Marlo Campbell (3:10)

Well, I think that disconnecting is a way for you to reflect and truly analyze what's going on in order to make improvement in your world, in your life. But personally, professionally, with your family, with your friends, taking time to really appreciate also all the wonderful things that go on. Even when things are bad. You know, taking this time away is good just to spend time with friends and family and just know. You know, just figure out what's going on, what the next moves are. Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (3:47)

Yeah. And you're a CEO, right? Like, you own multiple businesses. And I think a lot of times as leaders and CEOs, we have this misconception that we've always got to be on and that there's this no days off fatality. And I actually believe in no days off. But I also believe in taking moments so that you can be there for the people that matter the most, whether it's your team, whether it's your family or whatever it is. And so for the business leader of a Salvador that never takes the time to recharge, what's your message for those.

Marlo Campbell (4:18)

That's it. You always got to remember where you started from. And the best way to do that is to take that step back. And when you reflect upon where you started where. Where you are now, where you're going, okay, if you can't slow down just a little bit, then that's when you get yourself in trouble, okay? You start losing in touch with reality. And as we said, when you have your great team at work and you have your people that you're with all the time, but helps you to understand, reflect, go back to really just.

Mick Unplugged Host (4:58)

Figuring.

Marlo Campbell (4:58)

Out who you are, you know? You know, when we. It's interesting. We. We had a great dinner with a couple other couples in February, and we started talking about all the different things that we've done in our lifetime, you know, professionally, okay. Just as. From a. From an income standpoint, and every one of us had a story where we were here and then we did this and we did this and we did that. Okay? But that's the story of life. I mean, you're building on your experiences. Okay. And so taking time away is a way to not take notes, but just mentally take notes and just say, okay, oh, this is where I've been, this is where I'm going. This was a good experience. How can I duplicate that? This was a bad experience. What have I learned from that? So that we can make it even better experience next time, you know?

Mick Unplugged Host (5:48)

Yeah. And for the person that's listening, maybe you're not a business owner. Right. Having a disconnect is still important. So, you know, like for me, I'll spend time on a Sunday morning, I'll spend a couple hours, go sit on the back porch and just have some meat, right. So you don't have to go on vacations to disconnect. Like, that shouldn't be the only reason or the only way that you disconnect. What are some ways that you disconnect when it's not a vacation or whatever?

Marlo Campbell (6:16)

Well, I'm a professional napper man. You know, I could nap anytime. And it's my, it's my, my time, you know, 3 o' clock on a Saturday, Sunday, I'm gonna relax. I mean, I'm just gonna take that time to myself and, and my family knows that, hey, this is, this is when I gotta, I gotta just gotta sit back and absorb, okay. And recharge. But similar to you, just, just find a little quiet place. You know, sometimes I, I get accused of being quiet, okay? But I'm, I'm still on, but I'm just processing, you know, letting that, that, that, that computer regenerate. You know what I mean? You got to get the reboot, the refresh and you know, just whether that's sitting at home, whether that's going in, hitting some golf balls, sometimes just, just, even just being with family is a good way of doing it. You know what I mean? So there's so many ways to do it, but just, just getting out of getting your mind away from the business side and just that we, we keep using that word reflection. But it's, it's just really important that, that you, you take time to do that.

Mick Hunt (7:30)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (7:30)

I tell people all the time that, like on your computer you got to clear cache and data, right? Like that's your computer resetting.

Marlo Campbell (7:36)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (7:36)

You got to restart your phones. I don't care if you're Apple, Android or whatever. Like every once in a while it's not operating right, so you have to restart it. Your phones and all these technology platforms send you updates that you always have to do. I think for your mind and body, you have to do the same thing. Like you got to be able to take that time and get that recharge that month they where that restart. Yeah, yeah. So crypt important. And I learned a lot about like I, we met five years ago now.

Marlo Campbell (8:01)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (8:02)

And like we literally instantly became best friends. Which is crazy because as you get to know Marlo Campbell, everyone is as bad like, and I mean that in a very good way. Right?

Marlo Campbell (8:12)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (8:13)

You never met a stranger. Yeah.

Marlo Campbell (8:14)

I love people.

Mick Unplugged Host (8:14)

You always have that thing of, you know, it used to be what, six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Right. Like I call it now, you're 2 degrees from Marlowe Gambit. When did that become a thing for you? Like networking, introducing yourself, picking people up. I mean, did that become a thing for you?

Marlo Campbell (8:31)

I guess it probably started as a, as a youth with my background and where I grew up and in the mean streets of Crabtree. I guess you will, you know, in Raleigh. But no, it's interesting for me, when we moved, we were in one part of Raleigh. We moved to a whole nother part of Raleigh. We were one of, we thought we were the only ones, but we were one of only two black families in an all white neighbor. Okay. And it's interesting as a six year old kid starting to build relationships with people that don't really know you back in the 70s. Okay. That was different. Okay. But then I got introduced to this wonderful worldwide game of soccer. Okay. And so when I got introduced to soccer, I never would have done it unless we had moved to this part of town. And I played a lot of sports growing up. I was fortunate. I'm pretty, I was pretty athletic. But I always, every time we had to make a choice of what sport I was going to continue to progress with, it kept going back to soccer. Well, the thing about soccer, soccer is a worldwide sport. I mean everybody, everybody plays. Okay. And so you're always building relationships with people that are different. I mean, the game is the same. There's two goals, there's a ball. Okay. You try to score, but you build up the teamwork, you build up the camaraderie, you build up the support system, you build up adversity. You have some wins, you have some losses, you know, so I, I, I think that's when it all started. Okay. You go on to college and you play professionally and you, and you do things. Everything that I do now is a byproduct of when I got started when I was younger. Okay. Never met a stranger. Don't judge, you know, people are going to be people, people are going to be different. Okay. I always seek to understand where they're coming from. Okay. Even if I disagree, that's, that's their, that's their position. I can't get upset with them for their position. What I can do is understand it and maybe it either strengthens my position that I have or I'm helping them to understand. Hey, you know what, have you looked at it this way? And helping them to understand as well, you know, So I think that's one reason why I, I, I go out, people see me, I meet people. I have no problem just meeting people and just, just playing on with it, you know, it's, it's thing that makes it special. Absolutely.

