Finding Susan Powter: Stop the Insanity and the Life That Followed

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Podcast Summary

Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

Episode: Finding Susan Powter: Stop the Insanity and the Life That Followed
Date: December 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this deeply engaging and raw episode, host Rachel Uchitel sits down with Susan Powter—legendary 90s fitness personality, author, and motivational speaker—whose “Stop the Insanity!” catchphrase made her a household name before her near-total disappearance from public life. Inspired by the new documentary, Finding Susan Powter, Rachel and Susan explore the rise and fall of Susan’s fame, the high cost of misplaced trust, her battles with shame and invisibility, the realities of starting over, and a powerful message about resilience, reinvention, and never truly being “done.” Susan’s startling candor, humor, and hard-earned wisdom make this an unforgettable portrait of what it means to lose everything and keep going.

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Major Themes & Key Discussion Points

1. Rise to Fame and the “Stop the Insanity” Era

• Susan recounts her humble beginnings: newly single, overweight, and financially stranded in Garland, Texas, she became a stripper to support her children and eventually opened a fitness studio.
  • “I was 260 pounds from the babies... I became a stripper. I stripped for years. Million Dollar Saloon, Lower Greenville. Oh yeah, Bernadette, I'm a fabulous stripper.” (24:18)
• Her distinctive look and energy drew media attention; national TV appearances inadvertently launched her fitness empire.
  • “He asked me one question. I completely ignored him. I looked straight through the camera and I was like, stop the insanity. I broke records.” (01:32)

2. Misplaced Trust, Betrayal, and Financial Ruin

• Susan describes being a single mother, juggling fame and motherhood, and trusting industry professionals to manage her growing fortune—a mistake that eventually led to her financial downfall.
  • “The mistake I made was that I assumed that the people, lawyers, accountants, managers, that they were doing the job I was paying them mightily for. That was a mistake.” (41:32)
• She ultimately fired her entire team after discovering financial mismanagement and began life anew with her children in Seattle.
  • “I fired everyone in one paragraph... took my 4 week old baby and I moved from LA to Seattle.” (41:37)

3. Dark Times: Poverty, Shame, Invisibility

• After her fall, Susan worked every job imaginable: waitressing, managing a café, delivering Uber Eats, even unloading mattresses.
  • “There isn't a job I haven't done... I think the worst, most humiliating one is I delivered mattresses once.” (88:57)
• She details the humiliation and heartbreak of going unrecognized, even scorned, by people who remembered her from her fame.
  • “The bus driver opened the door and laughed at me. She said, what are you doing getting on a bus? Are you pretending to ride the bus? I was like, no, I don't have a car. And she was like, but you're Susan Powter, right?” (19:58)
• Describes near-suicidal periods, deep sadness, and the fear of being a burden to her children.
  • “I came very close to not making it. We can't pretend people don't think about killing themselves.” (54:18)
  • Her trademark humor punctuates even the darkest stories: “Damn it, this is a hybrid car. It doesn't even produce enough carbon monoxide to kill me.” (54:52)

4. Motherhood, Identity, and Lessons Learned

• Susan’s relationship with her three sons, single parenting, and raising them with intention and discipline.
  • “I deliberately had another child at 40... to teach birth control to the 15 and 16 year old.” (10:49)
• She reflects on mistakes made, not as victimhood, but with acceptance and responsibility.
  • “I take full responsibility. I should have checked the bank accounts and I didn't.” (22:12)

5. The Search for Susan Powter: Documentary and Redemption

• Filmmaker Zebra Newman spent nine months tracking Susan down for the new documentary.
  • “Zebra Newman looked for me for nine months. He is the director of the film and a brilliant filmmaker.” (47:47)
• Jamie Lee Curtis became executive producer after a serendipitous phone call, helping launch the project.
  • “Jamie Lee Curtis called him and said, I want to know—is her being the same? Is she intact?... She wired money to produce the movie that day.” (64:15)
• Susan describes not watching the film herself and realizing the importance of her work only through others’ reactions.
  • “I've never seen the documentary. What do you mean? Never seen the movie. Never seen a monitor. Never.” (85:47)
  • “I almost missed... It was all out there, Susan. The work is respected. People do remember the work meant something.” (108:28)

6. Current Life: Simplicity, Integrity, and Hope

• Still works as an Uber Eats driver, lives simply, saves every dollar, with plans to live in a tiny RV on her own land surrounded by animals.
  • “Nothing has changed. But everything has changed... I have hope. I have really good people around me. My children are proud as hell. I have a movie that's number one.” (90:19)
• Fiercely independent: “I will never have a fancy car... If I do anything, I'm going to get a Volkswagen beetle redone... I'm going to buy land and have animals, not humans.” (63:45; 76:47)
• No desire to return to old trappings of fame or relationships for their own sake, but embracing passion in all forms—intellectual, romantic, or through food, art, and connection.

