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Mick Unplugged
Patrik & Pol | Fashion, Fame, and Fun: Exploring Patrik & Pol's World on Mick Unplugged
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Mick
Life is so much more than a diagnosis. It's about sharing time with those you love, hanging with friends who lift you up, and experiencing all those moments that bring you joy. All hits, no skips. Learn more about Cascali ribociclib 200mg at k I s q a l I dot com and talk to your doctor to see if Kaskali is right for you. So long live singing to the oldies, jamming out to something new and everything in between.
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Patrick
I know in fashion, you've got to be able to let it go and not take it personal. Right?
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Paul
It's beyond not taking it personal. It's understanding what the marketplace needs as humans.
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Patrick
Right. What were some of the mental risks that you had to overcome to say, yeah, we can do it?
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Snow White
Well, I mean, you're putting yourself out there for everybody. That's, you know, that's not easy. We've done a lot of reality shows. We did Bravo, we did ee, we did Lifetime. We did a whole bunch of shows. But you're literally opening your door, your life to everybody to see.
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Patrick
So how did you two come together? Like, how did you both meet?
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Paul
It was a dark alley one night there was a Benjamin involved couple venture. He was doing a drive by. I said, bitch, take, step aside. That's my man, my man.
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Snow White
People are going to believe this.
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Patrick
What's the key to keeping it all successful and to not let it intermix with home life too?
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Paul
We don't have an option. Sorry. It's either my way or the fucking highway. So take a pick. So you want to be on the highway? Go for it.
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Patrick
Welcome to Mick Unplugged, where we ignite.
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Paul
Potential and fuel purpose.
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Snow White
Get ready for raw insights, bold moves.
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Paul
And game changing conversations. Buckle up.
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Patrick
Here's Mick. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Mick Unplugged. And today, we're going to have some fun. When it comes to innovation, vision, and taking bold steps into the future, today's guests don't just walk the walk. They redefine it. They're trailblazers, game changers and powerhouses who lead with passion, precision, creating a rippling effect of inspiration wherever they go. They're revolutionizing, they're empowering, they're inspiring, they're unapologetic, and they're unstoppable. Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming the dynamic trio of Patrick, Paul and Ms. Snow White.
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Snow White
Wow, what an introduction. I want to clap for me.
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Paul
Wait, I'm curious. Who's going to come on now because I'm very Excited about wanting to listen to all these. The guys that you just described. They sound like a big deal.
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Patrick
I was talking about Snow White, and Snow White said, hey, they're with me too, so can you introduce them as well?
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Snow White
That bitch gets all the invites. We're the plus twos.
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Patrick
Awesome, awesome, awesome. So, Patrick, we were talking a little bit offline, and I told you how I'm a huge fan of the work that you both do, the three of you do, because it's not just about being out there and just doing. These are the words of Mick and Mick. Only things to get attention. You really do empower. You really do come from a background. You really do give inspiration to people. And so I'd love to just take a couple of minutes from each of you and talk about your background, how you got to where you are today. And more importantly, because on Mick Unplugged, we talk about your. Because that thing that's deeper than your why, that purpose, that mission. What's your because today?
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Paul
Well, when it comes to fashion, I. Since I was 12 years old, it was something that I've always wanted to do, but it's been very challenging because coming from a background, being Armenian, a transplant into the country when I was six years old, and not being able to have the versatility, to have the exposure and my family understanding what I really wanted to do, they kept saying that it's an impossibility because you need. I needed to do something that was more relatable to what they understood, not what I figured out. That was my calling, that I wanted to be a part of the world of, and, you know, getting beaten up and telling me that I'm not good enough and I'm never going to be successful. I thought to myself, well, wait a minute. Did you not bring us to America for all those opportunities? Now I want that opportunity. How is it that you. You took me out of my little village and then brought me all the way here, and now you're me? I can't do it. Well, if I couldn't do it, you should have just kept me where I was, because now that I'm here, I got to figure out how to do it. And if you can't help me how to figure it out, I guess I'm going to have to do that. You know, the heavy lifting on that part, too. So I just started embarking on the journey of wanting to be a fashion Designer. And after 35 years of being in Beverly Hills, I. I'm still trying to figure out how to be a Fashion designer. I mean, I've had my boutique for 35 years, and a lot of people ask me, are you.
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Snow White
What do you mean?
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Paul
Have you found. Have you found success? Do you feel like you know what success is? And I wonder if I've ever wanted the success in the capacity that they're asking me to question in. Because I think the success was when I decided what I wanted to do when I was 12 and embarking on the journey to be able to see my dreams come true in the capacity that I have. Am I successful? In a lot of ways? Yes. Do I find that I'm at my success level? Probably not. Because there's so much more to do. There's so much more you uncovered or so much more that you inspire yourself to want to do. And then, of course, knowing how fast fashion changes and keeping up with the trends, the colors, the styles, the fit, and being world renowned, there's so many different markets that you have to tap into. You're thinking to yourself, this can't be it. There's more. And then every day you wake up, you're excited to have to do it again. And that's the journey that I'm still on. And having a boutique, a flagship store in Beverly Hills at Rodeo drive for over 35 years tells me that I've been doing it okay, but now I got to step it up and do a little better.