Mick Unplugged Host (11:00)

Absolutely. Yeah. So let's go into soccer. For those that I know, we've got your, we've got your shirt censored and thank you. And for those that are watching, we are in Jamaica. It might be five o', clock, it might be ten o', clock, it's five o' clock somewhere. Cheers, my brother.

Marlo Campbell (11:17)

Yes, sir.

Mick Unplugged Host (11:19)

So soccer, you went to this little school for those, you know, you see his shirt is blurred. Because I'm allergic to, to that. You went to NC State, man. So like one. Why NC State or no, let's, let's go back a little bit further.

Marlo Campbell (11:36)

Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (11:37)

Marlo Campbell, the soccer star, High school. What was recruiting like? What was that? What were those moments?

Mick Hunt (11:45)

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Marlo Campbell (14:59)

Okay. But it was one of those things. Whereas again, I was fortunate. I was with the all. The OD was called Olympic Development Program. So I'm traveling all over the country representing North Carolina Region 3 U.S. national team camp, U6 Kings in Colorado Springs, and again, just again, meeting people from different areas, developing those relationships.

Mick Unplugged Host (15:25)

Yeah.

Marlo Campbell (15:26)

So then when you get into the recruiting process, you know, for me, my father worked at NC State. I grew up always wanting to play for NC State, but I also entertained Duke in that other lighter blue school down the road from them as well. I'm not allowed to say that the Universal Champions, ufc. Okay, I'm not allowed to. To actually say those words, but, you know, so. And a few other schools here in North Carolina, but I Remember there was a game in high school and I had really great teammates at Athens Drive High School, but I remember a game where two of my best friends, Roy and Eric Lassiter, had just been gotten red cards in the game before. So I was solo, quote, unquote, solo. Obviously I had some great teammates, but I wasn't playing with my boys, okay, that we, that we always used to do our thing with the next game. And I didn't know that Coach Tarantini was in the stands, okay? And I went off, I went off. I mean, I mean, I just. Because it was out of support for my brothers Roy and Eric. It was support for my, my, my teammates that, that were just. To this day, there's great, great, great people. We ended up winning the state championship that year. Okay, the first one for Athens Drive. But I just remember that game and I remember just going off and I was like, okay. And we won. I think we were playing against Broughton. They were number one in the state. So we won the game. I get home that night and I get the phone call. Hey, it's George Tarantini. Hey, go. You see, stay, speak to Marlon. I was like, okay, hey, this is he. And I said, I want you, I want you. I want to offer you full scholarship according Sea Steak. And I was speechless. And I said, can I call you back?

Mick Hunt (17:27)

There you go, there you go. I got the Tar Heels on the other line.

Marlo Campbell (17:31)

I hung up the phone, went upstairs, told my mom and dad. I said, I just got a call from George Tarantino in Sea State. And they said, what'd you tell him? I said, I gotta call them back. Like, man, you better get down there.

Mick Unplugged Host (17:46)

You know?

Marlo Campbell (17:47)

So it was, it was, it was just unique. He was. And it was special because Coach, we all call him Coach. He was originally from Argentina. His brother was the best defender in the world for Argentina and the 78 World Cup. You know, this is powerful, intimidating figure that was on the phone with me. And I'm a 17 year old boy still, right? So. But he, but he has this way of just, just making you feel good. Okay. Of course. Because when they're recruiting you, they love you. Okay? And then as soon as you get on campus, you're like, wait, oh, I thought you liked me. Coach, what's up? Okay, so. But he was like, yeah, I want you to be the first player from North Carolina to that I offer a full scholarship to. And I was like, okay, I'll take that. Let's go.

Mick Unplugged Host (18:32)

So I didn't, I didn't know that, sir. So you were the first North Carolina homegrown athlete that he offered a scholarship.

Marlo Campbell (18:40)

Yeah. Full scholarship.

Mick Unplugged Host (18:41)

Yep.

Marlo Campbell (18:41)

That's why. Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (18:42)

So how's that make you feel to.

Mick Hunt (18:44)

Like, say that out loud?