7. Fitness, Wellness, and Integrity in the Age of Ozempic

• Still fiercely believes in common-sense, accessible wellness over quick fixes (e.g., Ozempic), and decries targeting children with weight-loss drugs.
  • “What pisses me off is they're targeting the children... You're putting them on stomach paralysis drugs. That doesn't solve the problem.” (31:21)
• Emphasizes basics: eat, breathe, move, and think for holistic health.
  • “If you live in a human body, there are five things you have to do and I can tell you how you're gonna do them.” (31:20)

8. Being Misunderstood, and the Power of Redemption

• Susan reflects on how the world reduces loud, powerful women to “crazy,” and the most common misconception about her:
  • “That I'm not smart. That I'm just loud and crazy and nuts and in, pardon the pun, insane. That I'm not smart.” (109:43)
• On possibility and survival: “Hang the hell on. Because you don't know what is about to happen... The most revolutionary thing any human being can do is internal wellness. It's a power.” (105:47 - 106:35)

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Notable Quotes

• “I didn't go from Hollywood to Harbor Island. I worked jobs, I did whatever. I was fine. I'm not fancy. I don't need to be someone. I wasn't trying to be a personality. Not the first time and not the second time. That's why people respond. They're like, oh, she's normal as hell.”
  — Susan Powter (71:15)

• “Well, honey, when you can vibrate 35 times a second, give me a fucking call, okay?” (on being told she needs a good man)
  — Susan Powter (99:33)

• “I'm on the revenge train. I am. Oh, I'm on the revenge train. I mean, bitch better have my money. Rihanna 101. No. No. Hello. That's what I'm proud of. They thought I was long gone.”
  — Susan Powter (49:40)

• “I was mortified and humiliated... but being someone sometime, it's not harder. I'm never going to say that, but it's maybe a little more shocking. It's like, whoa... Everyone assumes I'm loaded, right?”
  — Susan Powter (19:58)

• “I hope we all take from this that we are on the verge of a comeback if we allow it to happen.”
  — Rachel Uchitel (pre-interview intro, 04:45)

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Timeline of Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment or Topic | |-----------|-----------------| | 01:30 | Iconic “Stop the Insanity” TV moment and early persona | | 09:21 | Motherhood and raising responsible sons alone | | 24:18 | Susan’s origins: Stripping, financial struggle, opening a studio | | 29:12 | Fitness philosophy: Slow burning, common-sense health | | 41:32 | Betrayal, financial loss, and firing her management | | 54:18 | Rock bottom, depression, close to suicide—and her humor about it | | 63:00+ | Meeting the filmmaker, Jamie Lee Curtis backs documentary | | 76:00 | On love, aging, living independently, moving to an RV | | 85:47 | On why Susan refuses to watch the documentary herself | | 90:20 | Present-day: Simple life, Uber Eats, hope, redemption | | 99:33 | Defiant, feminist wit about relationships and men | | 109:43 | The most misunderstood thing about Susan: “That I'm not smart.” |

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Memorable Moments

• Louis Anderson Opening the Door (57:08): Susan recounts delivering Uber Eats to comedian Louis Anderson, who recognized her but respected her situation: “He knew my pain. And I will never forget him for being respectful enough to let me know he knew it was me without making me feel... That took me out for three days.”
• The Hybrid Car Story (54:52): Even her darkest moments are undercut by biting humor. Considering suicide, she quips, “Damn it, this is a hybrid car. It doesn't even produce enough carbon monoxide to kill me.”
• Mother-dog Bond (83:16): Deeply moving retelling of losing her beloved dog, Em, and how that grief shaped—and continues to shape—her resilience.

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Closing Thoughts

Susan Powter’s conversation with Rachel Uchitel is a brave, funny, and radically honest look at fame, loss, reinvention, and the complex realities behind public personas. At 68, Susan is sharp as ever, challenging stereotypes of women, age, work, and wellness, while refusing to play the victim. Her story, as told both in this interview and in the new documentary, demonstrates the power of tenacity, humility, and the capacity for self-reinvention at any point in life.

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Where to Find More

• Documentary: Finding Susan Powter – Streaming on Amazon and multiple platforms.
• Book: And Then Em Died: Stop the... A Memoir – Available on Amazon (all royalties to Susan).
• Connect: Instagram and TikTok — join Susan’s community and hear more in her own words.

