other, learn how to love ourselves, learn how to create relationships, how to use our thoughts to create and use the power of us to build energy in this space. And that. That's all it is. It's more of a reward than anything. And that we had to do so much before we got here that, you know, there's a big part of the universe that wants to come here. They can't. They can't cut the mustard. You got to be really good to get here. This is like the, you know, the grad school. Grad. Yeah, this is like the grad school of, like, the, you know, this is the place that everyone wants to go because it's so respected, because only, like, the finest, most well developed souls can even. Even try it out here.

[Jonathan Cohen]

What about people that we would see as, let's say, doing prickly things or breaking the law or hurting other people? What is their lesson here?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Well, a lot of them, from my perspective, is some of them are volunteer villains. So they go into contract with loved ones, loved souls, and say, okay, guys, you made this goal with Source that you want to get all this growth, but you're not going to be able to do that without a central villain in the story. So I love you more than anyone else does, so I'll be that villain. And everyone agrees to it. That one comes here, becomes the villain. Kind of like the. The flint to sharpen the steel, the. The grinding stone to sharpen the steel, or better yet, the furnace to. To harden the steel. But yeah, it's, it's. And that's not everybody, but that's a lot of them. A lot of the ones that doesn't look like they're here for their own journey necessarily because they're so far off in what they're doing. And some of them, that is their journey. They've been the hero, they've been the bad guy, they've been the good guy. And now they just want to be like a lost drug addict for this life because that's the one role they have never played. And that's their. That's this soul's desire. It's like the missing piece from their puzzle that they feel they need for their wholeness. And maybe it's to feel more empathy towards other times where they had judged people like that too, and they want to redeem themselves of that judging. So go be that person. So it's. It's very. It's so much bigger than what we can understand because we're so focused. I like to say if you, you know, the Voyager satellite, if you were to put a string on it and drop a single grain of sand on that string, and those who know how far the Voyager is out there right now would know, like, how long that is. Okay. That grain of sand is our time here. Who we are, that string. But we go out further past the Voyager, there's no end to who we are.

[Mayim Bialik]

Did you see any information about people, like, lining up to come to Earth? You mentioned that we had to do a lot of work in order to get to Earth in the first place.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I could sense it. I couldn't see it, but I definitely sensed it when Drake was explaining it to me that it was a really hard thing to achieve to be able to come here and play, like, really hard. And in fact, we have, a lot of us have many love souls that are in other spaces that are envious of us here. And we're. We're representing that whole group of souls as their representative, their volunteer to come here and play in the dirty sandbox. Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Does Earth have a waiting list?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes. Million percent. Yes. Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

It feels like an Elite operation.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

It is. And here's the funny thing. Earth is. Is something that's been around far longer than science can explain. Far longer. Way longer. I mean, times a hundred times what we think it's been.

[Mayim Bialik]

Do we think that there were populations and civilization?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes. That's why in Genesis, one of the first commandments, right. Is to multiply and replenish the earth, not plenish the earth. Replenish. And which, which time around are we in? We have to be up there to know. But I know it's not the first, and I know it's possibly the last, but I don't think it's the last because I think the Earth is this divine tool. From my perspective, it's this divine tool that does all these cycles for us, and then when it gets ready to graduate, it graduates a piece of its own self into a higher place with us who are ready to do it on it. And then it goes back to its lower self where it picks up more volunteers, more of those who feel called to come and play.

[Mayim Bialik]

So in terms of the evolution, when we think of the formation or the creation of human beings, the evolution, it could have been that the Earth had just wiped itself clean from one of its cycles and there was a whole world before that, maybe multiple times over and over and over again. And we're just seeing a tiny glimpse into the past.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

It's described as epochs, that these big periods are epochs or epoch. And these epochs could be, you know, 40,000 years, they could be 4 million years, they could be just very large numbers. You know, on a little tangent, you can do a little studying into the Syrian list of kings and see kings that lived for like 30, 40,000 years recorded. You know, that's either really hard work on a board sculptor, or actual dictation. Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You've talked a little bit about a few of the lessons in their entirety. What, what you were walked through was 10 lessons, correct?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

10 lessons, yep.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And these were things that once you came back, you were able to start articulating?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Right?

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah. And I didn't even know there was 10 until we wrote the book.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Right.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

When we wrote the book, my co author, slash real author, he. He's like, dude, there's 10 principles here. I'm like, really? No. He's like, repeat them, tell same out loud. So I did. And he's like, look, that's 10. And I just never dawned on me that there was 10 very strong principles in there.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So the first was be authentic.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

The second is understand the Purpose of life. The third is love everyone.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

That was the big one. Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

The fourth is listen to your inner voice. The fifth is use technology responsibly, which actually is less about technology, but more about how you can open up your ability to receive the kind of energy and information you want.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Right? Yes. I want to go back to just that inner voice one real quick.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah, for sure.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