Marlo Campbell (18:45)

No, man. I mean, he. It's always been special, and, you know, that's who coach is. You know, he was. And I learned a lot. You talk about just looking after people. Coach always wanted to look after the little guy. He always wanted to give people an opportunity. Okay. And even in. In today's times, I. You know, whether it's through any of my businesses or just in coaching, I've. I've loved coaching. And people always ask, well, I don't coach very much anymore. They say, do you miss the coaching? Because they think the wins and losses, like, no, no, no, no. I miss it so much, but I miss the relationship. That's what you build with. With your. With your players. You build with your team. And. And I'm coaching youth. And so now these quote, unquote kids are now 40, 36, 30 years old, rocking it, just repeating the cycle. And every time I run into them, it's just. It's just such a special moment because I remember when you were seven. I remember when you were 17. I remember when you were this. I remember when we lost dad. We were living. I remember when you were going through this with your. With your family. I mean, these are. That's the relationship that you. That you build. And then. So I learned a lot from. From Tarantini with respect to. No matter how he. How he yelled at you or got on you, he loved you. Okay. And he just wanted you to be better. You know? I think. I think personally, I think he was always upset with me because I never came on my recruiting trip. Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (20:26)

So.

Marlo Campbell (20:26)

So I was set to come on the. I had already. I already did it. I already said, I'm coming, coach. Right? He goes, all right, I want you to come into this recruiting trip. I said, all right, I'm gonna come in. And then I got a call from a girl who was a friend, not my girlfriend, who says, marlo, you'll never guess who I'm babysitting for. She said. I said, she goes, Prince's nephews, like the artists.

Mick Unplugged Host (20:53)

The artist.

Marlo Campbell (20:53)

Yes, the artist. For one year, Taika Nelson lived in Raleighsville, Carolina.

Mick Unplugged Host (20:58)

Interesting.

Marlo Campbell (20:59)

And she lived in the same neighborhood as my friend. And she. Larry, she goes, next time I babysit, I'll have you come over. So I went over to the house. Sure enough, president and sir, those were the two nephews. Okay. All Right. Met the boys, they were cool as can be. And. And then about three weeks later, Steph called and said, hey, Prince's Alphabet Street Love Sexy tours coming to Greensboro. And Taika says, I can bring a friend. Do you want to come? And it happened to be the weekend of my recruiting joke. So here I am. I gotta call Tarantini and I'm like, coach, I'm not coming. I'm not coming. On my record, I know you set me up for life, but yo, I'm gonna diss you. Thinking about a hindsight as a coach, I'm like, man, I don't know how I would have accepted that. But he probably hung up the phone like, what's up with this guy? So we were able to ride in a limo from Raleigh to Greensboro with Taika Nelson inside the gate. The whole nine Yards Prince concert. It was, it was a wonderful experience, you know, Crazy. Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (22:05)

And for those that don't know, we've done karaoke four nights here in Montego Bay and Marlo opens up every night with either When Dubs Cry or Purple Rain. Just so you know. So when he talks about Prince being his guy, he really does read that Prince is his God. Yeah. So, so, so much that I want to unpack and unplug, man. So, you know, leadership is my thing. My because is my thing. Right. Like with the reason that we do what they usually do. And so I want to go to you because I don't think I've ever really asked you this question.

Marlo Campbell (22:40)

Oh boy.

Mick Unplugged Host (22:41)

What's your. Because what's your purpose today? Not the 17 year old piazza. We're talking about the, the over 40 Marlowe.

Marlo Campbell (22:50)

Thank you for that. Just, just slightly over 40.

Mick Unplugged Host (22:52)

You signed the display. We're good, we're good. What's your. Because today? What's your purpose today? Oh.

Marlo Campbell (23:00)

I feel like there's so many. Life is short and we all have experiences and what I've learned from a lot of my mentors is can you help the next one? Okay. And I think that's sort of my. That's my. Because I think, can I help the next one? Whether it's. I have a friend of mine that's relocating and had to talk to him about, okay, well do you want to stay in this. Even stay in the same field that you're in right now? You know, it's like you have these gifts, you know, you don't have to keep doing what you're doing. You got options. Okay? You're moving out of choice, not of being forced to Move. Okay. So if you want to get a refresh, get a refresh. And we've gone back and forth, and sure enough, he found something that is still related to his field, but not the same field. And I felt great for him because he's excited. I mean, he. Now I see the energy. So for me, that's a win for me. Okay. In my mind, not to say I'm taking any credit for it, but it just makes me feel good when I'm able to help somebody. Okay. When you can take what you've learned and why I do what I do, no matter what it is, is to try to help others. Okay? Okay. And I. I believe that because my worlds are so commingled that it actually helps me give a different perspective than if I were just a soccer coach or just an insurance agent, or just this or just that. So when you hear scenarios, all of a sudden my database is saying, okay, this, this, this, this. Let's get. Okay, this is how I'm going to help or how I can possibly help. Or as you mentioned, how. Who can I find to help? Because it's not just me, okay? As they say, it takes a village. It's not just me. They say, let me connect you with this person. Let me connect. Oh, I got the perfect person. And I think that I feel. I feel incredibly blessed to have those relationships with wonderful heat.

Mick Unplugged Host (25:07)

Yeah, totally agree. The second thing I want to unplug, I have this huge parallel, right? I run this series on the connection between sports and leadership. And I tell people this all the time. And I don't mean it exclusively, but I personally believe that if you were the leader of your sports team, you were a captain, you were the. The person that rallied the troops. I mean, you make the most dynamic leaders in the business spaces because you see so much and like, in sport, and it doesn't really matter the sport, right? Every match there's going to be adversity, right? There's going to be a letdown, and there's going to come a moment where you just got to be a dog and say, I'm just going to do it anyway. And to me, that's business, right? Like, there's going to be adversity. There's. Sometimes you just got to roll up and say, hey, we're just doing this to marry, right? What do you think about the parallel between business.

