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- [00:09]
Mike
You're the first one to try on a huge podcast a just.
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Host
Oh, don't chug it.
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Mike
Well, you're. You could probably take it. But these are clinical doses. Oh, yeah, yeah. So. So this is based off of clinical doses based on Dr. Harvard Sinclair from. Well, obviously from Harvard. But yeah, when people chug it, sometimes it gives you gi. Upset, but it gets you.
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Joe
What?
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Mike
Yeah, like stomach upset. Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [00:34]
Joe
The mic should be good because you've been drinking ageless cocktails.
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Mike
Yeah, you've been drinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host
Because of the nad.
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Mike
Well, because of their maximum doses. So most products, they just give you pixie dusting.
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Host
Yeah.
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Mike
So maximum clinical in the study that Harvard did was a thousand milligrams of NMN thousand was veritrol.
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Host
Yeah.
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Mike
But this also has creatine and all the other stuff. But most other companies give you like, you know, 200 or 100. They have to take more of their product.
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Joe
We also put a TMG in it, which is interesting. So tmg, like absorbs more nad, nmm, but also TMG can be used to lower blood pressure, hypertension. So it's fascinating.
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Mike
That also decreases homocysteine levels, which actually your, your gut. You're bloating. So increase that as well.
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Host
It decreases your homo.
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Mike
Yeah, yeah. What I don't understand, why does nad.
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Host
Not when you, when, when you say, hey, I want to get on NAD protocol.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Host
The first NAD protocol you're going to get is like at an ages clinic or a wellness clinic that's going to do it through an iv.
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Mike
Yeah. So, man, Ben Greenfield goes in deep layers. When we started, when I, when I started deep down the rabbit hole with longevity. So NAD is, is not absorbed as well with an IV. There's competing studies, but that's why Dr. David Sinclair was like, your body doesn't absorb NAD primarily when you just inject or infuse it into the, into the vein. Now, funny enough, you can actually get it better by subcutaneous injection and your body absorbs it better bioavailability with a patch called biforesis patch. But in terms of long term studies that Harvard did, it's better to give your body building blocks, specifically nmn, resveratrol, and then that together, they say gets inside the cell, like way better.
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Host
Really?
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Mike
Yeah, yeah.
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Host
I did the, the Tijuana. Was it CPI or cps where all the UFC fighters go, oh, yeah, we did the stem cells. Stem cell, nice. But they had us on NAD protocols every day. Got the cocktails and everything else. And I felt the Pressure on my chest.
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Mike
Yeah. And the gut probably, too.
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Host
A little bit of the gut, but mostly the chest. And they had to slow me down because, I mean, UFC fighters and competitive, anybody was there, they were like, racing to see who can get in their system. And I tried to do that and.
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Mike
Was like, the hell?
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Host
You gotta. You gotta stop. And they slowed it down, and I felt like I was in the small percentage of people who were like, whoa, this is intense. What is that whole feeling? What?
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Joe
Why?
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Host
It almost felt like it was like somebody was sitting on my chest.
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Mike
You. Yeah. So if you think about scientifically and fundamentally, NAD is the longevity molecule in any living species, based on the research that. Doc, this is not my words. These are Dr. David's words. So anything that's moving or has function or energy is basically powered by nad. It's like a little battery. And so if you think about that as energy, imagine just getting lightning bolts of energy into your body, and if your heart is the one taking it in.
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Host
Yeah.
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Mike
That's the ones gonna be most impacted. You can feel like you're, like, gonna explode. Oh. So imagine me shocking you, but instead of shocking you, I'm injecting you with the molecule that gives you the most energy.
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Host
Yeah.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Host
And it goes straight to the heart or cardiovascular system, or is it just go everywhere?
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Mike
It goes everywhere. But if you think about your heart as a pump, your heart is the one that's working and pumping blood, which gives you life throughout everything. Yeah. So that's probably gonna be the one that you feel the most.
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Joe
Okay.
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Host
Joe, you. We haven't even introduced you.
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Mike
I know. We're just jumping into it.
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Host
But, Joe, you wanna introduce your brother? Cause you get. You had talked about him on the last podcast, and if you're watching this right now, Joe, and Longevity Farms, I podcast, had a few podcasts to go, and we talked a lot about a lot of. A lot of things, including the relationship with your brother, how you guys started it, and what. What the goals and objectives were. But that's a slight recap. But you could introduce your brother because he's your brother.
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Joe
Absolutely. Mike, thanks for having us on. I appreciate it.
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Host
Yeah.
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Joe
Yeah. So Mike is my younger brother, and we always, you know, we grew up always exercising, taking supplements. Our father was a Marine and law enforcement officer, and, you know, we just grew up in that mentality and that lifestyle. So Mike became a nurse and then started simple nursing.com, which at the time, it was the only nurse. He was the only nurse online providing, like, a tutoring similar to like a gym membership where you would pay for certain levels of tutoring. And he was the only one at that time. And before nursing for nursing students. Yes, exactly.
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Host
My funny story with my spouse, I get into. Because she said she took that.
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Mike
No, she didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like any nursing student in America right now, not to brag, would probably know my face. Yeah, I'm kind of like micro.
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Host
She knew your name first. And it was like, wait a minute. I think I took tutoring classes. I was like, for what? He's like, for. For nursing. And I was like, whoa, I didn't know that. So simply nursing.com.
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Joe
Simple nursing.com. simple nursing.
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Mike
Com.
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Joe
So nurse Mike. Yeah. And then. So Mike did extremely well over the last 12, 13 years with simple Nursing. He eventually sold it recently and still works with the company. Still the face. And then about a year and a half ago, we had this idea to make a clean supplement that we could trust for our family, especially for our parents. Cause they're aging. And that's when we started using nad NMM resveratrol creatine and giving it to our parents who were in their 70s. And they saw a huge difference. And then for myself, taking it as a firefighter getting off 24 hour shift, I would notice a big difference. And that's how we created Ageless Cocktail Longevity farms and the rest of our supplements. But it all kind of happened on mistake. We were trying to develop a supplement company just the result of it. But I'll let Micah give his bio about himself because it's pretty interesting his story.
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Mike
Yeah, for sure. I just want to get kind of share a summary with the audience. So I'm gonna talk about my history as an ER nurse, medical educator, creating a multi million dollar company by accident in terms of, you know, medical education and kind of seeing behind the scenes. Whoops. Kind of seeing behind the scenes like big pharma and healthcare at its core is a broken system. They keep people sick so that you can keep people on subscriptions, keep on coming back.
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Host
And you've seen that.
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Mike
Oh my gosh. I've worked in nine different ers. I mean, it all started 18 was on the ambulance because my brother told me to, hey, take the CMT course. I'm like, all right. And then working in nine different ERs, eventually became a nurse. But yeah, I mean, dude, so many nurses are like, we have a cure to this, but you don't want to be cured because there's more money in treating the disease instead of curing the Disease, for example, like you know, peptides, which is becoming a huge topic. You can reset the age of anybody tissue. A great example is like literally any single organization from the brain to the heart to the gut to your muscle. Most people are interested in muscle as well as fat loss. One thing that I was really interested in is mental health. Getting people out of depression, getting out of anxiety or ptsd. They basically always go hand in hand. And growing up we had adhd, so ADHD definitely leads to portions of anxiety. If you have anxiety, it'll sometimes always lead to depression. And grew up in a military family. My dad was a marine brother and my sister in law, I mean that's actually in law enforcement as well. So we're all kind of first responders. It hits me on a core level of, you know, how can we give people access and education about how to heal themselves without relying on big pharma that always wants to keep you sick? So we can dive into all that. But hold on, one more thing. But we just want to let you viewers know by the end of this, we want to let them know that if they are suffering from really anything, we would love to make a personalized peptide protocol so they can just email us, we'll leave it in the show notes.
