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Welcome to Meet the Press. Now I'm Kristen Welker in Washington, where the president's economic agenda is once again in the spotlight with less than four months until the midterms as his administration announces new tariffs on dozens of countries while the war with Iran rages on, driving up energy costs and threatening global shipping traffic. The military conflict between the US and Iran continues to escalate, with the US launching more attacks on Iran, making it 13 straight days of military strikes and President Trump telling Axios he's weighing a, quote, massive attack on although we should note he's threatened major attacks before. Moments ago, President Trump was asked about that potential escalation and whether there is in fact an off ramp.
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Here's how he answered Iran what is the exit strategy?
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
Well, I think there's a lot of them. There's a military exit where we just keep going just the way we are and we can even make it a heavier dose and it's knocking out everything they have or there's a smarter strategy and that's you make a deal and they want to make a deal. I just don't think they're ready yet. But they do want to make a deal. You know, we're prepared to do that. As you know, we're locked and loaded. We're locked and loaded and ready to go. But we're talking to them. So I think while we're talking, we'll see what comes of it. I think they're being serious.
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I think.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
I think they are being by far the most serious that we've seen them. But that doesn't mean we get there. We'll see what happens.
Kristen Welker
Iran also not backing down. Launching retaliatory strikes on US Allies in the Gulf region overnight. Tehran doubling down on its strategy to disrupt water days, waterways vital for global commerce in both the Strait of Hormuz and the Red Sea. The country's foreign minister posting on social media, quote, the mindless aggression they referring to officials in the Trump administration advocate will only ensure that POTUS pays a heavier price for a deadline he's trying to achieve. The price of gas continues to climb. The average cost per gallon hitting $4.11 today, the highest it's been in six weeks. Some Republican senators on Capitol Hill trying to grapple with the rising costs while maintaining their support for the president.
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Oil is very, very high. In Missouri yesterday, the average gas price was 378. Diesel is much higher than that. Those are very high prices. Obviously, the president shares those concerns. So I think to draw this to a close, we need to get both straits, the Red Sea and the Strait of Hormuz open, and we've got to get energy prices down.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
If they get a nuclear weapon, there's
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no place in this country that's safe.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
This person said that's not going to happen under his watch. Now, does anybody want to go to war? Nobody wants to go to war. Does anybody want to have high gas prices?
Correspondent/Reporter
Nobody wants high gas prices, but nobody
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
wants to be killed by nuclear weapons. What I'm seeing for people is they are concerned about energy prices. We get it. But I'm also seeing a lot of support for the need to address Iran, make sure they don't have a nuclear
Richard Engel
nuclear weapon, and that they can't continue
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
to be the number one sponsor, state sponsor of terror in the world. And so it is tougher right now
Kristen Welker
in terms of prices at the pump. All this coming as the US Trade Representative announced a new wave of tariffs on 60 countries that are now in effect, including on some of America's closest trading partners. It comes after the Supreme Court, of course, struck down most of the president's tariffs earlier this year that were imposed under an emergency Powers act. The administration using a different legal authority this time citing concerns about forced labor. Joining me now is NBC News White House correspondent Monica Alba, NBC News business and data correspondent Brian Chung, NBC News senior national Security correspondent Courtney Kuby, and NBC News Chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel. Thanks to all of you for starting us off. Monica, let me start with you. What were your key takeaways from what we heard in the Oval Office? The president saying that he is locked and loaded and ready to go, which
Monica Alba
is something we have heard repeatedly throughout this now months long conflict, Kristen, but certainly with a sense of urgency here because of the president's own words about the fact that it's possible he could launch a massive attack on Iran that the US has not launched before. According to him, those were his own comments to Axios. And today he was asked whether he has made a decision on whether he's going to go forward with that, whether he will or won't. And he said that he hasn't made that decision yet, that he's going to continue to evaluate that and that he could go in that direction or he could still go in some kind of a negotiated diplomatic direction in what he would call a smaller route, a smaller path instead of the big potentially quote, massive attack here. But he was also asked pretty pointedly whether these threats that he's been making against bridges, against power plants and infrastructure would constitute a war crime. And he said that he didn't want to address that. He didn't want to answer that specifically, which also stood out to me because those are the threats he's making on social media every day that he's saying he could potentially be going to next while still arguing that top members of his administration, his vice president, his secretary of state and some of his other key aides are still in some negotiations behind the scenes through mediators that we haven't really seen any progress on that front in recent days.
Megan Hayes
Kristen.
Kristen Welker
You know, Monica, earlier this week, Secretary Pete Hegseth confirmed during a Senate hearing that Russia and China, he said, were in fact aiding Iran in in this war. What more are your sources telling you about that?
Monica Alba
Yeah, and specifically he said that they were enabling that. And when the president was asked about that today, he said, no, I'm not so sure whether China or Russia are enabling that. In fact, he said he trusts President Putin and President Xi and that he doesn't believe that they are willingly helping Iran, even though he conceded that certainly weapons could get into the wrong hands, could be sold to Iran. And he said nothing major is coming from either of those two. Maybe There are some minor things, and of course, that is what critics have seized on because it does appear, according to our own reporting, that that is a major area of concern. If that is the kind of help potentially that Iran is getting, that specifically is damaging to the United states and to U.S. service members. Those critics say that that should be something that the US Is more worried about and speaking out against more forcefully.
