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LeBron James
By the way, it's my second. It's the start of my second today. Those glasses I saw. Those glasses, though, did tempt me a little bit. I'm not even going to lie. Okay, what you got? What did you bring? What did you bring? Under strict show budget?
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JJ Redick
I don't remember what it was.
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LeBron James
It's upstairs. If you want it, we can bring it. It's time to bring them down. Let's take a look at them. Let's take a look at them. Just in case somebody have a little sip or even just had a glass here. It looks. Aesthetically, it looks great on camera. We want to keep. Keep it, you know, classy, elevated. Keep it elevated. Yeah, exactly.
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JJ Redick
Welcome back to another episode of Mind the Game. In this episode, I got to nerd.
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LeBron James
Out a little bit.
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JJ Redick
You know, maybe it's an episode that means more to me than most people out there, but I think it's really fascinating for fans and even fans who played in the league to understand what it takes to survive, to find consistency, to be prepared to play, to avoid injury, to be able to go out there every night and do your job. And so in this episode, I really dug in on LeBron's preparation, how he takes care of his body, the sports science behind it, what his recovery is like, his diet, many different things that allow him to find that level night after night, but also year after year. This is year 22 for LeBron James. That's an outrageous accomplishment to play and to be able to play at this level, still dunking on younger players, still running the floor, still able to play an extremely high level and efficient level. And much of that is due to the way he handles his preparation and recovery. This guy is very diligent and religious about the way he takes care of his body and his mind. And I think you'll be fascinated, as I was, to get a little deeper, understand their methodology and the routines and the habits that he's built over these 22 years. You know, one thing that I gotta ask, and it leads into A, you know, longer conversation that fascinates me is like, how do you feel? Like, really, how do you feel? Like, do you feel great? Do you feel like, I feel great for my age? Do you feel. I feel great for this stage of my career. You're just like, I feel great.
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LeBron James
Um, I have my moments before, so that's good.
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JJ Redick
You're human. You're human.
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LeBron James
Yeah, I have my moments. But for, I would say for where I am in my career, the years I've played, the miles I've played, the minutes I've played, the games I've played. I feel great. I feel great. And obviously you have months where some months are better than others, depending on the schedule after games, depending on the workhorse of the game, you know, you like, oh, shit. But it's usually the morning after the game. It's that first step out of bed will let you know how old your ass is. And those are the moments. I'd be like, bron, what the hell? And it's usually on the road, too. It's usually on the road. You know, you're like, what the hell are you still doing out here? What the fuck are you doing? Why are you out here still?
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JJ Redick
And where do you feel it? Like, is it like a slight, like, inflammation? Tired legs? Back.
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LeBron James
Yeah, back, ankles. Yeah, yeah.
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JJ Redick
You know, no one wants to hear this, but I played soccer a little bit, and I played the other night, a bunch of guys that are like 25 to 30. Like, I wake up the next day, I feel like I was in a car crash. That's the only way I can explain it. Like, I don't know how you are still dunking on cats, like, running out ahead of everybody.
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LeBron James
I don't. I don't know either. You know, I don't know.
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JJ Redick
Do you have nights like this happened to me a lot. And you have to learn to deal with it and, and get it done anyways, where you just feel like heavy legs.
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LeBron James
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Absolutely. Or, you know, you wake up and you're headed to the arena and you.
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JJ Redick
Like, yeah, I don't know.
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LeBron James
It's not gonna be tonight.
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JJ Redick
Yeah, I don't know if I can do it tonight.
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LeBron James
You know, we just. I had that feeling right after the break. We shit the bed versus Charlotte right after the break. Back to back in Portland, you know, we didn't get to our hotel until 3 o'clock in the morning and we had a back to back versus Portland. They had won nine of their last 11, and I think the two games they lost to was versus Denver. I think they was 11 and 11 and two over their last 13. So they had been playing good ball. Chauncey had them playing great ball, great ball. And you know, I woke up to get treatment at like 11:00, you know, I didn't go to sleep till 4 or 5:00 in the morning. So I set my alarm for 10:30.
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JJ Redick
I was like, okay, is that always hard for you?
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LeBron James
You get off a flight, even at home, it's always hard to sleep the night after a game.
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JJ Redick
So do you ever go on the road after a game, you fall asleep? That last 10 minutes of the flight, you can't fall asleep for like three, four hours.
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LeBron James
It just killed me on the way back from Denver.
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JJ Redick
I hate, I hate that.
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LeBron James
It was the worst. It killed me on the way back from Denver. Oh my goodness. It killed me on the way back from Denver. You know, so we're in Portland and you know, I get my rehab, my treatment. I was like, okay, this is the. I have to get my body moving. You know, I can't wait till seven at night, I gotta get my body moving. I get the treatment and rehab. I get in there and I get done around like 12:30, 1:00. And usually I catch the first bus, which is usually three and a half hours before the game. So 7 o'clock game is like a 3:30 bus.
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JJ Redick
I gotta hear about that later. The thought on that, but go on, keep going.
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LeBron James
I get into bed at 1:00, I set my alarm for 2:30, it goes off. My body basically says there's no way you get out of this bed yet. So I reset my clock again for the next bus. Supposed to be at 4 body again. Long story short, I end up catching the last bus at 5 o'clock. Like I couldn't, my body would not let me get out of bed. I needed to rest till 4, like 4:15. I finally got out of the bed, caught the 5:00 bus, didn't shoot pre game, got in, did some stretching, you know, did a little activation in the locker room, got ready to play and I was like, tonight ain't gonna be tonight, man. I scored 40.
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JJ Redick
You've been there before, you've been there before. You don't panic.
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LeBron James
I didn't panic at all.
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JJ Redick
You don't quit. You're like, it might not be the night.
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LeBron James
Let me adapt, but let me see.
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JJ Redick
Before you know it, the crowd keep.
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LeBron James
Going, start going, the motor gets going. You know, I always say like I'm like a 1965 Chevy Capri. So I just needed a little bit of time on the highway. Time to rev it up, rev it up, get a little smoke out of the engine. Yeah. And then I was ready to go.
