Block the BS: Mastering Peace and Purpose with Wallo267

Summary

Podcast Summary: Mick Unplugged – "Block the BS: Mastering Peace and Purpose with Wallo267"

Host: Mick Hunt
Guest: Wallo267
Date: June 18, 2026
Theme: Discovering and defending your core motivation (“Because”), building inner peace, rejecting limiting beliefs, and saying “no” to external pressures—all through practical wisdom from Wallo267 and lessons from his new book Yes to You, No to Them.

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Mick Unplugged" features an open, dynamic conversation between leadership coach and host Mick Hunt and the acclaimed speaker, author, and entrepreneur Wallo267. The discussion centers on mastering inner peace, personal and professional boundaries, and living purposefully by adhering to one’s deeper “because.” The two dissect Wallo’s journey, the philosophy behind his new book, and actionable guidance for achieving a life of discipline and fulfillment, especially through struggle, self-care, and strategic relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Discovering Your "Because" (03:05–04:34)

• The Principle: Going deeper than “why.” Instead, unearth the “because” that motivates lasting impact.
• Wallo’s ‘Because’:
  “I just wanted to be the push—that’s my because. I want to push people the way I needed to push, the way I needed to lift, you know, just a hand.” (03:42, Wallo)
• Insight: Real “because” is usually forged during adversity and self-discovery.

2. Revisiting Old Beliefs, Rejecting the BS (06:46–08:37)

• Letting Go of False Narratives:
  Wallo reveals he once valued “street culture” until he recognized its emptiness: “I started committing crimes because I wanted to be accepted…we’re willing to risk our lives to be accepted by some people that don’t even accept their self.” (07:24, Wallo)
• Lesson: Many beliefs are inherited from environments or insecurity, not truth.

3. The Value of Peace & Simplicity (08:37–12:30)

• Peace Above Praise:
  Wallo emphasizes peace (like napping midday or enjoying a simple sandwich at home) as success evolves: “Nothing supersedes peace. Nothing supersede a good nap.” (09:04, Wallo) “Just being able to wake up and go back to sleep because you can. That’s peace.” (11:30, Wallo)
• Aging Into Appreciation:
  Self-care, rest, and joy in the mundane are essential forms of wealth.

4. Prioritizing Health—Breaking Taboos (13:09–15:48)

• Making Health Cool:
  Wallo pushes for health screenings (like colonoscopies) and publicizes his own to shift cultural norms, especially in Black communities: “Let’s make it cool to live. Let’s make it cool to stay healthy.” (13:44, Wallo)
• Vulnerability: Candid about discomfort and the humor—and relief—of medical tests.

5. Lessons from the Book Yes to You, No to Them

a. Winning Ain’t for Everybody (17:06–19:13)

• Discipline Over Dreams:
  “When you say you wanna win, there’s a lot of work and discipline. People not willing to put that discipline and that work in…That’s why, winning ain’t for everybody.” (17:42, Wallo)
• Monotony is Mastery:
  Greatness is tied to loving the grind.

b. Start Your Own Shit (19:31–20:14)

• Personal Accountability:
  “Nobody’s going to jump in front of you in the kitchen…the only one stopping you is you.” (19:37, Wallo)
• No Excuses:
  Modern resources erase barriers to entrepreneurship or creativity.

c. Block Out the BS – Don’t Buy Fear (20:20–21:57)

• Fear as Commodity:
  “Fear is what everybody’s selling…That’s the new hustle…There’s more fear sold on the news than positivity or encouraging energy.” (20:55, Wallo)
• Apply to Sales/Life:
  Don’t use fear to sell or let it rule decision-making.

d. Audit Your Circle (22:26–26:56)

• Boundaries in Relationships:
  “Stop befriending people who talk about their friends…they’re talking about you too.” (22:26, Wallo) “One of the biggest relationships that you gonna have is a relationship with your dreams.” (25:39, Wallo)
• Regular Review: Evaluate your inner circle regularly for alignment and support.

e. The Power of “No” and Selective “Yes” (30:41–34:53)

• No Is a Complete Sentence:
  “No changed lives…If younger people can establish a ‘no’ early, they like to change.” (30:55, Wallo)
• Quality Over Quantity in Affirmation:
  “Five to ten yeses take you to another level…your wife, your business, your foundation—how many more you need?” (32:56 & 33:26, Wallo)
• On Validation:
  Focus on essential validation, not public approval.

6. Creative Process & Philosophy Behind the Book (34:58–35:28)

• Social Media Structure:
  Book designed as passages/quotes with reflections for daily relevance and practical action.
• Interactive Movement:
  Mick proposes a community challenge: Each week, discuss/apply a book passage together on social media. (36:00 onward)

7. The "Room" That Changed Everything (37:24–40:09)

• Entering Rooms, Creating Rooms:
  “It's the rooms that lead up to that room that get you ready…One room opens a door in another room…But the strongest room I ever been in…me and Gil walked in…less than five minutes, tens of million dollar deal was done.” (37:24–38:15, Wallo)
• Preparation Over Opportunity:
  Success comes from cumulative readiness, and creating access for others requires clarity and purpose.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I want to be the help I wanted when I was in prison.” (03:05, Wallo)
• “We all just followers in this big following pool and we all trying to impress each other and we don't even know what we doing.” (07:24, Wallo)
• “Nothing supersedes peace.” (09:03, Wallo)
• “Let's make it cool to live. Let's make it cool to stay healthy.” (13:44, Wallo)
• “Winning ain't for everybody.” (17:06, Wallo)
• “Everybody's selling fear out here. That's the new hustle.” (20:55, Wallo)
• “Stop befriending people who talk about their friends because they're talking about you too.” (22:26, Wallo)
• “One of the biggest relationships that you gonna have is a relationship with your dreams.” (25:39, Wallo)
• “No is a complete sentence.” (30:41, Wallo)
• “You don't need anybody to say yes to you, because you got to say yes to you.” (34:11, Wallo)
• “Five to ten yeses will change your life.” (32:56, Wallo)
• “When everyone knows where you're going, you'll never get there. And when everyone knows what you have, you actually have nothing.” (attributed to Mick’s grandfather, 28:31 and context)
• “People put bad energy on your dreams…Sometimes it's good to just do it.” (29:35, Wallo)