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Host
That's fascinating because I've never even thought about that because nobody really is doing personalized like wellness. I mean you can get a wellness coach, right? You can get segments of this. But it seems like the start point is the supplement. But nobody's doing like the execution or the protocol of how best it suits you. And because everybody's different, my needs. That's why I said I trust you guys more than anybody in the space. I'm like, hey, let me know what my protocol is. Joe knows me like what, what do I need for recovery for a TBI that I've been diagnosed with? And that's very unique from the space because most of the space is just doing like you're selling a protein powder, you go online, you buy the protein and you don't get any protocols. Like when should I take the protein? You got to look that up. So it's kind of like a one stop shop. And I assume you're using the same tactics that you use at simple nursing. Is that, Is that what you're doing? Yeah, the education piece.
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Mike
Yeah. So give me a full recap. It's all about education with me. I've made over 5,000 videos for nursing, for medical education. It's basically kind of like what we did was made A Netflix for nursing. So we basically did. Do you remember Cliff Notes as a kid?
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Host
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mike
So imagine like a video version. Yeah, right.
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Host
It was at the yellow book. It was like a yellow, yellow, like.
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Mike
You know, a five or ten hour Tom Sawyer class or, you know, book would be like condensed into 15, 30 minutes.
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Host
Yeah.
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Mike
So that's what we did for nearly every single topic in all of nursing school. And it's funny because I never want to be a nurse. I was always, you know, gung ho about being a firefighter or a physician assistant, but I just kind of just fell into it. But me being a personal trainer at the same time, going to nursing school, I just loved the body inside and out. I just thought it was so fascinating. And then I realized going through and making all of these videos for hundreds of thousands of nurses, I'm like, dude, like, most of these medications are keeping people sick, specifically the ones on your brain, man. So many research studies are saying that the medications we have for mental health is basically prehistoric. It's not really helping anything. And I'd love to get into the science. But to give your audience a personal note, I fell into a really deep depression. I had two concussions from playing varsity football, which in high school, pretty severe. And if anyone had a TBI like you did yourself, or any type of brain injury, it doesn't get better over time. It's your. Your brain will fall. You will fall into a depression or some type of anxiety later on. Especially any listeners with adhd, like our. Like our family has specifically adhd. Your brain is scattered in so many different directions, and so that causes micro damages. I forget the exact medical terminology for it. But over time, your brain has these small little damage points which leads to dementia. That's all dementia really is, just damage points. And so you and I, since we have a TPI or some type of brain injury, you will eventually get dementia.
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Host
Because it's the collective of all the damage points together.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Host
That leads to early onset dementia.
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Mike
Yeah. And if you think about your body as just a car, Right. The car is eventually from the wear and tear, you're going to get rust, your things are going to break down. You get over 100, 200,000 miles, it's not going to work the same way it did on day one. And so with classic cars, you know, everything's polished and brand new and shiny. You're basically swapping out parts. And so if you want your body to function correctly, it's not going to be from medications that just kind of plug the Holes in a sinking ship.
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Host
It mask the symptoms.
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Mike
Oh, it's, yeah, the best way I can describe it. It's just like putting, you know, painting over mold, if you will, and you don't really get to the root of the issue. And so that's why I'm so fascinated with functional medicine that really gets the root of the issue. So instead of, for example, like Aegis Reserve or NMN enters Veritrol, that boosts nad, your body already makes nad, your body already makes testosterone and estrogen. But if you give your body something that naturally boosts that, then you're going to feel younger, you're going to have more energy, everything's going to work better now. Totally different. So, for example, Big Pharma will come in and be like, oh, yeah, take caffeine, take Adderall, you're going to get more energy. But yeah, you're just masking it. You're not really getting to the root of it. And so that's why I'm so excited about peptides and what they can do for really any part of the body.
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Host
Let's talk about peptide protocol. Because I asked Joe, I said, look, like I, I've, I did a initial protocol. I'm like, hey, can you set me up with a new protocol? And Joe knows. We've talked in depth about all the things that I'm doing. Like, I'm coming off of back surgeries, three back surgeries, back to back, pun intended, over the course of 18 months. I got an existing TBI. I'm just now getting into the gym. So it's not like I was. I'm rehabbing, I'm rehabbing with physical therapy. So I'm actually getting back to it. You know, my personal trainer now, because you. He reached out and so I'm. Ben Light is my personal trainer. Shout out to Ben Light. But now I'm getting back on the horse and you're like, I got a protocol for you. What are some of the things that you put in my specific protocol? And why should people tap into that?
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Joe
Yeah, absolutely. So your protocol is specifically tailored to your body and your needs. So what we included in yours is to get you back on track. So we have like the cheat code with quantified healing using peptides. So with your protocol, I included a retatruchide, which is a powerful metabolic enhancer. Also, it's going to lower insulin levels and go after that visceral fat. We also included nad, which my brother talked about is the found of youth molecule. So all of our energy Comes from the power plant of the cell, which is the mitochondrial mitochondrial cell that produces all of our power energy. People walking around with brain fog or fatigue, it's probably because you have bad mor meta metabolic health and mitochondrial health. Another one we included was MOT C. So MOT C is also another mitochondrial enhancer, peptide, which is nicknamed exercise in a bottle. Great for going after stubborn fat, increases your mitochondrial health and also lowers insulin levels because remember, high insulin leads to disease, diabetes, chronic inflammation. Also we put in there Tessamorelin. So we have Tessamorelin, 20 milligrams. The high dose Tessamorelin is awesome. It's gonna increase natural growth receptors. So you're gonna put on lean muscle. It also goes after your visceral fat and there's also a cognitive ability to it as well. So it's good for your brain health. The Tesamorelin is awesome because take it at night, it's going to increase your recovery, give you better sleep. So, yeah, so I believe that was in your protocol. So those will specifically tailor for you. One of the things that Dr. Trevor talks about, and the guy's a genius, goes really deep into peptides, that there's three biological failures, why people die, and it's chronic inflammation, insulin sensitivity, and myocardial dysfunction or mitochondrial destruction. So with the peptide stack I have you on, it's gonna fix and address those three biological failures.
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Host
So, yeah, that first round of peptides, this is, God honest, like, assessment. Like, I have never felt better in my entire life than being on that protocol. And I could tell it's, it's, it's. There's a distinct difference between being on the protocol, feeling healthy, getting up, doing the exercise, because I feel great for the first time. I don't feel like I'm in a fog or a cloud.
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Joe
Right.
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Host
And then when I, when it kind of peters out, it's not that the feeling of peptides, it's the feeling that since I don't feel as well, I'm not able to do the things that I would actively do to feel better about everything else. And then it start. It's a slippery slope.
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Mike
Right.
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Host
You don't feel good, you sleep in.
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Mike
Yep.
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Host
I mean, sleeping in would be a good part of the equation, but like, you start bad habits and then the next thing you know, you're caught in this deficit and then you're going downhill. You, you had mentioned, and I just want to mention this again because I think it's really important, the difference between the peptide that everybody in the country is taking for fat Loss. And then the peptide you recommend because you could maintain your muscle mass and you don't. Especially for men who just get on that, they're like, oh, I'm getting fit. And then the next thing you know, they don't have the muscle. Their metabolisms is. Is that a sinking whack?
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Joe
Yeah.
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Host
Can you talk about that a little bit?
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Joe
Yeah, absolutely. So the one you're talking about is Ozempic semiglutide. It's the most popular peptide right now. And when people think of peptides, that's what they think of. Oh, it's Ozempic. Well, peptides have been around since 1920s. The first peptide created was insulin. The Russians really perfected it about 40 years ago. So we're just like 40 years too late. But, you know, thank God we discovered this and we've improved it. So, yeah, Ozempic was the first trendy weight loss peptide, but the problem is it's a GLP1. So glucagon, like Peptide Ozempic, eats everything. Muscle fat slows the gastric emptying. Emptying lowers your insulin, also reduces your appetite, but it eats everything your muscle. So it kind of leaves you looking like a wet dog. You know, someone has like an Ozempic face. It doesn't look healthy.
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Host
O big face. Is that a thing?
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Mike
Yeah.
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Host
Is that a meme?
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Mike
Yeah, they make you look. Well, who was it? I think it was Jim Belushi, or maybe I'm getting the name wrong, but yeah, they literally have the face. It's like drooping because the muscle structure.
