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Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel
Aviva Drescher, Bad Bunny & Real Housewives | Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel #357
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C
I'm so happy to see you too. We go back.
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B
I know. We really do. So what people don't realize is that I think we originally met in New York City because our daughters went to school together. Your daughter's a year above mine and I think they had some sort of after school thing together. I can't even really remember, but that's when I first remember meeting you was through school. I mean, obviously through Harry, but through school.
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C
Yeah, yeah. I think the first time was through school and then the next time was through Harry.
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B
Right, okay. Obviously. So we have that connection, which we'll get to later. It's been quite a week in the world of the housewives, so I just kind of want to talk about that for a second so we can move on from that conversation. Obviously, one of the top stories in pop culture this week. Let's. I mean, obviously a lot of other shit was going on, but Jill Zarin has Been all over the news. She's someone that you and I both know very well. So I think it's, you know, we need to, like, address it for a second. For people who don't know who have been living under a rock. She made some comments during the halftime show about Bad Bunny and viewers quickly, you know, she got very swift backlash. Viewers called her tone deaf, ignorant, racist, all sorts of things. And very quickly, she was fired by the e. Company, Blink 49, who was putting on the reunion show called the Golden Life. So where do you stand with all of this? I mean, it's really hard because we know her as a person, and a lot of people don't know her as a person. So what are your thoughts on this whole thing?
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C
Well, I think it's. The whole thing has just sort of rocked my world, to be honest. I know Jill since 2011, and she's been coming to me for a couple of years to do different kinds of shows, and none of them really came to fruition. And she came to me for this one. It's really this show, this reboot in Florida is really like. She created this show with a producer, and she brought the girls together. And so just watching the whole thing happen so fast. Like, one minute she's getting the girls together and she's putting a fun show together, you know, the Golden Girls sort of remake, if you will, where we are now. And the next minute, you know, she's announcing, you know, this great new show, and then the next minute she's fired from the show and she's, you know, headline news. Yeah. So that was just shocking to start with. That personally, I sort of felt a little involved because she had been calling me about this show since last spring. And then she called me again with a producer in November, and I was, you know, I was not the follow through didn't happen. I'm always like the redheaded stepchild raising in housewife land, but I'm okay with that. And, you know, and then she, you know, spoke very, very out of turn. And then the next thing you know, she was fired. So what do I think about it? Well, I was thinking about doing the show. I hadn't gotten far enough in the process to, you know, commit or not commit, you know, but I would never think about doing a show where. With somebody who I thought was racist.
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B
Right.
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C
And I've known Jill since 2011, since I joined Housewives. Even though we didn't work together, we became friendly right away. And I have never seen Jill. I've never thought of Jill to be racist. And that was really the thing that stung, that was just the most awful about her tirade was, you know, that comment about how there were no white people in the show? And that was just the kicker. And I think it was just a completely stupid comment. I don't think it came from, like, a hateful place. I just. I don't. I think it was completely stupid. It came off as completely racist, but I don't think she's racist. And I understand what. What had to be done. I'm sure that sponsors were calling in and concerned. There was a lot of online hate and fallout. But I think it just. It made me sort of sit back and think to myself, okay, well, this is a cautionary tale. Keep your mouth shut. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. And personally, I loved the show. I thought it was really fun. I thought it was a great show. But that doesn't matter. You can love the show, you can hate the show, but you just can't say racist things against anybody. There's no tolerance for that, certainly by me and by anybody. And I think that. It's a good thing that people won't tolerate racism. It should be equal across the board. There shouldn't be racism against anyone's religion, race, or anything. I always taught my kids that skin color is the same thing as hair color and eye color. And just like you don't treat someone differently because they have brown eyes or blue eyes or blonde hair or brown hair. Same thing for skin color. Right. And what's happened historically is, you know, terrible, terrible. And we have a responsibility today to be extra sensitive to fix that. Yeah. And in that way, it was a stupid thing to say.
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B
Right. So I think you couldn't have said it any better. I don't think anyone's actually said it as eloquently as you. I agree with a hundred percent with what you said. I couldn't even repeat what. How I feel. Because it is so hard in your head to make sense of it. And you made sense of it really well. It's hard as someone who's known her that I've never seen that side of her. And so it was hard to watch that and hear it and see the fallout knowing that I don't think it came out of a place of really being, you know, thinking that. I think it just. The wording was terrible. It was stupid to say. And, you know, the fallout has been something that I've, you know, I've taken it really personally because A similar situation happened to me, right. Where the whole world turned on me. So I know that feeling. So I've been dealing with Jill in the aftermath, and I think maybe you've been in touch with her or you tried to. I know, but, you know, it's been very difficult as imagine anyone. I mean, let's put aside the fact that now she lost a job. That. Correct. She's been working on this for ages. Right. She has been trying to get back on tv. And as we both know, she's the one that came up with this idea, brought it to Blink 49, got them to work on it. She picked the cast. You were someone she was talking to. She was also talking to me. I spoke to the same producers with her a couple months ago, and she was talking to me about being on the cast. Because they weren't gonna be all housewives. It was gonna be some housewives and some. Not originally. And obviously it didn't turn out that way. So I've seen it from the beginning and she was so into it. And, you know, it's a. It's a cautionary tale. And people are just things that you say, you gotta be very careful no matter what your platform. But there's no tolerance for racist remarks. And as. As that should be the case. Right. So, you know, I do worry about her, but I also. I have been in touch with her. I watch these. I see these articles, and it really is everywhere. And I do feel like it's a lot. Lot of it is herd mentality. Because you've heard a lot of people in the news also saying very similar comments which were just as bad, like Megan Kelly or there have been some other people. But I think the herd mentality has really jumped on this. And as someone in that seat that is really mentally. You know, it really makes you mentally unstable. Like, I wanted to check on her to make sure, like she was okay and not jumping off a bridge, you know, because you can't eat, you can't sleep. You don't know when it will end. You don't know if you should apologize or not, or say something or you don't even really have time to reflect and react because so much is coming at you and your own friends are turning on you. And if they're not turning on you, they just don't wanna talk to you. They've disappeared. Cause they think you're a bad look and they don't wanna be seen. And I think what happened was really interesting because the production company fired her so quickly. But I Think they really quickly realized she's bad for business. Right. I mean, this kind of is based on people wanting to come and watch. And again, we all know in Housewives, they love the toxic relationships and they love all that, but they're not gonna come and watch if it's something that really is affecting them, that they're personally triggered by, like, racism or, you know, any of these comments. So I think that's why it happened so quickly and swiftly. And, you know, that's just my thought on that.