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Key Timestamps

• Discovering Your ‘Because’: 03:05–04:34
• Letting Go of Street Mentality: 06:46–08:37
• Peace, Simplicity, and Rest: 08:37–12:30
• Health Advocacy & Vulnerability: 13:09–15:48
• Book Structure and Philosophy: 16:00–17:06
• Winning Ain’t for Everybody: 17:06–19:13
• Start Your Own Shit: 19:31–20:14
• Block Out Fear: 20:20–21:57
• Audit Your Circle: 22:26–26:56
• Power of ‘No’ and Scarcity of ‘Yes’: 30:41–34:53
• Creative Process: 34:58–35:28
• Community Action Challenge: 36:00 onward
• Defining Career "Rooms": 37:24–40:09
• Rapid Fire Hot 5 (Personal Insights): 44:27–46:09

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Tone and Style Notes

• Direct & Candid: Both speakers emphasize honesty, practical wisdom, and a no-frills approach.
• Empowering, Humorous, Compassionate: Stories are a blend of serious reflection and lighthearted details (e.g., Wallo’s comedic recounting of his colonoscopy).
• Accessible & Actionable: Takeaways are grounded in lived experience and daily routines, not abstract theory.

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Final Takeaways

• Your life’s direction comes from your “because,” not just your “why.”
• Inner peace and health must be proactive priorities, not afterthoughts.
• Disciplined boundaries, including saying “no,” are a defining strength.
• Dreams are personal, sacred—protect them from negative or empty influences.
• Select validation wisely; just a handful of true “yeses” can reshape your future.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In: This episode delivers unfiltered, practical leadership advice with heart. You’ll laugh, reflect, and leave with tangible steps to block out the BS, cultivate real peace, and build your future on your own terms. If you want real talk about growth—and a book that genuinely guides it—this is a must-listen.

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Get Wallo267’s book:
Yes to You, No to Them available everywhere books are sold.
Join the movement: Each week, discuss a quote and action from the book collectively on social media.

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"Your because is your superpower. Go unleash it."
— Mick Hunt (46:36)

Transcript

[Mick]

I'm Kiana. And I leveled up my business with Shopify. Once I figured out that Shopify was a thing, I never turned back. I can create a site with my eyes closed. Shopify thinks ahead of us, you know, and it thinks about the customer more than anything. Every day I'm thinking about some other new business, but Shopify is doing it to me because it's so easy to use. It's like I can't stop. I'm addicted. Start your free [e-mail]. my name is Shannon Maldonado.

[Wallow]

I'm the founder of Yaoi, a gift

[Mick]

shop from the lens of artists and handmade objects.

[Wallow]

I chose Shopify because when I was

[Mick]

testing other platforms, it was definitely one of the most user friendly. It was important to me to think

[Wallow]

about where we would be in the future. All of the tools for reading your

[Mick]

sales, like planning inventory, they're just right there on your dashboard. For anyone starting a small business, the

[Wallow]

biggest thing I can tell you, it doesn't have to be perfect.

[Mick]

Shopify can help you build upon it.

[Wallow]

Start your free trial on shopify.com. i started committing crimes because I wanted to be accepted by some people that I thought was cool. That was followers themselves. So we all just followers in this big following pool and we all trying to impress each other and we don't even know what we doing. But we're willing to risk our lives to be accepted by some people that don't even accept their self.

[Mick]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged. And today I'm sitting down with the Certified Beast. I'm talking about someone who's changed my life through his words and to now meet him in person, the energy that he has. I know why every rapper is in his DMs, every business person is in his DMs. He is none other than the king himself, Mr. Wallow 267.

[Wallow]

Mick, I just want to let you know, man, listen, same thing you say about me, I can say about you great things. You are legendary speaker, top globally in the world, top podcaster. He was in the top 10. You know what I mean? You that guy. So I'm just thankful that you even allowed me to be a part of your platform.

[Mick]

You know, man, I'm the honored one. Like I was telling you when I got here, man. Like when my team said wallow wants you, I said, me, damn, I gotta go to him.

[Wallow]

I appreciate that.

[Mick]

And you blessed me to be here in the studio wearing airplanes and hotels.

[Wallow]

Appreciate that. Yes, they Feel comfortable, ain't they?

[Mick]

These might be the best shoes on the market.

[Wallow]

Damn. I appreciate that.

[Mick]

If, you know, you know, you know, you know. Wallow man again, honored to have you. Honored to be with you. You know, I start every episode asking my guest about their because. Right, that thing that's deeper than your why. Simon Sinek taught us to start with why. But I believe your true purpose is your because, right? If I were to ask you what's your why? And then I say, but why? That sentence usually starts with well, because. And I care about that moment, that well because moment. So if I were to say wallow man, like today book coming out. You inspire so many people. What's your because? Why do you keep doing what you do?

[Wallow]

You know, I wanted to be the help, the help that I wanted when I was in prison. I wanted to be there for other people. You know, I used to always wanting to push, and I used to get pushed through different people watching people on tv, like I told you about Les, you know, Anthony Bourdain. And I'd be like, you know, won't I become what I want for myself when I needed it the most? And that was just a push to help. And I think being a push is very important out here because you don't know how a simple little push, you know, and it don't have to be physical, but a verbal push can help somebody get through their day, can help somebody get up out of a dark spot, can help somebody get closer to materializing their dreams. They could do a lot for them, you know, so it was like I just wanted to be the push that's my. Because I want to push people the way I needed to push, the way I needed to lift, you know, just a hand.

[Mick]

Yeah. When did you know that that was you?

