Pastor Keon Henderson (2:45)

I think that's probably one of the best questions I've ever asked and I have been asked and I've never heard that before. I've never heard of because I do it because I was born to. I don't have any other option. And that's the truth. Like, I have tried not to do it. I have said I wasn't going to do it. I've tried to run away from doing it. I convinced myself I wasn't good at doing it. And I keep doing it because I'm supposed to, because I was born to, because I was created to. And I think that the because is a reflection of the purpose that you were divinely given. And you do it because you were designed to do it. Why do cars drive? Because that's the ability they've been given. Why do planes fly? Because that's the ability they've been given. Why do dogs bark? Because they can. I do it because I can. And there's some things I don't do because I can't. Right. So I do it because I can. And I think that that's something I'm going to put in my repertoire as a way of encouraging and motivating myself. Like, you do this because and I'm going to fill in the bank.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (3:55)

Hey, that's how I built the foundation of my life. And you know, I always tell people I'm nothing but a 10 year old boy who made a promise to his mom to change her life and then impact my siblings lives. And because of the promise that I will always keep, that's why I do what I do, man. And so I love and appreciate your take on your because and you stating it because to me that is genuinely who you are. And the way that you so eloquently described your because is one of the reasons why I'm always live streaming or following or watching all the things that you do. Because you have this unique superpower, Pastor Keon. And I don't know if anybody sold you this. You have this unique superpower and it probably goes back to your always being with the one to relate to everybody and to communicate on the level that they need to be communicated on. Like you have this superpower that I know you can talk literally to everyone, but not just talk, but then impact them when did you know that that was you and a gift that you.

Pastor Keon Henderson (5:02)

Had probably around 14 years old, and. And it's crazy you said that, because my. My ninth grade basketball coach, his name was Mr. Ronnie Edmonds, and he told me that when I was 14, and he made me the captain of our basketball team. But here's the thing about it. I ended up playing Division 1 college basketball, but I started out on the freshman B team, so I wasn't. I wasn't even a starter. Yeah, I was on the bench for the B team and I was the captain, so that doesn't make sense. Right. So you're the captain of the team that you don't play in the game for. I wasn't good enough to get in the game. And he said, but I need you to pray before every game, and I need you to lead these guys. And eventually that leadership led me to being a starter on a Division 1 basketball team and being the captain. And so I learned it at 14 because somebody told me that they saw it in me. And here's the big. The big idea or the thesis that I think that comes out of the question is that you don't know who you are because you are who you are. You know who you are because people start to tell you who you are. I think that greatness is discovered by the friction that happens between people rubbing up against each other. And you'll know you're great because you don't have to tell anybody you are. Somebody will tell you, hey, my life changed when you found your. Because right when you started to operate in the thing that you do. So I found it out at 14. But here's the thing, Mick. I doubted it until recently.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (6:44)

What?

Pastor Keon Henderson (6:45)

Man, I. People don't believe me. I. Sometimes I leave the pulpit and say, oh, that was so horrible. I could think of 5,000 things I could have said. Why did you rush through that? Why didn't you take your time? Why didn't you think deeper about that? And then somebody like you will come up to me and say, man, that's the best sermon I ever heard in my life. It changed when I'm like, what? Because I think that when you're good at something, you're probably the last person to know it. If you operate in humility, I think when you find out first, that's called pride. So I found out at 14, doubted it until recently. And now I'm settling into, you know what? I can do this. I can do this. If I stay prayed up, if I stay humble, if I keep studying If I keep caring about people, if I don't allow light to become my reality, and if I don't allow applause to make me high or rejection to make me low, because I get both, then I can do this. And I think that when you do it for people and you don't do it for yourself, when that why and that because come together, it makes magic. And you taught me something today that because it's going to stay. Listen, you're going to hear me say that on the stream. And Mick, I'm going to give you credit. The first time I'm gonna say, the first time I'm say, my buddy Mick said, you got to have a. Because the second time I said, I'm going to say, you know, I heard somewhere before that you got to have a. Because the third time I said, I'm gonna say, when the Lord laid it on my heart. That's the trajectory of revelation. You told me, I heard it somewhere before.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (8:31)