Marlo Campbell (26:04)

I'm all about that. I think that especially, like I said, it doesn't matter which sport, but obviously I relate closest to soccer and what people don't Understand is that soccer is a game of mistakes. Otherwise, every time you got the ball, you would score.

Mick Hunt (26:16)

Right?

Marlo Campbell (26:16)

Somebody's going to mess up.

Mick Hunt (26:17)

Right?

Marlo Campbell (26:18)

Somebody's going to mess up. So do you point the finger at that person and then the next time you lose it, you point the finger at that person? No, no, no. Because we're a team, okay? We're trying to process this to get to the promised land, okay? So I'm a big believer in that. That adversity, what you learn from sport, whatever it is, okay, you're gonna. It's steps up, step down, steps up, step down. You just want to keep your eye on what you want to do. So your processes, your vision, what's your end game? Where do you want to go? Okay. It's good. There's going to be some pitfalls. So I do. I definitely think that that translates. And all about the. Okay. As a. As a captain, as a leader, as a coach. Okay? The job of a coach is to get the team ready, okay? They can't play the game. They just got to get them ready. So on game day, that's the players time. That's the fun time. Right. That's the player's time right there. Okay? We can't. We can't. We can't do it for them, okay? And so as a CEO, it's about just like I do it as a coach, when we don't win, I take the responsibility, okay? I can't point the finger and say, you didn't do this, you didn't do that. You know what? I didn't get you ready to do that. How. How could I have helped you be more prepared to get that sale? How could I help you to be better at coaching this person? How could I help you get better at X, Y or Z? Okay? That's. That's the job. That's the role that a leader needs to take, okay? Because. And then when you win, praise has to go to them, too. Absolutely. Praise that. You can't take all the praise. Your name's going to be there, right? But you can't do it without them. And you always got to let them know that, hey, you guys are rock stars.

Mick Unplugged Host (28:06)

So for the leader that's struggling, and they probably don't know they're struggling with this. So I want all the leaders, and I don't care if it's a business, if it's community, if it's your household, like, you are a leader, if you're listening to the podcast, if you are struggling with or not aware on how to give your team crates. Because a lot of times you just said it's real easy to give criticism and we see that a lot. Like I I say where most managers I'm not talking about leaders, where most managers fail is they don't connect with their team because they worry about the bodies, they worry about the gotchas, they worry about the you did this wrong. What's some advice to up wreck your team?

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Marlo Campbell (32:08)

I think that you gotta remember where you started. Okay. You gotta remember who helped you. We all had those people. We all have them. I got them. I got my people on speed, on speed dial, you know, that have. That have helped me when I thought I was great and I realized I'm not great. Okay? They're where. Then I realized that's where I want to be.

Mick Unplugged Host (32:29)

Yeah.

Marlo Campbell (32:29)

Okay. And I take those lessons. So I think that, as you said, it's really easy to point the finger, as they say. You know, when you point the finger, you got three more coming back at you. Okay. And that's a. That's a just a great concept to always remember. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we can all see it. Oh, yeah, they messed up. But most times people know they messed up. Okay? Why we got to rub it in? Okay? Why do we have to make them feel even worse than what they already are? Okay, can we pick them up? Can we. Can we. Can we acknowledge and learn from it? Can we acknowledge and make it better the next time? Okay? That's. That's really all that it is, man. That's all it is.

Mick Unplugged Host (33:12)

So second last question before we get wrapped in fire. For the parents that are watching Robustine that don't have their kids sports, why is it important to have your kids in some type of sport? I'm going to Say, as soon as possible, but. But whenever that becomes accessible for you. Like, why is having your kids in sports important in. For their development in sport, physically, for their mental. Yeah. For their community association. Right. I. I know you're a huge advocate of that, so.

Marlo Campbell (33:49)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (33:49)

Why is that important to you?

Marlo Campbell (33:51)

Well, no matter what the sport is, I think it's more of a psychological thing. Okay. So the psychology of having a goal, achieving success. Having a goal and not achieving success and learning from it. Okay. It's a great mentor or whatever, Whatever you're choosing to do, whether it's an individual sport like a tennis or a golf. Okay. Or a team sport like a basketball or soccer or lacrosse. The team sports just teaches people how to work together. Okay. We have to depend on each other. But also, people are dependent upon you. Okay? So when you get into the workforce or you get into school or you get into whatever it may be, if you don't know how to work with others, you may struggle. Okay. Not everybody can be Picasso, Okay? Okay. And just, you know, do their thing. And most people work on some sort of team, whether it's a partnership, whether it's a team of a thousand people at a big Fortune 500 company, okay? You're. You're part of a team. Most people are. Okay. So that's what sport teaches you. Okay. But also, if you're not involved in sport, sport, if you're a musician, you're part of a band, the band is not clicking. If the drummer is not doing his thing and the bassist is not doing her thing, then what's up? They don't. It just don't sound right. I mean, we've heard some really bad karaoke, you know what I'm saying?

Mick Unplugged Host (35:23)

So, you know, so they were all, cheers to this.

Marlo Campbell (35:31)

You know what? But I can say that because I did it.

Mick Unplugged Host (35:33)

Okay?

Marlo Campbell (35:33)

Those who don't do it, I don't know if you can talk smack about those that are doing it. Right. Okay. Okay. But, you know, it's, you know, so it's just really about being a part of a team. And I use that word team with whether. Whatever position I'm in, whatever. Whatever role that I'm in, would call the team. We're a team. This is my squad. Okay? This is what I'm rolling with. And I think that that plays a really good part in, like I said, dealing with that adversity in life.