[Wallow]

I didn't. You know what, Mick? I realized even when I was young, growing up, even in the streets, I always was funny. I always try to. And sometimes the push is not just in encouragement, it's in humor, it's in all that. And I realized when I think about when I was a kid, I always was that kid that was like. That was like, upbeat always, you know what I mean? So it was like, I think I had it, but I ain't identified till I was later on in prison. You don't identify with it till later on in life, you know, so it just be like, that's how it be. It just. It's just different.

[Mick]

Yeah. And why is that push important to you now?

[Wallow]

It's more important now because, you know, as you can see, a lot of lot of things is changing in the country. A lot of rough times, and people just need it even more now.

[Mick]

Yes, sir.

[Wallow]

And then social media came, and social media put a lot of people in depression. A lot of people feel as though they not where they want to be in life. So they, you know, it makes it mess a lot of people up. So you'd just be like, right now, people really need that encouragement more than ever.

[Mick]

Absolutely. And what I love about you and that push is knowing your story, knowing your journey. And we're going to get into the book, to this book in a moment, but your other books, man, it's like you reach everyone. There's so many cats that can talk to the younger generation. But you inspire those that have come before us because we're about the same age, right? You inspire those that are in our age group and you inspire those that are coming up, man. Like, not many people can do that. You talk about a Les Brown and the legacy that he's had. I look at you at that same way.

[Wallow]

Thank you.

[Mick]

I look at you that same way because doesn't matter who it is, doesn't matter where you come from, when you speak, people feel that, dude, people feel that. And I want to give you your flowers because a lot of times when we are in the zone of genius and greatness like you are, you don't understand the depth that you have. And so I want you to know the depth that you have, brother.

[Wallow]

Appreciate you, man. Thank you, Nick. Thank you so much, Nick.

[Mick]

So I have this segment that I call the Unplugged Truth. And again, knowing the books that you've written and oh, by the way, New York Times bestseller, by the way, New York Times bestselling author, by the way. Thank you, TEDx speaker, by the way. We all have these beliefs, or at least I do, right? I have beliefs when I was a kid, when I was a young adult that I don't have anymore. Do you have any beliefs that you once believed in that you once fought for that? Now it's like, that was silly. I don't believe in that anymore.

[Wallow]

Yeah, I believed in the streets and the street culture, the mindset. I believed that that was real until, you know, you grow, you, you know, it gets you in all these bad spots. But not just about getting in bad spots. You realize that am I really got a belief in something that's really B.S. so, you know, just coming up out of that, you know, because when you young, you want to be down Like, I wasn't in the streets. Cause I was just a street or this bad person. I just wanted to be down and wanted to be accepted by this idea of what cool supposed to be.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

You know, a lot of times in the inner city, cool is based off of being a criminal. And I think that's the craziest thing in the world. And just the fact of I'm sitting here and as I got older, I'm like, hold up, I got it. I started committing crimes because I wanted to be accepted by some people that I thought was cool, that was followers themselves. So we all just followers in this big following pool and we all trying to impress each other and we don't even know what we doing. But we're willing to risk our lives to be accepted by some people that don't even accept their self. They're still trying to find theyself. So we all out here trying to find ourself. And I'm like, hold up. I want to be cool. Let me be a criminal. Oh. So it was like, you know, I believed in that shit. And then, you know, when you wake up, you realize, like, hold up. What was I doing Is I'm crazy. Hard pill to swallow, man.

[Mick]

And so, you know when I told you that I look up to you and you mentor me from afar, that right there is exactly one of the lessons that I had to let go of. Because I used to believe that loyalty and hanging was the right thing to always do. But then you taught me peace of mind is more important the older you get. It's about peace. And you gotta let go of certain things and sometimes certain people. I'd love for you to talk to the audience about that and why that's so important of peace.

[Wallow]

Let me tell you something. You know this as a grown man, Mick. If you're not on the road today, and you might get up in the morning, take your little walk, do whatever, get your sweat workout, whatever, and let me take you somewhere. You come in the house, you take that shower with Mick, your wife, or you make that sandwich. You know that sandwich I'm talking about, that nice sandwich. Bread, all fluffy.

[Mick]

Yes, sir.

[Wallow]

Cheese. Whatever sandwich you. Tuna, Whatever sandwich you at. Got your chips on a plate, and you sit in your chair, your favorite chair, or you go lay down, you eat that sandwich. You watch it, whatever the air is blowing through the house, wherever you got a window open or Wherever it's at, A.C. you relaxed. You get to a point in your life where it's. Though nothing supersedes peace Nothing supersede a good knack. That good recharge when you go to sleep. Because I'm one of them dudes that like what I be chasing. I be trying to get up. When I'm up early, I'm trying to do as much as possible. So around like one or two o', clock, I can go to sleep. That's why I'm chasing that. I'm like, yeah, let me get. All right, I gotta go to the post office. I gotta drop this off. I gotta ship this, I gotta do this. I gotta return these emails, I gotta write this down, I gotta read this article. I gotta talk to these people on the phone. I gotta go here. I'm trying to get to that nap. That's just me. Because one thing about me is this one thing make. I love to go to sleep around 2, 3 and then wake up 7. I could do my research, go on YouTube, read some and write some stuff down in my book. I feel like I'm winning. Like to be up when everybody else going to sleep feel like I'm winning. But just the fact of. I don't know what it is about that I be chasing that. That just that sleep and that peace, that soft bed especially. I might go ride the bike or I might do a run or a walk, right? I do a run or walk. Ride the bike, Nick. When I jump in that shower and that water hit my body and break my body down that hot water, I'd be like, yes. All I'm thinking about is getting to that bed. Because sometimes I might drink a smoothie or juice, orange juice. I'm getting up under that bed, the sheet. And you get up under the sheet and the blanket and you got the house a little cool.

[Mick]

Yes, sir.