God told me, hey, that's how it works, right? That is totally how it works, man. So you just brought up something and it's an internal conflict for me. Right? Like, I work with leaders. Right? You are a leader and you also coach other leaders as well. One of the conflicts I have is perfection. Right. Just like you. Right? You're just like, man, there were 20 things I should have done differently. And if I would have just said this and I can't go back and do it, but I sometimes hurt myself. Imperfection that it either becomes a stumbling block or I don't accept how good something actually was. Until, like you said, someone tells you, man, that was awesome. But I'm still, even when they tell me that was awesome, I'm like, but you don't know the speech I had in my head, though. You don't know what it was supposed to be like. How do you, one, internally deal with that? Because I need you to coach me on that. And then two, how do you coach others about you don't have to be perfect every time?

Pastor Keon Henderson (9:32)

Yeah. So I've learned that there is a difference between ego and effective. The ego says that you would have been better if you said what you thought. Effective says you said what you said and it worked. Ego makes you try to backtrack to go grab words that you didn't use. And effectiveness said you were enough in the moment. And so it's an internal battle that you have to recognize that you are a divine creature and that you are a human who has prepared themselves for the moment. You've got to Trust. I've got to trust. We've got to trust that what comes out of a prepared soul is enough. And perhaps everything that is derived in preparation is not necessary for presentation. Just because I studied it and gathered it and thought it doesn't necessarily mean it would have worked. I probably would have cheapened the moment had I used unnecessary words. That would have only shown people that I was a little more intelligent. And people are not interested in your intelligence. They're impressed by your effectiveness. So I have to tell myself, after I get through all of the sympathy sessions and the, the guilt trips of what I could have said and been better, you know, what I said when I left home? I wanted to help people. If a person told me that they were helped, then the, the. The win is their expression and not what I thought I should have done differently.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (11:06)

I needed that. You saw me taking notes. I have some things I'm going to go fix right now.

Pastor Keon Henderson (11:11)

Yeah, I appreciate that. It's. It's absolutely the truth, you know, not being afraid to let people, and not on every case, but not being afraid of letting people be the mirror for you. Like, if you keep looking in the mirror at yourself, you're going to find all of the imperfections. You're going to find everything that's wrong. And only reason why we find what's wrong is because we're comparing it to what somebody else has that we perceive as right. But it might be right for them, but it isn't right for you. What if. What if my arms were on your body? That would make you look awkward.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (11:45)

Right?

Pastor Keon Henderson (11:46)

Right. If your arms were on my body. They say, who's a skinny guy with the, with the built arms? Who's the skinny guy with the biceps? You know, it's like my, my anatomy fits with what I have. And that we can accessorize our life based on everybody's high points and then mesh it all in together because then that isn't the authenticity of who we are as individuals. You know, a lot of people come to our church not because I'm successful, but because I failed where they failed. Everybody that's in that room isn't there because I'm good at what I'm good at. Some of them are there because I didn't quit when I felt inadequate. And there's some place in their life right now feeling inadequate. And they get from me, well, I won't quit either. So my testimony isn't just my success. It's also my stretch marks, like how, how much I've been ripped and pulled. And the amount of tears I've cried and the amount of moments I felt like not enough. And the rejection of my father. And, you know, I didn't even meet my. My brother, who I'm so close to right now. I've known him my whole life, but he didn't even know I was his brother until I was a teenager. Like, that's crazy that I was around him my whole life. And it took me to be 15 years old for him to know that I was his blood brother. Like, I've been through so much, you know, like, our church being hit by a hurricane and. And our team coming together to figure out how to just keep the doors open. Like, we've been through so much. And there are people in our lives, Mick, who are not there just because we're great. Some of them are there because we got a grind that we didn't quit when it wasn't great, and that we kept a smile on our face through all of the hell and high water. So you get it from both ways. Some people are there because of the education. Some are there because of the survival of ignorance. All things work together.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (13:46)

Yes, sir.

Pastor Keon Henderson (13:47)

For the good of them that love the Lord and are called according to their purpose.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (13:51)

Man, that was a sermon in and of itself right there. Wow. That again, you're giving me things that I need. Like, I already have, like, six different things as notes that I'm going to go start working on today just because of this man. Like, that is why you are who you are, right? That is why you are who you are.