Mick Unplugged Host (36:03)

No, I love that, man. So for all the parents, seriously, get your. Get your kids involved in Stewart again. It doesn't matter the sport, but Then also you be involved as well.

Mick Hunt (36:14)

Right.

Mick Unplugged Host (36:14)

Like I would say, it's almost worse to have your child in sport and then you don't show interest in what you're doing into their social development, their physical events of a solid make as well as a coach. So this will be the last question before we arrive at player as a coach. What are some things that you see parents should be doing better or differently as it relates to their kids and involved, aside from not, you know, wanting their kid to be the star quarterback or they quit when they can't be the goal?

Marlo Campbell (36:47)

Well. Well, it's interesting because I see it from so many different perspectives. I have three wonderful children that were involved in activities growing up, and they're still involved in a lot of activities. I think just being present for them. Okay. Is the first thing, just being there, supportive, you know, Number two, making sure that you're not blaming their coach or their individual player. Yeah. Okay. Because when they hear you start saying these things, then they lose respect for their coach. Okay. Same thing for a teacher. Same thing for whomever. You just want to make sure that you're there to understand that you're there to support your child and their team. Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (37:37)

And.

Marlo Campbell (37:40)

And if they know that, then they're going to be a part of it. They're gonna. They're one. They want to do a longer. They'll want to. They'll want to. They'll want to. They'll work harder at it. They'll want to do things to make you happy as a parent as well.

Mick Unplugged Host (37:54)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (37:55)

You know?

Mick Unplugged Host (37:55)

Yeah.

Marlo Campbell (37:56)

So, you know, we're all teaching each other. We all learn. You don't have to be older to be the teacher. You can be younger and still be the teacher. The child can teach the parent about what it means to be supportive. Okay. Especially when it's. When it's. When it's tough. Okay. When it. When. When a child is struggling with making their free throws or catching a ball or defending or scoring a goal. Okay. It's so important that, you know, you get out there with them and you say, hey, you got this again. This game is. This game, this world. Life is psychological and how you approach it. Okay. Um. I always remember when I first got into the insurance business, I was out in Palm Springs, California, and there was a gentleman by the name of Keith Harrell who spoke and he talked about his book, Attitude is Everything. And that's just resonated me ever since I was young. See, attitude is everything. It's all about how you approach it. Okay. And so as a parent, your attitude is how everything and how your child is going to progress with whatever they do. Okay. Whether it's the same school, sports, life, work, whatever it is. Okay. Your friendships, the people you meet. Everything is going to be. Your attitude is everything. How are you approaching this? Okay. Is it open or are we just being close minded? Okay. And you got to give it a chance. Got to give them a chance.

Mick Unplugged Host (39:15)

Totally agree.

Marlo Campbell (39:16)

Totally agree.

Mick Hunt (39:17)

All right.

Mick Unplugged Host (39:17)

You ready for some rap the Fire?

Marlo Campbell (39:18)

Not really.

Mick Unplugged Host (39:19)

You should take a sip. I'm coming in. I'm coming in with the heat. Coming in with the heat. All right, so unc, the school you went to. Big rivals, right? And I don't care what colleges you went to. You know, you're right, right, right. What was your record against Carolina in soccer?

Marlo Campbell (39:38)

2 and 2. We won both games at home. They won both games at their place.

Mick Unplugged Host (39:43)

Okay, what about all sport? What was your record against mine during your four years? Assuming you win four years? Well, it is this. He said.

Marlo Campbell (39:53)

Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (39:53)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (39:54)

We actually. Well, actually we went to class. Okay. So that part. And we just didn't put on it at UNC Online. We were online back in the early 90s. No, we. We were hot. We were hot. And because I was there. Again, you trying to tell my age? But when we were there, we were hot in every sport.

Mick Unplugged Host (40:15)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (40:15)

We took care of you guys, so. Yes, no doubt.

Mick Unplugged Host (40:17)

So you're not giving me a number. I can look you in the eye and you in the eye. All sport. Carolina vs. State when I was in school.

Marlo Campbell (40:25)

Huh?

Mick Hunt (40:26)

All Sports. All sports.

Mick Unplugged Host (40:28)

73 and 4, bro. We only lost the state four times ever. All sports, just, you know, little brother status.

Marlo Campbell (40:37)

You know what, that was just a time. You know, they call it the dark period Renaissance and I don't know, something like that. Okay, I. I can neither confirm nor deny what you're saying. Okay. But if you're getting your information from Wikipedia, I'm not sure if that's what's up.

Mick Unplugged Host (40:55)

And that's 20, 25. We have more sources.

Marlo Campbell (40:56)

Okay, okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (40:57)

We have.

Marlo Campbell (40:57)

All right.

Mick Unplugged Host (40:57)

Sources.

Marlo Campbell (40:58)

Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (40:58)

All right. So your top five NC State basketball roster.

Mick Hunt (41:05)

And it's got to be like, they.

Mick Unplugged Host (41:06)

Got to be able to play a game. So you can't go like five point Mars, right?

Marlo Campbell (41:09)

Oh, yeah.

Mick Hunt (41:09)

Give me your top five.

Mick Unplugged Host (41:10)

So we're going to put your top.