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Patrick
Yeah. And you know, Patrick, before you go, there's something that I want to address of what Paul said. You know, I've got a friend that is in fashion, and she laughs when everyone talks about all the changes of AI and technology. A year ago, she said to me, if you think this is crazy, try being in the fashion industry. If you want to see change and the rapid pace of change, be in the fashion industry. Because what was hot five minutes ago is so outdated, no one ever wants to be seen in it again. Or you could have a model wear something and it looks so awful, but you spent years building it for that model, and then they finally put it on, and it's the worst thing ever, and then you're starting from scratch. So I resonate with what you just said, Paul, because again, we look at change, and where I'm going to say you've succeeded and been very successful is not how you've adopted to change, but how you were the leader in making change happen. And that takes a visionary to be able to do that. Right. Because some people hold on to their beliefs or some people hold on to that thing. I know in Fashion, you've got to be able to let it go and not take it personal. Right?
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Paul
It's beyond not taking it personal. It's understanding what the marketplace needs and where they're at in order for you to be able to provide something that they're going to be excited about, to have to put together for them. And in the different markets that we have internationally around the world, there's so much that we have access to, especially with the Internet, especially with all the tools that we have available to ourselves. Now it's become even more versed. And if you don't keep up, you fall off the face. And so you need to be able to make yourself relevant. One of the reasons why I started teaching, because I teach high school fashion, and one of the reasons why I started teaching is because I never had that growing up. I thought, great, well if you can't figure it out in high school because they give you all the academics, how do you know what you want to do when you get to college? And you're wasting another two years trying to figure out what it is that your calling is. So in high school we created a whole fashion program where then you're able to at least because there's so many facets to fashion. There's a business angle, there's the marketing, there's the design, there is the production. There's so many different. And any one of those businesses can stand on their own entity. So it's not just fashion related, it's the computerization, it's the marketing, it's the social media, it's the, the advertising, it's the collection, it's the grading, it's the, there's so many. And I thought, great, so you want to be a business person, why don't you run a fashion conglomerate? If you want to be a social media expert, then why don't you do social media for a fashion brand if, or start one. If you're going to do designing, you could design architecture, do an entire building alongside the construction on a body. It's the same thing when you're doing on soil the other one you're doing on a human figure. So having all those facets to an industry that's one of the biggest in the world, there's so many different places that when you're in high school, you've got the versatility to be able to go, oh my God, I had no idea I could do that. I thought fashion was just you design clothes. I don't want to be a designer, but I'm really good at marketing and I can take what their vision is, what the the brand is and give it exposure that it really needs. And you know what, by the time you get to college and a lot of kids don't want to go to college these days because they've already started a business when they're 15, they started a business when they're 14 online. So they're not looking to college to get a diploma to be able to get a job at a firm. They've got platforms online that they can sell, they can make, they can swap. There's so many different ways they can trade so many different things. And I'm like absolutely. What a great opportunity that I never had growing up until I got to college to figure out that I needed to learn, get a degree and then go get a job versus what technology is now offering the youth, how they can take advantage of being able to know to do it and not just wait for the opportunity to bring it. So create your own and start it how you do. And that's one of the reasons why I feel like giving back to that kind of a community and then being in the that I find success in that I find that I'm able to then nurture a generation of youth that never had the opportunity or wouldn't even think that it is possible the way they never told me that it was for me when I was growing up.
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Patrick
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Mick
Life is so much more than a diagnosis. It's about sharing time with those you love, hanging with friends who lift you up, and experiencing all those moments that bring you joy. All hits, no skips Learn more about Kasqali ribociclib 200mg at k I-Q-A-L-I.com and talk to your doctor to see if Kaskali is right for you. So long. Live singing to the oldies, jamming out to something new and everything in between.
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Unknown
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Patrick
Totally agree. Totally agree. All right, Petrie, it's your turn.