Pastor Keon Henderson (14:12)

Also, I've got to give you credit, because I could spend the same half hour with somebody, and they will get nothing. So don't discount the efficacy of your ability to translate information into actionable items. I was with a mentor of mine at a breakfast not too long ago, and he had one of the country's most prominent lawyers at the breakfast with us. Both he and his wife are attorneys. I was just happy to be there. So, Mick, this is what I did. I sat at the breakfast. I didn't say a word. I was just in my phone taking notes. And I even said to them, I said, if you see me in my phone, I am not texting anybody. I'm just writing down the things that y' all saying accidentally. So I'm typing it. I'm typing it. And so the mentor introduces me to the lawyer, and he says, I want you to also help him. I want you to help him. And these are his exact words. He said, I want you to help him to wrap the quilt around his vision to keep it warm in the winter. I was like, oh, it's brilliant. The lawyer says to me, it would be my honor to help you. And he says at the table, he says, I want to help you because I've learned something about you in the last 30 minutes that I didn't know coming in. He says, you will listen. Say if I had been at the table talking and, you know, texting and, and cheapening the experience because I go to the table thinking I know more than I know, then I don't leave with someone who's willing to help me post the breakfast. Okay? So you have to give yourself credit for being able to take the opportunity and get something out of it you. Because there would be somebody sitting right in that same chair with that same amazing background, by the way. I don't know where you are, but I absolutely love everything about that background and not get the same thing. And so it's not about being in the right place as much as it is being the right person in every place. Because if you're the right person, you can get good out of the wrong place.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (16:36)

See, another one, Another one.

Pastor Keon Henderson (16:41)

You sound like DJ Khaled when you said that. And another one.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (16:48)

Wow, man. So I'm taking a lot of notes, a lot of things I'm gonna put in. I told you offline, I can't put this book down the shift. Right? It is definitely one of my go tos. I have like three or four books aside from the Bible, obviously, that I'm in every day. Because just like the Bible is a collection of books that most people, most Christians go to daily. I also think that you can have your own collection of books that you go to on a daily basis. And to me, this is one of them. And so, and I mean that sincerely, I mean that genuinely. If people could see the inside of this book. I have a whole bunch of highlights and handwritten notes, so much so that I've got another copy on this bookshelf over there too. But I had a couple of things down, man, because I can go directly to the source. And I'll tell you, I'm an audio guy, I'm an audiobook listener because I'm always traveling. And so I was listening and starting in chapter one, you had something that made me go buy the hard copy of this book. And you said, problems can't be solved by the same mindset that created them, brother. When I heard that on the audiobook, I literally pulled over. I was Driving. I stopped my car. I wrote that down, and I just stayed in thought for 15 minutes on the side of the interstate with that. Because while I probably knew that, I never heard it. And when I heard it and then when I saw it, I said, wow. That's the key, right? Problems can't be solved with the same mindset that created them, man. Like, can you break that down for us a little bit?

Pastor Keon Henderson (18:38)

I'm gonna tell you where. Can I tell you where I got the concept from? Where I. Absolutely. So I was at a. A conference, and I was the poorest person in the room. This one guy said, oh, I want you to praise God with me. I just sold my company for $70 million last week. And I was just like. One guy said, another guy. It was 30 leaders. I mean, they were all amazing. I was the least of everybody in the room. Every. I mean, everybody in the room. One guy said it was called the brag session. One guy said, I want to brag because last week I purchased 7,000 acres. Wow. So it got down, and I saw it coming to me, Mick, and I was like, oh, don't come over here.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (19:43)

My brag is, I'm here. I'm in the room.

Pastor Keon Henderson (19:45)

I mean, don't bring it over here, because I didn't sell a company for 70 million, and I don't have 7,000 square feet, let alone 77,000 acres. Don't even come over here. It gets to me, and they say, what are you going to brag about? I said, the biggest brag I have is I'm in the room with the 29 of you and that I'm going to learn something in this room that I didn't know. When I came in, one of the guys leaned up to me and he said, you know, the mindset that you.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (20:26)

Have.