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Host
All the muscle in your tissue, it's.
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Mike
Like a landslide, if you will, or. Or you end up looking skinny fat. So you're skinny but you're pudgy? Yeah, yeah.
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Joe
The thing is, like, we don't want to eat our muscle. Our muscle is so important to us for our skeletal muscles. So especially like when we're in our 60s and six 70s and we fall and break a hip, it's because we lack skeletal muscles. So with Red or True Tide, completely game changer, it's won the race. It's number one. For this reason, red or two, Tide is a three agonist. So you get your GLP1, your GIP and glucagon. When those three are combined, it turns your liver on like a furnace. Eating fat, preserving lean muscle, lowering your insulin, lowering inflammation, going back to the three biological failures. It's a complete game changer. I mean, this is increasing longevity. It's not just for weight loss. It's increasing your longevity and bettering your Health. So for me, like, I. I did read a True Tide. I'm not sure if I should send you my before and after, but never had results like this before. So I work out consistently, you know, being a firefighter and try to eat well. But I started Red or True Tide In March of 2025, and three months into it, I did my fire department physical, and the doctor was like, okay. She brought me in, did all the tests. Like, every test you can think of. Even did a stress test, VO2 max. She brought me in. She's like, all right, you're 41 years old. Your west waist size is 29 inches. You're 7% body fat. Your skeletal muscles are high. She's like, this doesn't make sense. What are you doing? Laid out the full protocol of the Peptides. Went right over her head. No idea. Just. Okay. No, it's got to be your diet. What diet are you doing? I'm like, honestly, I haven't changed my diet or my exercise. Everything's been the same. I focus on high protein, but it's the Peptides. Yeah, mine was blown. She had no idea.
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Mike
Well, yeah, because, I mean, everyone's married to big pharma. I mean, I've worked in and out of the hospital for over 15 years. And, man, everyone just like, you know, in all thy ways, I acknowledge, you know, big pharma. And it's almost like a religion, almost like a cult. Like, even though science is proving, and we've known about the science for a long time, it's really just, I think, a monetary thing. So Joe just laid out all the peptides to rehabilitate, you know, fat loss, muscle building. And I would love to talk to you about rebuilding your brain, because you can literally rebuild any body tissue.
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Host
Yeah, that's gonna be my next question. Because the. The brain, especially with this systemic issue of mental health issues across the board.
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Mike
Oh, yeah.
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Host
Where people, like, there's a resurgence, obviously, of getting into psilocybin, health and wellness, because people are looking for solutions. Not alternative solutions. Solutions, period. Because the solutions offered, like, I was given Trazodone and Ambien for sleep and for anxiety. And it's like, I felt like a zombie. I felt like I couldn't function. Like, I take you guys as ageless. Is it ageless? The standard one with a powder Ages cocktail. Aegis cocktail every morning as my protocol. And it's replaced because now I do Huberman's protocol of taking caffeine a little.
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Mike
Bit, slightly delayed, 90 minutes after.
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Host
Yeah, I take it like at 10. So I'll do this as soon as I wake up. I, I do mineral and I do Aegis Cocktail and I feel great. And I actually feel like I don't need the coffee and the coffee is just a benefit. But it's not just my body, the physical sensation of my body, it's my brain.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Host
And, and what is it about Aegis Cocktail and. And how did you guys look at it and approach cognitive function over? I guess people look at it as like, like you said, they, they pay attention more to muscles. Like, I want to be fit, but it's also about clarity of focus.
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Mike
Yeah. And I tell Joe this all the time because I used to be a personal trainer for seven years.
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Host
Yeah.
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Mike
Before being a nurse. And I'm like, man, you are never going to get to the gym unless you have the energy to or the motivation. And people just like, kick yourself into motivation. I'm like, well, you're not going to do that if you don't have enough energy to get there. And so, you know, the creation of it was kind of by accident. I mean, me being a nurse, my full time gig was, you know, building up and scaling out, you know, simple nursing. And my brother, you know, full time firefighter, but we're both into longevity. My brother's way more so. And so he's always sending me like all these podcasts from, you know, all the leaders on Joe Rogan, you know, from Dr. Rhonda Patrick to Ben Greenfield to Dave Asprey, now Brian Johnson. And it's like, okay, well, every single person, Dr. Huberman, every single person has something that you should take. Right. Like Dr. Human, his biggest preaching point was, you know, salt and sunlight in the morning for 20 minutes. You're going to reset your adrenals, balance your cortisol levels, which is your stress hormone. And so if you have too high of cortisol, you're going to be, it's going to be firing off, you're going to be waking up at night, or if you have excess belly fat, it's probably a cortisol issue. So if you simply take salt and sunlight in the morning, you're going to balance that out instead of what we mostly do. Like we talked about, you know, chugging some caffeine, which again, punches, sucker punches, your adrenals, and it's gonna add insult to injury. So what ended up happening? And this is the origin story, I basically, you know, me being scientific, my brother's throwing at me like, oh my gosh, like 20 podcasts a week or I don't know, maybe a dozen. And so I'm like, okay, my analytical mind, I'm like, I'm gonna put it all on Excel spreadsheet. I'm like, okay. So Dr. Rhonda Patrick says, take this. Ben Greenfield says, take creatine for your brain health. Neuroprotectant also gives you better sleep. Dr. David Sinclair from Harvard in his book Lifespan was like, hey, take NMN and resveratrol. You're gonna boost NAD they did in rats. And the craziest part, a little excerpt that really got me sold on it, is in the book, he was saying that the equivalent of 60 year old rats were outrunning the 20 year old rats. Equivalently. Equivalently. They're basically running three times longer. And they kind of broke the machine. And I was like, holy moly. So, okay. I'm like, okay, it's gonna work for me. I'm in my mid-30s, but everything declines over time. So I was thinking my parents, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna test it on my parents. I'm gonna put all these things together in like a morning powder. And then I'm also going to do it for, you know, the coffee supplement. So we all know that. Actually, maybe we don't all know, but Paul Stamets on Joe Rogan, the leader in mushroom therapy, not just psilocybin, but all the mushrooms. Lion's mane, he says, is the number one thing to prevent dementia and brain damage. But you have to do it at max doses. See, if you look at like Four Sigma or like all these other brands that mix a bunch of proteins together or, sorry, a bunch of mushrooms together, they're only really. They're pixie dusting you, which basically means they're giving you like 300 at a time. So we give you guys that. I was like, not even. This is before we even made a product. I'm like, I want to take the maximum dose.
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Host
Yeah.
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Mike
So I'm gonna take 2,000. And then I added reishi, which is really good for immune support and also Chaga. So I'm gonna do 6,000 milligrams a day of mushrooms. I'm also gonna add cacao flavonoids, because studies were showing if you take it over 30 days at I think it was like 400 to 800 milligrams, you can actually boost and double your stem cells. And then collagen, everyone's into collagen, but then also colostrum, like armor. So I'm gonna take colostrum for my Gut reset. And all I'm doing at this point is like, I'm just taking everything that everyone recommends and putting into these little powders. That's all I want to do. And I was like, this is going to be a 90 day test. So I had my personal assistant, they worked with us at Simple Nursing, mixing all this stuff together. I'm like, I'm going to do 90 day test. And that was about three years ago. And what, what would cost from ordering from big brands on Amazon, what would cost around $250 just for the morning powder, which we now call Ages Cocktail. That would be 250 bucks from all the other brands. And I'm like, holy moly. And so I'm like, you know what? Screw it, I'm making good money. I'm going to try out my parents. My parents started feeling the difference because, I mean, the science makes sense, right? If you're in your 60s, you know, your NAD and your testosterone levels are going to be, you know, low. You can, you can get on trt, but to get something that has, you know, clinical doses, it's really hard to find. And so, and have it all in one place with the creatine and Amandra's viritol. And now we even added liposomal nad, which increases bioavailability in the gut. And then my brother came up with this crazy idea. He's like, dude, why don't we sell this stuff? And I'm like, bro, I'm a, I'm a YouTuber, I'm a digital marketer. I don't know anything about selling supplements online. And then my brother's like, well, you know, we can take it. Our whole family can take. I'm like, yeah, I guess you're right. We ended up selling out and what was it, two months? And then we ended up overnight inside of Beverly Hills Cosmetic as well as Face Logic that does facials. And we didn't even promote it. It was my mom, who's in her mid-60s at the time, her esthetician, she sees her every month and one of the months after, I think it was six weeks. Because your face, your skin cells are the fastest proliferating in the body. The older you get, the longer it'll take. But typically in your 30s or 40s, it'll take about 45 to 60 days. My mom's in her 60s, so scientifically it takes 90 days. So my mom's taking, you know, NMN resveratrol to boost any day. And if you think about it again, NAD helps At the cellular level. It's rejuvenating at the cellular level. So it's basically an internal facelift. Everything we know about skin care today goes from the outside in. So we're just kind of like, painting the barn instead of, like, re. You know, resurfacing or, you know, replacing the planks, if you will. So about six weeks or two months in the esthetician's like, what are you doing differently to your face? I see more fullness, more brightness, decreasing, fine lines and wrinkles. And she's like, I do Botox, but I've always done Botox. She's like, have you done any prp? She's like, not recently. And she's like, my boys just have me on, you know, this. That boost nad. So we end up giving a whole workshop to them, and we ended up overnight kind of being in five different med spas kind of by accident. So I think the. It all ranged true.