Mick Hunt (41:12)

Five against my top five. Oh.

Marlo Campbell (41:13)

So.

Mick Hunt (41:13)

And we're going to let the audience.

Mick Unplugged Host (41:14)

Know who wins these games.

Marlo Campbell (41:16)

Oh, top five.

Mick Hunt (41:17)

Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (41:17)

You're starting five.

Marlo Campbell (41:18)

Okay. I'm going to go with my boy, Coach. That's my dog right there, man. All time assist leader, ncaa. When he left, okay, so he was fire. Okay, he was fire.

Mick Unplugged Host (41:28)

He was fired.

Marlo Campbell (41:29)

And I got to go with his partner, Ice. I mean, the best shooter ever to play in the league. Okay, yeah, in the league. So you're going Rodney Monroe.

Mick Unplugged Host (41:38)

Okay, so you're going Rodney Monroe over like Sydney Lowe.

Marlo Campbell (41:42)

Yeah, yeah. You said. You said, I need five. You need five now. Whit's my boy now. I mean, you know that. I mean, on this podcast, you know what's a great passer? You know, that's how they won a national championship. People thought it was a shot, but it was a pass to Lorenzo Charles in 83 with.

Mick Hunt (41:58)

Okay, you and I have had this conversation at Ted and Grill.

Mick Unplugged Host (42:01)

You thought. When it left your finger, you told me this. You thought it was bottom of the neck. You told me that it was smooth.

Marlo Campbell (42:08)

That's what threw everybody off, because everybody's looking around. But our man, rest in peace. Lorenzo knew what was up. It was a set play that Jimmy B. Has drawn up. So that's what's up.

Mick Unplugged Host (42:19)

That's not what being told.

Marlo Campbell (42:20)

Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (42:20)

All right, so you got two.

Mick Hunt (42:22)

You got your backcourt.

Marlo Campbell (42:22)

Oh, you got my backcourt. You know, small four. We're going with the. Oh, the greatest college basketball player ever. Skywalker. Skywalker. David thompson.

Mick Unplugged Host (42:33)

He was MJ's idol. He was MJ's idol.

Marlo Campbell (42:35)

Yeah, MJ was. MJ was decent.

Mick Hunt (42:37)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (42:39)

We're talking college, not pro college. He was the best.

Mick Unplugged Host (42:42)

You saw the jumper?

Marlo Campbell (42:43)

Okay, okay. It was a nice jumper. Okay. All right. I'll tell you what, man. My power forward, man, that's. That's a. Oh, I'm keeping it with the guys I play with. I gotta go with Googs, man. Tom Gugliata, Beast.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:00)

The second best NBA career. Won't say you wears that should tell you something, right? Shout out to Googs. You're a good guy, but. Yeah, okay. Tom Goose. Piata.

Marlo Campbell (43:11)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:11)

All right, so we're going Fire and Ice.

Marlo Campbell (43:13)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:13)

David Thompson. Googs.

Marlo Campbell (43:17)

Now I really got to think about my center.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:19)

You sure do. You haven't had too many of them.

Marlo Campbell (43:21)

No, you know, because everybody's a stretch five. Now I'm gonna see if I want to banker see who I could get.

Mick Hunt (43:30)

I mean, who you should say.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:31)

But. But we'll see if you say it.

Marlo Campbell (43:33)

Who you gonna say? Chris Washburn.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:35)

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Absolutely.

Marlo Campbell (43:39)

Oh, man.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:40)

Right to him.

Mick Hunt (43:41)

Very easy.

Marlo Campbell (43:41)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My guy Washburn. Yes, yes, yes. No, he could he could.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:47)

He could do it.

Marlo Campbell (43:48)

He could.

Mick Hunt (43:48)

He.

Marlo Campbell (43:48)

Man, that's the story between him and Shackelford, man. But I don't know, man. I mean, Burleson, I mean, if you're just gonna go some height. Cause I gotta, you know.

Mick Unplugged Host (43:58)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (43:59)

Meet somebody that's gonna get some rebounds. I mean, that's a big boy. You're talking about when they were playing at their prime. I'm gonna go with Burleson. Okay, so it's a good mix, right?

Mick Unplugged Host (44:09)

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Marlo Campbell (44:10)

For the play against your JV squad. Is that what you're saying?

Mick Unplugged Host (44:13)

So, all right, Burrows hit at the five, Googs at the four. Dt at three. Rodney Moreau, the two. Courtyard the point.

Marlo Campbell (44:23)

Yes.

Mick Unplugged Host (44:25)

You can pick my five. You can pick my five. And we just watched them.

Mick Hunt (44:30)

So.

Mick Unplugged Host (44:30)

So for everybody that's watching and listening, they had to Google three out of those five. They had to go see this guy, this guy they had. So I'm just gonna go top of the dome because I can match that up.

Mick Hunt (44:42)

Okay?

Mick Unplugged Host (44:43)

So I'm gonna go Phil Ford to the point. I could have gone Kenny Smith. I could have.

Marlo Campbell (44:47)

You had to go with that.

Mick Unplugged Host (44:48)

I could have gone Ed coda, my guy, my point guard, coda.

Marlo Campbell (44:50)

Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (44:51)

I'm gonna go Phil for it.

Marlo Campbell (44:52)

Okay, fair enough.

Mick Unplugged Host (44:54)

All right, so, you know, you brought up Jordan in the pro people. Go watch Jordan play in college, bro. Like.