Pastor Keon Henderson (20:31)

Has accumulated the things that you do have. He said, but it is the same mindset that'll keep it from doubling. And it blew my mind.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (20:41)

Yep.

Pastor Keon Henderson (20:42)

And I thought at that moment that what got you here can't get you there. The mindset that you have is the reason why you make $50,000 a year. It's also the same mindset that will keep it from being 5 million a year. So if you're going to go to the next level, even the Bible says this. If a man is going to be changed, it has to be by the renewing of his mind. I tend to believe that a majority of the successes and blockades that we experience in our life start in the mental capacity, not physical. If it's physical. How do you explain a man with no arms and no legs being one of the most prolific self help motivational speakers the world has ever seen?

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (21:33)

Exactly.

Pastor Keon Henderson (21:34)

Born with no limbs, but didn't let it stop them. Next to somebody who has the capacity for everything and doesn't have the energy to think themselves out of the day. So it starts here. And so if it starts here, then it's multiplied here. Yeah, if it starts here and it's multiplied here, it can diminish here. So your mind created the problem that you have. Well, then you cannot solve the problem that you have with the same mindset that caused the problem that you have. You have to think on a higher level. It sparked something in me, and that was about eight years ago. And made the book. I wrote that book in the Pandemic. I literally wrote that book. It was released on the day I had a. I had a. A book tour scheduled. It was scheduled to launch on March 20, I believe, 2020, which was the day the mayor of Houston declared that our city had to go on lockdown. The book tour had to be canceled. The. The. The best book that I had ever written. I thought nobody would see it because all of the book tours had been canceled. And it is the most successful book that I've ever had out of the three that I've written. I've actually written that book again and added three chapters to it. I don't know if you knew it, but I actually wrote that book again, re released it with three additional chapters. And it's called the Shift as well. And it goes into the different dimensions of how we think, live, breathe, and all of those things. But yes, it was sparked by a conversation in the room with people who had done more on accident than I had ever done on purpose.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (23:32)

Well, I just want you to personally know this. And I waited for this to tell you this. I could have told you on social or sent a little note. I wanted to look you in your eye and tell you this. This book, and I know it's not a business book. Right. That's not the intent, but the messages in this book quadruple my business by implementing with my leadership team and my sales team. Every quarter we have a conversation. What do we do? All right? And we use these words, what's the shift we're making next quarter? Because what we just did this quarter, if we're trying to double that output, we can't do it the same way. It doesn't mean you got to start over and rebuild everything. But there's Got to be something that you do differently. A mindset, a product, a service or whatever. So I wanted to tell you, brother, that is why I keep this book with me 24 7. Because every quarter, when we have our 90 day meeting, all right, what's the shift? And I give you praise every single time.

Pastor Keon Henderson (24:35)

I gotta, I've gotta get my hand on that copy of that book. And I'm gonna write a letter to you in that book.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (24:43)

I would appreciate it more than you know.

Pastor Keon Henderson (24:46)

Yes, sir.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (24:48)

Because this book, and for everybody, the shift. Right. And we're gonna talk about the other books now. But this book didn't change my life. It changed my business.

Pastor Keon Henderson (24:59)

Wow.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (24:59)

Changed my business, brother. Which ultimately changed my life, but it changed my business first. I needed you to know that.

Pastor Keon Henderson (25:08)

I appreciate you telling me that.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (25:10)

Absolutely, absolutely. So you have other books?

Pastor Keon Henderson (25:13)

Yes, sir. Right.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (25:14)

Let's talk about what Pastor Keon is doing now. What do you want the audience, the viewers, the listeners to know, to follow, to pick up whatever it is? The floor is yours, sir.