So I knew I had an inner voice. I had heard it. There was times where, you know, as abused kids, the demand performance to deliver the performance that your abuser needs. You would just know things. It was almost like a, you know, a quantum consciousness. You would just grab it out of and do it, and it would be the exact right thing. And even as a kid, I could pass almost any test without studying one minute, Especially as a multiple choice. I could usually get an 80% or higher and get that 80%, not even reading the questions. And that was just part of my, you know, I called it my inner voice or my intuition. But I thought everybody had it like that. But as I got older, I realized not a lot do, but we all do have that intuition. It's really strong in us when we're little. That's why as kids, they know and mom and dad are suffering, and they come over and offer solace, you know, without us asking them. They just feel it. They have a very strong inner voice. And to me, what it is, they're plugged into that quantum field very strongly. And then as we get more unplugged from that field and more plugged into the distraction of life here, that's when that inner voice gets smaller and smaller, and that's the technology, you know, for us. When I was really young, technology was like the movie theater or an Atari or a Nintendo 64 or original Nintendo. It's like that was technology to me as a kid. But now it's insane, because even back then, you could still have religion, where you would turn to your source morning and night and then still have your technology. But now where is your technology? It's in the place of source. Because when you wake up, it's right there. When you're about to go to bed, it's right there. So this becomes our new God, and that's what he was talking about. And Again, this is 2003, and that was not a place where this was possible.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Sure.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I mean, even, like, blackberries were not a thing. Yet some people are using Palm Pilots a lot. And it's just if they had a

[Jonathan Cohen]

holster, you couldn't trust them.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah, the holster would always break. And then people were still using beepers back then in 2003, there was always that one odd person had like five beepers. And it's just like that's where you get the drugs. Yeah. You know, it's, I didn't understand it then. And of course over time that's digested really well and that, that technology becomes an enemy to the inner voice. And it does. And you know what's sad is it also becomes an enemy to our relationships. It does. When you see a family sitting down for dinner, texting each other, you know, quibs and comments and not using even the connection, it's like, why even fake like you're connecting then? But yet everyone says, well, technology brings the whole world right to your doorstep. It does. By putting you inside a hermit's cave. Even, even if you're surrounded by loved ones, you're in a hermit cave. With technology, it keeps you from your own emotions.

[Jonathan Cohen]

After technology release prejudice.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

That one is a whopper for me.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah, talk a little bit about.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

I grew up with two Asian sisters who, you know, a predominantly Caucasian community. They were made fun of. They, I would get, I was, I was much younger than them, but it didn't stop me from trying to get in fights with boys twice my size because they were making fun of my sisters. And you know, I, I felt like that was God giving me these amazing gifts. And I, I love my sisters, I love my birth sister, but also my adopted sisters. And, and I love my brother too, which I'll talk about more later. But I knew that I didn't have prejudice. I just felt it. I'm like Drake, I don't have prejudice. We can just move on. And as soon as he said that he goes, hmm, I love that you think that Vinny, but what do you think about prejudiced people? And I just, I remember rising up my energy and I started to like boil my energy and I noticed our progress almost halted right there because you

[Jonathan Cohen]

were moving with him.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Boiling my energy, getting upset. And I said I hate prejudiced people. They're so close minded, they're so ignorant. They don't understand people, they need to grow up. And he showed me in a little cartoon in my mind that I was cartoon Vinnie on non prejudice side. And as I started to like ra ra ra, he like lifted me up and brought me over to prejudice side and put me down and he showed me like sit down. Sad that if I was going to hate prejudice people then I was prejudice. I don't have to agree with them, but I'm not supposed to hate them energetically. It's because it itself is prejudice. So you can't be anti prejudice and not be prejudice. Just even though we can, you know, align. Like let's not have prejudice, let's have love. Love and embracement. That. That rules out all prejudice. Right. And. And so that was a big one for me. And as soon as I accepted it though, I felt that momentum come back. And we are moving again. Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

So it sounds like every time you hear a truth or are able to soak something in, there's like movement there.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yes.

[Mayim Bialik]

Moving.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

And it's almost like velocity. Go. As soon as I just accept that it's possible. And again, just like Drake had said, I didn't have to believe it was my truth, but I needed to believe that it itself was possibly true.

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, it reminds me of how things operate here. There's a parallel. Like the more we say something is totally unsubstantiated or I can't believe something, or my mind is closed, or I'm fighting the signs that the universe is giving me, I'm in resistance and I'm like putting the brakes on and life kind of grinds to a halt versus I open my mind a little bit. I may not agree with everything, but if I'm able to explore it, all of a sudden I'm moving.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jonathan Cohen]

The other lessons were exercise the power of creation, which is our thoughts.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Anything we think we can create. And if we think and put our thoughts behind something long enough, the rest of our physical energy will join in and then we can actually create it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Avoid negative influences and understand the purpose of evil.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Yeah, the negative influences are something that lower our vibration. And when we have a low vibration, we feel sad, we feel depressed, our cortisol levels go up. I mean, it's, it's predominantly bad everywhere in this world right now. And that's because there's so much negative. I have a client that is our content director for a major cable. And he was telling me that his calls from high up and his corporation have said like, we need this many violent movies, we need this many dramas with no hope and no, no positive outcomes. We need to have sex, drugs and rock and roll and so many of these movies this month. And he says it's weird because the months that have religious holidays and doesn't matter the religion, they double down with more negative. And then the, the, the seasons where you already have a lot of negative stuff out there, like October, you know, all your Halloween stuff, it's Everywhere, right? So then on Halloween, it goes to more the kid, happy, friendly stuff, right? And then Christmas, you get both. You get lots of good. And then as soon as it goes night, they gotta sprinkle in, like the Christmas horror movies, Right? And it's really interesting that there's an actual directive to the directors who are choosing these programs.