[Wallow]

I'm 47 in June. That's. That's my life. I love that. I don't like a lot of stuff, you know, people think. Nah. When you could take it. When, you know, when you done did something, you know the feeling. It's like multiple feelings. And people might think I'm crazy, but you know that feeling when you take your shoes off, you take your socks off and your feet just be like. Your feet just breathe and you just be like. It's as simple stuff as that. Simple stuff is just like, you know, just being able to wake up and go back to sleep because you can.

[Mick]

That's something.

[Wallow]

That's peace.

[Mick]

That's peace. I'm gonna have to chase naps now, man.

[Wallow]

Man, listen, I've never napped. Man, listen, you get one of Them. Just try it. Okay. Like, you get one of them. You gonna feel so good when you wake up around. Because now I don't know what it is. I love to work in the nighttime. Something about it.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

Especially when I'm already charged. Because I can push all the way through the night. Because if I. Because if I go to sleep, like 2, 3, wake up 7 to 8, some stuff like that I'm pushing, I could push all the way through the night. So if I got something to do, I could write it, get anything done I need to get done.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

So by the morning, I could just say, then four in the morning, go back to sleep, wake back up, like seven, eight, do what I need to do, you know, because, like, where I'm at now, I'm more focused on. I got a lot of different projects I'm working on. I'm more caught up in that than just posting on social media to be posting. I'm more focused on that. So I ain't gotta always cater to that.

[Mick]

Yeah. No, I love that, man. Another truth you taught me was the importance of health, man. We've all heard, you know, health is wealth. We all know that.

[Wallow]

Right.

[Mick]

But you actually put it into play. And I know it wasn't meant to be comedy, but, you know, you've got some really cool Instagram posts of you making spaghetti out of. Out of oodles and noodles.

[Wallow]

All that stuff. Yeah.

[Mick]

But the message behind what you're talking about, though, is one, preparing for yourself, and two, the health benefits of just being healthy.

[Wallow]

You know what?

[Mick]

No. And I have to thank you for that, man. Like, I'm down between you and Damon John and Robert Irvine, y' all collectively have helped me lose 47 pounds.

[Wallow]

Oh, man, that's a blessing.

[Mick]

I'm not rounding up yet because I haven't hit 50, but y' all help me drop this.

[Wallow]

You know how major that is? Because, listen, not just health, like, I shared on my. I shared on my. My page when I had a colonoscopy. I shared on my page when I was going to get colon cancer. Check. I share all this stuff because I'm like. I'm like, let's make it cool to live.

[Mick]

Right?

[Wallow]

Let's make it cool to stay healthy. Let's really make it cool to just, you know. And you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna try to do something for my birthday.

[Mick]

Okay.

[Wallow]

Whereas, though, I guess a couple hundred minutes, you get checked out, I'll support it. I gotta do something like that. June 21st, I'm gonna try to do that. It depends on where I'm at. I wanna do something where it's dope. Because I'm feeling like a lot of men. Cause I didn't know this, right? But when I posted this stuff, I seen a lot of women in the comments, like, yo, my dad. I'm sending this to my dad. You need to watch, like, especially black men be afraid to get checkups and stuff. And I'm like, why?

[Mick]

No, we should totally do it. I'll support it. Because your birthday is actually the same day as my oldest son.

[Wallow]

See, June 21st.

[Mick]

Oh, I thought it was the 25th.

[Wallow]

No, 21st.

[Mick]

Well, that same week.

[Wallow]

That same week. Same week. Because I'm like, when I started posting that stuff, Mick, I'm like, hold up. People not jumping on this stuff like this. I thought people was on it. I didn't know, you know, when I did the colonoscopy, man, listen, man. I had to take some stuff. I was listening. I basically lived in the bathroom. I was pooping so much, right? Because you got to clean out the day before. So listen, I'm pooping so much, right? I go to get up, and I can't even get up anytime I get up. So when I did, I had to crawl and I had to lay on the ground. I had a blanket right there near the toilet. I was laying on the floor. It cleaned me out so much. But then when I went the next day, I was so happy because I went and, you know, they had to put a camera in you to see what's going on, right? So I lay down, and the lady's like, you're ready to be asleep. So I'm like, all right. And they gave you that. What's that thing that puts you to sleep, huh? Yeah, whatever that is.

[Mick]

Laughing gas. Okay.

[Wallow]

No, but, no, this wasn't laughing. I was sleep. She's like, you'll be. I went to sleep. It was done in the tarp. And when I talked to the doc, he's like, you're cool. You're cool.

[Mick]

I was like, wow.

[Wallow]

But it felt good to walk out of there knowing that. And I shared it with everybody. But to walk out of there knowing I'm healthy, It was everything.

[Mick]

Yeah. So we're about to go there now, bro.

[Wallow]

Let's do it.

[Mick]

Cause I'm here about this book.

[Wallow]

Yes. Yes.

[Mick]

That's why I'm here. That's why I'm here. And I call this one the Hot Takes. But the Hot Takes are all about yes to you. No to them. And the title grabbed me first and foremost. And I was like, wow. And then I got into the book, and for everybody that's watching, for everybody that's listening, this book is like a book of passages, man. Like you could. I was telling you, my kids, my sons, every day they open something up and it's like, I need that message today. And that's what they do. The book, number one, is well written for those that don't have the book yet. One, go get it. But two, it's written where, like, there's a quote and then wallow breaks down the quote on the next page. And every page, every section is just like that. So it's the easiest read you'll ever have, but it's also very meaningful. And you have some quotes in this book, man, that one, I align with and two, I want to get into. And the first quote that got me was, winning ain't for everybody.

[Wallow]

Yes.

[Mick]

And it shook me because it made me go back and look at things in my life where you talk about being that push. Because people like you and I, we want people to win with us.

[Wallow]

Everybody.

[Mick]

What makes you unique is that you genuinely do care about other people. Win. But you said winning ain't for everybody. Everybody doesn't have the discipline. Everybody doesn't have the ethics. Everybody doesn't have that thing that they're willing to fight for. And no matter how bad you want it for somebody else, you can't give it to them, man. So talk to us about why winning ain't for everybody.