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C
Yeah, I think you're right. I think that it's really interesting because I think that the world, America has become one giant reality show. So I remember when I started out doing reality television, this show, Roni, or all of the housewife shows, they thrive on aspirational stories and lifestyle. They thrive on, you know, they love rags to riches stories and comeback stories. But the biggest part is the drama. Yeah. So when I. When I started the show and there were two girls arguing, and I was just. I just started. I think it was Heather and Ramon. I remember the producer came to me and said, you know, pick a side.
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B
Pick a side.
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C
Because they want everybody involved in the drama. And since the beginning of time, people really are drawn to conflict. And that's why people love, you know, they watch it and they. They love to watch the Housewives, and they like to, you know, the girls will be arguing, and then everybody picks up, picks a side, and, you know, and then the audience then picks a side.
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B
Yeah, right.
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C
And everybody loves to, you know, hurl at the opposing side that they're not on. And I feel like this country is like that. Like the politicians and the red and the blue has become these two conflicted sides where people love to join a team and people love to attack everybody else on the other team. And it's just, you know, it's just Bethany, you know, sort of ranted yesterday about this whole problem how it's black.
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B
She is more white, and there's no in the middle, and there's a lack of conversation. And she made a good point. I mean, if I say something dumb, you say something dumb. It's like, I would rather somebody say, hey, that's dumb. Let me explain why and, like, learn from it. And it's my issue if I don't learn from it. Right. And yours and whoever's. But there's never the conversation anymore of, this is what I believe, and this is why I think what you said was wrong. It's just like, this person is awful, or, you know, or they're great and there's no in the middle and you have to pick a side. And it's. And it's really become absolutely terrible. It's ruined personal friendships and then it's ruining people's lives in a bigger scale because the media takes a hold of that narrative completely.
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C
And it's like, and it's like, if you. I'm like, afraid to say things. Like, I'm like, like, I feel like I, I'm like, I don't want anybody to know what my politics is about. Right. That's ridiculous.
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B
Right.
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C
That's ridiculous. Especially because I'm not, I'm not maga. And I'm also not woke. You know, it's just, it's absolutely. I, I mean, I like, you know, I basically go back and forth all day long between FOX and cnn and I like to get all different perspectives on everything and there's different issues where I feel different opinions on different outcomes and different ways to handle them. Right. And it's just this. It's the black and white worldview that everybody has and the piling on and the. Oh, you're, you're, you know, you're a maga. You're woke and I hate you. It's just insane. It's, it's, it's, it's, isn't it. Isn't that as bad as racism?
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B
I agree. I mean, is it not.
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C
Is it not liking someone because of their skin color? You know, I don't know up there with not liking someone because of what they believe in.
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B
Yeah. I mean, I think it's just as ignorant and it's.
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C
Or religion.
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B
Yeah. I mean, I think it's terrible. It's so divisive and it's just, it's made this country really hard to function in. I mean, I've become. I think you and I are similar. We're like recluses. Some a little bit like, you know, I have my little world and it's a lot of. Because of, you know, what I went through maybe, and I'll ask you in a bit, but, like, if it's because of what you went through being on the show. But a lot of it is, is because that external stuff and people thinking they know you and commenting on anything you say or wear or how you look when you're in public is a lot. Became a lot for me. So I like to interact with people that I know. And then, you know, at our age, I don't really bring new people in my world. You know, it's really hard and you're right. I go back and forth, I'm in the middle. But I also know what I think is right and wrong in terms of how people are treated. I don't like when people are made fun of or, you know, a lot of on both sides. There's a lot of that and it's I don't want that toxic arguing anymore. I mean, I feel like we grew up in that. That was like normal to see a lot. And especially you with the show you are on. But like, that's not what I want in my life. I don't want arguments all the time. It gives me so much anxiety. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. The new year doesn't require a new you, maybe just a less burdened you. I think a lot of us walk around carrying things we don't even realize we're holding onto. Fear, pressure, the need to be perfect. Doubt about whether we're doing enough or being enough. And sometimes what really helps is having an unbiased perspective. Someone whose role is to help you better understand your relationships, motivations and emotions so you can let go of what's weighing you down. BetterHelp makes it easy to get matched online with a qualified therapist. They work with fully licensed therapists in the US who follow a strict professional code of conduct. BetterHelp also does the matching work work for you. You answer a short questionnaire and they help connect you with someone who fits your needs. And if your first match isn't quite right, you can switch to another therapist anytime. With over 30,000 therapists and more than 5 million people served globally, BetterHelp has an average rating of 4.9 out of 5 for live sessions. Sign up and get 10% off@betterhelp.com that's B E T T E R H E L P and thanks for listening to Misunderstood with Rachel Yukatel.
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C
Yeah, it's terrible. It's really terrible. And again, I think that our society has just become one big reality show with everyone thriving on, on conflict and hating on people who are different. Yeah. I mean, hating on people who have a different point of view. What is that? You know? Yeah, it's, it's, it's so exaggerated. It's, it's just toxic. It's really toxic. And there's no room for, there's very little room for conversation. And I think part of it is the press because there isn't really any news anymore, there's only opinion channels. CNN is blue and Fox 5 is red. And it's like if you watch one, you know, you could long enough you'll really dislike the other side and vice versa.
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B
Right.
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C
And it just, I just think it's very toxic and they're, and they're, and.
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B
They'Re showing the most toxic clips that they choose. Right. So you can look at one and be horrified at what you're looking at and you can look at another and be just as horrified. So unless you're somebody who knows that and knows to think down the middle and you know, and really look at the facts like you get swayed one.