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Snow White
Okay, so I always loved entertainment. I always loved television, movies, entertainment. When I was a kid, it was really interesting. I. Before the vcr, I would tape, record television programs and then listen back to them. One of my favorite things, Battlestar Galactica. I mean, the original Battlestar Galactica, which was, you know, like this sci fi show. I would record it on an audio recorder because we didn't have a VCR back then. And then when, of course, we got the vcr, I started recording all of these shows. And he's taking Snow White out. So I started recording all of these shows. And then my mother, she got me into soaps. Her soap was Days of Our Lives. So I would record days every day, watch it with my mom. It's a really bonding moment for us. But it was really interesting because when I was recording all these TV shows and these movies and they would come out and watch them on video and whatnot, I was always looking at the bigger picture of the TV show or the bigger picture of the movie. How the sets looked, how the costumes looked, how the actors interacted with each other. It was very. It was always fascinating to me, and I always loved it. And I always knew I wanted to be in television, in film, either behind the scenes, in the scene, all of it. I mean, I always. I'd wanted to be an actor when I was a kid, and then I kind of got sidetracked to modeling, and I modeled in Europe, in New York, in Japan, I was a Versace model. I did stuff for Genera, which nobody even knows that brand anymore, and Gucci. This was many years ago, and I just loved it. I loved being in front of people and talking to people and interacting with people. And then from there, I went to a. Being a casting director and managing people and working on other people's careers. And I did that for many, many, many years, and casting and production, and always loved the whole big picture of putting it together. So when we decided our TV show, Gowning out in Beverly Hills, which is on Prime Video, started as a YouTube show, basically started with us picking up the iPhones and filming the fittings, because we had all this crazy stuff going on in the boutique. And then from there it went to Amazon and now it's on. It's in 60 countries, it's on Amazon, it's on Prime, Roku, Tubi, Plex. We just got a licensing deal that they are now going to split all four seasons of our show up into mini. So mini episodes for Moby, I think it is. Moby, I believe, is what it is. You can watch on your phone or whatever. So that was kind of cool. And I take part of every aspect of it. Not am I just on camera with it, but I'm also, you know, making the notes for the editors, whatever. I'm structuring the episodes, putting it all together. So I'm doing a whole creative aspect of it behind the scenes. Which is why we won the American Reality TV award. And last year we won four telly awards. So season five is coming out probably in about a month, and then we'll be submitting for all the awards seasons again. And the next big project we're working on is where we want to turn our book, Anna Nicole Portrait of an Icon into a movie so we can tell the story of Anna Nicole's life. So I think from a child. I always loved the fascination of storytelling. Not just, you know, back then it was only scripted. There was no, you know, there was no unscripted matter of fact. We were on one of the first unscripted reality shows, the Anna Nicole show. If you remember, there was only Real World on mtv. There was the Osbournes, I think was on mtv. And then the. And then the Anna Nicole show on E. Those were the three only reality shows. And we were on the out of Nicole show. So it just continued my fascination with the love of television and tv. And it's really funny because half the people we watched on Days of our Lives and all these TV shows, they're all our friends. We're friends with half of them. And it's a great community that we've built here in Beverly Hills. I love it and I love what I do. I think when you said the because. The because is because I can and I will. Because my motto has always been, I will not let someone stop me or say no. If they can't produce my show, then I'm going to pick up cameras, pull team together, and produce my show myself. And that's how I started Gown and Out.
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Patrick
I love it, man. So let's go to Gown and Out. And the decision to. To do that as your own, right, Not a part of someone else's show, but, like, this is really your show now. What was the decision going into that. And as humans. Right. What were some of the mental risks that you had to overcome to say, yeah, we can do it?
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Snow White
Well, I mean, you're putting yourself out there for everybody. That's, you know, that's not easy. We've done a lot of reality shows. We did Bravo, we did E. We did Lifetime. We did a whole bunch of shows. But you're literally opening your door, your life to everybody to see. And some people are going to judge you for it, some people aren't. But, you know, you've got. You've got the trolls.
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Paul
We judge back.
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Snow White
We do.
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Patrick
There you go.
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Snow White
In Runway rundown. Actually, do I think that the decision was that so much crazy stuff was going on in this boutique and in our lives that we had to put it out there. Were actually going to do a reality show that Anna Nicole was going to produce before she died. And we had been talking to her about doing a television show. Reality show. And we created a show called Designer family about two gay men raising a teenage daughter in Beverly Hills. And it didn't get picked up because America, 16 years ago, was not ready for two gay men on television. Can you believe that? They were not ready for two gay men on tv. Right. Raising a teenage daughter.
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Paul
Are they ever gonna be ready for somebody like me?
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Snow White
Probably not, Paul.
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Patrick
No one's ever ready for you. No, no one's ever ready.
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Paul
That's what I figure. Yeah, that's what I figure.
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Snow White
You know, he's the reason I figure.
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Patrick
Yeah. Yeah.
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Snow White
But then just so many crazy things are happening in the boutique. I mean, we had a one time. We had a bride. He was doing a fainting bride. She came in and she fainted. They'll straight back on her head. We thought she cracked her head open. It's crazy. Betty White came in and, you know, we almost killed Betty White because she was. She had her. She was bleeding, and then she was on Cumadin because she was scratching her pins on the dress when he was pinning her. And so all this stuff just kept happening, and we're like, okay, this has got to be a show. So we just picked up the iPhones.
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Paul
Nobody died while I was making a gown for them.
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Patrick
That you know of, Correct. That you know of.
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Paul
No, I. I know for sure. They have been buried in my gown. Yes. After they passed away.
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Snow White
True.
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Paul
But they never died first while I was making it.