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JJ Redick
But it's interesting because I think, like the common fan and even maybe a lot of players, you know, nowadays we have all the bells and whistles for recovery, right?
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LeBron James
Yeah, for sure.
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JJ Redick
Massage, compression, hot, cold.
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LeBron James
Yeah, hot, cold, hyperbaric. Yep.
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JJ Redick
95% of your recovery, 99% is sleep.
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LeBron James
Is sleep.
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JJ Redick
It's by far the greatest.
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LeBron James
I said it after the game. They asked me how. I said I just slept as much as I could.
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JJ Redick
That's it. And that's the thing. Like, that's gotta be a habit if you want to be successful, if you want to prevent injury, you want to be able to say, I don't have it tonight, but I'll give myself a chance. I get 40. Right. But that's a part of the discipline of sleeping and staying, you know? Cause a lot of times, you know, like, we travel. This is for the fans, right? Travel. You get in and out late nights, planes, different cities, time zones. The cumulative effect of the season. Not complaining. It's amazing.
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LeBron James
Yeah, for sure.
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JJ Redick
But like, your clock is a mess, like, trying, like, that's why, like, I wasn't a great sleeper. So I had to nap like every day. Like, really for the days when I wasn't gonna sleep. Right. And it's cumulative sleep. Like you have a bank account where I sleep works.
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LeBron James
Absolutely.
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JJ Redick
Right, Absolutely. So, like, if you're trying to get eight to nine a day, like, sometimes you're gonna get five or six and how are you gonna make up the deficit? Right? So napping, the discipline to go to bed early, all those things are so important.
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LeBron James
My wife, literally, she's the best ever. She gets mad at me when it's time for me to go to bed. That's how much I love sleep and take care of my body. Like, like, bam. But about 9:00 at night, I'm like, oh, what time you going to bed? She's like, you going to sleep? Yeah, yeah, I am going to be.
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JJ Redick
Do you like, preempt it with like, you wanna hang a little tonight? Because if you wanna like, get dinner, like, have a glass of wine, better do it at like 5:36. That's my household too.
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LeBron James
Yeah, absolutely.
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JJ Redick
But I'm interested in how you've done this throughout the years. And so maybe I was thinking we can start like, with how the calendar looks for you. So, like, if you don't mind, like, the season ends, okay, let's start now. It's a new season. So that's our January 1st as basketball players, in a way, is like, when the season ends. How is your approach to the off season? And especially those first three, four weeks?
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LeBron James
Yeah, those first three or four weeks is literally, I try to get away from actually me playing basketball. Am I away from the game? Absolutely not. I'm either I'm watching the game or I'm in the gym with my boys and I'm watching them prepare and playing either if they're in tournaments, whatever the case may be. But me personally, I try to give myself, especially at this point in my career, an opportunity for all the little nicks and crannies and bruises, whatever, to give itself to recovery. And. And obviously, I've learned over the years that, you know, Me Recovering at 40 is totally different in off season than me recovering at 25. You just don't. You don't recover as fast. So I try to take, like a month, maybe a month and a half off from, like, really, like, grinding on the basketball court. But what I am doing, yes, you know, I'm doing yoga and Pilates and stretching and, you know, and, you know, massaging and, you know, cupping and all those things that try to help, you know, rejuvenate my body to win. It's time without. No wear and tear. You know, if I'm running, if I'm running, try to run in one of the, like the. The ultra G, you know, treadmill, where you can lessen the load, or doing more pool workouts where you lessen the load on your limbs and joints and things of that nature. So that's what kind of like my first six to eight weeks look like, you know, after the season, you know. Cause I'm still traveling, you know, with the kids and with the family. So, you know, obviously that's information when. Anytime you get up in the air, but, you know, I'm able to kind of take care of my body then for those first six to eight weeks.
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JJ Redick
But I think it's an important point. Like, and I think you'll agree, like, I didn't believe in taking much time.
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LeBron James
Off, off, especially as you get older.
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JJ Redick
When you get older, you stop moving, you might not get a diet. So, like, continuing to do, like, the bits and bobs and having the regenerative effect, but still moving the synovial fluid.
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LeBron James
No, you're right, because if you completely just shut down and do nothing, then you won't do nothing. You Won't do nothing. You start getting comfortable with it. You're like, I don't like this feeling, but I don't.
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JJ Redick
It's like the principle that the body's an adaptive system, so we do what we teach it. Right. So if you run, you become someone that can just run. If you sit on the couch and do nothing, you're someone that's adapted now to doing nothing. So when you ask yourself to do something like this is dangerous, like, you know, for what we're trying to do, you know, get out back out on the court and running around, things fall off. Right. So it's really important, I think, to, like, it's like almost active recovery movement. I'm interested that you felt that way too. But then the mental side, too. Right. Like, getting a little bit of space from the game, the grind. Right. So that when you do four, six, seven weeks into the summer, get back at it, you're like, there's a little spark.
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LeBron James
Yeah.
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JJ Redick
Yeah. There's a little bit of excitement.
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LeBron James
Make you miss it a little bit. Yeah. And that's what you. I think once you get to Those, you know, plus 15 years in the NBA, you. You're always trying to find, you know, the little moments of inspiration. You know, it could be from anything. It could be just the inspiration for the midst of the love of the game.
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JJ Redick
Yeah.
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LeBron James
You know, you've taken. Taken time away from it, and I'll miss it. I want to get back to. Could be inspiration from, you know, your kids, you know, hanging around your kids, no matter what sport they're playing. It could be basketball, it could be soccer. It could be, you know, whatever they're playing. You just seeing the competitive juices, so you're like, okay, now I miss it. Or it could just be now it's time to click back in, you know, because you still feel like you still have more time. You still feel like I have more to give. Yeah.
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JJ Redick
And you want to be sharp.
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LeBron James
Yeah. You want to be sharp.
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JJ Redick
And, you know, usually the season doesn't end in a championship, so you have motivation for failure. Like, you want to be more prepared. So, like, giving yourself that space, it revs up that motivation, which is huge, Right?