Kristen Welker
Kristen and Monica, just finally, I want to put up a recent FOX News poll out this week on which breaks down people's disapproval of this war by category. Overall, 73%, Monica, of respondents say they disapprove of the president's handling of the war with Iran. That's 96% of Democrats, Republicans at 43%, independents critical, of course, in the midterms in any election cycle at 83%. Are these numbers having any type of an impact on the president and his thinking? We know publicly he said that they aren't.
Monica Alba
Yeah, exactly. I think the president is maybe one of the only people saying that publicly. Privately, you do have White House officials very cognizant of where this could continue to head since those numbers have been trending in the wrong direction for the White House only as this conflict goes on and since there doesn't seem to be an immediate exit strategy here, as the president was asked today, that does continue to be a topic of concern for them and one that they would admit they're watching very carefully because, of course, you just get closer and closer to the midterm elections. Now that we are about 100 days out from them. That is something that they are watching closely. But it's the president who leads on that messaging, and he's the one saying he's not worried about it. In fact, he's pretty dismissive of it
Kristen Welker
whenever he is asked, one administration official telling me he remains steadfast. All right, Monica Alba, thank you so much for starting us off. Really appreciate it. Brian Chung, let me turn to you. Let's talk about those tariffs that were announced overnight. What are the implications, particularly given the fact that they are hitting a number of the United States closest trading partners?
Brian Chung
Yeah, we're getting a little bit of deja vu from the Rose Garden announcement last April, but this new round of tariffs is a little bit different. I'll walk you through the changes here. First off, the rates are significantly lower and it's kind of a blanket tariff, 10 to 12 and a half percent on 60 trade partners. That includes our big partners to the north and south, like Canada and Mexico. It also covers the United Kingdom and the European Union. And this is being done under what they call Section 301, which is a law in which the US can, can kind of levy these tariffs if there's concerns about forced labor. And I should point out there's a lawsuit from the Liberty justice center that is arguing that this is not really a part of the remit for that law and that there wasn't a clear link between the need for these tariffs and the condition of forced labor, which the SJC does say is an actual issue. And now I should point out when we talk about the countries that are being impacted by this, it's different because under the Rose Garden announcement that I referenced at the top here, that was of course overturned by SCOTUS earlier this year, there were these industry specific tariffs like steel and aluminum that are active. They're still in place. They were imposed last year. There has not been any sort of legal strikedown of that. There was a global 10% that the President put in under section 122 after the Supreme Court struck this down. And now here we are with these Section 301 tariffs that the President put into effect to make sure that that lapse didn't happen where the tariffs dropped and it had to be stood back up again. So again, the President has had to turn to many legal avenues to try to keep these tariffs in place because of these legal challenges. And now there's another one. Who knows how long this will stay, but at least for right now, 10 to 12 and a half percent, those are the tariffs that we're looking at right now.
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Kristen.
Kristen Welker
Well, and I see on your list, Brian, Brazil, Canada, new tariffs announced against those countries this week as well. What are the implications? What does it signal about the overall tariff strategy?
Brian Chung
Yeah, let's zoom in on both of those countries because Brazil and Canada, these were kind of surprises based off of tariff experts that I've been speaking with this week. They were expecting those blanket tariffs on those 60 countries, but they didn't expect such a sharp vitriol against these specific trading partners. Brazil, 25% tariff on apparel, ethanol, wood products, farm machinery, still exempt right now. Are some of these products that we would get at the grocery store, like beef and coffee. So you should not expect to see large impacts there. Canada, this is one that's being proposed under what is a novel way of trying to impose these tariffs, that section 338. Again, we'll see if that legally holds up as well. It doesn't begin until August 19th, but this would cover things like alcohol Dairy products, hockey sticks, very iconic to Canadian trade, cement as well. This would not include energy products, fish, critical minerals, potash, which is a major export into the to the United States. But 50%, Kristen, that is a huge amount and probably part of the negotiation tactic as they try to get USMCA redone.
Kristen Welker
Yeah, it certainly is. Do we have a sense at this point, Brian, just how much these tariffs are costing Americans?
Brian Chung
Well, we have an estimate from the Yale Budget Lab. They say that this could cost Americans eleven hundred dollars. Ann, at the current rate, that is a lot of money, especially when you consider gas prices are high right now, as you were just talking about with Monica. And also, don't forget, interest rates are also nudging higher. Bond yields are going higher, mortgage rates are going higher because of expectations that the Fed is going to have to raise interest rates to tamp down on inflation. That means borrowing costs are more expensive as the prices at the pump are higher and as tariffs threaten to eat into your budget.
Kristen Welker
All right, Brian Chung with all the economic angles. Brian, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Courtney. Kibby, let me turn to you here on set. As always, Ways so the United States now on day 13 of consecutive days of strikes against Iran. Is it your expectation, based on your conversations, that this tempo is going to continue? Is it going to escalate? What are you watching for?