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Joe
It's.
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Mike
It's either you're focusing on, you know, painting over mold or. Or you're getting to the root cause of aging itself. And that's what Joe and I were just super passionate about. Yeah.
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Host
Because I. What I've noticed. Oh, God, I feel great, by the way.
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Mike
Yeah, dude. Like, I feel really good. You just took a couple of that.
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Host
Yeah, I was, like, falling asleep in the. I closed my eyes for five minutes in the truck just before I came in here, because I haven't slept because I have high levels of cortisol. I just got back from a road trip, but wow, I feel great right now.
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Joe
Good.
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Mike
That's amazing.
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Host
So, yeah, the. One of the things that, like, you know, you talked about the big formula component, and I've always known this because my mom was a cosmetologist my entire life. She was a entrepreneur, had a beauty salon, a day spa. It turned into a day spa, but no one ever focused on. Nobody asked the people that they were treating or working on for Botox or whatever what their diet was.
- [28:28]
Mike
Yeah, exactly.
- [28:29]
Host
Like, hey, are you. Are you hydrated? Are you getting your minerals? Are you getting. And I love that there's more awareness to it. But what I've recognized with you guys, which I'm. So this is why I'm so interested in the subject matter as well, is you guys put it together.
- [28:43]
Mike
Yeah.
- [28:43]
Host
Right. Because if you try to do this any other place and you try to piecemeal it, which I have, at some point, it's impossible to navigate. It's very difficult. And to get it all done in one spot, and then add it to whatever protocol you're running, complements the protocol. And again, it's inside out.
- [29:00]
Mike
Right.
- [29:00]
Host
And, and you're, you're addressing a huge problem. When you look at, when you look at NAD and you look at peptides, there's an, there's a, an emergence of awareness to what this is. There's this rebellion against big pharma, which I love that that's happening. Right. It's taking place. Oh yeah, but how, when you take this as a protocol and you add it to your life, is it, is it a cheat code? Is it some, is it a supplement? Like, you could do this and not have to really do anything else? Or is there a like an all in protocol for like, hey, look, you need to eat well, you need to sleep well, and do all the above, and this is just the, the icing on top, or is this the foundation, do you think? Because, I mean, you would never be able to get some of this supplementation in a diet. Yeah, and the fact that we're able to get this through a peptide, inject it subcutaneously, and then get all the benefits, it seems like that wouldn't be natural unless you had a really dialed nutrition profile, I mean, especially for the brain.
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Mike
No, that's an excellent question. Because we, I, I battle this all the time with all of our customers. Because it's like you have to have the foundation, right? You got to be getting good sleep. But I mean, as first responders like Joe can say, he doesn't get good sleep at all. Or even as nurses doing night shift, doing 12 hour shifts, or ambulance workers, it's almost impossible. And then getting to the gym, especially when, you know, you feel like, and you know things are falling apart, you're just old rusty car. So I think fundamentally, if you fix the hardware first, then the software can come, if you will. Ah, so, you know, just like you today, like imagine you taking a nap in your car and you're like, oh crap, I gotta go to the gym. Instead of, hey, I'm gonna just actually reboot my body from the NAD level, which it is desperately craving. The easiest way I can explain this is just like TRT, right? It's like you can have 200 testosterone when you know, statistically you should be somewhere in between, you know, 700, 900 to feel actually good and youthful like you were in your younger years. But I mean, it's the same way, right? It's like you can go at, you know, you can tackle the gym, you can eat right. And sleep Right. But fundamentally, if you don't have enough energy and enough, like, you know, motivation to do that, then it's probably just not going to happen.
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Host
Do you think it starts with the brain? Because I've kind of noticed that where I used to do it based off feeling. And when you're young, you can get away with it.
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Joe
Right.
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Host
Like, you wake up and you're like, I feel great all the time.
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Mike
Yeah.
- [31:25]
Host
But then when you get older, you're. You get up and your body might be able to move. But, like, this morning, I did not want. My brain was like, dude, you. Like, everything was foggy. No. No amount of caffeine, which I. I drank it all. Like, how much caffeine you have this morning? All of it. And then I still felt like crap. Now, honestly, if I. I feel like if I had. I didn't take ages cocktail this morning, I didn't think about it. But if I would have had something like NAD to kind of snap me out of it.
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Mike
Yeah.
- [31:53]
Host
I think I would have had the focus and clarity to be like, all right, it's time to move forward. And it's almost like my brain used to depend on the body. Now my brain is depending on its focus to get through life, to make decisions and do everything else.
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Mike
Yeah.
- [32:07]
Host
Because it's. My body, obviously, is. I mean, progressively damaged, broken, always in a deficit. And you need that brain health and that focus to kind of in your latter years, where you almost transition academically, where you're like, your body's being used all the time now, you're slowing it down and you want to use your brain. Well, what happens when your brain and your body are slowing down?
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Mike
Yeah. And that's why, for all the listeners that are dealing with this, I mean, anyone in their mid-30s, 40s, 40s, and even older, you're gonna deal with that. Right. Your body is breaking down. So if there's three things you can do, it's, number one, boost your nad. And. And this is the reason why I was like, you know, initially made that spreadsheet. I made it for me and my family. I didn't really make it a cell. And I told my brother, I'm like, this is gonna be dumb. Like, we shouldn't do this at all. But, I mean, I know that, you know, getting enough electrolytes and NAD in the morning, it's going to reboot. Your body is craving that because that's why you feel tired.
- [33:04]
Host
Yeah. So this would be first thing in the morning.
- [33:06]
Mike
Yes. So what. What I personally do is I Have my huge, like, Stein cup or, you know, your. To go like a water jug.
- [33:13]
Host
Yeah.
- [33:13]
Mike
And you can throw that in if you want to take sips on it.
- [33:16]
Host
Or that's what I just drink right here, right?
- [33:18]
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, or you can chug it, which most people get that gi. Upset because there's clinical doses. And so most people get, like. That's why I say, like, go slow. Like, mix it with something big. But, yeah, like tackling the nad, which, you know, we have it right here. And then with your coffee, just mix in the awaken. Because it has, you know, maximum doses, 6,000 milligrams of functional mushrooms. And so lion's mane. If you, you know, if you. If there's only one thing you would take in the morning, it would be lion's mane in your coffee, just like I gave you right now. And also, you know, amenders virtual. So those are the biggest active ingredients to get your day started. Next, I would say, you know, if you have low testosterone or if your hormones are all out of whack, you're gonna feel. Doesn't matter what you do. Yeah, so that's, I would think, number.
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Host
Two, like a TRT protocol.
- [34:10]
Mike
Oh, yeah, big time.
- [34:11]
Host
Getting your blood levels checked.
- [34:13]
Mike
Oh, yeah.