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Snow White
No, but you've had a lot of firsts. I mean, he had the very first awards gown for Bella Thorne. She was a nominated young artist. Awards. You know what The Young Artist Awards are the, the Oscars. And he did her very first red carpet gown for the youth Oscars. I mean, you've had a lot of firsts. Anna Nicole is buried in his gown. Your gown's on the first lady's.
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Paul
It travels the first lady museum across the country and the capitals of the United States of America. And I'm the second designer and the only Armenian to be inducted in American history as one of the premier designers that have dressed the first lady that then is in the museum. The first lady. So you can go to Sacramento and I, I need to update my bio and my picture probably there. It's been a minute.
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Patrick
How about that?
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Snow White
They had a beautiful ceremony and they gave him the governor's pen, the, the.
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Paul
Pen that we signed a declaration donating it to the museum. Very cool museum.
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Snow White
Very cool.
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Paul
Yeah, it was a big, it was a big moment for me because I thought, great. So here you go, doing First Ladies to doing Anna Nicole Smith.
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Snow White
Yeah.
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Paul
I mean, you go from one spectrum to the other. And when people were asking me, oh, you're doing this and you're doing, I go, but they're all women. They're beautiful women. I'm a designer. I dress women. And regardless of what you think of that person or the Persona that they identify on television or in the media.
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Snow White
Yeah.
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Paul
They're still a beautiful woman.
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Snow White
Yeah. I'll tell you, last week he did a gown for Kylie Skye, an adult female performer in adult X rated movies for the AVN Awards. And she looked, she was the best, most beautiful at the award show. And she thanked us. Yes.
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Paul
She could have been at the Academy Awards. You'd never thought she was a porn star.
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Snow White
Adult entertainer.
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Paul
Adult entertainer.
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Patrick
Get him right over there, Patrice. Get them right, get them right.
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Paul
But here's the thing. She's a beautiful person. She's a beautiful woman. What she does for a career, what she's good at or what she's known for. We all aspire to be attached to something. And as long as you're healthy and doing it in the right way or that suits you, I think you should be allowed to be able to do what you like. But I'm a designer. So when people say, oh, you can't, you can't do that person, I'm like, why?
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Snow White
Yeah, yeah.
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Paul
That's what they said to me. You can never be a designer. I'm like, why? So when you ask why, I'm like, but it doesn't make sense. Somebody else could do it. Why couldn't I do it?
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Snow White
Listen, during COVID our political views are not really, you know, we don't go into that, but it doesn't matter on political views. During COVID when Trump was in the White House, we sent a bunch of masks to all the Secret Service and all the staff in the White House and to Trump and Melania.
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Paul
Every, every single White House staff.
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Snow White
Wearing his mask.
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Paul
Wearing my mask.
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Snow White
Yeah. And he's done again.
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Patrick
I wasn't around during COVID Yeah. Why didn't I get a mask?
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Snow White
I don't know.
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Paul
Yeah. Well, somebody didn't call you when, when we sent, when we send out the masks and you could see them in the press room.
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Snow White
It's cool.
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Paul
And you see them driving the car or you see them at the residence. They were all masked up at the White House and they were all the masks that I had created for the entire thing. And then, and then it was actually the American flag. I had the blue.
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Patrick
Yeah.
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Paul
I had the red and I had the. They're very cool flag.
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Snow White
And then the total opposite is he's done gowns for Hillary Clinton. So it's like it doesn't matter. Republican, Democrat, it doesn't matter. He's a designer. It doesn't matter if she is an adult performer or soap star.
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Patrick
Yeah.
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Unknown
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Mick
Life is so much more than a diagnosis. It's about sharing time with those you love, hanging with friends who lift you up, and experiencing all those moments that bring you joy. All hits, no skips. Learn more about Kasqali ribociclib 200mg at k I-Q-A-L-I.com and talk to your doctor to see if Kaskali is right for you. So long live singing to the oldies, jamming out to something new and everything in between.
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Unknown
Family time and get togethers are where memories are made. Like when Gayle and Ed whooped everyone at the card table. But RSV can leave them out of the game, especially if they're 75 plus or over 60 with certain health conditions. So let's keep the party going and make sure they don't miss out. Help them get this season's vaccines so they'll be there for the moments that matter most. Risk less, do more. Get started@vaccines.gov paid for by the US Department of Health and Human Services.
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Snow White
That's how we. That's how we see it.
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Patrick
So do you design socks for MYC Unplugged?
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Paul
You know what? I do want to start a men's brand that does a bow tie, socks, underwear, suspenders, accessories. Where if I looked at your suspender, I'd be like, oh, I know what he's got on underneath. Or maybe not. Do you know what I mean?
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Patrick
I'm willing to be the guinea pig. You might not want me as the model, but totally, totally can be the guinea pig.
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Paul
I don't know.
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Patrick
And we can go.
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Paul
You look hot. So I don't know.
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Snow White
It's funny.