[Wallow]

Because when you say you want to win, there's a bunch of discipline that come with that. See, saying yes to yourself is harder than saying no to somebody else or saying yes to somebody else. See, when you say yes to yourself, there's a lot of work that got to come.

[Mick]

Mm.

[Wallow]

So when you say you wanna win, there's a lot of work and discipline. People not. That's why. Winning ain't for everybody. People not willing to put that discipline and that. That work in. They're like, no, yeah, I wanna win. But, ah, right. You know, I wanna be the best football player in the world, but I gotta work out, I gotta eat right. I gotta make sure I'm training. I gotta, ah. I don't wanna do that.

[Mick]

Right.

[Wallow]

I wanna have the best business in the world. I gotta do this. I gotta.

[Mick]

Right.

[Wallow]

I don't wanna do.

[Mick]

Right.

[Wallow]

Winning ain't for anybody.

[Mick]

It's not, man. Like you've said it a billion times. I've heard Michael Jordan talk about It. I heard Steph Curry, LeBron James all say it. When you really start winning, you seek boring, right? Like you seek that monotony, that grind that nobody else wants to do until it becomes boring for you, and that just becomes who you are. And I don't think people understand that, man. People think greatness is always about pushing yourself. That's how it starts. But then you seek. Just like you seek the naps, right? Like every great person I know that's great at what they do, they actually want the boring. They want to work hard till they get to that boring.

[Wallow]

And I like to be away from all the bs, Right, Right, right.

[Mick]

The second quote that stood out to me and it's so prevalent today. If you're watching this, I want you to pay attention. If you're listening to this, pull over, stop what you're doing. Because this is the most important thing in 2026. You told everybody to start your own shit.

[Wallow]

You've seen that in there, right?

[Mick]

Start your own shit. There's no excuses for what?

[Wallow]

Mick, Mick, Mick. How about this, Mick? If you said today you want to become a chef, or you said, I'm going to just start cooking it and I'm gonna start cooking my food and selling it, Mick, I'm not going to jump in front of you and stop you. Nobody's going to jump in front of you in the kitchen. And when you start cooking and mess your food up. Yeah, but you, yeah, you going to jump in front of you. Going to stop you before you start. So if you think about it, start your own shit. Would you like, what's the excuses?

[Mick]

There are none today. There are none. Like, you can build someone else's dream.

[Wallow]

Think about it.

[Mick]

You definitely could build, or you can complete your own.

[Wallow]

You got a lot of dream builders out here.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

You know a lot of dream builders.

[Mick]

Yeah. Yeah. Next quote. And this one, we're going to go deep.

[Wallow]

Go ahead.

[Mick]

Because this one is the new keynote speech. Don't buy it, Block out the bullshit is the quote. But I'm going to give everybody that's watching what the story is. Fear is what everybody's selling. Fear is what everybody's selling. And so when Wallow says, don't buy it, block out the bullshit. He's talking about fear. When you look social media, what are they selling?

[Wallow]

Fear.

[Mick]

Fear. You look at tv, the newspaper, what are they selling?

[Wallow]

Everybody's selling fear out here. That's the new hustle, right? Everybody telling you the world won't end today or we're going to Start today. You're not going to be able to they telling you you're going to lose your home, you're going to lose your car, you're going to lose your job, you're going to lose your life. That's all they telling you. And people love it. They keep watching that bs.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

I don't pay attention to it.

[Mick]

No. And what's crazy, because I'd like to think I'm really good at coaching salespeople and anyone that's a student of mine or a client of mine as it relates to sales, I'm different because I teach you don't sell fear. And that's what this quote like. I promise you your next keynote should be about that. Because you said it's the biggest business in the world and it made me pause and I'm like, damn. Wallow. Hit on something that was so simply stated, bro, that's deep.

[Wallow]

Think about it. That's all you. The news is based off fear. There's more fear sold on the news than it is positivity or encouraging energy.

[Narrator/Ad Speaker]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

This. This the biggest media outlet. You got the news.

[Mick]

Yep. Yep. And it's all fear. And then this next one, and this is what when we talk about my boys and what they had to come to grips with was this right here. Stop befriending people who talk about their friends. Stop befriending people that talk about their friends because they're talking about you too.

[Wallow]

I come. You know me and you know each other. We close by sitting. We go to school together, whatever. Church together, whatever. You always talking about your friends. What connection do me and you really gonna have?

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[Wallow]

You're going to talk about me, right? Right? You're going to talk about me. Think about this stuff. You're going to talk about me.

[Mick]

Yep.

[Wallow]

Yep.

[Mick]

And again, I learned that lesson from Kenny Anderson. Shout out to Kenny Anderson. By the way, my good friend Chris Paradiso. They got me to evaluate my circle two times a year because we evolved as people. And everybody in your circle doesn't share the same mission. And if they do, then you're not growing personally. Right. And that's what I look at with you on how not only have you evolved, but your circle changes. The moves that you make have to be different. And everybody that's on the ride with you isn't meant to get to that final destination in whatever season that is. I'd love for you to talk about that, man. About how your circle has changed and why it changes.

[Wallow]

I got one even better for you. A good friend of mine who's also a brother of mine, Herm.

[Mick]

Right,

[Wallow]

Herm. Always say, you got to audit your circle.

[Mick]

Yep.

[Wallow]

Say, you got to audit your circle. And that's important. One thing about me, I'm. I keep my thing real lean and slim. I don't need a lot of people because with a lot more people, more confusion. You know what I mean? And more people, more expectations, more entitlement people. Oh, why you ain't come to my party? You should have came. I didn't want to come to your party. I don't party just because it's your. I don't party.

[Mick]

I don't care.