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C
Way or the other, you know. Yeah. And I was at, I was living in a blue state, New York for my whole life and then I moved to a red state. And you know, I, I think that intelligent people are people who have open minds. I don't think intelligent people are the ones who have the best schooling or who are so street smart or are quick witted. I mean all of those things are intelligence. But the most intelligent people in my opinion are the ones with open hearts and open minds. And when I came to Florida, to Miami, I thought, well, I guess we're going to the cowboy land. And the one thing I did was I listened to people. I have friends and family members who I don't agree with. My own father I often don't agree with and I have good friends that I don't agree with them on everything. And I listened and I listened and I do really understand different points of view now. I really understand and I don't think there's always solutions. I think it's terrible to go around and Kick people out of this country who have been here and separate people from their families. I think it's horrible. And I also think it's horrible that there are people here who are criminals and who are bringing drugs into our country. And, you know, I don't. I don't. I'm not, like, picking a side and hating one. It's like, what. What can we do to make this better for everybody?
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B
Right?
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C
Right. Like, what. What can we do to. To make it. To make it right? I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody wants, you know, drugs in our country and killing our. Our. Our. Our people. And I don't think anybody wants, you know, people who are in this country, you know, hardworking people, to be. To be. To be thrown out and separated from their families. I mean, it's heartbreaking, all of it.
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B
It really is.
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C
So anyway.
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B
And no, I agree with you. And, you know, speaking of intelligence, just listening to you speak, I forgot how smart you are. This is why you need to be back on television and you need to be seen again, because people really don't realize, like, you're really in tune with everything and very well spoken. I mean, I just. I really didn't know. So let's go back to a little lighter topic. Let's go back to the golden life. So as you said, you thought you might be part of it, and then I guess it got announced and were you kind of like, taken off guard? Like, wait, what happened?
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C
I was, I think that, you know, in typical housewife family, in typical housewife fashion, you know, all the girls, like, no one gave me, like, a real heads up. I was, like, talking to people and then. And I was like, you know, I spoke to this, the producer and for like an hour and a half on the phone about what was going on. And, you know, to be honest, it wasn't like, I'm gonna. I wasn't just like, oh, I'm gonna do this. I was, you know, I don't really think about whether I'm gonna do something like this until I have a contract in my hand.
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B
Of course.
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C
Yeah. Because I've learned that you just. There's no reason. And so I was just, like, talking to the producer for an hour and a half. And I spoke to Jill and I actually, I was asked to see if I could film in my building and in. You know, because I live on the beach. And so I was sort of seeing, can I film on the beach? And can we film here? And I was just sort of like, you know, getting the temperature of what. What was the situation here? And then. And then the next thing I know, it's on the news that the show is starting. And I was like, well, gee, I couldn't somebody have given me a little heads up, you know, like, hey, we decided to go with the OGs or with the girls who have, you know, bigger followers accounts or whatever. But, you know, I'm so used again, like I said, I'm very used to being the redheaded stepchild in reality television, and I'm very comfortable there.
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B
That's very funny.
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C
I'm. Okay, wait. It's more upsetting when my teen daughter is, like, screaming at me than that, obviously.
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B
Obviously. So what are your thoughts on the show in general? Like, do you think it will do well? Did they tell you much about, like, the storyline? Because for me, all I heard is, you know, that they're, you know, we obviously know three of the cast, I think, already live here. Three now, I think, are gonna rent down here, and it's just gonna be about them lunching or something. Like, what do you think about this storyline?
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C
Um, I think that those girls are all really, are really fun and great, and they have, you know, a fan base already, so I can't see how it wouldn't do well. And seeing them older now and sort of retired in Florida, I think it could be a really adorable, funny, fun show. And that actually was the appeal to me, and that was what was sort of pitched to me, that they were going to make it funny and not mean and not cutthroat. And I liked that aspect of it that I was drawn to.
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B
Do you think this group of women can get away with not being cutthroat to each other, though?
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C
I think you can. I think you can. But you need to have. Then you need to have a lot of humor, and you need to have other aspirational stories in there. I think that typically Housewives has just too much drama, but it's not the drama that producers want. What happens is, it's like you're like gladiators with tits in this arena. Okay. And you're all trying to sort of create the drama. And sometimes you get blindsided, and what happens is sometimes you hurt people and you don't mean to. Yeah. Like, you know, for example. I'll give you a great example. When I was filming my second season, I had a scene where I was making up with Ramona with a fight, and then we were talking and nobody really had any storylines. And storylines are really important for these shows. And I Was like, talking to her, and I was like, oh, yeah, you know, And Carol's being such a bitch. Like, I don't understand. And we were off camera, and she was like, really? What happened? And I was like, oh, about the book and this and that. And she said. And I was like, I don't understand why she's being so, you know, so, like, uppity about the book. She had a book writer. She had a ghost writer and all this. And then. And then Ramona was like, you need to bring this on air. This is great storyline. You have to bring it on air. And I was like, okay. And I wasn't really that close with Carol at that point. She had distanced herself from me for whatever reason, for stupid reasons, but anyway. And she's like, gotta bring in the storyline. So I was like, okay. But the point is that I had no idea that by saying that I heard that she had a ghostwriter would be so upsetting to her. Like, I thought she would just say, like, no, I didn't have a ghostwriter. Like, you know, who told you that? And maybe we, you know, duke it out for, you know, a little bit. And then she would say, I didn't. I say, okay, I believe you, and we're done.
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B
Right?
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C
But it ended up being this big thing. Cause she was really, really crushed by it and really upset. And then she wouldn't even speak to me. And the whole thing blew up. And, you know, it gets egged on by production. And I just think that. That, like, I think I played really dirty, but I didn't really mean to. And then she played dirty, and then she, like, attacked my husband in blogs and stuff. And it got, like, very dark. But did it end up.
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B
Did it end up that it was found out she did have a ghostwriter?
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C
You know, to the best of my knowledge, yes. And I certainly. I was accused left, right and center about, you know, making it up and lying. I don't lie. And I definitely heard that from my publisher at the time. And I would never just make something up, you know, but, like, who cares anyway?