Mick Hunt (45:01)

Like, Jordan shot, like, 60% from the field.

Marlo Campbell (45:04)

Yeah, we only took five shots a game because Dean was holding them back.

Mick Hunt (45:07)

That's all we had to do.

Marlo Campbell (45:08)

I mean, come on, man.

Mick Hunt (45:08)

Five for five.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:09)

Okay, so I'm going Jordan. Okay, man, I could go anywhere. I could give you Vince of the three. I could.

Marlo Campbell (45:17)

I could go old school.

Mick Hunt (45:19)

I could give you Rick box at the three, Right?

Mick Unplugged Host (45:22)

Like, you don't have to Google these names. You don't have to.

Marlo Campbell (45:25)

Oh, Vanessa's husband.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:26)

You don't have to Google these rickle.

Mick Hunt (45:28)

Slap taste at you.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:32)

I'm gonna go James, worthy of the three.

Marlo Campbell (45:34)

Oh, at the three.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:35)

Yeah. Okay, we'll go James, worthy of the three. Okay.

Marlo Campbell (45:38)

That'd be a good match of him and David.

Mick Hunt (45:39)

Okay, that's why.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:40)

That's why I went there, because I know he could.

Mick Hunt (45:42)

He'll shut that down. Okay. That's easy work.

Marlo Campbell (45:44)

Big game, James.

Mick Hunt (45:45)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:45)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (45:46)

All right.

Mick Hunt (45:47)

At the four and five, man.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:48)

Like, I could go anywhere. So I'm gonna give you hands rug the four. Just because that's our.

Mick Hunt (45:58)

That's our intimidating force down there.

Mick Unplugged Host (45:59)

Shout out to th t. You know you're my guy. At the five, man.

Mick Hunt (46:05)

Like, we could go stretch. I could give you Rasheed.

Mick Unplugged Host (46:09)

I could put Antoine down there. The five if I really wanted to. I could give you Brad Dougherty. I could give you Sam Perkins. Like, I could just keep giving you name. I could give you so many.

Mick Hunt (46:19)

Give you all those names.

Mick Unplugged Host (46:20)

Okay. But I'm giving you the guy.

Marlo Campbell (46:22)

Okay.

Mick Hunt (46:23)

And this is a shout out to him.

Mick Unplugged Host (46:25)

We lost him last year. I'm gonna give a shout out to my guy.

Mick Hunt (46:28)

Big grits.

Mick Unplugged Host (46:28)

I'm going, Eric Montrose.

Marlo Campbell (46:30)

Montross. Now, that's a good call.

Mick Unplugged Host (46:31)

I'm going.

Marlo Campbell (46:32)

Eric Montross is a great dude, man. Good people. Yeah. Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (46:35)

And I just. I put that five just to set your five down. Just to shut yourself.

Marlo Campbell (46:41)

I don't think you have enough score.

Mick Unplugged Host (46:42)

Phil Ford and Jordan are going to put up 40.

Marlo Campbell (46:44)

I don't think you have enough. I don't think you got enough scoring.

Mick Hunt (46:47)

And you were.

Marlo Campbell (46:48)

Are we playing with the three or without the three?

Mick Unplugged Host (46:49)

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It literally feel four is deadly from three. Phil Ford, even though he never saw it through. Yes, he was deadly. It's like Pistol Pete. Pistol Pete averaged 200 points a game. I know. No three point. Yeah, he'll be deadly at the three.

Marlo Campbell (47:08)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (47:08)

Bill Ford was that same guy. And you know we're going four corners to shut it.

Marlo Campbell (47:13)

Oh, yeah. Is there. Is there a shot clock?

Mick Unplugged Host (47:15)

It doesn't matter what kind of rules we playing with. Go up 10. Y' all are. Y' all are done. We go up to. Y' all can't come back. Y' all have no speed on hoppets. No speed. We got big grits to send everything.

Marlo Campbell (47:26)

I don't. I don't know, man.

Mick Unplugged Host (47:27)

I don't know. And Harrisville is going to give you 25 boards.

Mick Hunt (47:31)

All right.

Mick Unplugged Host (47:32)

That was supposed to be rapid fire. You just. We went on t. That's what Marlo and I did. All right, so last, last, last. Rapid fire.

Mick Hunt (47:40)

We were talking about this a little.

Mick Unplugged Host (47:42)

Bit the other night. We were educating our spouses. This. Give me your top three albums all time. Oh, and I go an album not just off of a song. I'm talking about the complete track one to track 12.

Marlo Campbell (47:59)

Okay.

Mick Hunt (48:00)

If you had to just.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:01)

You going on a. A trip, and you got three albums you can listen to.

Mick Hunt (48:05)

Okay.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:05)

The whole time on rotation. Jimmy.

Marlo Campbell (48:07)

Oh, wow.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:08)

They, man dangerous.

Marlo Campbell (48:10)

I've got two, and I'm trying to think of the third. I'm trying to think of the 3rd.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:19)

And for those listening and watching, I want you to. In the.

Mick Hunt (48:22)

In the notes.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:22)

Give me your top three albums of all time.

Mick Hunt (48:24)

So.

Marlo Campbell (48:26)

Albums. Full albums, front to back.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:28)

Yeah, the whole 45.