[Wallow]

Like, so you got to think about that. Like, how do you. How do we figure it out to where as though we. Like, I'm so focused and so locked in that I don't need to be around anybody. I don't need a hundred friends. I don't need. Like, listen, you already got one of the biggest relationships that you gonna have is a relationship with your dreams.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

Because at the end of the day, no matter what happened in life, nothing comes before the relationship. With your dream, you could be married, you could have kids. All that's cool. But if you don't materialize your dream, you can't take care of them. Think about that. You can't take care of them.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

And one thing that we know is people try to say, oh, listen, we need to materialize our dreams. Because in order to live on this planet Earth, you need money. You need money, right? And one thing about money is you gotta take care of school, you gotta take care of shelter, you gotta take care of food, gotta take care of transportation, you gotta take care of next level education.

[Mick]

Yep.

[Wallow]

You gotta take care of healthcare coverage, insurance. And one thing about money is once you had a relationship with your dreams, and you really materialize your dreams, you start making money. Like I said in the book, money. Give money to money.

[Mick]

Yes, sir.

[Wallow]

You know, once you start getting money, it just keep. People just want to give you money, right. People find ways to get you. People find ways to give you money, Mick. They find it right some reason. So it's like you got to have a relationship with that dream. But in order to have a true relationship with your dreams, you can't have all these people around, man, pulling you in different directions because they a party or they know you. I know, come here, come to this party, do this. No.

[Mick]

Right.

[Wallow]

I can't be responsible for everybody. Happiness.

[Mick]

That's it. That's it. And another thing you said in the book too, you know, we talked about auditing your circle and then you have a follow up. But always protect those that help you win, because winning is never a singular thing. Yeah, right. Like, you know, I love boxing, right? Old school boxing. And you look at a Muhammad Ali, you look at a Mike Tyson, you look at an Evander Holyfield, you look at a Floyd Mayweather publicly, they might be the people getting the credit and the just do, but it's other people that got them there. And you talk about in the book, man, like, never forget the people that help you win. Those are your true people. Talk to us about the importance of that.

[Wallow]

You gotta think about it. It's like a lot of winners are crazy. Like I look at myself, like I'm crazy. When you look at the people that you got around, you gotta have people around that understand you're crazy and believe in. You're crazy. That's why you gotta respect them people. You gotta respect them people that's willing to believe in just all the madness. Even when it's. You don't see. No, you don't see the end of it.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

You can't see you just like, oh, damn. Yeah, you gonna do what you like. Yeah, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do that. I could do that. You're like, what? How can you do. I could do it. So. So you gotta protect them people and you gotta respect them people that believe in you and help you get to you Know to your dreams.

[Mick]

Yep. Yep. It's two things you said. This is why I know that we're brothers from another mother. Because it's two things. One is in the book and one I hear you talk about all the time. That my grandfather used to tell me every day of my life. And my grandfather pretty much raised me with my mom. The first one was move in silence. My grandfather used to tell me this. When everyone knows where you're going, you'll never get there. And when everyone knows what you have, you actually have nothing. And so I learned at a very young age, man, like, if you're trying to get something done, let the results speak. Please let the results speak. And in the book, you talk about that, man. About moving. And it's like at the very beginning of the book, and that's what, again, we're brothers from another mother. Because I was like, oh, I'm doing nothing else the rest of the day except reading this book. Talk to people about why that's so important, because I feel like people that don't accomplish what they set out to do is because they told too many people about it and they didn't have the heart to really do it anyway.

[Wallow]

And people put bad energy on your dreams.

[Mick]

That's it.

[Wallow]

Like, a lot of times you be sitting there, you be thinking. People be sitting there, man, putting all type of. They be putting all type of hex on your dream. They. They. I mean, they. And sometimes it's good to just do it.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

Like, that energy you got. What do you. What do it matter if you tell somebody? You telling somebody what you attempting to do? Just do the shit.

[Mick]

Exactly.

[Wallow]

Do it.

[Mick]

Exactly. And let the results speak. I don't have to tell anybody what I'm doing. Like, all the amazing things. And for those that don't know, we're in Wallow's warehouse. And in this warehouse, there's merch everywhere. There's books everywhere. There's so much that he has going on that you haven't even seen yet because he's not telling anybody about it. The results speak for themselves. The action is what drives everything. Not the talk. Not the talk. And then the other thing that I got from you, and it's actually a part of the title, right? Yes to you. No to them. A lot of folks don't understand. No is a complete sentence. N O, period. That's a sentence.

[Wallow]

That's it.

[Mick]

My grandfather taught me that.

[Wallow]

That's it.

[Mick]

You got to explain anything.

[Wallow]

For what?

[Mick]

No.

[Narrator/Ad Speaker]

Nope.

[Mick]

No. Give your take on that, man. No, Being a complete sentence. And then I want to know why you wrote the book and where that title came from.

[Wallow]

One thing I love about it is this. I love. No, no changed lives. There's gonna be a lot of bickering that comes with it. Because everybody just wants you to be a yes man. They want you to be a yes man to their dreams. They want you to be a yes man to your distracts, to the distractions that they bring you. They would just want you to be a yes. And don't nobody remember that. That no destroy all yeses. They don't remember none of the yeses before them. But if you establish it, I think people should establish they know early.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

If younger people can establish a know in their life early, they like to change. When you establish a no early, everything change. Yeah, every. Everything's changed for you, you know, when you just establish that no. You know, and I think that that's real important.

[Mick]

No. And there's a business lesson in that. I tell entrepreneurs and especially salespeople, I'm actually trying to get you to tell me no. I want to make it very comfortable for you to tell me no as soon as possible. Because when there's a breakup, I don't want to wait till the very last moment to be broken up with. Right. We can break up early.

[Wallow]

Tell me right now. We ain't got to start, we ain't got to go nowhere. Tell me right now. Because I'm cool with no. Because I understand it. Because a lot of times no can be two things to me. No can be next opportunity. And there's a lot of lessons and blessings inside of a no. Because all nos ain't bad. Sometimes you gotta get the understanding of a no. If you told me no about something, I'm be like, mick, could you elaborate on why you reached that destination? Like, what's going on? Which is cool. But some people, they just like, if they don't get what they want when they want it and they can't take advantage of you. Yeah, they upset. They pissed. Yeah.