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B
She could have handled it differently also.
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C
Who cares? And it just became very ugly. And the point is that that's how the show gets really ugly, is that there's, like, a lack of communication. People sort of get divided, and then everyone tries to conquer. And. And then you just have politics, which is the conflict of one girl versus another. Or, you know, team girl A versus team girl B.
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B
Right?
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C
And then you have the audience, the fans, you know, weighing in and attacking the side that they don't like or, you know, and it's just, it's toxic. It's like politics.
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B
Yeah, for sure.
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C
It's just the same. It's the same thing. And everyone loves it because it's like, you know, it's conflict and people love conflict.
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B
So I'd love for you to give the listeners some juice because, you know, all these girls. So let's go through this cast for a second. Just give us your two cents on whatever. You're the first thing that comes to mind, like how they'll do or how you think they'll be this season or whatever. So let's start with Sonya.
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C
I think that Sonja is TV gold. I think she, as a, as a person, she couldn't hurt a fly. She's such a nice person. She's funny, she's well meaning. And I think that she's always reality gold. She could carry the show with her eyes closed.
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B
Okay. Ramona.
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C
Ramona is just. You never know what you're going to get with Ramona. She's like a box of chocolates. And she's, she's very moody and I think it's like, you know, it's like, I think the audience has like a love hate with her. And sometimes it's like watching a car crash and sometimes, you know, she can be endearing, you know.
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B
Right. But people do like to watch it. Okay.
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C
Kelly just so beautiful and cool and chic. And I think before the Housewives, I think I saw a picture of Kelly carrying a Birkin bag and I think that's when I fell in love with a Birkin bag. Like her and Ellen McPherson both had the Birkin and I was like, oh, my God, I have to have one of those.
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B
Yes.
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C
She's just chic.
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B
She's always been chic, for sure. Do you think she'll do well this season? Like, do you think she'll do well on the show? Because I know she. She's a little quirky, right? I mean, she kind of stands out in a different way.
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C
Well, I've never worked with Kelly, but, you know, you need a balance too. So if you have like strong Ramona and kooky Sonya, maybe just a light hearted, you know, quirky. Kelly is perfect.
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B
That's.
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C
And that whole, that whole scary island with her is like, you know, these. There's nothing real about that about her either. She's a lovely, lovely person. She's normal, sweet. Right?
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B
Okay. Luann.
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C
Luann. I knew before the show ever, she's Luann's great. She's just, you know, she's another strong personality. She's cool, she's nice. She's level headed, you know, she'll do great. I mean, these are all great people for a show.
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B
Yeah. Luann, by the way, I think, is one of the ones who's aged really well. Like, we know some of them have, you know, done some enhancements. I think Ramona and Sonia have been vocal about the fact they got facelifts which look really good. I mean, I've seen them both in person. They look great. Luann, I don't ever think I've met in person, but all I can say is on screen, she looks fantastic. Like, she's a really beautiful woman.
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C
She looks even better in person. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And, you know, when I met her before the show ever, like in, you know, 2008, 2009, she was just beautiful. Yeah.
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B
And tall and, like, glamorous. Okay, Now, Dorinda, it's been said that she's just been announced she's joining the cast. People are saying it's to replace Jill. I heard she was joining the cast before this whole thing. Did you?
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C
Yeah, she definitely. She was already signed before the whole Jill fiasco. And I think she's obviously. I never worked with Dorinda. I had dinner with her once. I think she's super sweet. I think she looks like Princess Diana with a little more edge to her. I think she's really fun and really great tv and she has really soft skin, I'll tell you that. But I think they're great. And I was. That's the thing. The two things that I was drawn to, I was like, okay. When they came to me, I was like, okay, I like these girls. You know, I can. I can. You know, I like these girls. And I would be. I would, you know, I would be the only one that. That's married. But I'm on the show. Right. But, yeah, and I also have kids at home.
- [33:39]
B
Right.
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C
Nobody else has kids at home, but. So I thought that could be different, that would add something different to the show, that I do have kids at home and I am married and I like those girls. Like, you know, I don't. I don't know Bethany very well at all. We could talk about that in a minute. Okay. And I also, you know, I don't know if Carol and I could work together after all that bad blood. I don't know. But these girls, I mean, I adore them all. We share a bond, having done the show together. And I thought, okay, like, this is like. Like the door. The door wasn't. I wasn't slamming the door. Yeah, in this. In this one. And I'm in Florida. I live here full time.
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B
Right. For real. It's not like you're coming down here for a show.
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C
They all have. They. They're all here part time. Some of them are just gonna come and film. I actually. I moved here completely from New York.
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B
Yeah.
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C
With my family.
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B
So what are your thoughts? Well, first of all, have you talked to any of these girls since they. Since it was announced?
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C
I have. I have.
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B
And so are they like, we need you. We want you on. We want you to come to our events.
- [34:49]
C
One person. Yes, yes, yes, it was. We need. We need housewives. We need you. Right. We love you. And then, you know, there's just. There are budgets to think about and dynamics. And at the end of the day, it's up to production. Bethany made a post. I think Bethany's really bright and unfiltered, as we all know. And she did say something that I. She said two things about this show that I could not have agreed with more. One was that she has to protect her peace. And I feel the same way. I live on the water with my family. You know, I cook a lot of meals. I have dogs. I help people who, you know, are newly amputees. And all of that, you know, fills my heart with everything that I need. And so that's like the biggest thing. Like, you know, would doing a show like this, you know, disrupt my piece? You know, and especially if it's going to be one of these, you know, cutthroat, you know, crazy, crazy shit. And also.
- [35:57]
B
But you've been open about suffering from anxiety, right? I mean, so that goes with what you're saying. I mean, could it disrupt your peace, bring up this anxiety? Have you found that being off TV has helped with the anxiety? I mean, people still know you just as much. I mean, that fame, that Bravo, fame never goes away.