- [34:14]
Host
Can you get your NAD levels or any of the things that are coming in peptide form? Is there any markers to be able to observe in blood to see if you're getting benefit out of it?
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Mike
I'll have Joe explain the nad. But first, with. With the peptides, it's hard because, you know, scientifically, there's over 7,000 peptides in the body right now. Like Joe said, there's insulin's a peptide. Many of our hormones are peptides, and all peptides really do is help your body fold proteins. So once your body starts getting all this oxidative damage from stress, from smoking, from road trips or, you know, work, then things start malfunctioning. So all peptides really do is they come in and they help your body. Almost like a personal trainer, they remind your body how to fold the protein.
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Host
It's like a signal to the.
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Mike
So to really test if a peptide is actually in the system. This is why the Olympics and a lot of professional athletes, it's hard to test because it's. It's already in your body. And so if someone's taking BPC like they did in the Olympics, there was a. That story. I think Joe Ruger was talking about it.
- [35:21]
Host
It's BBC. BBC 157.
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Mike
BBC 157.
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Host
Yeah.
- [35:25]
Mike
It's like they call Wolverine strength because you can rehabilitate your body, you know, and accelerate like, you know, 3X. So there was a guy that I think ruptured his Achilles tendon, which usually takes, you know, months and months to heal. I think he was back on the field within about two months and it was crazy.
- [35:41]
Host
Why would you not want that for your athletes though? Like.
- [35:43]
Mike
I know, I know. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I mean, to answer your question, it's. It's really hard to say if you can test that. Now, what about NAD is. There's a few studies out there. You can, you can test it.
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Joe
As far as I know, there's only one company and I'm drawing a blank on the name of the company that could actually measure NAD in the body. Also get back to. With the name of that, that company. I can't think of it right now.
- [36:04]
Mike
But Captain Ron, your fire captain, he.
- [36:06]
Joe
He was using that company, but he.
- [36:09]
Mike
Was saying that it was unaccurate at sometimes or was it?
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Joe
I'm not exactly sure. I'll get back to you. But for myself, I am on a prescribed low dose of trt, so I get my blood work done regularly every three months. And I've been on peptides for like four or five years. My blood work has never determined any type of peptide because peptides are just short chain amino acids. The only thing I've noticed is lowering my insulin, which is great because, you know, we're Mexican. All of our grandparents, including our, our mom was diabetic. My mom was pre diabetic. Thank God. We lowered her insulin using peptides. But my doctor was like, how did you lower your insulin level? You lowered your A1C. She's like, I've never seen anyone do this.
- [36:48]
Mike
Yeah.
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Joe
As far as my blood work, there's nothing that has come up, doesn't mess with your hormones, Nothing. So what about the.
- [36:57]
Host
It would be efficacy of the. Of the one thing I'm always concerned with, with peptides and we've had this conversation on, on our podcast. Is the. The. Is it a peptide?
- [37:08]
Mike
Right?
- [37:08]
Host
Are you getting it? Are you getting something out of it? And that has to do with the manufacturer and their test? Right. And that has to be on the up and up. How do you even test for that? Or do you.
- [37:20]
Mike
Is there like a organization that regulates third party testing?
- [37:23]
Joe
That's a great question. So we actually pay extra to get a certificate of analysis that tests the purity and third party testing. So for us, like our standard for rejuvenate peptides is that we want 99% purity for all of our peptides because everything we have on the website, us and our family are taking. I don't want to know exactly what I'm putting in my body. So, yeah, so we, we do have those testing results. We have full transparency on our website that we posted to. Which I don't know of any peptide companies that are currently doing that. Maybe there are, but I don't, I don't know of any. So that's, that's our standard.
- [37:53]
Host
Okay.
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Mike
The funniest part is full transparency. Sorry to throw you out on the bus. So when my brother first started, you know, sourcing peptides and bas getting like wholesale med spot prices, I'm like, dude, I don't even. Dr. Huberman just came out with that, you know, that podcast. I was like, try not to know where your peptides are coming from because some have lead, some have heavy metals in it. And I'm like, dude, like, once you do the test, I'm all in. And so we did the test and everything came back good. So I'm like, all right, well, let's try it out.
- [38:21]
Host
Oh, okay. So there is like a test and a sheet.
- [38:24]
Joe
Yes.
- [38:24]
Host
And you can analyze and assess.
- [38:25]
Mike
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Joe
If you go to our website, every single peptide on our website has the third party testing results with certificate of analysis and purity. So we tested every which way, up and down.
- [38:35]
Host
Yeah. And there, there's a big push. I, I did hear on Rogue, it's podcast, there's a big push by big pharma to go after peptides to regulate it.
- [38:45]
Mike
Yes.
- [38:45]
Host
They won't control.
- [38:46]
Mike
Right, yeah. If, if you're watching this right now, you know, I didn't go missing. I'm.
- [38:51]
Host
Yeah.
- [38:51]
Mike
Not suicidal right now. Yeah, exactly. They're going to pull this down. Big pharma is going to. Oh, shoot, they're here. No, I'm.
- [38:55]
Host
Yeah, exactly.
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Mike
But seriously, for example, like Joe and his wife Raina, they had a, you know, on social media, they were just talking about peptides and they showed people how to inject. So legally speaking, you can educate about peptides. Like Dr. Trevor, legally speaking, you can, you know, have peptides on a website from a compound pharmacy as research purposes only. You can't show people how to inject peptides. You can't educate them on the dosages of peptides. Even though we do.
- [39:24]
Host
Yeah.
- [39:25]
Mike
Just because it's supposed to be research only, like. Yeah, yeah. But everyone knows. And the reason for that is all just because the money, you know, follow the money and it's only until, you know, big daddy FDA can get their hands in it. And that's why Ozempic is like the 1984 computer that everyone's using right now, but just causing destruction the body. There's so many better peptides like Ratatruetide. So you follow the Tide family. Like a lot of people are on tri Zepatide and semi glutide, which is Ozempic. But the third generation, the most updated version that attacks body fat on three levels is the Ratatou type. But no one's talking about it because.
- [40:03]
Host
Ozipic is leading the way.
- [40:04]
Mike
Well, that's the only one that big Pharma allows. So it's almost like the mafia.
- [40:08]
Host
Yeah. You know, and, and Trump just reduced the cost of Ozempic countrywide. But RFK is pushing, according to this, this really in depth podcast on Rogan, he's pushing to legalize peptides and basically keep it away from the government and allow people to do it. Yeah, it reminds me of, I guess CBD would be the greatest example. I own a CBD company. I mean, I've used CBD and CBN for sleep and chronic pain for years, but finally getting the regulation where they're kind of leaving it alone. And you could do commerce because the merchant service isn't going to kick you off the platform or ban you because you're selling or transacting. You're not seeing that issue now with banks and stuff like that, are you?
- [40:51]
Joe
Yeah, I mean, so going back to the fda. So the FDA hates peptides. It's just, just amino acids. But I mean, this is quantified healing.
- [40:59]
Host
They want to control it.
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Joe
They want to control it because this could potentially topple a trillion dollar business from the fda. The FDA wants people fat and sick. They don't address the root cause or get true healing. They just want to prescribe medication, move on to the next customer. And now they have a lifetime customer taking their prescription medication for the rest of their life. They don't want people to be truly healed. So with that being said, yeah, there is a hatred towards peptides and a lot of merchant service accounts do not like peptides because there's such a control and band over it. For example, I have one. We created a Parkinson's bundle. Now what I'm going to say right now, this might, we might need to move this over to Patreon, but I.
- [41:37]
Mike
Know put a mine in paywall, you're gonna go miss it.
- [41:39]
Joe
I'm not suicidal.
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Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Joe
I have a great life. But so we created a Parkinson's bundle because we had a bunch of friends saying, hey, my father has Parkinson's. I have a family member with Parkinson's. We researched it, we created this bundle. One of my buddies at work, he got his father on it, who was using a cane. Very difficult cognitive ability to speak, stuttering. He's been on the bundle, honest to God, for two weeks. He called, he was. Tell Joe, call him right now. Tell him whatever he has me on, it's working. No more cane. He has a video of his father doing a box jump. Speaking clearly. I mean, this is amazing.