[Mick]

And you know, you also put in the book. And again, I'm just gonna keep repping the book today. Yes to you. No to them. Go get it. Like right now, there's links everywhere. You're looking for it. You told me in the book there's eight point something billion people on earth and people get confused that they need 2,000 yeses. You say you see five to 10. Five to 10 yeses will change your life.

[Wallow]

Now. They change. Listen, let me explain something to you. Five to ten yeses take you to another level. Because you gotta remember this, man. Think about the yeses that you might need. You need your wife to say yes. Mm. You got your business dealings. You need an investor to say yes. That's like, once the real investor come, you want the big dad. Right?

[Mick]

Right.

[Wallow]

That one yes could change your life forever financially. It could put some mean security around you, your wife, your kids, everything. And it could really supercharge your business. Your whole business. The speaking, the podcast, everything you got going on under the Mick. Under the Mick Hunt brand. And then you think about it. That's really two yeses right there. You know, your wife. Yes. Your foundation, how many more you need? Right?

[Mick]

But that goes back. People seek validation, and then you might

[Wallow]

go mess a yes up. You might get a big yes in your life, mess it up, and then you come back and get another yes and regroup.

[Mick]

I didn't even think about it that way.

[Wallow]

I think about it. You don't need. All of you don't need anybody to say yes to you, because you got to say yes to you. It's your responsibility to say yes to you. But outside of the yes to you that you're saying to you, if you get three to four, yes is fine. You cool?

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

Especially if they're important. Stop chasing the small yeses. Everybody out here chasing these baby yeses. Oh, yeah. Yes, I go to the party with you. Yes. I go out and get drunk with you. Yes. I'll loan you a couple hundred dollars, man. That's babies. That's nah.

[Mick]

Right.

[Wallow]

Chase the man. Focus on the big yeses. But you got to know your yes. You got to know the yes that you looking for. What yes is you looking for. That's it. If you just looking for everybody to say yes, and that's going. That's going to cater to your securities and your fears and your shortcomings. It's over.

[Mick]

So what made you want to sit down and write this bestseller, man?

[Wallow]

This is everything. This right here, which is going to be a bestseller. It was simple, and I wanted to, you know, pattern it after social media. Yeah.

[Mick]

All the quotes you need.

[Wallow]

You see what I'm saying? You know, love don't have a speed limit. Drivers dictate. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, you might meet somebody and just be like, man, I love this. I love this situation. I love what's going on.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mick]

Yep.

[Wallow]

So that's how that be.

[Mick]

Nah. And again, I'm gonna keep Talking about the book, I promise you, you're gonna be like me. And I told Wallow this. I read it four times. Right.

[Wallow]

That's major.

[Mick]

And now every day I go to what I call a passage. Because he just held it up for you. Every day you can go to a certain section of the book and that passage, that message is going to speak to you and then put action around what that means to you today. And here's actually what I want people to do. And this just came to me. If you're watching, if you're listening right now, go get the book. June 16th. And what I want to do 30 days later, starting July 16th. And I'm going to start the movement with this. Collectively, we're going to choose a message from the book and we're going to talk about it that day. And every week. Yes, every week, that's what we're going to do. We're going to take a quote from the book, and on social media, that's going to be the driving topic we talk about that week and put action behind it. Because as much as they're quotes, they're actually actions for you to take to do something, to change your life, to make your life better, to make your business better, to make you a better person. And we're going to talk about it, and we're going to share with Wallow what that message meant that week for us.

[Wallow]

You see this? That's what I'm talking about. Yes.

[Mick]

See, you know to them, the new bestseller. Yes, sir, the new bestseller. All right, Wallow. So this one I call the Room. Every person I know that's done something. There was a room, a meeting, a dinner that changed your life. What was that for you? Was it a room? Was it a meeting? Was it a dinner? Was it a conversation? What was that moment for Wallow that changed your life?

[Wallow]

It wasn't just the room. It's the rooms that lead up to that room that get you ready for. Because one room open up a door in another room. That's why you got to know how to move in rooms. Because I might come to your room and you might give me a certain offer, and the offer you give me in your room might lead to somebody else trying to give me an offer in another room. So it's rooms, but the strongest room I ever been in, it was a small little office. And me and my partner, me and Gil, walked in that room. And in less than five minutes, tens of million dollar deal was done and we walked out. It was simple. It wasn't no back and forth. It wasn't a right. It was. They said this. They said this. All right, well, this is what I'm gonna do. Here. Take that. Walked out.

[Mick]

Wow.

[Wallow]

Less than three minutes, probably.

[Mick]

And what was the feeling when you walked out the room?

[Wallow]

It was unimaginable. I thought about it all night because it was like, damn, this is great. That was great. And you just be like, you know that you wasn't as crazy as you thought you was. You're like, no. You know something? You gotta. You gotta really be crazy.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

To believe in yourself. But it's. But it get even more crazier when you see the other people believing you. The game changers believe in you. The life changers believe in you. Now you're really like, sh.

[Mick]

Right. And knowing the. The person that you are today, for you now, you're about creating those rooms for other people.

[Wallow]

Right.

[Mick]

I see all the work that you're doing that doesn't get publicized.

[Wallow]

Yeah.

[Mick]

Because you moved in silence. Right. Like, you don't need to publicize you doing things for people or you doing things in the community. That's not who you are. But you are creating those rooms for those that are watching, for those that are listening. What's the criteria to get in a wallow room? What are you looking for?

[Wallow]

Be you. Because my rooms is everywhere. You might. You might get in my room in the airport. It might be in a hotel lobby. It might be walking down the street. It ain't about. It is about. You gotta make it make sense.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

Once you see me, it makes sense. I'm stopping.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

Talk to you. I talk to anybody. But it's like, if you talking about some serious stuff, as soon as you make it make sense, I'm open. My mind is. And I'm like, that's the room right there.