- [36:18]
C
Yeah. You know, it's not that being on TV or being with the girls that really makes me feel. Feel anxious, maybe that exacerbates my anxiety. But that's not really. That's not really it. It's more about just like. I mean, that's part of it, I guess. I take that back. It is part of it. It's like disrupting my piece. It's like, is the whole stress of filming and the dynamics of the drama. And, you know, you walk a very tight rope between, you know, keeping the friendships alive and keeping the drama alive. And keeping production happy and making sure that you can look in the mirror at the end of the day and all that. And that juggle could exacerbate someone's anxiety. I think it exacerbates everybody's anxiety. And then there's the audience, the fans who love you or hate you or both. And you have to have very thick skin to do this show. I do have pretty thick skin. And if I didn't, I got it from doing the show. And so I just have to think about protecting my peace again. I didn't get so far. I didn't get far enough down doing this show to really think about it seriously. But that I really understood what Bethany was saying about protecting her piece. And she also lives in Florida with her daughter, actually. And her daughter is a similar age to mine. And I totally get that. And I have to also, my kids are teens now. One of them is an adult. Two of them are teens. But, you know, Harrison and. And it's like, it's. When they're children, it doesn't really matter, but when they're teens and they don't like the way you breathe, everything matters. So it's just a lot to think about. And the other thing that Bethany said that I thought was really, really smart was that she would never go on as a friend. Now, I'm not Bethany. I don't pretend to be. She's up here, and I'm down here in the housewife land. And, you know, she. But she said that she wouldn't want to go on because as a friend. Because they pay you $5 and then they just use your footage as the.
- [38:36]
B
Yeah, they use your likeness and just wear the shit out of it for free. And everyone comes to watch for that snippet of time as a friend, right?
- [38:43]
C
I mean, like, they've milked my leg throw, my leg toss, like, you know, for 10 years, right. And I never got any residuals or anything for that. And so it's like the same thing. It's like I don't really see myself going on as a friend. And, you know, for $5, like, I just.
- [39:01]
B
Unless it works for you. Unless there's a trade off.
- [39:05]
C
Unless there was something I could leverage out of it. Yes. And, you know, I don't see that right now. And Reid was like, you know, because we do get invited to parties and stuff, you know, we're not big partiers. But he's like, well, we better make sure if we go to someone's party that we're not being mic'd up. Yeah, we better. You're right. We have to make sure. We better make sure we're not being mic'd up.
- [39:27]
B
Yeah, so funny.
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C
You know, so you know, that's basically the whole story about, you know, the show. And. We could talk about Bethany.
- [39:42]
B
Okay, let's talk about Bethany. So you never. You guys never overlapped on the show?
- [39:47]
C
No, no, but she. No, but Bethany definitely had a part in getting me on the show to start.
- [39:56]
B
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C
Rachel, Bethany and I have a mutual friend and his name is Jake Spitz.
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B
Oh, I know Jake. Yeah, yeah, I've known Jake for 30 years.
- [43:05]
C
Okay. I went to. I grew up with him. We went to Ethical Culture and fields in together.
- [43:09]
B
Oh, my gosh. And I went to Nightingale. So that's how I knew him.
- [43:13]
C
I didn't know you because.
- [43:15]
B
Because he was best friends with my boyfriend that I had when I was 13, Jason Strauss, who then I dated again in my 20s and later in my 30s. And Jake would come when we lived in Vegas. Cause Jason opened up Tao. So I've known him forever.
- [43:30]
C
Wow. You and I really. You and I really have a long history of overlapping.
- [43:34]
B
I know, very funny. But sorry, go ahead.
- [43:36]
C
Yeah. So anyway, so Jake. So that's how I. So that's how Jake came to me, you know, years ago and said, will you interview for the show? And I was like, definitely not. Those women are crazy. And he's like, just. I want them to know. Was that my husband?
- [43:49]
B
That's fine. How many years though, was the show out before you even talked to them?
- [43:54]
C
I think three or four.
- [43:57]
B
And it was a huge hit, right? It was a huge hit at the beginning. I mean, it's a long time ago. I kind of forget.
- [44:01]
C
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a huge hit. And they wanted to change up the cast, so they let go of Jill, Alex and Kelly and they hired me. Carol and Heather got it right. And Bethany was like, you gotta hire this girl. You know, she's got one leg, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Like, it was just, you know, Bethany. Bethany is. And that was it. The only, you know, I don't really know Bethany well at all. Like, she credits herself with getting Me, the show. And she once sort of attacked me on Twitter or something. She attacked me because she was on the show, like, her second round again. And I was just doing an interview, and they asked me about the alcohol and the toxicity and all that. And again, I don't lie. And I said the truth, which is that I was asked to do a scene with Ramona my second season, and we were supposed to make up. And the producer asked me to do a shot with Ramona, and I asked him if they could please fill the shot with water. Cause I didn't want to drink alcohol that night at all. And I was also taking on some antibiotics. And he said, no, you have to take a real shot. And I did feel, like, very pressured and very weird. But anyway, that's not the story. The story is that at the time, Bethany was on the show and she sort of attacked me on social media. And she said, you know, I take offense to this. You know, it's not true. I've never seen that. And only a few years later, she did have, like, some sort of reality reckoning where she was saying the inverse was true. So. And that's the only thing.
- [45:38]
B
And brought all these reality people with her to come down on Andy Cohen and all the production about the fact that they were abused or whatever with being made to drink and act out.
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C
Right, right, right. And I, you know, listen, I can only tell you my experience with, you know, one producer. That. One producer and that one scene, I can. I always said there's. There's alcohol around. But the girls, also, a lot of the girls really love to drink a lot. So, you know, I don't know if it's the girls or the production. What came first, chicken or the egg. But besides that one incident where she sort of attacked me and accused me of lying on social media, I agree with what she said about protecting her peace. I agree with what Bethany said about not going on as a friend and protecting your own business, whatever. As small or as big as that is. I mean, she's, you know, she's an incredible, incredible marketing genius, Bethany. And she's just this incredible fusion of authenticity and. And marketing. And she's fast, you know, she's like, really fast. So it's like, you know, where everything's so fast today, you don't. You don't.