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Paul
You probably have beautiful toes, too. So here comes only friends.
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Snow White
Whenever we go on the dog, all right, we go to, like, an island or something. He makes all my bathing suits and stuff. He makes them out of an Italian, like, Lycra spandex. Really cool stuff that he's going to turn into a line for next summer that's going to come out.
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Patrick
All right. So one of my best friends, Chris Paradiso, we've got something that you need to make him. I'll tell you offline, but Chris, you know what I'm talking about.
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Snow White
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I do.
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Paul
Yeah.
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Snow White
Very cool.
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Paul
I have no idea.
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Patrick
Good stuff. So how did you two come together? Like, how did you both meet?
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Paul
It was a dark alley one night. There was a Benjamin involved.
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Snow White
Couple Benjamins.
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Paul
He was doing a drive by. I said, bitch, take a step aside. That's my man.
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Snow White
People are gonna believe this.
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Patrick
So no tequila? I heard the tequila story in the. You know, I'm a huge fan of your podcast. I also heard the. The naughty yacht story as well, too. So.
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Snow White
The naughty cruise. This is where.
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Paul
This is where I find them, honey. This is where I find them.
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Snow White
We met in New York. Can you believe that? We met in New York 21 years ago. July 21st. July 21st, 21 years ago, I met in New York.
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Paul
I was doing Mercedes Benz Fashion Week at Bryant park, which is when they used to do it underneath the tent in New York City. It was. It's one of the biggest things ever. And we have a mutual friend who's a fashion photographer who happened to. That I stayed with while I was in New York and at Bryant Park. He said, oh, great, let's do the interviews at my studio. It'll get exposure. And why don't we do all the. I'll do some photography for your clothing, the new collection.
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Snow White
Yeah.
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Paul
And then he showed up, and I was like, what?
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Patrick
Okay.
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Paul
And the rest is history.
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Snow White
And we've been together ever since and inseparable. I mean, we go everywhere, we travel everywhere. Every year we pick a brand new country that we. We haven't been to, and we go there and celebrate New Year's. So this year is Amsterdam, right? Amsterdam, Netherlands.
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Paul
Rotterdam.
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Snow White
Yeah, Rotterdam, Netherlands, this year. Okay, so 79 countries in total we've been to.
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Patrick
That's impressive. That's impressive. So for the listeners and viewers, and this isn't a relationship podcast by any stretch of imagination, but I do think that you have some very cool insights, some very important insights. Partners, spouses that work together, have business ventures together. What's the key to keeping it all successful and to not let it intermix with home life, too. Because, you know that happens, right? Like, a lot of times we bring work home. But when you are together at work and together at home, right? It's like, Paul, when you stepped away, Patrick was like, I don't really want to talk to him tonight. So how do you mix that?
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Paul
You have an option.
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Patrick
Home is good.
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Paul
It's either my way or the fucking highway. So take a pick. So you want to be on the highway? Go for it.
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Snow White
You know, I think we complement one another in different things. There's many strengths that I have that he doesn't possess, and there's many strengths that he has that I don't possess. The design aspect, creating, putting all these beautiful gowns together. He does all of that. I can't sew a fucking. Can I say fucking? I can't sew a fucking button on.
- [31:04]
Patrick
You just did.
- [31:05]
Snow White
I can't. I can't. He can. Like my necklace. One set of my pearls have broken. He's like, oh, I'll fix it. He knows how to string it. Fix it. I can't do any of that. I couldn't. He was trying to show me one time how to thread a needle, number one. I couldn't even see the damn needle. I don't know how he could see to put this little thread inside this little tiny, like, impossible. So there are things like that, that. That I just cannot do that he does. But then there's things that I do. Social media, producing our TV show, putting our show together.
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Paul
Let me clarify.
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Snow White
Marketing it.
- [31:39]
Paul
Let me clarify. I know how to do all of those things. I choose not to.
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Snow White
You do not know how to do all those things. You're just asking me how to get on Zoom.
- [31:47]
Paul
Yes, because he allows you to do.
- [31:50]
Patrick
Those things is what he really said.
- [31:52]
Paul
I want him to feel needed.
- [31:54]
Patrick
Bullshit.
- [31:54]
Paul
You know how to get on.
- [31:56]
Snow White
Oh, well, okay, we'll go with that. Sure. Yeah.
- [31:59]
Paul
He didn't help me get on.
- [32:01]
Patrick
There you go.
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Snow White
You don't even know how to use frame. I tried to give you an edit to look at. You didn't even know how to log in.
- [32:07]
Paul
So what I mean to say is.
- [32:09]
Snow White
But he's a great designer.
- [32:10]
Paul
I know how to do all of it. He, I, you know, I want him to feel that he also has tasks and responsibilities that make the machine work so that he feels like he belongs.
- [32:25]
Snow White
Yeah. I don't. I don't need someone to make me feel that way. I know that is the case. Okay, well, it's all good.