Announcer
Yeah, I think it's going to continue. We'll see the same sorts of targets that the US Military will go after. What's kind of notable, though is we've not seen Iranian activity in the Strait of Hormuz for several days. So remember, the whole idea behind these military strikes is it's supposed to be in retaliation for Iranian activity in the Strait of Hormuz going after commercial shipping and trying to degrade their ability to do so. So the real question is how much longer does this have to go? It appears that it is having an impact on Iran's ability to go after ships on a daily basis already.
Kristen Welker
You know, it's interesting, when I interviewed President Trump several weeks ago, I asked him about the force posture, the troop posture in the region, he signaled they were not going to scale it back. What does it currently look like? Do you have a sense that more troops are going to be sent in?
Announcer
So there's replacement troops that are still going in? There has been decrease in the US Military presence even throughout the cease fire. It's well over 50,000. Some of those troops were replaced. And then notably during that cease fire, the US Was able to sort of refill their Stockpiles. So, I mean, they are. If in fact the President does want to really escalate this, they have what they need to keep doing. So now if it goes on for weeks or even months, that's when we start getting into the problems with the stockpiles that we've been talking about, the potential for both defensive munitions and then some of these longer range offensive systems.
Kristen Welker
And I have to ask you, there was a big back and forth. We of course had the Horrific news that four U.S. service members were killed this week. You were there covering the dignified transfer ceremony. And now confusion about how those deaths are actually being counted. What can you tell us? What's the takeaway?
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This has been confusing from the beginning. So you'll remember that initially the two soldiers who were first identified as being killed in Jordan last week, they were listed as being killed in Operation Inherent Resolve, which is the counter ISIS mission, despite the fact that President Trump himself said that they died trying to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. So they were initially put into this Pentagon database. It's called the Defense Casualty Assessment System, dcas. It tracks all combat casualties, hostile and non hostile, going back to World War I. They were initially listed under Operation Epic Fury then and as recently as Wednesday they were listed in there. It was 18 total deaths. Somewhere at some point yesterday they were taken out. Now it's 14. I just checked it before I came on set and it's still listed at 14. We keep asking the Pentagon what's going on here. Last night they told us it was some sort of a data issue and it was a temporary thing, but it's been about 24 hours and it's still not fixed and it's still not clear. I mean, this, look, this, this may seem bureaucratic to some of our viewers here and in some ways it is, but it does have real world implications for these individuals, for their families when it comes to things as poignant and personal as what will be written on their headstone. The conflict that you are killed in is written on the headstone. And so Candleee, Kristen, we don't really know what happened here. The Pentagon has completely stopped responding to our requests for what's happening.
Kristen Welker
Well, it's such important context. Court, I know you're going to continue to stay on top of us. Let us know if there's any update. We really appreciate your reporting as always. Richard Engel, let me turn to you. What is the latest that your sources are telling you about the fact that there have now been 13 consecutive days of strikes from the United States against Iran. Is this escalating? Is this an inflection point?
Richard Engel
Richard,
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I've been speaking to several senior Arab leaders today, people who are representatives, senior representatives of countries directly involved in this conflict. And I'm sensing frustration from them. They don't know where this is going. They don't see an off ramp. They're not seeing diplomatic progress. They're frustrated with President Trump's near daily threats of, of escalation. They're frustrated that the Strait of Hormuz remains effectively closed, that there is now an issue and a potential closure of the Red Sea after the Houthis attacked those two Saudi ships. And they are worried about the future and their economies. You talked about the human cost that, that Americans are bearing, the four service members who were recently killed before that, the cost of this war that Americans are feeling at the pump all across the region. They are bearing enormous economic costs. Investors are not going to the Gulf in the same way because of the recent threats, the threats that President Trump made yesterday and then apparently backed off on a short while. So flights across the region were cancelled, many airlines diverted flights. So there are real consequences. It is very difficult for people to plan their future. Expatriates who move to the Gulf for lifestyle, for tax reasons, for whatever reason, are changing their minds. They're leaving the countries, countries like the uae. So this war has been incredibly disruptive for the entire region. Just here in Israel, for example, yesterday, the Israeli government authorized bomb shelters to be reopened in several cities to prepare the public for a possible escalation. That sends a message to the public that perhaps things are ramping up again. So there are real costs and there is this feeling of a potential war that doesn't have a clear end game. I spoke to one of these senior Arab officials. He said that it gets crazier every day and that they have no idea where this is going. So not, not a great sense of, of optimism for a war that many in the Middle east, many in Israel, many in the Arab Gulf states, thought would be quick, thought would have succeeded regime change in Iran, and which is proving to be much more costly, much more unpredictable and much longer than they anticipate.
Kristen Welker
Well, Richard, to that very point, President Trump has consistently said, the Iranians are desperate to make a deal, they want to make a deal. And then this week, he changed his language around that and started to say, actually, they don't want to make a deal. What is the gut check that you are getting from your conversations? And is it, are we basically witnessing Iran waiting out this Political cycle, Richard.