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B
Yeah, she's not scared of anything. She doesn't filter herself. Like last night, she's getting out of the shower and she's going with the, you know, telling her version of something. And, you know, I think some people rubs them the wrong way, but, you know, this is her, and she is authentic, and you've got it. Whether or not you kind of like it or you don't, it's. I mean, she's authentic, and that says a lot.
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C
I actually loved her shower post. I thought it was great. I thought it was really great. I thought it was spot on. She said, you know, she. She was just unafraid and confident and, like, you know, because there's been this. This backlash about. Also, she posted a video, and then she took it down, and then she posted another video. She changed it. Her point about, you know, saying things wrong or saying things out of turn, making mistakes, saying things you may not mean, saying things that are off color. And for God's sakes, you know, let's stop killing each other. Let's bring each other up, you know, let's help each other out instead of like, gotcha, you know? And when you asked me to come on this show, I really appreciated that you were like, listen, there's no gotcha moment here. And, you know, in this climate, I really appreciated that. I really. I really trusted you. And I also think you're super smart and super kind and generous. And, you know, it's like, let's lift each other up. Let's all. We're all on the same team here. We're on this team called Life, you know?
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B
Yeah.
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C
And we're all on this team called America, you know, so we can either bring each other up or we can come together. And I don't. You know, I'm not that well versed in politics. I'm not that well versed in a lot of things, but I certainly fall into different opinions on different things.
- [48:39]
B
Let's talk a little bit more about you being on the show. So. So did you find that it was easy for you to get cast or you had to go through a number of different trials with them?
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C
No, I was. I was cast. I mean, I was interviewed once, and I was nine months pregnant with my daughter, and I. I absolutely did not want to do the show. I just was, like, you know, not interested in nursing on camera. And. And then the next year, they came to me. They just handed me. They handed me a contract.
- [49:10]
B
Now, let me ask, how did Harry come into the whole thing? Because, listen, I gotta tell you, as we both know, but Harry also lives down in Palm beach, and, you know, I've also had a long friendship with Harry, and I go to dinner with Harry or I'm out with Harry or even Walk by Harry. Harry is the biggest star of all the Bravo people. I feel like to this day. I mean, you can't walk two feet without somebody pushing me out of the way or throwing me a phone to take a picture of them together. Do you know what I mean? Really? Yes. It's insane. It's really insane.
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C
I know that.
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B
Yeah, he. And then people will say, oh, my God. You remember the episode here, Here? And Harry, he's so funny because he'll be like, ah, ha ha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when they walk away, he'll be like, I have no idea what they were talking about. I don't remember that scene at all. You know, so. But it's funny. He's very beloved, and he. He's a. He was a big part of the show. So did he come on after you? With you? What happened there?
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C
Production loved the fact that all the girls, you know, had a connection to Harry. I was married to Harry and, you know, we have a son together who's now 24. And some of the girls were friends with Harry. Some of the girls had slept with Harry. So they. They ate it all up. He came on. Gosh, he came on. Was he on when I was there? I think he came. I think he was on when I was on, and then he came on a lot more when I was off.
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B
Okay, so he remained after you?
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C
Yes, yes.
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B
Got it. Okay. So it wasn't that he. That you brought him on and then he had these relationships. These were relationships he already had and it was just coincidence. So he became part of the cast, kind of. I mean, a friend of whatever.
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C
Yes. Because Harry has relationships with all the women in New York City.
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B
Oh, my God.
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C
And now Palm Beach.
- [51:03]
B
Right? Well, that is true. Congratulations, Harry. But you gotta love him. I mean, they still talk about him. I'm sure he will probably be in some scenes from these. From this new show, wouldn't you think?
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C
I would definitely think he's going to be on the show. Yeah, definitely, Definitely. And I think that would be really cool. Oh, I think. Did we film. I think I filmed a scene with Harry and our son and Harrison. I think way back then. I don't remember. I don't know if it aired. I don't know if it got on the cutting room floor. I don't remember. But I do. I love Harry. Harry, like, is always the nicest person in any room that you walk into. And I just love him. He's like, you know, Reid. And I consider Reid considers Harry his brother. I think Harry and Reid speak More often than I speak to Harry. And it's really funny in this whole, like, merging family situation, because, like, sometimes Harry can't reach Harrison, sometimes Harry can't reach me. So he always calls Reid, and Reid always is available to talk to Harry. And, like, there are times where, like, you know, Harry and I are not as good as parents as Reid is. Harry and I have gone to Reid over the years and been like, what do we do?
- [52:20]
B
Oh, my God, that's great. Well, Reid is such a great, stable human being, so that's beyond an obvious person to go to. But that is so funny. And I love hearing that you and Harry are on good terms.
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C
Oh, completely. Like, Harry came over here around Christmas time with. With a girl, with a girlfriend. And. And that was. We all. We had a good time. Oh, God.
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B
Okay, so you mentioned before the scene where you threw your leg. Let's talk about that. Because it was an iconic scene. Was that planned? Because I will tell you, I just watched it again today to remind myself, and it looked like a very quick. I don't know if how that you just quickly said, you know, I'm as real, or this is the only fake thing on me, and threw it on the table. It was fantastic. But had you planned that?
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C
I did. I did plan it. I mean, I couldn't plan it 100%, but production, the girls had all gone to Montana. I didn't go. And they came back and production was like a. Viva Montana was so boring. They were like, it was so boring. And I was like, oh, no. And then they were, like, telling me that the girls are really mad that I didn't go. And I was like, okay. And I was like, what can we do? They were, like, asking me to create, you know, to make something, you know, fun because the season was so boring. So I sat with some of the members of production, and I was like, okay, okay, let's make sure there's a tablecloth on the table. And I don't know exactly what's going to happen, but if they. If they start to, you know, if they start to come at me, then maybe I'll, you know, maybe I'll. I'll take off my leg and make a big splash, you know, about that. And I'll, you know, try to get, you know, revved up.
- [54:13]
B
So did the argument that Heather started, was she. Was that real? Like, was that her real emotion? Or was she, like, egging you on or what was it? Because wasn't it Heather you were fighting with?