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LeBron James
Absolutely.
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JJ Redick
You know, it's a little bit apart. I'm sure of your journey is like, you know, I try to tell this to young players, but, like, a coach could give us a workout. Here's what I want you guys to do. And like, you and I doing it can be totally different.
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LeBron James
Right.
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JJ Redick
I did it, but, like, you attacked it.
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LeBron James
Right?
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JJ Redick
Like you went after it like. So the approach, the habits that you have for how you work is so important and sometimes you need a little bit of space to say, I'm ready now. I got the spark that I'm. That my habits are coming back that I. Every day I'm competing in everything I do, whether it's the gym, it's mobility, stability, activation, recovery, like skip the cult. No, that's not me. I'm gonna do the every little step.
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LeBron James
Yep. And I think the best thing about it is like when it becomes just a way of life and it's not even about because you're an athlete, it's because it's a part of your life, you know, you may not all the time. I know when I'm done playing basketball, I won't be going to the, to the gym every day, working on my game anymore. But as far as training and still doing things for my body, Active recovery, mentally recovering mentally, you know, grounding, you know, things that I'm a still do, all the stuff that I've done besides the basketball portion, when it comes to my lifestyle will not change. You know, I fell in love with the hyperbaric chamber, the hot and cold tub, the plunges, the massages, the everything. The grounding, just going out and sitting in the grass and just, you know, just literally, literally just letting go, you know, and all of that stuff. So those things are a part of life now. And when you're able to incorporate the active life skills into now into a profession as well, it unlocks a lot.
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JJ Redick
Yeah, for sure.
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LeBron James
And sleeping, obviously, like you said, is most important.
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JJ Redick
They say in the habit. Science is like a part of forming a habit, is identifying with it. So like you now identify with this lifestyle, you identify with every spoke in the wheel of success. Right. So I'm a little bit like you in that. Like I can't sit still. Like my career is long gone now. I've been out of the game for 10, 11 years. I can't like sit still.
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LeBron James
You've been out how long?
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JJ Redick
40 when I retired. So yeah, I just turned 51, so.
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LeBron James
Are you kidding?
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JJ Redick
I'm coming up on, I think it's 14. So. Yeah, the 11 years. My last game was March of 14 staples. So.
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LeBron James
Oh my goodness, 11 games. It does not seem that long.
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JJ Redick
It feels that long to me now.
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LeBron James
I feel old as shit now.
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JJ Redick
Oh, you're the young man dunking on people.
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LeBron James
No, I feel so old. It's been 10 plus years since you played it. That's not all right.
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JJ Redick
Time flies.
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LeBron James
Wow. Time flies.
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JJ Redick
My daughters are in college, all that stuff.
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LeBron James
You look great, man. You said 51, freak.
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JJ Redick
Well, let's cheers to that.
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LeBron James
Yeah, cheers, man.
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JJ Redick
I get glimpses of myself in the mirror every once in a while and I'm like, oh.
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LeBron James
Oh, fuck no, man. You look fucking great. 51. I would have never guessed that.
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JJ Redick
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LeBron James
Yeah, right.
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JJ Redick
That part of the summer where it's like, hey, I gotta get my game sharp.
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LeBron James
Yeah. Yeah.
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JJ Redick
Are you at the place still where you still add or you just like get sharp again? Get sharp again.
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LeBron James
I'm a place where it's more just sharpening. Sharpening everything.
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JJ Redick
Right.
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LeBron James
You know, I have, you know. Yeah. I'm not in ad mode. You know, I feel like I've gotten to a point where what I bring to the game.
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JJ Redick
You're comfortable with the faculties.
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LeBron James
Yeah, I'm comfortable with the foundation of my game, but it's just all about sharpening. So if it was one summer where I felt like I didn't shoot the ball particularly well either in catch and shoot, then I spend a lot of time in catch and shoot. If it was a point in time where I feel like my post game wasn't as efficient I wanted to be, then I do that. If it was a point in time where I felt like my ball handling wasn't as good as I would like for it to be, I'm never going to be Steve Nash or Kyrie Irving when it comes to ball handling, but I can be myself. Then I work on that a little bit more. So yeah, it's just about sharpening the foundation in my game at this point.
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JJ Redick
But I bet you add experiences, right? Like where you're like, this situation. Maybe I should try something else. Does that process happen for you post season, summer?
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LeBron James
Really? For sure.
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JJ Redick
Next year. I need to exploit this situation in either a different way or exploit it more instead of giving this one away. I can double down here.
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LeBron James
You know what it comes from. Where's the game going? You know, I've been in the league and obviously, like you said, you know, you said your last game was in 2014. So that mean I was with you for 11 years competing or, you know, whatever the case may be, either in multiple uniforms. You're in. I was in multiple uniforms, but I've seen the game. When I came into the league, it was the two bigs. It was a pretty much one guy was handed a ball and then you had your two wings, you know, and probably up until about, you know, I guess, 2008, 2009, you start having more players handle the ball, you know, but you still kind of still had the same two bigs, you know, thing. And then you went into Phoenix and changed the whole two bigs. No. No one big. You know, I need one rim roller or one guy that can sprint down the floor, beat everybody down. If you're. If you're down there, you beat the big, kick it ahead to you. If not, you come, set the drag screen. We gonna spread the game out, you know, and we adapted that in Miami when Bosh became the five, you know, and, you know, we see what the game is now. And now today it's almost five out, Right. You know, five out. Everyone's shooting threes. So I think when it came to the off season, I always wanted to have the adaptability and the growth mindset to be able to change with the game where I was. I will still be productive no matter what the game called for.
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JJ Redick
Makes sense.
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LeBron James
And I think that's what. That's what we're looking at.
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JJ Redick
So not like you didn't have it in your package. It was just like, I need to bring out more of this.
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LeBron James
Yeah. What did the game calls for? Did the game calls for me to be more of a pick and roll player? Did the game calls for me to be a guy that slash or, you know. Yeah, slash more without the ball? You know, did the game cause for me to shoot me a few more threes? You know, that's where it is today. So, you know, you work on those aspects to where you're still Effective, you know, and you can still adapt and have a growth mindset with the game.