Correspondent/Reporter
It's also what are the stakes? So a deal, yes, Iran certainly was, does want to make a deal. But Iran wants to make a deal in which it has a degree of control, if not total control of the Strait of Hormuz, which is something that the United States and many countries, by the way, have said is totally unacceptable. It would be a violation of the law of the sea. It would change the status of what was an open end international waterway. But Iran also has much more to lose. This is a war that was launched by the United States and Israel. Iran didn't start this war and it was launched with the idea of regime change. President Trump said that he was going to destroy the Iranian civilization. There's been numerous threats made against Iran. The supreme leader of the country was assassinated. So in many ways, Iran is fighting for its survival. And when you are fighting for your survival, when you're backed in a corner, it is not a war of choice. When you are fighting a war of choice, your tolerance for pain, your tolerance for suffering is very different. So I think they're looking at this, the two sides are looking at this from very different perspectives. The Iranians believe if they stop fighting, they could lose power, they could lose their lives. The military could be dissolved, evolved. Whereas I think the Gulf states thought this would be, and Israel and the United States thought this would be a quick and easy war. And it's proven not to be. But they don't have as much to risk at stake. They're not risking nearly as much.
Kristen Welker
Well, it's really important insight and reporting. Richard Engel as always in Jerusalem. Please continue to stay safe. Richard, great to see you as always. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Joining me now is retired Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan, former commander of the US Fifth Fleet, now a distinguished military fellow at the Middle East Institute. Thank you so much for joining us, Vice Admiral. We really appreciate it.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
That's good to be with you again.
Kristen Welker
Well, it's wonderful to have you to help us understand this incredibly complex moment in which the United States finds itself. As We've been reporting 13 consecutive days now of strikes against Iran. What do you make of this moment?
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
Hey, Kristen, you, you had a great word that you used. You said inflection point a little bit ago. And, and, and I want to key on that because I try to make my assessments and, and analysts, I mean, I'm sorry in my, and analyze this by looking at what's happening as opposed to what's being said. Right. There's a lot being said on both sides. And part of that is posturing. But what I see is that, you know, the United States sent recently a deal over to the Iranians via Iraq, and it was outright rejected by, by the Iranians. So that's number one. The other thing I see is the US has moved forces to the region. Not just forces to replenish what was there, but additional forces to the region. And I see a frustration on the US side that, you know, these 13 days of attacks that we've done have been, as was discussed in direct response to Iran attacking ships. And every time we, we retaliated because they were attacked ships, they would go attack or try to attack again another ship. And I think that that's, you know, that's getting this administration closer to that tipping point that you're talking about. And so, so that's what I see. I see this exactly what was just being discussed, that the two sides are looking at this in a different way. And for the Iranian side, it's not the Iranian people that are making the decision, it's the. Which is very much a hard line and they believe they can stay the course and they don't care about the impacts on their people.
Kristen Welker
To that point, we've heard President Trump threaten to escalate even further to start to hit civilian infrastructure. What do you think would prompt such a response? And is escalation the only way to bring this war to an end, or do you think a negotiated settlement is possible at this point?
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Point?
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
Well, interesting. The MOU has failed, right, Christine? So, but it's failed in, in, in terms of a ceasefire. It, it still allowed this path for negotiations, so that's still there. I believe the ultimate solution is diplomacy, but I, I do think that we're on a potential path to escalation for the reasons that I talked about before. So you know that that's how I see it. Yes. Diplomacy is the answer here. Now, escalation, if it happens, expect it to be much higher intensity than what you're seeing, a much broader target set than what you've seen, seen before, and expect it to be, you know, more impactful in terms of, more broader, something more along the lines what you saw when the conflict had Israel in it, although this one likely won't have Israel in it. But that doesn't mean it's going to drive the Iranians to a table. For the reasons that I said before, only time's going to tell if that can happen.
Kristen Welker
How do you think, if you were inside the administration, if you were advising the president Right now, for example, what would your counsel be in terms of trying to lower the temperature and getting these two sides back to the negotiating table?
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
Because I think one of the key things that's important going forward for diplomacy to work is to, is, is to involve more of the international community in this along the lines of this common denominat or free flow of commerce. Because we're seeing the Red Sea threatened, we're seeing the Straits of Hormuz threatened and understand necessarily that those nations can't necessarily pitch in, in the kinetic side of the business potentially. But they certainly should be aligned to the common understanding that the impact on the global supply chain, on energy flow is, is a global problem. And we don't want to set a precedent that a non nation state like the Houthis or a nation state like Iran can choke off these critical supply lines. So I think that's a key way to raise this up to an even higher level on the diplomatic size. Certainly you don't want to back down on your threat to use forces that has a deterrent value in and of itself that we're seeing. And you do have to degrade Iranians capability to attack. If they're refusing to attack, you've got to blunt that in some way.
Kristen Welker
All right, Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan, thank you so very much for your expertise, your insights. Please come back, join us again soon. We really appreciate it.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
Thanks, Christine.