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C
I think so. I think so. I Think she probably was fighting with me. But, you know, I don't think that let me. I think she was like, you know, mad that I didn't go on the trip. I think that was about it. Or that I was lying about my health or something. Just, you know, if you step away for a second. Okay, if you have a group of friends and one person's not feeling well and they can't go on the trip, what other friends say to that person, you're a liar. You don't really feel well. They'd be like, oh, my God, feel better. You know, we'll bring you back, like, pictures, and we'll bring you back things from the gift shop. You know, no one's like, you're lying. Like, you're lying. And, you know, that's all production. That's all, let's make some drama. So Heather definitely, definitely wasn't really mad at me. She was also being prodded by production. I spoke to Heather, actually, last night. I love her. She's a sweetheart. I mean, she's just amazing. She gave me some really good tips about menopause too. So that was really helpful.
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B
Oh, well, you'll have to tell me too. Both of us, we were texting each other. I got your text at like 2:30 in the middle of the night. I text you at like 4:30. But by the way, I had read yours. Cause I was also up and I was like, let me think. Fell back asleep. Wrote you at 4:30. I mean, it's terrible, but that's a whole nother episode.
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C
You want me asking, how old are you?
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B
51.
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C
Okay, you know what? Enjoy it. Because every year it just is worse and worse and worse. Like, great, I'm 55. Oh, my God. Well, so that was. Yeah, the leg scene was planned. It was planned to, you know, make a splash and make entertainment. And I like to entertain people at my own expense. Like, I have no problem making fun of myself. I don't take myself too seriously. And that, to me, wasn't like such a big deal when as soon as it was done and the cameras went down, we were all like. Some of the people at the party were applauding and, you know, Heather and I were laughing, and it was just really funny and fun. And anybody who knows me knows that I don't whip off my leg and throw it across the table.
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B
Okay, I would hope not. But that's interesting because I think, you know, a lot of people wonder or I think they know now. I mean, a lot of this emotional escalation is part of the job. Right? I mean, did you see this as a job or you felt like you were being filmed for your life and this was gonna help you write a book or have a hair extension line? I mean, this was a job.
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C
It was a job 100% a job to. And I understood the assignment, which was to create drama and create storyline and to deliver. And it was almost like a tightrope of, you know, walking that job and surviving, because if you don't create drama and storyline, you're off, but yet, if you create too much storyline and too much drama, you're also off because you could become toxic. So it's like this really weird tightrope that you're walking and doing this show. You definitely want to do it more than one season. But also, it would be nice to get a hair extension line or get a shampoo commercial or whatever. And it's really hard as a housewife to get those things because you're always, you know, wrangled up in stupid drama, right?
- [57:35]
B
Yeah. And Bethany's been a good example of taking that and then making that her business as opposed to having to be on the show to make money, you know? And I guess Luann has her singing show or what, her cabaret that she created out of it. By the way, how's your dad? Your dad was a huge part of your storyline. People will want to know.
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C
Oh, so my dad is great. He's 90. He's in great shape. He's in perfect physical shape and perfect mental shape. He lives alone down the street from me here in Miami.
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B
Oh, no way.
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C
And he's. Is he dating 90 and he still is going out with young women.
- [58:13]
B
No way.
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C
Yeah.
- [58:14]
B
Oh, my God. Love him.
- [58:16]
C
Yeah, he's really funny. You know what? He would love you. You have to come over. You have to come for dinner. I will. Or I'll bring him when I come to Palm Beach. He's just. He's so. He's so. He and I completely disagree on almost everything. Oh, my God. You know, going back to the first example, you can, you know, love people and disagree with them.
- [58:32]
B
Right? Well, Blink 49 should be listening, because your dad should probably also make a cameo on the show. I think people would love that.
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C
You know, he was, like, either loved or hated. Like Harry. When my dad walks down the street, people want pictures with him Still. Yeah, still. It's crazy. People love my dad. I got. I mean, I got a lot of, like, you know, complaints about my dad online, understandably. He was so crude. I mean, I would Ask him before every scene. I would be like, please, please, just behave yourself.
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B
Right.
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C
And I swear, I think he almost just was, like, more raw just to get my goat. Oh, my gosh, it was awful.
- [59:13]
B
Anyway, he did a great job because he really owned who he is, though. You know what I mean? Like, he was his own character.
- [59:19]
C
Yeah, yeah. He's. He is in real life a real character. And he's really, really brilliant. He reads like, a book a day, and he always has. And, you know, my dad's dad was. Graduated from St. John's Law School when he was 18.
- [59:37]
B
Oh, wow.
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C
So there's like this real, like, lineage of intelligence that's going on on my dad's side. It's really. It's really amazing. So my dad's really smart and he's just. But he's also, like, a wackadoo, you know? Like, he's just like. He has. He has sometimes just no filter, you know?
- [59:54]
B
Right. But that's what makes him lovable to most.
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C
But he's like. And he loves Harry. He was here when Harry came over.
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B
Oh, good.
- [60:01]
C
He and Harry love each other. Good, good.
- [60:03]
B
Well, all right. So for people that are listening and are now obsessed with you again, if they had forgotten about you a little bit because you haven't been on screen, what's next for you? Like, what are you doing every day? Are you obsessed with Members Only, by the way, have you seen it? No.
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C
No, I. I haven't.
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B
Oh, my gosh. Do you watch reality TV at all?
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C
I don't watch reality because it's not fun for me.
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B
Right. Okay.
- [60:27]
C
I, like, all I see is the behind the scenes and the. And all that.
- [60:30]
B
Right. So we heard you like to cook.
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C
Sorry?
- [60:33]
B
You love to cook. And then, like, are you watching something every night or you don't have, like, your favorite shows with Reid?
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C
No. Yeah. So Reid and I, we watch a lot of scripted television.
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B
Okay.
- [60:42]
C
We just. We just finished Landman.
- [60:44]
B
Me too.
- [60:45]
C
Yeah, it was good. We watched. We just watched Nuremberg. That was really good. I don't know. We have. We've been. We're like. We're kind of like old. Like, we fall asleep at like, 9 o' clock and we're up at like, 4 or 5.