Marlo Campbell (48:30)

Okay, here. Here's where we're gonna go.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:32)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (48:32)

I'm gonna start with.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:37)

I. I got.

Marlo Campbell (48:38)

I think I. I'm gonna start with one that definitely influenced me in high school, and I think it. It set off a. A whole generation of hip hop. Okay. I'm gonna go with 3A and 3B, because they came out the same time.

Mick Unplugged Host (48:58)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (48:58)

That's. Okay. The four. And that was Run dmc, Raising Hell.

Mick Unplugged Host (49:02)

Yep.

Marlo Campbell (49:03)

And Beastie Boys, License to Ill. Because you.

Mick Unplugged Host (49:07)

You were.

Marlo Campbell (49:07)

Those came out the same time, and everybody was playing both of them. And I think what it did is it started so many different trends in the music industry from those two albums. Okay. And you still hear tracks on them right now, and people know those songs. Okay, I'm gonna go off the track. Me and my boy Pat Noel were talking about this up in Annapolis, Maryland. Led Zeppelin 4, you say front to back.

Mick Unplugged Host (49:38)

Front to back. You were not lying.

Marlo Campbell (49:40)

Led Zeppelin 4.

Mick Unplugged Host (49:41)

Yes. Is.

Marlo Campbell (49:42)

Is.

Mick Unplugged Host (49:42)

Because they show complete range.

Marlo Campbell (49:44)

Yeah. On that.

Mick Unplugged Host (49:45)

Oh, man.

Marlo Campbell (49:46)

Everything great. Everything.

Mick Hunt (49:47)

I agree.

Marlo Campbell (49:48)

I agree. And I could have made this all about the artists, but, I mean, I could have just named all the French albums, but of course, you know, I can listen to Purple Rain anytime, any place. Controversy may be a better album, though, which was his.

Mick Unplugged Host (50:09)

Another one with Range.

Marlo Campbell (50:11)

Yeah.

Mick Unplugged Host (50:11)

Another one with. You know.

Marlo Campbell (50:12)

So I'm not gonna go with the one that everybody wants me to say.

Mick Unplugged Host (50:16)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (50:16)

Which is Purple Ran.

Mick Unplugged Host (50:18)

Okay.

Marlo Campbell (50:19)

Interestingly enough, his Love Sexy album. Okay. You had to listen to it from front to back.

Mick Unplugged Host (50:27)

Yeah.

Marlo Campbell (50:27)

He came out and said, you cannot skip from.

Mick Unplugged Host (50:30)

Right.

Marlo Campbell (50:30)

From one track to another track.

Mick Hunt (50:31)

I remember.

Marlo Campbell (50:32)

So if you really want to go with the ultimate front to back, it's got to be that one, because you can't get to song nine without getting through one through eight first.

Mick Unplugged Host (50:39)

That is very true. That is also very true. I dig it. Marlo, man, I appreciate you. And I wanted to tell you this. I mean, we see each other all the time. We tell each other. I've never really told you this, man. Like, one of the things that I most admire about you, and you kind of hit it on every year, but being present with. With all the things that you have going on, man, your first job was being a dad. I say your second job is being a husband. Right. You might reverse those however you want to, but. But that's what I admire most about you, Matt. Like, between you and Damon, man, like you, you guys have shown me, and not just told me, but shown them.

Mick Hunt (51:18)

No matter what your schedule looks like.

Mick Unplugged Host (51:21)

Remember what your real job is. That's to be a dad, be a husband. So I wanted to tell you, man, like, you and Damon are the two people that I booked to. To help remind me of that on a daily basis. Because, I mean, you know what? Our schedules were like pro life. I mean, we're. We're at home sometimes two days a week out of out of a month. Like, literally, we might be home two days a week out of a month, but you can still be present. You can still find ways to make sure that you're impacting and making sure you get time to be there for those that matter. So I just wanted to tell each of your face, no, no, no.

Marlo Campbell (51:56)

I respect the hell out of you. No, no, no. I appreciate that, man. But as I said before, Mentorship and inspiration comes from many levels, okay? And it's. And it's interesting. We were having a conversation yesterday with some young gentlemen from Canada, and they're like. They asked the questions like, is this guy for real? And I said, man, there's one thing I know about Mick. If he says he's going to do it, he's going to do it. And to that, you inspire me with that. Okay? So. So I may have some. Some more grays up here and some more. Some more truth. And what do they say? Rings around my tree or whatever. Okay. But you know what? I'm always learning, okay? And that's what we always have to do. And you inspire me to be great. Just spending time with you this week, I mean, you inspire me to be great. And so I just want to tell you that that man. Love everything you're doing. You are. And. And. And you're not. You haven't stopped, and I don't see you stopping.

Mick Unplugged Host (53:04)

I can't.

Marlo Campbell (53:04)

You're not gonna stop. Can't stop. Won't stop.

Mick Unplugged Host (53:06)

That legacy.

Marlo Campbell (53:06)

Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. You. You. What you do, everything you do is for. It's inspiring to me.

Mick Unplugged Host (53:15)

I appreciate that, brother. This is to you.

Marlo Campbell (53:17)

All right?

Mick Unplugged Host (53:18)

To Montego Bay and to all the viewers and listeners. Remember, your b. Call us. Is your superpower bill releasing.

Mick Hunt (53:27)

That's another powerful conversation on Mick Unplugged. If this episode moved you, and I'm sure it did, Follow the show wherever you listen. Share it with someone who needs that spark, and leave a review so more people can find there, because I'm Rudy Rush. And until next time, stay driven, stay focused. And stay unplugged.

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