[Mick]

Yeah. I love it.

[Wallow]

You know, some people. Some people want to get in the room and don't even know what they're going in the room to talk about sometimes.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

And when I run into people like that, I try to educate them. I'm like, listen, this is what I need you to do. Let's start this over.

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Wallow]

They mess up. Let's start it over. No, this is what you need to say. First of all, where are you trying to go at? Where you trying to land at? Let me know once you tell me where you trying to land. I can help you out so we can put this together. We got to put this presentation together real quick. I got time. I might have 15 minutes. But we got to figure it out. Because you stepped to me. You didn't even know what you wanted. So let's figure out what you want. So once we figure out what you want, we get. We get established the delivery and we get established where you trying to land.

[Mick]

Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love it. So before I get you out of here with My Rapid Fire Hot 5 Again, this episode is about this book. Because this book is game changing. And I don't care who you are, you need the book. So much so that I'm going to do this. Because everybody that's a follower of Make Unplugged, they know when I have something that I support and I believe in, I like to give back. And usually I do 20 copies of what I like, but I heard your favorite number is seven, like Les Brown. So I'm gonna do 70, the first 70. And it always gets stuck because whoever's number 21 gets mad at me. It's not my fault. It's not my fault. But the first 70 people on Instagram that message me, yes to me. Yes to me. And I'm talking about you. Because that's the title of the book. Yes to you, no to them. I'm gonna get you a copy of the book on me before I walk out of here. Today, I'm ordering 770 copies.

[Wallow]

You hear that?

[Mick]

But then I need you to do me a favor. If you are number 71 through 6 million Amazon.com Barnes and Nobles books a million. Your local bookstore, pre order now. Buy it now, you need it. I promise you, every day, there's something for you. Go get the book. I'm going to have links in the show, notes in the descriptions. Again, the first 70 people, yes to me. I'm going to get a copy. And then here's what we're going to do. Starting July 16, we're going to go 30 days after release, we're going on social media once a week, and we're going to say what this book has meant to us. We're going to choose a passage, we're going to talk about it through the end of this year. That's how much I believe in the book. Because when my kids like something, I know it was something bigger than me. And again, I'm giving you your flowers, bro.

[Wallow]

Thank you, my brother.

[Mick]

Because it's that deep.

[Wallow]

Thank you. It's that deep. I appreciate you.

[Mick]

All right. And then also because I'm also here, the first 20 people, you see these, right? I think I need to give 20 people. I'm gonna buy em. I think I need to give 20 people these.

[Wallow]

That's major, Mick, but.

[Mick]

Cause here's the kick, though, because I can't just go buy 20 of like one size of these shoes.

[Wallow]

You gotta figure out the sizes and get back with us.

[Mick]

Yeah, but the first 20 people, I gotta figure out how to do this. So it's fair. They gotta follow the brand.

[Wallow]

And the brand is airplanes and hotel.

[Mick]

And I'll have links to that on Social, too. You gotta follow the brand, you gotta follow Wallow. You gotta follow me. And you gotta message the three of us so that I can confirm and validate. I'll reply back if you're in the top 20. Give me your shoe size. I got you. These are the most comfortable shoes. And I travel a lot. Airplanes and hotels. That used to be my nickname. Because that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. When I tell you these are comfortable. These are all day. Yes, these are. These so much. So I got a speaking engagement Monday. I think I'm gonna wear these on stage.

[Wallow]

Yes, sir.

[Mick]

I think I'm gonna wear these on stage.

[Wallow]

Yes, sir.

[Mick]

That's how comfortable they are. So, ladies and gentlemen, I threw out the challenge. Hit me up. Now Wallow. I gotta get you out of here. This unplugged five. This rapid fire. I don't know if you're ready.

[Wallow]

I'm ready.

[Mick]

The hardest no you ever had to say was to who?

[Wallow]

Myself.

[Mick]

My hardest note was to me, too.

[Wallow]

To me.

[Mick]

It was to me. Looking in the mirror. Who's a better Hooper, you or Gilly?

[Wallow]

Gilly. Yeah. I be lying. My game ain't like that. It used to be now back in 92, 93, that's different.

[Mick]

Okay. Okay. All right. We're in Philly. The king of the cheesesteak. I've had some recommendations that I haven't loved. I'm gonna be honest.

[Wallow]

I'm gonna give you the best recommendations.

[Mick]

That's it. The best cheesesteak in Philly is taste.

[Wallow]

Cheesesteak. They got a oxtail cheesesteak.

[Mick]

Okay.

[Wallow]

Yes. I'm gonna send you there.

[Mick]

Okay. I love it. I love it. I need you to finish this sentence. The freedom that follows saying no feels like. The freedom that follows saying no feels like. Feels like.

[Wallow]

Greatest thing in your life.

[Mick]

Greatest thing in your life. So the last question is a two part. When the story of your life is being produced. When the movie Wallow comes out. Because I'm putting that in the. I'm putting it out there. What's one or two words you want to define you and your legacy in that film.

[Wallow]

Giver.

[Mick]

Giver. Who plays you in that film? That's the follow up.

[Wallow]

Michael B. Jordan.

[Mick]

If you'd have asked me that, that's exactly who I would have said.

[Wallow]

Michael B. Jordan.

[Mick]

Michael B. Jordan.

[Wallow]

He. That guy.

[Mick]

Ladies and gentlemen, this has been my good friend, wallow267. Well, keep saying it. Go get this book. Yes to you. No to them. It's available right now. It's available right now. Wallow, brother, appreciate you. Appreciate you more than you know.

[Wallow]

Thank you, Mick.

[Mick]

I appreciate you.

[Wallow]

Appreciate you for coming out here, man.

[Mick]

Yes, sir.

[Wallow]

Mick. Unplugged.

[Mick]

That's it. And to all the viewers and listeners, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it.

[Wallow]

Yes.