- [32:34]
Patrick
Mary's therapy was.
- [32:35]
Paul
Nick, I think you and I know the truth at this point.
- [32:38]
Snow White
Okay. You know, we have fun. Life is having all about having fun. Taking on doing new things that you've never done before. Like we went to, you know, I'll give you an example. We went to Peru and we were river rafting in Category 4 and Category 5 rapids in the Urubamba river. And then in a kayak. And then they pulled over and they said, who wants to go up on the bridge? It's a 40 foot bridge. And jump off into the water and then.
- [33:09]
Paul
And then swim to the kayak as they're towing it in the back of the little raft.
- [33:17]
Snow White
I did. I did it. It was fun.
- [33:19]
Patrick
I would have been your videographer that day. I would have filmed it for you. But I'm not, I'm not joining that.
- [33:24]
Paul
Did you hear how he said he did it?
- [33:27]
Snow White
Okay. You did it with me. We both did.
- [33:29]
Paul
Yeah.
- [33:29]
Snow White
Did you want to go first? No way. You? I convinced him.
- [33:34]
Paul
He pushed me off.
- [33:37]
Snow White
He was so nervous. But you know what? Those are the kind of crazy things that we do. We have fun. Like we went to Thailand and we went, you know, snorkeling and in the middle of this beautiful ocean. I. I think life is all about experiences and having fun with the person you love and making memories, you know.
- [33:54]
Paul
You asked what we do. You asked, how do you balance work and life and everything together? I think it's because I don't say no. I. I'm not in this relationship for myself, so I'm not asking for, oh, here's what I would like to do. Here's what I want from me. Oh, you know, I've never done that. And I don't want to. I just know I don't want to. I've never been that person because I've always been told no. I never say no because I don't want to ever say no to anyone. That I've never experienced something new. And how am I going to know what that is unless I do it? And if I do love that, whether I like it or not, and if it's something that it makes my partner happy, am I not there 50% to support them in what they are there to do? Because it's their life journey as well. And I don't want to impede their life journey just because I have an issue. But why do I have an issue? Maybe because I had a bad experience because of the person that I was with before or the scenario. But I feel comfortable knowing that I can trust the person that I'm with isn't going to leave, you know, lead me astray.
- [35:15]
Snow White
But also, we never, but also we never let the cameras get in the way. I mean, all these housewives, they break up every time. All these shows, they get on a show, they break up. We don't, we, we, you know, we don't let the cameras rule our life and change things. We know we're there. Fun and that's it.
- [35:36]
Patrick
I love the insights and everything that you both shared today aside from Gowning Out Season five. Right. Gowning out in Beverly Hills season five coming up really soon. We're going to make sure that we send links to that everywhere. What else do you have going on? What else do you want the world to know that you have going on? Aside from making, you know, the Mick unplug socks and suspenders and.
- [36:00]
Snow White
Well, there's some really fun, interesting things coming out. On Gowning Out Beverly Hills Season 5, we were the first gay couple in the Middle east to be on the COVID of an international magazine.
- [36:15]
Paul
You shouldn't say gay same sex couple.
- [36:17]
Snow White
Why? Oh, same sex couple. Okay. We were the first same sex couple to be on the COVID of Victor magazine in Dubai. That was, that was making history. We also were a part of 30 Voices, 30 Days with Derek Warburton for his magazine Gurus magazine. And we were the only couple in June on the COVID And so those things are going to be coming out on the next season of the show.
- [36:47]
Paul
Even though other people that were on the COVID were coupled.
- [36:51]
Snow White
They weren't together.
- [36:52]
Paul
They weren't. They never did a cover shot because we did a cover cover shot. And the COVID was only a single relationship and not the Couple who were the only couple.
- [37:02]
Snow White
Yeah. And Josh Fogel shot us. He was amazing photographer. That was really awesome.
- [37:06]
Paul
We actually presented at the Guru's Awards. Guru Awards where we gave Josh Fogel.
- [37:14]
Snow White
The lens of inclusion award.
- [37:17]
Paul
Yeah.
- [37:17]
Snow White
Which was really cool. Yeah.
- [37:19]
Paul
And innovate in innovation.
- [37:21]
Snow White
Yeah. And that innovation. You're right. And that's going to be coming out on the show too. We host Undressed with Paul and Patrick. It's on Apple, Spotify and YouTube.
- [37:30]
Paul
Well, it's everywhere you go. But YouTube is fun because when you get it on YouTube and it's free to subscribe.
- [37:37]
Snow White
Yep.
- [37:37]
Paul
And what you do is you're actually getting to see the expressions on our friends who are the celebrities that we interview.
- [37:46]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [37:46]
Paul
And the crazy stuff that they say because they feel like they're sitting there at home with us hanging out and it's live.