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Ben Kamasar
It's pretty significant. I mean, look, kind of throw the 2024 contest out for the Democrats because it wasn't really contested to 2020. You started with two lily white states, Iowa, New Hampshire, certainly places that had a lot of fans for retail politics, for being able to reach rural communities. But they were lilywright electorates in a party that was counting on Hispanic Democrats, black Democrats, other voters of color as the major piece of the puzzle for them. And so what this move kind of does right now is it makes those states, South Carolina and Nevada, to right at the front. And ultimately it's going to mean that the candidates that want that early momentum will have to do well with those voters, which is a little bit of a shift. You know you think about President Joe Biden when he won in 2020. He did very poorly in the first two contests, Iowa and New Hampshire. Ultimately, his race, his candidacy was saved by South Carolina. So there's going to be a lot of strategic decisions made because of this flip of the calendar. It's going to be interesting to see how this affects the open nomination.
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It is.
Kristen Welker
And Ben, we should clarify for folks, is this etched in stone at South Carolina? Could it change between now and 2020?
Ben Kamasar
It's written in pen, not pencil. Right. Anything can happen technically. You know, there are some questions here about New Hampshire. New Hampshire has a state law that says it has to hold the first con nominating contest. So any similar type. So there's questions about what this means for New Hampshire. New Hampshire hasn't said whether or not it's going to follow this. It held a rogue primary in 20. No one really cared because again, President Biden was the only Democrat really running. You know, I mean, a serious Democrat running with a serious chance of winning nomination. Excuse me, but, you know, we'll have to see what happens, whether or not New Hampshire ends up following going through with this or whether there are some, you know, unique wrinkles down the road or questions that need to get answered.
Kristen Welker
So another interesting aspect to this, the DNC also expanded the number of states having primaries before Super Tuesday. Ben, who made the cut there? What are you watching?
Ben Kamasar
Yes. So, you know, it's usual suspects in that first three. You've got South Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire. And then a fresh face, New Mexico. A lot of folks were surprised to see that New Mexico made the cut here, New Mexico, then followed by Michigan and Virginia. So we went from having four states in that early window to six states in the early window, getting some additional coverage from the west and from the south, which when I spoke with reporters here, spoke with Chairman Ken Martin, he said it was an emphasis for the party to kind of skate where Nepal is going in the south and the population growth compared to some of these other states that you're seeing across the country that are losing population. And so the argument here was to go to the regions that population is growing and hopefully expand the Democratic foothold there.
Kristen Welker
All right, Ben Hamesar, thank you so much for being there. Thanks for your great reporting and perspective. We really appreciate it. Coming up next, NBC News travels to the southern border with Texas Democratic Senate candidate James Talarico as he seeks to become the first Democrat to win a statewide election in Texas in more than 30 years. Can he do it? Stay with us on Meet the Press now.
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Welcome back. The issue of immigration helped propel Donald Trump to the White House. And now Senate candidate James Talarico is hoping it can help him in deep red Texas, where Democrats haven't won statewide in more than 30 years. Talarico visited the border earlier this month to unveil his border security plan, criticizing both the Trump administration, the Biden administration's border policies as well. It comes as a new Fox News poll shows Democrats nationally have scratched their way back to basically even with voters on which party would do a better job on immigration. Republicans held an eight point advantage as recently as April. NBC News correspondent Ryan Chandler traveled with Talarico to the border and has more on his campaign.
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The American people are not asking for a lot.
Ryan Chandler
We met James Talarico in Terrell County, Texas, an hour from the nearest grocery store, a world away from Washington. But here in the desolate Texas borderlands, the epicenter of a debate reshaping national
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politics, both parties have failed us on our border.
Ryan Chandler
Talarico came here to take Democrats back on office defense on an issue that propelled President Trump to a generational win along the border.
Kristen Welker
Thank you, Texas.
Richard Engel
Thank you.
Ryan Chandler
In 2024, Trump carried 14 of Texas's 18 border counties, many shifting by more than 20 points, one flipping for the first time since the 1800s.
Correspondent/Reporter
You know, I've called out President Biden and his administration for the chaos that they caused along our southern border border. And so it was understandable that folks here in these communities were looking for an alternative.
Ryan Chandler
The breakout Democratic star campaigning here on a border security agenda that's heavy on bolstering Border patrol, hardening the border, and creating pathways to legalization for undocumented people. From this town of just 600, the audience was the nearly 19 million voters of Texas.
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And I think what most Americans want is a common sense approach to border security.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
That's not what we have now.
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I think it's what most Texans want, and they're frustrated that they can't seem to get that from either party.
Ryan Chandler
The message has earned him some unlikely allies.
Kristen Welker
People here are conservative, and not just Terrell County. It's even in Brewster county and Presidio County. I mean, you're going to see a
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mixture, but people are conservative.
Ryan Chandler
And few people know this land and its interests better than Terrell County's Republican sheriff Thaddeus Cleveland. What do you think when you look at this vast land?
Kristen Welker
Well, for me, I think of home.
Ryan Chandler
Sheriff Cleveland is a lifelong conservative and a former Border patrol agent in charge of this area. He stood alongside Talarico and stopped short of a full endorsement. But he says in this part of the state, one issue is igniting a unanimous backlash against Trump's dhs.