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JJ Redick
So when you're working out in the summer, you're getting back in the gym. How, how many days a week and how long are you in the gym with the ball?
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LeBron James
When I'm super locked in, I'm in there five days a week. Monday through Friday. Saturday is a recovery day where I do absolutely nothing. Sunday is more of a. Now starting to get the body work done and get my mind ready for the long week again. I try to on Saturday just kind of get away from it. Summertime, summertime, just get away from it, whatever it is. But five days a week I'm in there and it's usually like Monday is, Monday is usually the toughest day. You know, obviously you're coming off the weekend, two day weekend. It's usually the most, you know, strenuous day. Tuesday is a lot of, like a lot of running, but a lot of just catching, shooting, getting your legs back under you. And then hump day is Wednesday, you know, hump day is Wednesday. And once you get over that Wednesday, the rest of the week is pretty right. You know, because that middle of the week is almost.
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JJ Redick
And the body's now caught up a little bit. You can get through it.
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LeBron James
Yeah. So, you know, I'm trying to go five days a week once I'm locked in for like the, for like eight to 10 weeks coming into the season.
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JJ Redick
And are you doing manual therapy, physio before every session?
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LeBron James
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting there diligently. I usually, I usually lift three days out of the week where I'm like in the weight room lifting and then the other two days I'm just doing like, you know, the.
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JJ Redick
Yeah.
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LeBron James
Ball work, band work. Just mobility stuff. Yeah, exactly.
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JJ Redick
That's one thing I think like is changed from the start of my career for sure. But probably started your career too to now is like, like it's it you have to, I believe you have to be religious with the mobility, stability stuff because the way our game's played, you know, and today it's even faster, guarding in more space, the travel. Like you have to stay on top of yourself.
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LeBron James
Yeah. Like, I mean when I came in and obviously when you came in everybody was like this.
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JJ Redick
Right, right, right.
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LeBron James
You know, it's like, who can lift the most weights, you know, who was the strongest? That's the only way you could play, you know, and that's the narrative with.
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JJ Redick
You know, thankfully for me it changed.
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LeBron James
Because I wasn't gonna outlive well, those, those motherfuckers that look like this realize they couldn't keep up with your ass, you know, that's why it changed. You helped change it, you know.
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JJ Redick
So, you know, I remember coming to the league and like being shocked at like how strong like Derek Harper was. Yeah, like, pick me up full court and like, you know, you grabbed.
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LeBron James
Oh yeah, that's where you could grab.
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JJ Redick
He just grabbed me by the hip and I was like, oh, I don't know if I can go anywhere. I was like, how am I gonna help break through this? You know? And so like you, of course you adapt, you learn. But like the games come so far from like you said, the two bigs, the clutching, grabbing, chucking, the handshaking up the court. Like, man, it was stodgy back in the day.
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LeBron James
Right, right. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
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JJ Redick
Absolutely. That's the thing. Like we'll get to this later in the series. But like the talk around sometimes, you know, some people aren't as happy with the way the game is. Like we need to help teach fans like how great the game is now. It's not going back to that. It's a lot of nostalgia. There's other factors. But the game is great and we need to teach people how to appreciate this.
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LeBron James
Yeah, we just need to, I think, have an appreciation and I think if our fans will really go back and watch some of those games, they will realize then maybe that's not something we would want to see on a night to night basis, you know, because the difference between our game now is that all of our games are on television every single day, either either nationally, locally or through league pass. So you can watch all of our games. In the 80s and the 90s you may be able to catch one game if you had it locally, if your team had a local broadcast deal, you could catch it. And if not, then you may not see a game for a long time. Unless, you know, like the N.B.
- [24:23]
JJ Redick
Nbc broadcast. NBC?
- [24:24]
LeBron James
Yeah, NBC broadcast maybe once every couple, you maybe catch one or two games, you know, every other week. So, you know, I think the nostalgia of the game, I think it's just a deeper conversation of why we should appreciate and celebrate our game of basketball today. Our athletes of today, just like, you know, the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s guys were celebrated and 2,000 guys were celebrated. So it's definitely a conversation we get to later.
- [24:54]
JJ Redick
I'm excited about that for sure. But how about this? When, at what point in the summer are you like, I want to get in Game shape. And how do you. Is it like September, is it in training camp? You prep to get there in training? How do you do that?
- [25:05]
LeBron James
Well, I can. We both can tell everyone out there there's no way to get in game shape in the off season, right? No, but what you can do is get in the best optimal shape leading up to the. And then step before. Because nobody could come into training camp and say, I'm in game shape. It just doesn't happen. So, you know, I, I try to get into the best shape I could possibly be in leading into September. So, you know, when it gets to about, you know, after the first week of August, you know, you know, I start then to now start to like, push, you know, a little bit. I start ramping it up. I start ramping them up. So every, every week I ramp it up a little bit more. Ramp up the intensity, ramp up, you know, the, the conditioning portions. You know, I started knowing when I'm getting in better shape, when I need. When I don't need as many breaks for water.
- [26:01]
JJ Redick
Right.
- [26:02]
LeBron James
You know, that's kind of like my gauge, you know.
- [26:04]
JJ Redick
Okay, I'm fitter this week.
- [26:05]
LeBron James
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, like, if I'm. If I'm doing a 45 minute court workout and every five to seven minutes, you know, through that 45 minutes, I'm getting a drink of water, I'm like, okay, I gotta, I gotta get better. Okay, then, okay, the next week, it's like every three to five minutes, right? And then it's two to four minutes and then it's one to two minutes. And then it gets to a point where I've only needed one break in 45 minutes. That's when I know, like, okay, I'm in, I'm in really good. I'm in a really good pace.
- [26:29]
JJ Redick
And maybe you can explain through the stages of your career, but like, when do you start playing? And like what, like in your first third of your career, first seven years, how much did you.
- [26:39]
LeBron James
When did you start playing? Oh, playing 505.
- [26:41]
JJ Redick
Yeah.