- [37:55]
Snow White
But. But not only that, he has a gift of Armenian coffee cup grind reading. He'll read the coffee cup grinds of our celebrity guests every week. And now we've opened that it's open, open to the public. So people want to book a Armenian coffee cup grind reading. They can just go to our website, Paul atu.com P O L absolutely. EU.com and they can book a virtual reading with him and I'm on it as well. Or they can book a live reading to come into our boutique.
- [38:26]
Paul
It's insane that I have a month and a half out waiting list of people that are trying to get in to the door.
- [38:33]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [38:34]
Paul
And we have bundles. So the minute they're done, they do a bundle so that they can get a link to be able to get to see me every other month. They're canceling their therapy sessions just to be able to hang out.
- [38:47]
Snow White
It's very cool.
- [38:48]
Paul
It's insane.
- [38:49]
Snow White
Very, very cool. Yeah.
- [38:51]
Paul
It's insane.
- [38:51]
Snow White
It is cool.
- [38:51]
Patrick
I told you that. You're one of my top five favorite podcasts that I listen to. And my favorite episode is the one with Jody Sweetin. Because you know, she was. She was my girl back in the day. So that's like my favorite episode.
- [39:05]
Snow White
Nick Awards.
- [39:06]
Patrick
Yeah.
- [39:08]
Snow White
So many years ago.
- [39:09]
Paul
Did you. Did you.
- [39:10]
Patrick
Right? Yeah.
- [39:11]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [39:11]
Paul
Did you see them? When I read her coffee grounds.
- [39:14]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [39:14]
Patrick
Yes.
- [39:15]
Snow White
She's blown away.
- [39:16]
Paul
Was she? Her expression was. What?
- [39:18]
Snow White
What?
- [39:18]
Paul
How did you know that?
- [39:20]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [39:20]
Paul
And like senior cop.
- [39:22]
Snow White
Yeah.
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- [40:53]
Patrick
No, Totally agree. Totally agree.
- [40:56]
Paul
Thing is, everybody from around the world have been booking.
- [40:58]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [40:59]
Paul
And the time zone doesn't matter. We ship you all the products you need and the one thing that I did say is I want it to be accessible and affordable for everyone to be able to take advantage of and not make it so expensive where people can't.
- [41:19]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [41:20]
Paul
Have it.
- [41:21]
Snow White
And we do copy reading parties too. So people fly us into their city and we go out there for a couple days and do a coffee reading party. They'll get a group of friends together and then book us to do a coffee reading party at their place. That's pretty fun.
- [41:34]
Paul
It's insane.
- [41:34]
Snow White
So we've been doing that really, really great. And then. And then of course, Ron, regular co hosts on Jeff Lewis Live every week or every other week on radio. Andy SiriusXM 102. Yeah. And a lot of fun things coming. Coming up. 2025 is going to be really cool.
- [41:51]
Paul
Plus we have the boutique.
- [41:52]
Snow White
Yeah.
- [41:53]
Paul
And people are welcome to come in. We get the TMZ bus, the Hollywood Reporter bus, all of them. They stop in in front of the boutique. They talk about Anna Nicole, they talk about gown and out. They talk about undress. And then we're here all the time. So we always go out, we do a shout out, we say hello, we take pictures of people that are walking by. Yeah. So it's like home.
- [42:15]
Snow White
And we've now kind of delving and dabbling in scripted movies and TV. We just did Emergence 2028, that's coming out next year. I play a gay arms dealer, and he plays my sidekick, Gabriel.
- [42:30]
Patrick
Look at that.
- [42:31]
Snow White
He had to learn lines. That was not you.
- [42:33]
Paul
And let me tell you, I didn't even audition for it. I just showed up at the party and they, oh, my God, he's beautiful.
- [42:40]
Patrick
He's perfect for this because that's what you do.
- [42:44]
Paul
And I said, but I'm not here for me. I'm just here supporting my husband in his role. They're like, okay, sure. Would you want to do a role? I said, I don't know about acting.
- [42:55]
Snow White
Let me tell you. I was like, okay. They always put us together. Every time they book us, book me. Oh, they need to bring him. Always together. This one thing I booked by myself, did by myself. He was not with me on it. I. We went to the. The event. They. The showrunners saw him. They're like, oh, my God, he's perfect for Gabriel. He'll play Gabriel. I'm like, even when I try, I can't get away. So it's okay. I. This is my life. I love him. I'm here.
- [43:23]
Paul
So let's go. So let's go back.
- [43:25]
Snow White
We're like the Siamese twins that are not Siamese twins.
- [43:28]
Paul
So let's go back to. It's either my way or the highway, because, you know, you ain't gonna be on the highway if I ain't with you. I let him have it, and then. It doesn't work that way.
- [43:39]
Snow White
And then the poster came out, and he wasn't on the poster. I was. Oh.
- [43:44]
Paul
And all I did was say, you know what?
- [43:47]
Snow White
And then one of these.
- [43:48]
Paul
Isn't there a character missing on this poster that has such an important. That occupies such important space?
- [43:55]
Snow White
And then they got rid of one of the other characters and they put his face on. He's on the fucking poster too.