- [60:59]
B
You know, there's nothing better than finding a really good show.
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C
Yeah.
- [61:04]
B
Like, I have. We hadn't seen the Diplomat, and by the way, that's been out for years, I guess. But there's like 26 episodes and, like, two seasons, so that'll really take you a long time. But, like, I love things like that.
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C
Yeah, I did. I love Diplomat. I want to watch Masters of the Air. Have you seen that one?
- [61:20]
B
No, haven't even heard of it.
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C
It's supposed to be really good. Masters of the Air. Yeah. So, I mean, what am I? What am I? We moved to Miami in 2022, full time. We started during the pandemic and we live on the beach. We love. We just love it. It's like, very chill. I love cooking in my kitchen, overlooking the ocean. I cook a lot. I have two dogs and I have two kids at home, teenagers. And one of them is going to hear from colleges soon. So I'm only going to have one child in my house soon. That's when I'm going to really come and visit you.
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B
Right. Can't wait.
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C
And I continue to. The best thing that happened from the show for me, which happened more afterwards, was that people come to me a lot to get help with being an amputee. A new amputee. Yeah.
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B
That's gotta be amazing.
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C
And I've been an amputee since I'm a little girl, so it's very easy for me to pull people out of the depths of sadness and to let them know they're gonna be okay. So I do a lot of that. And they. The reason that people, you know, know of me to help them is because of the show. So for that, I'm like, forever. I'm just forever grateful because that's what I like to do. I like to help people.
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B
So is there like a charity or something that people, if they want to know more about that or they're listening and they want to meet you and ask you questions like, where would they find all that information?
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C
Oh, absolutely. So, you know, first of all, I'm really open on my Instagram account. I try to answer all the comments. So anybody can send me DMs or messages. I try to answer. I am answering them. It's not anybody else. There is an organization by a beautiful young woman who I counseled. Her name is Ali Truitt, and the organization is called Stronger than you Think. About two years ago, she had just graduated from. Do you know the story?
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B
No.
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C
It's unbelievable. She had just graduated from Yale. She was on the swim team, and she was on her way to Harvard with some fabulous job in between. On her way to Harvard Business School, she went to one of the islands, I forgot, Turks and Caicos. She went to Turks and Caicos. And she was snorkeling with her friend who was also had been on the swim team at Yale. So they were strong swimmers and the boat was far away from them and a shark was really aggressively attacking them and it took her leg.
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B
Wow.
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C
I know. And anyway, she came to me through Robert Vak from Shark Tank, and she's just like this young blonde girl from Connecticut.
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B
Now you're telling me this. I remember seeing it, I think. Was it in the paper or something? Yeah.
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C
So this girl, this girl who has a beautiful family too, this girl, a year later was participating in the Paralympics and won a medal for swimming. And she also started this organization of which I'm on the board of, called Stronger Than youn Think. And she raises money to help people learn how to swim because it's an important skill, but also for people who need prosthetic women, young women who need. Or women who need prosthetics. Insurance doesn't pay for prosthetics. They pay for the bare bones minimum. And it's so wrong because people need prosthetics to walk. The insurance companies have no problem paying for breast reconstruction. But a limb for swimming and a limb for skiing and a limb for walking and a limb for running. Nope. They only allow you one limb and it doesn't have any cosmetic skin over it. My prosthetics have this very sophisticated silicone skin on top, which always makes me feel prettier as opposed to looking down at just metal. And that's an out of pocket, huge expense, and I think that everyone is entitled to that, especially women who care about it just as much as women are entitled to have reconstructed breasts after cancer. So anyway, stronger than you think raises money and helps buy prosthetic limbs for women right now. And I'm on the board, so stronger than you think. It's on Instagram.
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B
We'll put it in the show notes to make sure that people will thank you.
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C
Any donation is not too small, and it's an incredible organization.
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B
Do they have fundraisers at all during the year?
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C
Say that one more time.
- [66:28]
B
Do they have fundraisers or anything during the year?
- [66:31]
C
They do. They do. They do. All right. Amazing.
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B
We'll put that in the website, everything in the show notes. But it was so good to connect with you. I cannot wait for you to come to Palm beach and have dinner with your friends, family, and you'll come here and Wyatt. Yeah. And. And, yeah, we can go there. I'm never in Miami. I feel like going to Miami is like going to, like, Texas. It's. I don't know. It. It's scary. It's. There's so much traffic. It's so complicated.
- [66:59]
C
It's true. It's true.
- [67:01]
B
So it is. It's intimidating.
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C
It's. I don't even really. That's funny. I don't really even like, go around Miami all that much. I'm just sort of like living on my little, you know, beach playground and I go to dinner here and there. But I totally get it. I totally get it. Yeah.
- [67:17]
B
So. And I. And I hope that we will see you on our screens soon as a friend of. As a cast member, whatever.
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C
But I think that there is one more thing. I'm talking with some. I am talking with some women. I'm not gonna say who they are, but you know what? I was thinking about doing a show. Starting creating just the way Jill created a show. I have some ideas to create a fabulous show.
- [67:44]
B
Amazing. Can you share anything with us or you want to keep it quiet?
- [67:48]
C
I'm going to keep it quiet for now.
- [67:50]
B
Okay. But I love you at least said that. Well, I wish you the best of luck with that. And I mean, there's room for everyone, right? And you are so smart and fabulous. So I think that people want to see you and I would be shocked that that wouldn't happen for you.
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C
Thank you. Thank you. It's so great talking to you.
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B
So great talking to you. So again, what's your Instagram that people can follow you?
- [68:14]
C
It's Aviva Drescher. Perfect.
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B
Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yukatel. Please be sure to subscribe to the show and give us up a thumbs five star rating and review. You can support the show by joining our patreon@patreon.com misunderstood with Rachel Ukatel. Do you have ideas for the show or want to reach out? Email us@infomisunderstoodpodcastmail.com that's spelled M I S S. Understood. Thank you so much and I'll see you next time.
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