- [26:42]
LeBron James
Oh, I used to play. I mean, I. Probably my first. Wow. Probably my first 12, 14 years. I played all through the summer.
- [26:54]
JJ Redick
I mean, because you loved who?
- [26:55]
LeBron James
I just loved who? Like, I used to play out. I used to play outdoors. Like, I played outdoor basketball as a pro. I had no idea how bad that was for me. But I was like, how you say that? I fucking love ball. Like, me and my friend, I go back home in the summertime, you know, you know, back in Akron. So obviously I Played for the Cavs. But I would be back in Akron. Me and my best friends, they come back from college, we'd get a group of. We'd be playing outside.
- [27:18]
JJ Redick
Playing outside like.
- [27:19]
LeBron James
Like it was nothing. The sun is beaming off the. Off the top.
- [27:23]
JJ Redick
Yeah. It's funny you say that. Like, when I was at, like, my prime in my career, like, even, like, first three, four years in Phoenix in the summer, go to the facility, you know, do all your work, play, whatever. I always wanted to shoot again.
- [27:34]
LeBron James
Yeah.
- [27:35]
JJ Redick
So I always tried to shoot again. Like, just how efficient can I be? So in Phoenix, 110, 115 degrees, I would go to the park, sometimes the driveway, but I would go to, like, a random park because no one's going.
- [27:45]
LeBron James
To be there, right.
- [27:46]
JJ Redick
And I go, yeah, right back down the ipod. You know what I mean? And, like, make 200 shots. No rebounder. Just out there because I get my own rebounds, conditioning.
- [27:55]
LeBron James
It's hot.
- [27:56]
JJ Redick
It's funny you said that. Like, did you ever have, like. Was it, like, fans showing up when you're playing in the park?
- [28:01]
LeBron James
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
- [28:02]
JJ Redick
So you had to kind of, like, be smart about it.
- [28:03]
LeBron James
Yeah, we had to be smart about it. Yeah, for sure. We had to be very smart about it. And then I got very smart and kind of built a little full court outdoor court at my house in Akron, and I would have. Literally, I would have teammates come over, you know, and my best friends, and we have runs in the backyard, like, on the blacktop. Yeah.
- [28:20]
JJ Redick
That's amazing.
- [28:20]
LeBron James
Yeah, it was.
- [28:21]
JJ Redick
That's great. Memories.
- [28:22]
LeBron James
Yeah.
- [28:22]
JJ Redick
And then, like, say, the last seven years, like, do you still play pickup before the season or do you, like, not.
- [28:27]
LeBron James
Not as much. No, not as much. You know, just the wear and tear. Yeah, just the wear and tear and the risk, you know, especially, like, if I do it early in the season, I mean, early in the off season, then I have the ability to kind of, if anything was to happen, I have the ability to recover. But then it's like, but my body's still recovering early in the summer. And then it gets to the point where, like, late August hits and I'm like, do I want to risk? You know, I've trained my body. I know where I'm at. I know I'm physically fit and ready to go into training camp. Do I really want to risk it? You know, so every now and then, you know, during the workouts, like, I play, you know, one on one, you know, or, you know, compete versus, you know, the coaches. That's there you know, get that kind of. Get some live reps with the coaches. Bump. They bump you off screens or they bump you into post or things of that nature. So. Yeah, but I haven't. I haven't played as much five on five over the last few years.
- [29:18]
JJ Redick
So that. That two, three, first two, three weeks of preseason is your time to adapt to the demands of playing, to feel the bumps and bruises, the soreness, get.
- [29:26]
LeBron James
The wind there, you know, from. From here, you know, from low back all the way down, you're. You're cooked.
- [29:32]
JJ Redick
Yep.
- [29:32]
LeBron James
Yeah, you're cooked.
- [29:33]
JJ Redick
Adaptation process you have to go through. There's no cheating it.
- [29:35]
LeBron James
Yeah.
- [29:36]
JJ Redick
No matter how fit you are, no matter how much running.
- [29:38]
LeBron James
Nope. Don't matter. That's when you know it's working. That's when you know it's working. When you're. When you can't feel anything from your. From here all the way down and you're like, oh, my God, I can't. Like, you're like, I hate getting out of shape. It's like, oh, but I wonder how people. Other people feel that hasn't done anything. So it's like, you know, you just sort of stay tapped in.
- [29:57]
JJ Redick
Yeah. I mean, you got to go through that because you can't do it 12 months of the year. Right. So you have to get out and get back in. You have to build up smart. Especially as you get in your 30s. Late 30s.
- [30:06]
LeBron James
Yeah, for sure. 40. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
- [30:08]
JJ Redick
Well, let's shift to the season then. Like, maybe. I'm always curious about this, and it's pretty common. I think fans probably know this now. Like they always say in the NBA, you gotta have a routine. Right. Cause you play so many games in different cities, different gyms, like patterns, sleep patterns, all that. So making sure you have a routine kind of just keeps you accountable. You're not, like, making it up as you go along. And it's definitely. For me, I would say, like, the top 20 guys in the league, like, 19 of them are, like, religious. Religious. If not 20, about their routine, about what shots they need, all the prep, recovery, diet, sleep, all this stuff. How do you approach. I'd love to start with a practice day and then a game day and show, like, what does your day look like? How do you manage it?
- [30:48]
LeBron James
Yeah, for sure. I mean, for a practice day, you know, if we're practicing at 11, I like to get to the facility, you know, around. Probably around 8, 8:30, you know, to start my work.
- [31:02]
JJ Redick
Breakfast at the facility, breakfast at home.
- [31:04]
LeBron James
Not until I don't eat until after practice.
- [31:06]
JJ Redick
After practice. So hydrate.
- [31:08]
LeBron James
So I'm hydrating. I have like, either like a green juice or some fruit or whatever the case may be. But I don't, I don't eat a full meal until I get back home after practice. And that's usually around like my first meal is usually around like 1:32 o'clock.
- [31:22]
JJ Redick
And by design or you just don't like eating before?
- [31:25]
LeBron James
By design.
- [31:25]
JJ Redick
By design. A little bit of a fasting.