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We don't need again offense.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
What we need, of course, is agents technology.
Ryan Chandler
As DHS pushes through a multi billion dollar plan to build a border wall through the nearly impassable Big Bend region, locals like Cleveland feel Republicans have abandoned them on the issue.
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To be honest with you, they don't
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want to come out, speak about it
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because they don't want to piss off Trump.
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God bless you and thank you for being here.
Ryan Chandler
But the same week, Republican candidate Ken Paxton did come down to the border, rallying voters in McAllen.
Richard Engel
My view on immigration is we need a secure border.
Ryan Chandler
Slamming Talarico's record on border security while also addressing the issue of affordability.
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I want you to know I'm about reducing costs, making your gas prices lower,
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reducing the cost of housing, and lowering your taxes.
Ryan Chandler
Both candidates making it clear they understand for border voters, their vote is about much more than just the border. The issues that matter here are the same issues that matter to everybody else.
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Affordability. You know, so many, many folks along the border are struggling, like all Texans, to afford the basics. Groceries, gas, utilities, prescription drugs, the things that we need to survive.
Ryan Chandler
Three hours down the Rio Grande, Eagle Pass was once the poster of the border crisis under President Biden. Now the river is quiet and we found the economy, the war with Iran and ice is top of mind.
Vice Admiral Kevin Donegan
Everybody's turning into Democrats right now because of the eyes the, the jobs and everything, the economy and all the things turning around.
Ryan Chandler
You think the border area will vote Democratic again this year?
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Yes, sir, I'm sure about that.
Ryan Chandler
A message that may be echoing up and down the Rio Grande. Do you see a Democrat like James Talarico having a chance to win this year?
Kristen Welker
I think so, definitely. And I hate to say I think so. Yes, he does. And our thanks to Ryan Chandler for that reporting. Coming up, there are growing concerns about the expanding outbreak of cycloposaurus. The CDC now confirming that the outbreak has extended to nine states with nearly 2,000 cases confirmed. Hundreds of other cases have been reported in states not linked to that massive outbreak, including New York, which has reported more than 600 cases since May, and North Carolina, which has reported more than 500. The FDA said last week that it believed the likely source is shredded iceberg lettuce from Taylor Farms, New Mexico. The company has voluntarily recalled the product. The CDC meanwhile, also reporting today that measles cases in the US have reached a 35 year high. More than 2300 cases were reported in the first seven months of the year. According to the CDC, 93% of infected people were not vaccinated. Still to come, security in the spotlight. The rescheduled White House correspondent's dinner is just hours away after an alleged assassin attempted President Trump to derail the event back in April. We're live at the Waldorf Astoria ahead of the big night for the president and the press. Keep it right here on MEET THE PRESS now. Welcome back. The White House is acknowledging it canceled billions of dollars in grants and funding for political purposes. The New York Times was first to report that the administration admitted to canceling grants specifically for energy products projects, I should say, to states that did not vote for the president. The admission was made in documents filed as part of a lawsuit brought University of California researchers challenging the termination of research grants. When the grants were canceled last October, the Trump administration claimed the move was designed to cut wasteful government spending. NBC's Gary Grumbach joins me now. We will get to that story about energy grants in just a moment. But first to the big story here in the nation's capital. You are outside the venue for tonight's rescheduled White House Correspondent respondents dinner. Gary, let's start with security. Of course, it's top of mind for everyone who's attending. Are there additional protocols in place and safety measures.
Richard Engel
I think the most obvious additional protocol is what you see behind me, which is an empty road, an empty Pennsylvania Avenue at rush hour in the middle of a Friday. This is one of the various security protocols that have been put in place. Roads are blocked for several blocks in several different directions. There are snowplows blocking, so vehicles cannot get through. We've seen United States Secret Service around, met potent police around. And the White House Correspondent center and White House Correspondent association has also hired a private security firm to ensure that the folks inside are safe. Because something that I really experienced when I was there in April was the fact that once the Secret Service left, they were gone. Right. And they were there to protect the protectees, not to protect all the guests inside the room. So that's certainly going to alleviate the fears. With that private security team in place, there's going to be about seven, about 700 people in, in there for the dinner. That is significantly less than what this dinner usually holds, which is closer to 3,000 people. But other than that, the dinner is going to be pretty much the same in terms of the programming. We're going to see the Oz Perlman. He's the mentalist. The president, of course, is expected to speak. And the White House press secretary previewed the President's speech by saying the speech will be a combination of unifying, yet vicious and serious, yet hilarious all at the same time, if you can imagine that. Of course, that'll be up to the folks in the room to decide if it's any of those things, Kristen.
Kristen Welker
Absolutely. Well, it's fascinating to hear about some of the new security protocols in place. Gary, Is part of the change of venue, trying to increase security. The fact that it's at the Waldorf Astoria, not the Hilton, is that a piece of it?