Pastor Keon Henderson (25:24)

Yeah. I just wrote a new book called Lazy Love. And the premise of that book was, you know, I'm a. I love Animal Planet. I love Animal Planet. I watch, I've watched Shark Week every week. Shark Week has ever come out. I, I, I know National Geographic so well that I know that when they have a lion week, it's the same lion that's eating the Same Gazelle in 2025 that they showed in 1979. They just enhanced the picture because I can just tell by the scene. I'm like, yep, that that's not new. But I was reading up on the sloth, and it just so happened. It was around Valentine's Day one year, I wrote a sermon called Lazy Love, because the Bible talks about that we should not be like the sluggard, which is a sloth, and how slow they move. And I did some research to find out that they don't just move slow because they're slow animals. They could actually speed up and move a little quicker. But the leaf that they eat puts them in a state of mind where they are anesthetized by, you know, for lack of better term, they're almost high off of what they eat, so they're responding to the leaf. So the substratum of the book was, is that in love? Sometimes we show up slow or lazy because of what our diet presented. Right? So maybe you got a little bit of envy from your father and a little bit of jealousy from your mother and a little bit of lack of forgiveness from Your auntie and. And maybe a little rejection issues from your personal experiences. And all of that makes you very lazy and hesitant in love, where you are supposed to go the extra mile for somebody, but because you've been hurt in the steps, you don't want to go forward.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (27:17)

Yeah.

Pastor Keon Henderson (27:18)

And so this book is telling us that we have to look at our attachment styles, to look at how we were raised, how we were hurt, and what we have been through. Because the truth is, it is the reason why we show up in love the way we show up. And it also helps you to have more grace for the people you love, because now you recognize that they're not showing up to you to spite you. They're showing up to you in spite of you because of the things that have happened in their life. So it's a book that helps us realize that one of the most important things on the earth, if not the most important thing about love, is that we have choices as to how we show up in it. Right. But it starts with going back to realize how you got to the point you are in life. And it's. It. It's a book. It makes you look yourself in the mirror. You. You know, you got to deal with you in order to get through it. But we've been hearing rave reviews about it. We've been all over the country talking about it. New York and California and Florida. We've been all over. And so it's. It's moving. And then lastly, I, I, as I said, I reintroduced the shift. We have another second edition of that book where we've added three chapters to it because even my shifts have shifted. It never stops.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (28:40)

That's right.

Pastor Keon Henderson (28:40)

It never stops. Because success is a journey. It is not a destination. You will never get there. You will always be on your way there.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (28:50)

Right, Right.

Pastor Keon Henderson (28:52)

And the moment you get there, you will change the definition of what success is, and you will start another journey.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (28:57)

You have to.

Pastor Keon Henderson (28:58)

Yes, sir.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (28:59)

You have to. Brother Keon, man, from the bottom of my soul, I thank you for today's conversation. Wow. Again, I needed it. I have notes. I have things I got to start implementing today because of this conversation. I'm not waiting until tomorrow because we know tomorrow is not promised. So as soon as we're done, two of these things are getting implemented right now. I can promise you.

Pastor Keon Henderson (29:22)

Well, no wonder you're quadrupling. I mean, if you. If you're. If you're moving that fast, then life has to catch up with you because you already on the move. I honor your work. I Honor your mindset. I can tell you right now, I can tell you right now, I'm going to tell all of your listeners. Guys, guys. If you're listening to Mick Weekly, however you're digesting him daily Monthly, if you're watching them on repeat, listen to me. When you're watching this podcast, don't look at the backdrop and say, oh, I want to make sure that I've got that rustic look, that, that warm, light look, you know, that western infused look, because all of that's good. But you need to watch this podcast for one reason and one reason only, to adopt a mindset. Let Mick be your mentor until you can meet him face to face. Because if you can adopt his mindset, something's going to happen where the law of attraction is going to get at work and you either going to meet Mick or you're going to meet somebody like him. Because thoughts attract that up on which they are directed. And if you can borrow that mindset, you're going to find yourself in rooms that you never thought you could be in. So it's my honor to be here with you, brother.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (30:42)

I needed that. Again, thank you, man. Like, I'll tell you offline too, but if there's anything I can ever do, you don't have to ask. You just tell me and consider me there. Consider it done. Because you genuinely mean that much to me. You mean that much to my businesses, you mean that much to my family. I love you with everything I got, brother.

Pastor Keon Henderson (31:02)

I truly mean that. God bless you, brother.

Mick (Podcast Host/Interviewer) (31:05)

You got it. And to all the viewers and listeners, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it.

Podcast Host (Mick Unplugged Intro/Outro) (31:13)

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