- [31:28]
LeBron James
A little bit of fasting quality. Yeah, by design.
- [31:30]
JJ Redick
And are you taking supplements?
- [31:31]
LeBron James
Yeah.
- [31:32]
JJ Redick
Creatine?
- [31:33]
LeBron James
No. No creatine? No, Just natural everyday vitamins. Things like, things of that nature. Yeah, just a little protocol of vitamins. If I have anything after practice, I have like a fruit smoothie, you know, because I burnt so many calories or whatever. I have a fruit smoothie or some, like some overnight oats. Yep. So I get there and I usually get dressed and go to the weight room. I'm usually in the weight room for about 45 minutes.
- [31:59]
JJ Redick
Every day or different days?
- [32:01]
LeBron James
Different days, different days. If we had a couple days in between hand. I'll go to the weight room then and. Cause I like to lift on game day as well. So I'll go to the weight room and then I'll.
- [32:10]
JJ Redick
Your lifting schedule isn't predicated on game day, practice day. It's on the day like what have I done? I haven't lifted.
- [32:15]
LeBron James
What have I done? Yes, what have I done for this week? So say for instance for this week today we had a day off. So this morning was predicated on all rehabbing bodywork, things of that nature before I got here. So I didn't know strengthening, whatever the case may be. Tomorrow we have a game. I'll go in early and I'll get a lift in before. And then right after I lift I'll shoot, you know, early three, four hours, five hours before the game start. Because it's a back to back on Friday. I probably won't lift that day. It'll be more of a recovery work and then a little bit of shooting as well just to prep me for the game. So yeah, I have schedules depending on how the games are flowing throughout the season. That that's routine with the schedule.
- [33:04]
JJ Redick
And do you. But you go in the gym almost every day to do activation mobility stimuli every day. Non negotiable.
- [33:09]
LeBron James
Yeah, non ability stimulus.
- [33:10]
JJ Redick
And then like do you. And this is probably a little bit of a summer question, but in the season do you break it up into like a strength block Power day, you know, like, do you break it up and like, you know.
- [33:21]
LeBron James
No, I do a little bit of.
- [33:23]
JJ Redick
Total body type stuff.
- [33:24]
LeBron James
Maintenance, maintenance, total body.
- [33:26]
JJ Redick
In the summer, do you break it up? Like, do you?
- [33:27]
LeBron James
No, in the summer I break it up because the difference between like obviously you and no like and it. You like to break it up in the summer because you don't want to get like, you don't want to get stale. Three months of three months you're doing the same shit like you. So you definitely break it up on purpose so you don't get tired of the same routine.
- [33:44]
JJ Redick
Also, they can target in on a specific thing. Like today we're working on power, today we're working on strength, whatever it may be.
- [33:49]
LeBron James
Exactly. Like, so for like during the season, it's kind of the same. A little bit change it. But it's the same routine because it's a cadence, you know, my body is. I know my body is going to react well to it no matter what I'm doing. My body is formed and it knows exactly how it's gonna get the most out of it for those games, right?
- [34:06]
JJ Redick
And like the demands, you know, make it almost impossible to get gains anyway. So break it up too much. Like of course you have to touch on these things, but you can do that in a total body workout where you touch on it for maintenance rather than focus in on like plyometric stuff, you know, so that's interesting. And then game days, maybe give me the rundown on game or let me go back to practice things. What are your preferred recovery modules? Like do you massage, compression, hot and colds, hyperbaric, cryo, use them all.
- [34:34]
LeBron James
It could be all of those on a day, you know. And I try to maximize as much as I can. If it's a practice day, I try to get the massage in the cold tub, in the, you know, we have the Normatec legs, you know, to the compression unit, the ice bags. I try to get it all in, use them all plus a nap. You know, when I get home after practice. Most important, get a nap in, you know, when I wake up, you know, I'll either depending on how my body's feeling, I can, I have some things at home where I can put my foot in the foot bath, knees, everything. Just. I'm trying to maximize. How can I be to optimal shape and game ready for the next day? I'm always thinking about the next day.
- [35:17]
JJ Redick
You're obsessed. Yeah, I love it. You're obsessed.
- [35:20]
LeBron James
I love it.
- [35:20]
JJ Redick
I feel, I mean this is, you know, Kindred spirits in that way. Because you want to leave no stone unturned for a performance.
- [35:27]
LeBron James
Why? It's all there for us. It's all there for us. And, you know, I have the luxury of having unbelievable wife and help around the household to where they allow me to be able to use all my time while I'm playing the game. And listen, I know when I'm done playing the game, that time will be priority number one will be my wife. It'll be my wife, my kids. And I just thank them for allowing me to have me as priority number one while I've had this profession. They've allowed me to do that. And I know it's not always been like, great roses and it's been amazing, but they've allowed me to make myself priority number one in my profession of how I treat my body, how I. How I do things, how the hours that I put into it in order to be the best I can be. And I have to. It's only right I give that back when I'm done.
- [36:26]
JJ Redick
But it doesn't work otherwise.
- [36:27]
LeBron James
Right. Not if you want to be. Not if you want to be a mate. Not if you want to be great.
- [36:32]
JJ Redick
If you want to be great or you want to keep playing or you.
- [36:33]
LeBron James
Want to keep playing, you want to.
- [36:35]
JJ Redick
Extend your career beyond where you're supposed to play. You know, that balance, like how you handle the stability of home life. But you have to be selfish.
- [36:42]
LeBron James
Yeah.
- [36:43]
JJ Redick
Right. So. And the family has to understand, like, it's. I mean, selfish is the wrong word. You know, committed is the word. I'm committed to my craft, my career. But that family stability allows. Gives you a platform. Right. Where you're not worried. Like, we're good over here.
- [36:55]
LeBron James
Right, Right. Right.
- [36:56]
JJ Redick
I can go to work and do my thing.