Richard Engel
So this is a smaller venue. Right. It fits a whole lot less people. It's also a venue that's incredibly familiar to the United States Egress Service because this used to be the Trump Hotel. And during the first Trump administration, he was there on almost a weekly basis for dinner, for lunches, for events. And so they are very familiar with how to get that man in and out of that building if they need to. Kristen.
Kristen Welker
All right, well, let's turn to the Trump administration's admission. What I was just talking about, the cancellation of those energy grants. Walk us through that. And the White House is being pretty candid about what was behind it.
Richard Engel
They are. This was uncovered in a lawsuit that was filed by University of California researchers who are trying to sue to stop the termination of their energy related grants. And the White House and the Trump administration writ large is coming out and pretty blatantly saying there's political influence in the decision that is being made here. They're saying there was 284 terminated grants that were from states that Kamala Harris won in 2024 and 340 non terminated grants, even though they were marked for termination, that were from states that Trump won. And these are grants for all over the country. There are things related to clean energy, related to greenhouse gases, all things that researchers are needing a little bit more money from that perhaps our university can't fully provide, but the federal government could. That's why they were asking for this money. And the Trump administration decided based on political leanings.
Kristen Welker
All right, Gary Grumbach, thank you so much for joining us. I'll see you a little bit later there at the dinner. Joining me now is our panel, Daniela Daniel Diaz, politics reporter for notice Megan Hayes, former special assistant to President Biden and Matt Gorman, Republican strategist and an NBC News contributor. Thanks to all of you for being here on this Friday. Daniela, let me start with you. And just the reaction you're hearing so far to the story that Gary was just reporting on the fact that the Trump administration has acknowledged canceling those energy grants.
Daniela Diaz
I mean, there were already some Democrats that spoke out against it. Patty Murray issued a statement saying this is just another example of the weaponization of government that we've seen the Trump administration have. And when I saw this story, I thought just another thing that is going to happen if House Democrats win the majority in November, that they're going to add to their list of things they plan to investigate and the Oversight committee against the Trump administration. I mean, this is not a surprise. This has always been a debate we've seen Trump have with blue state governors, with blue state mayors. He has these debates and it seems that he always is threatening to withhold funding. But they're admitting it.
Kristen Welker
Megan is Daniela. Right. That basically Democrats, if they were to win back the House, that they would stack this up. One of the things that they would invest.
Megan Hayes
Yeah. I mean, there's not going to be enough time to do all the investigations that the Democrats are going to want to do in the Oversight Committee for the next four years at that, if they're lucky enough to have that. But the problem here is there are Republicans that live in the states and there there are House races and other congressional races here that are our frontline members that are that Republicans need to protect and this is not going to play well for those, those members who are now. These are going to be campaign ads for them. And this is just one more short sighted thing that Donald Trump is looking at. He only thinks about himself. He's not thinking about the whole of the party and how this impacts the party writ large.
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Matt responds to that.
Matt Gorman
Yeah, I think they were, they're pretty candid when this was happening though too, because the context was important. It was October when Democrats were not funding the government and withholding pay from air traffic controllers and I believe TSA and the like. So I almost was like, let's just be honest about it and say, look, if you're going to squeeze air traffic control controllers, not pay them, okay, fine, we're going to play hardball on the other end. And I think too it was, they were doing this dance, I think Chris Wright was and others were saying, well, it wasn't really because of that. You're transparent about it. Say yes, unleash the funding for them and we'll undo the funding for you. It might have worked a little better.
Megan Hayes
And that's one thing, what Chris Wright said in his congressional testimony, is that now going to be called into question? Because I think in the story it was quoted that he said something that might not actually be true that the administration now has mentioned. So he's put himself in a position,
Matt Gorman
most truthful one when he said it in the Oval Office at the time. And I think they probably could have stuck with that.
Kristen Welker
You know, this all comes as we are tracking the war in Iran, Daniela, which probably is looming large than almost any larger than any other story, particularly over the midterms. President Trump this week threatening to escalate, particularly in the wake of those deaths of the four US Service members. The images of the president, the defense secretary at the dignified transfer this moment, the questions about whether this is in fact becoming a prolonged war. The president said it was going to be over in five to six weeks. Do you think that Republicans are getting concerned that they're past the point of being able to lower gas prices to turn the page on this?
Daniela Diaz
I remember talking to House Republicans at the beginning and they were always defending President Donald Trump and saying he's saying it's only going to be five, six weeks. Weeks. We believe him on that. We're standing by that. They can't really say that anymore. And when I talk to Republicans publicly, you know, on the record, they defend the Trump administration's decision. They say this is temporary when it comes to gas prices, that this is something that Americans have to deal with right now. But it's going to change once, you know, the war ends. But it doesn't seem like the war is ending anytime soon. It's going to be really difficult for them now that they're back in their home states, their home districts, which they left yesterday to explain this in town halls. When Americans are feeling this every day.
Kristen Welker
Yeah, Matt, five to six weeks here. We are approaching the fifth month of this conflict. What is at the center of the conversations you're having with your fellow Republicans in terms of the concern? Is it about the gas prices? Is it the gas prices are not going to come down in time? Is it the fact that the president promised not to get the US Into a foreign war and now here's one that's dragging out? There doesn't seem to be an offering.