- [42:16]
Host
What's the specifics of the bundle? What is it, what is it about the bundle that. I mean, is there anything that's like different from a standard peptide bundle that, that you see is the marker for change?
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Mike
No.
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Joe
That's a great question. So we have it on our website, the Parkinson's bundle. But what it does, just like I was mentioning earlier, it addresses the three biological failures, so chronic inflammation, insulin sensitivity and mitochondrial dysfunction. So with that being said, is that we're fixing the mitochondrial health using like NAD MOT C. In the model we have retruchite to lower the inflammation and the insulin. And we also have thymosin alpha, which I always thought. We always thought that most. And alpha was the never get sick peptide. But thymosin alpha actually increases the helper T cells with reducing inflammation as well. We also have a SS31, which SS31 rebuilds the mitochondrial health and supports it. And we have. I might be missing one more, but we have. What else am I missing? I'm missing one more.
- [43:11]
Mike
Do you have on CMax?
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Joe
CMax is one of them. Yes. That's the one thing.
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Mike
CMax rebuilds the brain from the inside out. And yeah, a big thing that I'm really passionate about, I think your viewers would get a lot out of is if anyone suffer from a depression or anxiety like, like I have. Or even just a TBI. You can literally rebuild the brain with three peptides. So Cmax, C link and PE22 and actually have right here. So.
- [43:34]
Joe
So we're. We're coming out with our own nasal sprays. Peptide nasal sprays.
- [43:40]
Mike
What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So nasal spray.
- [43:42]
Host
So instead of having to inject.
- [43:43]
Joe
Exactly, yeah. Because 85% of people don't want to inject, which is fine.
- [43:46]
Mike
Yeah.
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Joe
But what we experimented with for the last two months is in as nasal spray. Peptides have been a game changer. I mean, you know, I have ADHD and I'll take A hit of C Max, slink and boom. I'm ready to go. I'm focused, energized.
- [44:03]
Host
But also because it's absorbing through the glands.
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Mike
Yeah. So it basically absorbs through the crib perform plate and goes right into the dome instead of, you know, seeing. Well, these are for brain peptides.
- [44:13]
Host
Yeah, yeah.
- [44:13]
Mike
The ones for your muscle or for recovery like VPC or, you know, you want to inject it. Right. Kind of where you need it.
- [44:19]
Host
Yeah.
- [44:19]
Mike
And that makes sense. Right. It's localized but. But basically what CMAXC Link does and that's why a lot of companies put it into the same bio.
- [44:28]
Host
Yeah. Is this it?
- [44:29]
Mike
Yeah. So this is actually just a demo product, but I can actually, you know, whip something together for you and just give it to you. Actually, I'll mail you a whole package.
- [44:38]
Host
So cognitive enhancing. Yeah, let's, let's get into these. Yeah, the three. Because I, this is what I need.
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Mike
So I have all the medical notes right here. But not to get too sciency because I've done like, you know, so many medical videos to think about at a high level and just like a big overview. Your brain functions off of two happy chemicals, dopamine and serotonin. Now there's a lot of other neurotransmitters, but those are the two main ones that make you feel really good or really. So for example, if we can say it, if you take, you know, street drugs like Molly or ecstasy, it's not that you're taking a bunch of serotonin. What it's doing is it's blocking serotonin receptors. So there's more serotonin in your brain. Or if you do like a lot of blow or coke, all you're doing is doing the same thing, but you're having more dopamine. You're basically boosting what's normally in your body. That's really all it's doing. But if on the fundamental level you are enhancing the receptors and rebuilding the neuroreceptors on the serotonin level and the dopamine level, if you guys didn't know the serotonin helps with the happy chemical and dopamine mainly helps with your motivation and drive. And so if you have, with depression, anxiety or if you have damage to the brain, obviously your receptors are going to be damaged. So if you can rebuild those receptors on the cellular level, which is exactly what C Link CMAX does, then obviously you're going to be more happier, you're going to have more energy and more motivation, more drive and so that's why like, if, if you guys can like you know, even just look on ChatGPT or just throw in CMax, you're going to see it's dopamine and BDNF activator. So BDNF is a brain derived neurotropic factor which basically just helps the receptor and the synapses where these happy chemicals go. The main point is that it restores cognitive clarity, it improves motivation obviously because we're improving dopamine receptors and it reduce the effects of chronic stress and on the brain system reward. Now a side note here, that all sounds fun and games and it's like textbook stuff. I used it on myself to recover from depression after mold toxicity, which was, you know, lingering I think for what was it, four or five months. And also I'm like, well if it worked on me, you know, it might work on my other buddy. So my buddy Dave, who has massive adhd, always falls into depression. He was having suicidal thoughts I think at the time he reached out to me, he's like, dude, I'm having like 20 or 30 suicidal thoughts a day. I'm like, holy. And I'm like, this helped with, with, you know, you know, physiologically it helped me repair my, my, you know, two main happy chemicals, you know, dopamine and serotonin. I'm like, let me just send you the care package. I just wanted to get you on these three. And I didn't even mention PE22, which is the most powerful antidepressants peptide. But I'm like, just take these three and then also send them like D sip, which actually helps with delta sleep. Just get you in real deep sleep. Anyways, in about, I think it was about like four weeks he called me back and I followed up with him. He's like, dude, I have no suicidal thoughts. I feel completely normal. Like everything is just baseline. He's like, I don't feel like amazing off the top, you know, like great. But I just feel like a normal person is like my sleep. I used to wake up all the time. My sleep is so deep. I actually have, you know, I'm actually very productive at work. I have an anxiety in a few weeks, which I've had it for, you know, over a year that was getting progressively worse. And I was like, man, I started getting chills and even getting it right now because I'm like, you can literally reset the age of any body tissue. And I think the reason why we have a lot of mental health issues, you know, across America, is Because of all the crap in our food. There's over 30 chemicals that are allowed in our food that are not allowed in Europe, not even Canada. There's microplastics everywhere that they're finding even they're finding so many microplastics that it's even your scrotum now it's in nutsack as men, which is actually driving down testosterone. So all this damage is leading to damage in the brain which is damaging your receptor sites.
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Host
What's your opinion on sustainment? Because like I imagine like you take this, you hit it in the nostrils and it repairs. Does it repair and stay? I imagine age is, is the compound factor we're fighting against. It's the control because it just continues to degenerate. So do you repair and it's one and done or is this or peptides overall something in a protocol that you just continue to take habitually?
- [49:02]
Mike
Yeah, that's a great question. The best way that I tell our customers or really anyone asking because I've been doing peptides for over five years now. It's almost like when are you gonna be done brushing your teeth? Or like when are you gonna be done showering, you know, or when you with your. Yeah, that's really all it is, at least for now. The science we have right now is like we're plugging holes in a sinking ship because it's like, okay, nad is decreasing. Let's take something for nad. Okay, our brain is up. Okay, let's take something that's going to help the brain. The cool part about peptides though is that you cycle on and cycle off. Now it's unlike a steroid because a steroid is basically you're injecting an exogenous hormone into your body. So you're telling your body to shut off. You know what? It naturally produces all steroids. All peptides really do differently than steroids is that it increases or it reminds your body how it used to function. And so people with adhd, anxiety, depression or ptsd, all you're doing is kind of, you know, doing a hard reset like you do on iPhone, if you will. And you're getting yourself back to baseline. So it's recommended depending on your on your case. But to get yourself up to baseline, it'll probably only take about a two month cycle on a brain peptide. Most peptides even like the, the fat loss and muscle building ones like the Tessa Morlands the. And then the fat loss ones, I'm not see the retired, the aod, those ones typically go in about a six to eight week cycle as well. And then usually always you're going to be taking at least one to two months off and then going on it again if you need it. So I need actually to follow up on Buddy Dave because I've only been doing the brain peptides for I think the last 18 months now. And so I personally have been on, you know, four rounds of it just because I'm like, I love the way I feel. I wake up with so much energy. And one actual peptide to write down is something called a rexin. And not erection, but erect. No, I'm just kidding. But, but a rexin actually will give you a lot of mental clarity and focus. But if you do have anxiety, I wouldn't recommend it. I would stabilize your brain first with the C Max again, C link. And then the Most powerful antidepressant 1Pe22.