- [36:57]
LeBron James
It definitely. It's work wonders, man. It's been amazing. I've definitely picked the right woman and that. And the kids have come along and they've accepted the fact of what I wanted to accomplish, and I've tried to just pour into them when I have the ability and do the things that I can as a father, but I've always wanted to be. I've always wanted to be as great as I could be. You know, I never knew what it was going to. I never knew what it looked like, but I knew my craft and I knew my passion for wanting to be great. You know, I didn't know what the end result was. And that goes back to what we first talked about when we first started. This was the Process. I knew I was in love with the process and I didn't know what I was gonna get out of. Out of the process. But all I've seen as I've grown up and when I've played the game of basketball, that when I fell in love with the process, rewards was at the end of the tunnel. And I've never worried about. It was never the other way around. It was never, the rewards are at the end of the tunnel. And then I worry about the process. It was always about the process.
- [38:06]
JJ Redick
Your reward was the process.
- [38:07]
LeBron James
My reward was the process.
- [38:08]
JJ Redick
Yeah. I mean, it's a great. Honestly, it's a great example. Your family.
- [38:12]
LeBron James
Yeah, yeah.
- [38:13]
JJ Redick
The way you've been able to manage both your family's helped you build a platform to strive for greatness constantly. And that's, that's just. I mean, that's. I think one of the greatest parts about your career is not like the Wikipedia page, right? It's like the way you've done it. Like, man, I've made thousands of mistakes. Have you made a couple? I don't know. Like, you've done so much so long in the spotlight. I love that example for people out there, for society, for kids. So that's kudos to you and your wonderful wife and family. And your kids represent your family incredibly well too. Let me ask you this. Game days, you're there so early. Like, this is year 22. You're there how many hours before the game?
- [38:56]
LeBron James
Five.
- [38:57]
JJ Redick
Five hours before the game. Like that type of. I mean, first of all, I think you're crazy. Like, you know, so first, like I wanted to be there an hour and 40 so that I could get there and be like, like total efficiency. What, so you, what is your frame of mind? Like, I want to be there all day, basically.
- [39:19]
LeBron James
I want to give myself the time to prepare. How I know I would like to prepare to get ready for match, you know. And what I do is all my time is no, there's no fat, there's no fuck around time. Once I get to the arena, you know, I get there five hours before. As soon as I get there, I put my workout gear on, I go right to the weight room. As soon as I leave the weight room, I go to the court, get a workout. As soon as I leave the court, I go get body work and make sure that my body's moving and doing those things with my body. As soon as that is done, I head in and put the Normatex and the ice and all that stuff on and recover from that as soon as that is done. Now I'm reading a scouting report like, and I'm, you know, tapping into that pretty much when that is done. Now JJ's coming into the locker room and he's addressing the team.
- [40:23]
JJ Redick
Yeah.
- [40:24]
LeBron James
And it's time to go. Like that is. And I have a. And I have a little meal in there too. I'm eating, I have a little meal, couple snacks there, within there. Obviously I want to keep the, you know, keep my nutrition going and I have to fuel the body because I know what I'm about to do out on the floor. But that, that time is occupied.
- [40:43]
JJ Redick
Intent and purpose.
- [40:44]
LeBron James
Yeah, yeah. See it like, it's all intent.
- [40:47]
JJ Redick
I had to get away.
- [40:48]
LeBron James
Yeah.
- [40:49]
JJ Redick
So I was the opposite. Like I wanted to be there and I had my thing, you know, like, go in right away. Bodywork activation. Shots taped.
- [40:58]
LeBron James
Yeah, go.
- [40:59]
JJ Redick
Coaches walking in. Like, I wanted to be like. Because, you know, we play so many games. Wasted energy. I think maybe that's one thing that I wasn't great at is that I would waste like that anxious performance energy if I was there too early. I want to save that.
- [41:11]
LeBron James
No, no, for sure. I can see that. I can see that. And I'm getting to the. I have not gotten there, obviously, because I'm still doing it. But there are times I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing?
- [41:21]
JJ Redick
Well, I'm glad you in Portland, you were like, let me hit the alarm again.
- [41:25]
LeBron James
I had no control over that. This body took over me. It was like, I'm not letting you out of this bed. But there, there are times, I mean, I can see for sure. I mean, I'm 40 years old. I've been in this thing for 22 years. So like, you know, I definitely feel and see it senses. Sometimes when I leave the house at like 1:00, the game's at 7:30 and I'm, you know, and I'm pulling up to the arena, pulling down in the tunnel at 2:15 in the afternoon for a 7:30 game. And I'm like, all right, let's get to work.
- [41:53]
JJ Redick
Incredible commitment. Okay, post game, like postgame, like, how dialed are you on nutrition? Are you like, are you like, I have a plan for nutrition at all times? Are you like 80% on my cheat mode? Like, how do you manage nutrition?
- [42:08]
LeBron James
Well, obviously, you know, being home in a way is different, but no, I'm pretty locked in on the nutrition side. You know, when it comes to what I put in my body is what I'm gonna get out of you know, and obviously you definitely have, you know, I definitely have cheat moles. Like I fucking love chocolate chip cookies and ice cream. And since I love ice cream, I have to get like the dairy free ice cream and the low fat, you know, the non gluten free cookies. Like I have to kind of cheat it that way.
- [42:38]
JJ Redick
Yeah, me too.
- [42:38]
LeBron James
But I love it. But I love it. That's like my vice. I love it. So, you know, you have to, you have to know like, you know, you.
- [42:45]
JJ Redick
Playing all these games, does your family think you're crazy for that? Like when I go in the fridge and get myself like a yogurt popsicle and my kids are like, that's disgusting.
- [42:54]
LeBron James
At this point they've accepted, accepted me for who I am. So yes, they, they. Early on there's literally, you could go in my freezer and there's like three different carts, cartons of ice cream in there. It's like the, oh, like when my daughter goes in there, she gets her vanilla bean ice cream is like extra creamery. I'll be looking at it like, damn, that looks so good. Oh my goodness, that's so good. And then mine over there is like, oh, you know, dairy free and no, all that stuff. I'm like, oh yeah, farm potato. Yeah, yeah, just give me that organic. But yeah, I'm, I'm pretty dialed in on and obviously, like I said, you know, the road and, and being home, you know, is, you know, it fluctuates a little bit. But you know, obviously, you know, the, you're, you're starting to, in order to be ready for the next game or the road, whatever it is, it starts right after the game ends and you sit down, you know, so I'm getting right to the ice and I'm getting right to nutrition and getting fluids back into me because I need to and start preparing for the next game. So it's funny, a lot of people like see me like walking off the court, you know, when there's like time left in the game, like no matter if it's a loss or a win, the reason I'm doing, I'm trying to get to the locker room so I.