Matt Gorman
Listening to Ken Paxton, I mean, he's of kind clearly even where he's talking about what promises to get gas prices down, he clearly even sees that showing up in polling too, I think also too, you know, in some respects, I think the strategy been hamstring by the markets. You talk to some Republicans, they just rather go all in to an extent and get this taken care of once and for all. Actually use some of the leverage we have on this where you know, sometimes this has been kind of done on the weekends when once markets close before markets open to try and, you know, game that a little bit. I think, I think to some extent going in, doing this once and for all kind of the right way to the extent you can, might actually do
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better in the long run.
Kristen Welker
What about that point, Megan? And that's part of the point that you hear President Trump saying, look, this has been a problem he would argue for 47 years. No US president has addressed this. He says, and I talked to a senior administration official this week who said he's steadfast in his belief that this is actually the right thing to do. Now, you can debate that point.
Daniela Diaz
Point.
Kristen Welker
But the fact that Democrats are saying, look, he doesn't have congressional approval, that's the crux of part of the argument that they're making. Is there a risk if in fact he is able to wrap up this war and walk away with a deal that deprives Iran of a nuclear weapon?
Megan Hayes
But is it regime change? Is it a nuclear weapon? Is it getting the straight open? What actually is he trying to do at this point? I think that the American people deserve to know. I think Democrats for sure would like to know what happening here because that hasn't really been clear. And all the American people are seeing is gas prices rising, the cost of food rising. And that is the problem here. So whether he goes all in or not, what, what are you going all in to do? And that is, I think, a large question that people have a question on their strategy.
Kristen Welker
You know, Daniela, Megan's raising a really interesting point, which is this idea about does the president still need to do a better job of explaining this to the American people? He gave a primetime address about this several months ago. Does he need to do another one?
Richard Engel
Yes.
Daniela Diaz
It seems that a lot of Americans don't really understand. You talk to the person on the street and say, why do you think we're in Iran, in a war with Iran, most people are not going to understand why that's happening unless they're, you know, not, they're not low information voters. They're reading the news. But it's still difficult to understand what President Donald Trump is doing in his initiative with this war. And he said over and over that it's going to end. It hasn't ended. It doesn't seem like it's going to end anytime soon. When he's talking about escalating and when Americans are feeling, feeling that, that pain at the gas pump, when they want to lower prices, they don't understand.
Kristen Welker
Matt, when's the date by which Republicans are saying those gas prices need to come down? Because initially it was.
Matt Gorman
That's a great question. I will say this. I think voters care about Iran in that it affects their gas prices. So he could give, he could give another Oval Office speech and sell the war in Iran. But if the gas price is still high, it's not going to magically bring people to his side of the, I believe. But that being said, if you can get an agreement or just get gas prices down some way, you don't then necessarily need to have this incredible case for Iran that people care about it because they see their gas prices. It's not some sort of, you know, theoretical sort of thing.
Ben Kamasar
Yeah.
Kristen Welker
Megan, let me ask you, because news for the Democrats today who have picked South Carolina as their first state to vote in the primary in 2028. So setting their sights on 2028. And they've also added early primaries, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Michigan. New Hampshire was certainly an interesting one. What do you make of this list? What do you make of the fact that South Carolina is now first not etched in stone, as Ben Kamasar would say, but etched in pen?
Megan Hayes
Look, I think this is extremely smart of the Democratic Party and makes a much more diverse landscape for voters. In 2020. We went to Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and then South Carolina. Joe Biden got fifth or fourth and then fourth or fifth in New Hampshire and then second and then one in South Carolina and became the nominee because that gave people a much more diverse coalition the opportunity to vote. And it makes, it makes it much more challenging for people on the far left to win in these primary states. They just won't have the same support that they do amongst the broader diverse coalition. I think it's great.
Matt Gorman
More importantly, it cements black women as the backbone of the Democratic Party. And so if you're somebody, maybe a certain former vice president who's looking at maybe running against again, Kamala Harris, you got to say that things are lining up well for you to run again.
Kristen Welker
Daniela, what do you make of what happened this development today? Again, 2028, we're still on 2026, but certainly significant for the reasons that Megan and Matter say.
Daniela Diaz
I think the four of us remember that we didn't get results from Iowa in 2020, early 2024 days. I was a campaign I bet at CNN at the time and I remember boarding the plane with Elizabeth Warren's campaign landing in New Hampshire and not knowing who won in Iowa. I remember being in New Hampshire and also those results not mattering for what we saw in South Carolina. Then Vice President Joe Biden coming out forward. I think that this development makes a lot of sense.
Kristen Welker
All right, guys. Well, it's a great conversation. Thank you all so much for being here on a Friday. Daniela, Megan and Matt really appreciate it. We will be back Monday with more MEET the PRESS now. And of course, if it's Sunday, it's Meet the Press. On your local NBC news station. I'll have interviews with UN Ambassador Mike Waltz and Senator Mark Kelly. Plus, TODAY co host Chanel Jones joins me for a Meet the Moment conversation. And Steve Kornacki with 100 days until
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