- [44:04]
Patrick
Paul, come on, now.
- [44:06]
Paul
I mean, I'm pretty.
- [44:07]
Patrick
Gonna let him have just a little bit.
- [44:09]
Paul
I did.
- [44:10]
Snow White
I did.
- [44:11]
Paul
He's in the bottom, in the center. I'm on the top, on the side.
- [44:15]
Patrick
Of course you are. Of course you're on top. Absolutely.
- [44:18]
Paul
I just, you know.
- [44:20]
Patrick
Yeah.
- [44:20]
Snow White
I didn't.
- [44:20]
Paul
I. I don't make these decisions. I just. And. And that's the one thing.
- [44:25]
Patrick
You influenced them, though, right? You don't make them.
- [44:27]
Snow White
You influence them.
- [44:29]
Paul
I didn't even Try to influence them. I only want to be the very best version of me every single day and be present to every single thing that we're there for. So if I'm that person and people get to notice me, then you know what? I don't want to say no to them when they offer me a role. I don't want to break their hearts and spirit in the direction that they want to take the vision. I'm like, I'm so there. I'm going to support it. I sat on set for 14 hours for two lines. For two lines.
- [45:06]
Snow White
For two lines that he could not remember.
- [45:08]
Paul
I can't remember.
- [45:09]
Snow White
Everybody on the set was telling him his two lines. Do you remember your line?
- [45:14]
Paul
No. Oh, my. And they wanted to give me more lines. I said, you know what? This is overwhelming. It's a lot. Let's just stay with two lines. I. I don't want to screw.
- [45:24]
Snow White
You really don't know your line?
- [45:25]
Paul
No.
- [45:26]
Snow White
That's Cole, one of Skinner's boys.
- [45:27]
Paul
Yeah.
- [45:30]
Snow White
That was one line.
- [45:32]
Patrick
He can remember his lines. And your line. See that? That's talent right there.
- [45:36]
Paul
Well, that's because he's always wanted to be an actor. He's an actor. I'm not. I just. I just play me all day. That's. Listen, I don't know how to do anything else. I don't know how to be anybody else. I don't even want to try. Yeah, it's too much to be this. Let me tell you, It's a lot.
- [45:53]
Patrick
That is a lot.
- [45:55]
Paul
Between designing gowns, running the boutique, being a teacher, teaching fashion, doing the podcast, having the TV show gown, and out doing the. The radio show.
- [46:11]
Snow White
And we're working on two other TV projects that haven't been announced yet. Doing. I'll let you know when they come out. Doing.
- [46:17]
Paul
Doing the coffee reads. I'm the one doing it. Hello? It's, like, a lot.
- [46:23]
Patrick
Well, are you getting paid?
- [46:25]
Paul
Huh?
- [46:26]
Patrick
Are you getting compensated?
- [46:28]
Snow White
We don't do anything for free.
- [46:29]
Paul
Of course we. I did have a conversation with my boss. I did have a conversation with my boss last night, and it didn't go that well. I'm reconsidering maybe finding another partner in.
- [46:43]
Snow White
This for me to. Monica, shut up.
- [46:46]
Patrick
And that'll Last all of 10 seconds.
- [46:48]
Snow White
Exactly. It's all good.
- [46:52]
Patrick
I appreciate you both more than you know. I'm gonna try and make a trip out to la. Beverly Hills, like, late February, early March. So I'm gonna come by, we're gonna talk about these Mick Unplugged socks. I'M being very serious about those socks.
- [47:06]
Paul
I gotcha cool. I gotcha very cool.
- [47:10]
Patrick
I appreciate you both. You both mean the world to me. I will make sure that all of the wonderful things that both of you have going on are listed in the description in the show notes. I'll make sure all my fans, viewers and followers are connected with you. And if there's anything I can do for you, never hesitate to let me know.
- [47:31]
Snow White
Thank you, Mick. Can I let people know where to follow us?
- [47:34]
Patrick
Yes, go ahead. Tell us where.
- [47:36]
Paul
Paul P o L a T T E U All my platforms, please follow me. I need me some followers. Just follow me. It doesn't hurt you, it doesn't cost you. So ring my bell. Press the subscribe button or just press the follow button. Let's go.
- [47:57]
Snow White
I love it. And you can find myself, Patrick Simpson, P a t r I k S I m P S o n on all platforms verified on all platforms. He is as well. And of course Snow White 90210. She's on the platforms as well.
- [48:13]
Paul
Snow White 90210 that bitch. That bitch has so many followers. I don't blame you.
- [48:21]
Patrick
Again, Paul Patrick, Snow White, love you from my soul. I appreciate you. And for all the listeners and viewers, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it. Thank you for tuning tuning in to MC Unplugged.
- [48:39]
Paul
Keep pushing your limits, embracing your purpose and chasing greatness.
- [48:43]
Patrick
Until next time, stay unstoppable.