[Mayim Bialik]

So when we think that our reality is being influenced by the media around us, even if we're not actively watching it, we're seeing the thumbnails, we're seeing the movie titles. If you're scrolling on TV or if you're looking on a subscription channel, all of that stuff that's being actively placed is controlling how we feel about the world around us.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Well, think about this. Every show on tv, every show, and a lot of the shows that you have on your phone, including on YouTube, have a script writer. Even the reality shows, mostly the reality shows, they all do. And even the live on the street ones have script writers.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah, there's a narrative, you know, that's

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

why they call it his story. But, you know, if you went to an earlier epoch, they called it her story.

[Jonathan Cohen]

The last lesson that you learned was know that we are all one. Talk a little bit about this final lesson. And I also just want to mention, I mean, get this book, because each of these lessons has so many important details. Like, I can't even. I mean, I can't do it justice. But I just. I wanna. I just wanna encourage people to read through each of them because there's so many tidbits, there's so many things in every single lesson that it's really mind blowing. But I want you to talk about the last one because I want you to then take us into how you said goodbye to Drake and what happened next.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Well, I'll step in with that last. We're all one and the one. Right before that purpose of evil, I had an uncle that was an atheist. And he was 10 times closer to me than my own father. I loved that man more than I could love any man in this world. As a kid, he would come and save me from my life for a week or a month, or fly me out to his place and we go literally swim with dolphins in a. In a rehabilitation tank. And, you know, he was a geologist and he really was an inspiring male figure for me. And at this moment, I'm hearing there's purpose and evil, and I'm like, well, what about my Uncle Chuck? He hated you. He hated God. He hated all of this, because how could. If there was A God. How could he allow these bad things to happen? And Drake showed me. He said that if we come here and we don't have evil as a choice, there's no reason to come. It's like if. How can you build muscle without tearing the muscle? It's the tear that builds the muscle. And for our souls, we have to come to a place where we can choose between good and evil. But when you remove evil as an option, there is no choice. And that's how it was before we came here. When we're with our Source, we're at such a high vibration. Anything Source wants, we're already wanting unanimously with our source. So there's no differentiation. We have to leave home, we have to go to college, we have to go to Earth school just to figure out who we are, what we are. And we have to choose. And yes, that means some of us choosing evil. But it's important for us to have that choice. Now. The sad thing is, the more evil you see, the more evil there is impregnating the society and systems that are portraying themselves as not evil. So in history, when you see really evil characters popping up in history, they're showing up like a pimple to the underlying problem. And that's what also brings around the allied forces, the alignment, the unification. Because there is this supreme villain everyone wants to get rid of. And so there's this unification that comes. So evil does a lot of good at the same time as it does do bad. It does. But there's good in us that happens because that evil, and especially when we make it happen, never again, when we say, not while I'm alive, I will stand up. I will make sure that never happens again.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That's heavy. It's heavy because of where the world is now.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

Oh, yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And it's heavy because of, you know, it's not a political statement, but it's heavy because there's a tremendous amount of confusion right now over who's the good guy and who's the bad guy.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

By design. By design, everyone, no matter what team you're on, you think the other team is the demon devil. And doesn't matter what team. And what's sad is we, that's telling us, go outsource all your solutions to these crazy whack jobs way out here on both sides of life. Don't go to the common center where 98% of you are. Yeah, you could draw a line in the middle, but even that line, a lot of you flex back and forth on certain things. So 98% of us are common with that. We want to raise families or have families or have freedom to have families if we want, or to raise kids or not raise kids if we want, but have a life and have the ability to live that life on our own, on our own terms. And that's the basic fundamentals of living on Earth. And yet you get that almost everywhere, except for maybe a few countries, but yet this chaos is everywhere. And rather than wake up to this common light that we all have, we're enamored with the gods we pray to. Yeah,

[Jonathan Cohen]

we're going to hit pause here on our conversation with Vincent Todd Tolman, but the second episode with Vinnie is one that you cannot miss. He's taken us through all of these incredible lessons that he learned, but we now need him to take us back to the real world. What was it like to wake up? What did he experience? How did it feel? He actually thought he was going crazy and went down an entire path of maybe I've lost my mind. How did he reel that back in? What was the thing that convinced him that everything he experienced was not only real, but something he needed to pass on to the rest of the world? We'll hear all of that in part two, from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.

[Vincent Todd Tolman]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Vincent Todd Tolman]

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