- [44:05]
JJ Redick
Can start my clip from last night.
- [44:06]
LeBron James
Yeah, the game was a wrap.
- [44:09]
JJ Redick
Hungry.
- [44:09]
LeBron James
I gotta get to the locker room to start my process to get ready for the next game. So I'll be sitting in the locker room, foot on an ice bag, ice bags on. I got my smoothie and my fruit and I'm already getting to it right now.
- [44:22]
JJ Redick
So like that's amazing. Like People will probably see you leave the court and be like, no, damn, yo.
- [44:28]
LeBron James
They had to. It was funny when I, during a loss, they was like, oh, he's a poor sport. Like, he's leaving the court at a loss. And then they start seeing me do it during the wins. They was like, huh?
- [44:38]
JJ Redick
Well, he's no sportsmanship, but that's a great thing for fans to like. That's how dialed you are in. Your process is like, I cannot wait for the next step in the process. You're not sitting there ready to like, chest bump at the buzzer, like, let me get in this tub.
- [44:54]
LeBron James
Let's get this done. Let's get going.
- [44:56]
JJ Redick
That's amazing. I mean, I appreciate it. I was someone that tried to always look for every advantage. You know, I probably wasn't going to beat anyone in a race, the jumping contest, the lifting, you know, So I always look for, like, to learn to learn. So, like, the amount of time, resources, commitment you've put into your body, your craft, I think is an incredible example.
- [45:18]
LeBron James
I mean, listen from outside looking in, and like we said, we never had any conversations about it, but what you was able to do with your career, like you said, you wasn't the fastest, you weren't the strongest, you wasn't the tallest, and you sitting with two MVP trophies, you know, and being able to transcend a game of basketball, like what you did, you know, in Phoenix with Dantoni and those guys, you guys brought a level of expertise to the game that's still now being played. You know, the get the ball up, like right away, you know, like we're not wasting no time, you know, and being able to play with the. With the past being infectious things of that nature, and you being a catapult to that because of your level of commitment to your craft, I don't think that's talked about enough in our sport, you know, what's talked about is how high you can jump, how far you can shoot, you know, all these other. How strong you are. But I think what gets overlooked is the level of commitment to one's craft. And that is why you're able to succeed, you know, because we've seen it in sports. We've seen the strongest guys don't make it. We've seen the most athletic guys don't make it. We've seen the guys with the best looking shot don't make it. We've seen the guys with the greatest handles don't make it. What is it that separates? What is it that separates? Obviously, opportunity sometimes has Something to do with it. Obviously circumstances have something to do with it, but there's something about the level of the process when it comes to your craft.
- [46:54]
JJ Redick
Right.
- [46:55]
LeBron James
And I don't think that's ever talked about enough, you know, when it comes to our sport.
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JJ Redick
That's an interesting topic, actually, like, or sports in general. Yeah. What are the non negotiables? Like what are the themes of greatness? Like, you know, like you said it, just because you're the biggest, strongest, fastest, doesn't make you great. Right. Like it's. To me, it's kind of like resilience, like intelligence, you know, like these are the characteristics, like discipline.
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LeBron James
Yeah, discipline.
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JJ Redick
If you have the discipline to work on your craft, to get better every day, to always have a growth mindset, you know, if you are able to read and react, able to learn on the fly, you know, you can go places like it doesn't matter how big. And so that's the beauty of this finding the process, like sticking with it, hitting plateaus, not giving up and not.
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LeBron James
Having all the answers or not thinking, you know, all the damn answers.
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JJ Redick
Right.
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LeBron James
Being able to have that growth mindset, you know, even though you may be great now, how do you know it's going to be sustainable five years from now or ten years from now? How can you continue to reinvent yourself to the point where like, you know, it gets to the point where it wasn't. Your career didn't end 10 years ago because you gave up on the commitment of the process.
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JJ Redick
Yeah. Wheels fell off.
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LeBron James
And by the way, control what you consume, control.
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JJ Redick
That's it. Right.
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LeBron James
And you can't control that. But by the way, you sleep better at night, you're like, fuck, you know, I had more to give. I know I was committed to the craft. But that's something that you can't control. That's something certain people can't control. And that's okay. Yeah, but how can you sleep better at night when you know that you've cheated the process or you didn't give everything that you had when you had all the opportunities to, you know that that's the thing that I knew for sure that I did not want to be a part of that conversation because I knew I had the gifts. I saw I had the gifts, I knew I had the gifts. People were saying I had the gifts. I mean, I guess they know something, something has to be going. Right. But in order for me to actually fulfill my commitment and my gifts and fulfill what I think I can become, I have to be able to Tap into the process and lock in on that.
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JJ Redick
Well, I think that's an amazing message, a great place to stop. And if you listen to the last 45 minutes, I think there's no doubt that you maximized your gifts. As prodigious as your gifts have been, as early as you were touted as a great, there's a long way from start to finish. And I think your process is what got you there, not your gifts. And so that's a great message and a great example for a lot of people out there in sport without sport, all that. So I appreciate it. It was fun to hear about it.
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LeBron James
I appreciate you.
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JJ Redick
We got it. What do we got? Another nine sit downs. So.
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LeBron James
Hey, it's gonna be great.
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JJ Redick
You know what I wanted to ask though is like you need to bake into your day. Fuck around time. It's just by design, not because you.
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LeBron James
Don'T have a plan, right?
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JJ Redick
So I wanted to ask, like, what is it? Is it reality shows?
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LeBron James
Madden.
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JJ Redick
I was going to say it was mad. Thanks for watching Mind the Game. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe for more content.