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Host
Is that, is that available now? Like you guys can, you can get that now within that three piece protocol, right?
- [51:16]
Joe
Yeah, we're going live with that next week. Oh, we have everything lined up ready to go. Yeah, we just have to launch it.
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Host
Yeah. And, and is anybody else doing that, the nostril thing for the, for peptide?
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Joe
I haven't heard of too many other people.
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Mike
Yeah, there's, there's a few other companies out there, but I think the problem with most other companies is that man, they're, they're charging like med spa prices. They're like 4 or 5x.
- [51:39]
Host
Oh wow.
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Mike
And I was even telling Joe because I'm, I'm just helping Joe because I love peptides myself and I'm like, okay, this is, you know, you and your wife's thing. I'm like, dude, like what I was paying before on another website, like for example, Motsi. I'm like, dude, that was like four times higher. And, and it's basically the same thing. So.
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Host
Yeah, because the business plan and the health and wellness spa that from my experience living next to Park City. Yeah, they're everywhere, they're popping up everywhere. We even have one in our own hometown is you get in there and then the dependency is like the I.V.
- [52:12]
Joe
Hookup.
- [52:12]
Host
Yeah, you want, you want this peptide. What's special? We have to inject it. We'll follow the protocol. You're nervous about injection and then we're going to give you the IV and then it's all going to be handled here. And it's like what, you could do that at home?
- [52:27]
Mike
Yeah.
- [52:27]
Host
And you don't even have to inject it because you could do it through the Nasal, right?
- [52:32]
Mike
Yeah. But I mean, like, not all.
- [52:34]
Host
I got chills for you.
- [52:36]
Mike
But not all the peptides can.
- [52:38]
Joe
Are.
- [52:38]
Mike
Are bioavailable or the efficacy or the absorption rate is as good.
- [52:42]
Host
Yeah.
- [52:42]
Mike
I mean, you can still take a muscle building peptide like Tessa Morlin, you can do up the nose, but it's not going to be as good as injecting. So if anyone's out there that you know, doesn't like needles, you can always do a nasal version. Yeah. I think one of the best ones that I love is that the GHKCU to reset the skin. And I just finished that. Even my mom was like, wow, your face is looking really clear. Like, what are you doing? Wow.
- [53:05]
Host
So there's a peptide essentially for everything.
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Mike
It's like an app. Like there's an app for that, you know? Yeah, yeah.
- [53:10]
Host
So, okay, so peptides, the sup. The supplements, a big component to, to cognitive mental health function and then, and then physical health. When you, when you wrap it up all together, the cost of this stuff gets insane in these wellness spas.
- [53:29]
Joe
Right, right.
- [53:30]
Host
So the idea with you guys is you're down selecting your protocol based on your needs. You could package the recipe and then get it shipped to your door.
- [53:38]
Joe
Correct.
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Host
And I, I explained this to Joe. I'm like. Because I worked with another wellness company and I was just kind of like, hey, I want to try this out. And it was in Cali, which isn't that far from here. I could drive there in nine hours. And they shipped it to my door with it constituted.
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Mike
Oh no.
- [53:58]
Host
Yeah. And peptides on ice. And by the time it got to my door warm. It was warm.
- [54:01]
Mike
Yeah.
- [54:02]
Host
So you have to throw them out. This cool.
- [54:05]
Mike
Right.
- [54:05]
Host
Because it, because there is. It will die. I mean it basically goes away and it'll be ineffective if you get it and it's not cool.
- [54:13]
Joe
Right.
- [54:13]
Host
Because.
- [54:13]
Joe
Exactly.
- [54:14]
Host
Or just constitute it. Like with rejuvenate you constitute in your home.
- [54:18]
Mike
Yeah. That's honestly the best way. But at the end of the day, you have to understand that peptides are very fragile. So even when you're remixing your peptides.
- [54:25]
Host
Yeah.
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Mike
I mean the best way to do it is not to get it reconstituted from a company because again, it could like die in transport and then you're just injecting yourself or nothing. But even remixing it, you want the, the fluid to go down the side of the vial, not directly on like a pressure washer.
- [54:42]
Host
Yeah.
- [54:42]
Mike
Onto the powder. And then something that I actually had to learn is anytime you just, you know, remixed your peptides. Never put them in the refrigerator door because those micro movements of opening and closing are going to damage it.
- [54:54]
Host
Mine are my door. I'm glad I got the.
- [54:58]
Joe
You're good.
- [54:59]
Host
You keep there by the butter. I just like open it and close it.
- [55:02]
Mike
Okay. Yeah. The best way to place it is in the back.
- [55:04]
Host
Yeah.
- [55:04]
Mike
And then a really cool hack that my brother taught me was like meal prepping it. So he draws up all his peptides for the whole week. Actually, the whole month. Because anytime you reconstitute it, the average lifespan is at least one month. It depends on the peptide.
- [55:20]
Joe
Depends. It could be up to 90 days.
- [55:22]
Mike
It could be up to 90 days.
- [55:23]
Host
Yeah, yeah.
- [55:23]
Mike
But. But it's great if you just like meal prep and just have.
- [55:26]
Host
So you draw up everything in one.
- [55:28]
Joe
No, what I do is. So like right now, for example, I'm on the. The CLO stack. So CLO is a KPV, GHKCU and BPC157. I'm primarily doing it for my gut. But the side effect of the close sac is really good for your facial skin.
- [55:41]
Host
Yeah.
- [55:42]
Joe
But I noticed that I was getting lazy at night and like, oh, I'm gonna go to bed instead of doing my peptide. So what I did is I drew up the entire vials, three separate vials, into three separate Ziploc bags. So all my syringes are preloaded into three separate bags and I label them, keep it in my little peptide fridge in my room, and then that way it's just ready to go. I don't even think about it. Just grab it and go.
- [56:02]
Host
Oh, you said. So the load.
- [56:04]
Mike
The.
- [56:04]
Host
The syringes are already loaded?
- [56:05]
Joe
Loaded, yes. Yeah.
- [56:06]
Host
Ah, okay, smart.
- [56:08]
Joe
But going back to your questions, most peptides can be put or mixed in the same syringe. Like I give you CJC 1295 with Tessa Morland. You could add that.
- [56:16]
Host
Yeah.
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Joe
The only ones I would recommend not to mix together is ghkcu, which is like a copper peptide Red or true Tide. Keep it by itself. Nad. Keep it by itself. Other than that, most of them can be mixed together in one syringe.
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Mike
There.
- [56:27]
Host
When you, when you hear like experimental use only, it scares the crap out of people.
- [56:31]
Joe
Right?
- [56:31]
Mike
Yeah. Legally you have to say that. Yeah, yeah.
- [56:33]
Host
And it's. But. But there has been no cases of fatalities, injuries or anything.
- [56:40]
Joe
Right.
- [56:40]
Host
I've never heard of.
- [56:41]
Mike
The only thing that I've ever heard throughout my research. And I, I totally forgot to mention this. I. I made a five hour video course on Peptides that we're going to be launching on YouTube for free.
- [56:50]
Host
Oh, awesome.
- [56:51]
Mike
And also 150 page book on longevity. No, only on peptides.
- [56:55]
Host
Yeah, no, I mean on longevity farms.
- [56:57]
Joe
It's going to be on rejuvenate peptide YouTube channel.
- [56:59]
Mike
YouTube. Yeah.
- [57:00]
Joe
Yeah.
- [57:00]
Host
Awesome. When does that drop?
- [57:02]
Mike
Oh, man. So I already shot everything, but when I sold simple nursing to a textbook company. Yeah, they're like, you can't do any. In my NDA was no medical education. So for watching this. No, I'm kidding. No, but I'm still going to launch it and then just, you know, it's always better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
- [57:19]
Host
Yeah, yeah.
- [57:19]
Mike
So I'm still going to launch and see what happens. Or maybe I'll just have an avatar. Just be my face. My voice will be in the background.
- [57:25]
Host
Yeah, yeah, you got a great voice.
- [57:27]
Mike
Oh, thank you.
- [57:27]
Host
So let's, let's wrap up with. I want to talk about psilocybin. Because, yeah, we had talked about a little bit before. I just have a conversation with a buddy of mine in Kanab, Utah. We kind of do this little retreat. You guys got to come to this little retreat thing we do. It's not a retreat, it's. We just go screw off. In Kanab, which is a small town, but it has dunes and outdoor stuff. We bring our families and we hang out and do stuff, but we, we work out. I did meditative, I do wisdom dojo, which is the wisdom, wisdom dojo, meditation practice, belly breathing and, you know, reducing stress and cortisol doing. I did that protocol with them. We eat clean, we break bread together. But we could introduce peptides into the old equation and educate these guys on and be super fun. But I talked to my buddy about the impact that psilocybin had on my brain because not only did I get the benefits of perspective because I had a better perspective walking away from it, but I feel like, you know, without understanding completely the studies and the science, because a lot of them are ongoing, even Paul Stamets has ongoing studies. The neurogenesis and neuroplasticity and the way it benefits your brain. What's your opinion on psilocybin and the alternative? I guess the, the alternative brain benefits or perspective benefits because both of you have dealt profoundly with death.
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Mike
Oh, yeah.
- [58:53]
Host
And that scares the crap out of people and trauma. But for ptsd, for veterans in my peer group, it has greatly benefited us.
- [59:01]
Mike
Yeah. I mean, gosh, there's so much we can talk about. This is like a whole nother podcast. So much I'm so interested in this stuff, so much so that I even started a mushroom church actually in Miami, and we do.
- [59:14]
Host
Are you based in Miami?
- [59:15]
Mike
Do you live kind of? Yes and no. I mean, born and raised in California, but I'm half the year in Miami. Awesome. But, but the reason for that, if anywhere you go, there's so much research being done about psilocybin from all the Ivy League schools. The. One of the best documentaries to watch is how to change your mind from Georgetown University, I believe, Harvard, even Yale. I think even Dr. Huberman had, was it was involved in some type of study for psilocybin. But what they're finding out is this, you know, catchy word, neuroplasticity. All that really means is that it reshapes the brain. And if you think about ptsd, anxiety or depression, but mainly ptsd, just think about as a moat, you know, like around a castle, but a very muddy moat, slippery moat. And you're trying your best to kind of dig yourself out, but you'll. You'll always keep on slipping down and slipping down into ruminating thoughts. You'll have these flashbacks like my brother did when he came back from. From where you at? Iraq. Iraq 2003. And it's like modern medicine can't really help with that. It's just, here's some antidepressants. I mean, I think that overall, we've been failed as first responders, as military and even veterans. No one really cares. It's just like, here's big pharma, here's big. It doesn't work. And so psilocybin itself, with the research, there's two things. Number one, it reshapes the brain with neuroplasticity. So imagine that big muddy moat you're trying to get out of. Imagine you have bulldozers that just level it and you put a, you know, finely smooth racetrack on top of it. That's what psilocybin does. The second thing psilocybin does is that it turns off portions of the brain that resonate with your ego, with the eye, and then it activates other parts of the brain that aren't usually activated. So that's why when you're under a hero's dose of psilocybin, you can see things and patterns that you normally don't. So you're thinking thoughts that you normally don't think. And then really, the third thing that they found out is that according to Paul statements, it's a thousand times better bioavailable than antidepressants. So if you think about a lock and key situation, the active ingredient, the molecule of psilocybin, psilocin, it actually fits perfectly, not 90% perfectly, not, you know, 80 to 99, 100% perfect, into that same receptor that we use or we try to use for antidepressants. Wow. And it's being violently suppressed right now because there's no. Almost no money to be made on it unless you make it illegal and then Big Pharma tries to sell it. So according to Paul's statements, the best way to do it is doing microdoses. So you can do what he recommends, a five on and two off, or you can do every other day right around the tune of like 75-150mg, you can do more, but you're not really supposed to fill it. That's the goal. And so I have my parents on it because they're getting older, obviously, damage to the brain. As we get older, your whole body's being damaged. And it's so funny because my dad, who had just severe trauma growing up, not from military per se, but he grew up in a broken home with a mom who was constantly drunk and substance abuse and get, you know, beaten by all her boyfriends, he came to the Lord, found Christ, and then became a police officer for 30 years. But the craziest part is that he started just very subtle around, I think, six weeks into it, he started thinking thoughts that he haven't thought of. I really haven't heard him say a lot. He's like, man, you know, I'm very grateful for this day. And then he started connecting with me on different stories of how he's proud of me as being his son and how things that I haven't normally heard with his operating system, of how he likes to. Between Fox News, the world is crashing, the government's failing us.
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Host
He's definitely read my book.
- [62:52]
Mike
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just so if there's anything that your listeners can do, if, you know they are suffering from ptsd, depression, anxiety, even adhd, it's just fixing the hardware first and then fix your software. So I've been to meditation retreat that gave us. It was a silent retreat for 10 days. 100 hours of meditation in 10 days. No phone, no laptop. You can even read a book.
- [63:18]
Host
No talking.
- [63:18]
Mike
No talking. And I call that the software because I'm not doing anything physiological to my body. Like I'm not taking a peptide to reset my brain. I'm not taking psilocybin. I'm fixing kind of like my thoughts and I'm doing the software but I recommend the you know, reverse for first responders especially or veterans. It's you rebuild the brain, the hardware first, the neuro synapses to make everything function better with your serotonin and dopamine. Then you can stack on a microdosing protocol of no more than 10 weeks, five days a week, about anywhere between 75 to 150 milligrams. And then after all that is done then I would say you know, go into recondition your thoughts or you can do it in, in conjunction, you know, do the meditation as well and then just observe your thoughts. And if you guys, if any of your listeners want a free way to do it or just want it, you know an all intensive go through the fire course, there's something called vipassana that I went through and that's 10 days. They house you and feed you for free. You don't have to pay anything.
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Host
Where's that at?
- [64:19]
Mike
There's over 200 locations around the world and it's not religious, it's not Hindu, it's not Buddhism. They actually it's against all that. The, the whole point of it is to silent the mind because, and it's so funny because to leave everyone with this and I keep on saying that, but it's so fascinating, it's that by the end of 100 hours of meditation they're finding out that your brain reacts very similarly than going on like a hero's dose of mushrooms. Wow. Because you're quieting parts of your brain that are overactive, specifically the limbic system that has that fight or flight, that stress response and you know psilocybin and also PE22 help to quiet that down. And so that's why I like the cheat codes first and then I like to do like the long term foundation work.
- [65:06]
Host
I like that comprehensive work. It's got to be all in, you got to do it that way. Joe, I'm going to leave you last word before we say goodbye. I do want to say I am going to in my description leave my protocol that Longevity Farms and Rejuvenate has recommended for me with the link of where you can get that protocol as well as my coupon code MG10 down in the description because I know some of you guys or similar to me, you, you're like minded like me but some of you are in the same boat as me. So I'll list out my protocol exactly, leave the links and then the code MG10 will be available and I'LL leave you with the last word. Joe.
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Joe
Yeah, thanks Mike again thanks for having us on. You know this is our hobby and our passion is longevity health and just helping people. Me being a first responder and my brother being a nurse. We just, we enjoy this. This is something that we really get into and just exploring the body and finding alternative methods of healing and strength and weight loss, brain health. But yeah for all of your listeners if they email us at I'll put the link in the show notes. We'll build a custom made peptide protocol plan to help them meet their goals. We'll give the discount code for longevity farms. Any way we can get back to your community? We would love to. So again thank you. Thanks for having us on.
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Host
Awesome. Yeah thanks for being on man. I appreciate you guys knowledge and all the experiences you guys share. I leaning in on you to advance this forward because I'm going to be on the protocol. Thank you recommend.
- [66:35]
Joe
Thanks for trusting us.
- [66:36]
Host
Always man. Thanks guys. Until next time. Peace out guys.