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Most Misunderstood Thing About Susan Powter:
“That I'm not smart. That I'm just loud and crazy and nuts and, in, pardon the pun, insane.” (109:43)

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For Support:

• Buy the book, stream the documentary, or follow Susan on social media.
• Rachel Uchitel’s show continues to spotlight and humanize those who’ve been reduced to a headline, reminding listeners that reinvention and hope is always possible, right up to the very end.

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Transcript

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[Susan Powter]

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[Rachel Yukatel]

Today on Misunderstood with Rachel Yucatel.

[Susan Powter]

We got a call from the home show. So I go in to do my segment. He asked me one question. I completely ignored him. I looked straight through the camera and I was like, stop the insanity. I broke records. She is a fitness instructor, a motivational.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Speaker and an author. Susan Pouter, ladies and gentlemen.

[Susan Powter]

The mistake I made was was that I assumed that the people were doing the job I was paying them mightily for because they weren't. I take responsibility, but I'm not a moron. I'm an Uber Eats driver for nine years. There isn't a job I haven't done. I think the worst, most humiliating one is I delivered mattresses once.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Was there a time though that you said to them, what the. Where's the money?

[Susan Powter]

No zebra. Newman looked for me for nine months. He is the director of the film I'm on the revenge train. I am. Oh I'm on the revenge train. I mean bitch better have my money. Rihanna Never thought I would ever have Jamie Lee Curtis hold me in her arms and say, you survived. Your being is real.

[Rachel Yukatel]

What do you think is the most misunderstood thing about you?

[Susan Powter]

And he said, what you need is a good man. And I said, well, honey, when you can vibrate 35 times a second, give me a call, okay? I just knocked George out.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Foreign. Welcome back to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yukatel. This is one of the episodes that I've got to tell you, this is exactly why I do this show. Susan Powder is one of those women everyone remembers, whether you followed fitness in the 90s or not. She had a shaved head, no filter, gorgeous face. She kept yelling, stop the insanity into your camera. She was everywhere on every show. She built a massive fitness empire before we even had language for what that even meant. And then she disappeared. A new documentary just came out called Stop the Finding Susan Powder. And when I sat down to watch it, I realized something. Of course I knew who this woman was. I remembered her the same way everyone else did, as this loud, iconic figure from another era. But like most people, I had never really asked the question, what actually happened to her. After all of that, what I learned stunned me. Susan Powder is now living in Las Vegas and driving for Uber Eats. When I heard that, my heart sank. I didn't understand how someone could rise that high, be that influential, and end up there. And I knew I needed to talk to her, so I reached out, and I'm glad I did. She's here today to walk us through the documentary, which everyone should go see if they haven't. It's unbelievable. But we also go much deeper. We talk about where she came from, how she built that empire and what went wrong, what wasn't shown, and what it's actually like to live the years after the world stopped. Paying attention to this conversation is honest, sobering, and deeply human. And here's the thing. We all look at situations like this and see such a fall from grace, but this woman has the exact same energy she had before. She's just as humble and excited to be doing what she is doing now. And it gave me a lesson in being grateful and realizing that we are all on the verge of a comeback if we allow it to happen. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I enjoyed having it. Without further ado, here is the iconic Susan Powder. And then I moved out.

[Susan Powter]

Ya gotcha.

[Rachel Yukatel]

My grandparents live here.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, got it. Got it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

All that.

[Susan Powter]

So you're a Vegas girl.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, I am a Vegas girl.

[Susan Powter]

If you're Here for more than a minute. You're a Vegas girl.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, but, you know, very transient. I opened up town nightclub, which is crazy because we did Tao. Yeah. I moved here from New York to open up Tao.

[Susan Powter]

Good for you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And it was just a whole different life back then. You know what I mean? But anyways, I'm getting married in two weeks, which is very exciting.

[Susan Powter]

Okay. Is it your first? No, please. I was gonna say good luck.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm on to. To three or four.

[Susan Powter]

I can't remember. Yeah, I've been. I've done two boys, and I essentially married a girl. I'm a lesbian. Essentially married a girl. But, you know, we weren't legal. No, I'm not. Oh, God, no.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, do you like the men or.

[Susan Powter]

The women to be married to him? No, I'm a complete lesbian. No, no, there's no boys. That was 20, 25 years ago.

[Rachel Yukatel]

No boys. But did you know when you were with the boy that you were.

[Susan Powter]

We did. In the 70s. We did everything. Like, I'm 68, you know, like there were girls, boys, whatever.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. It's.

[Susan Powter]

Who came in the 70s. Like, we did all that.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But you know, what's we?

[Susan Powter]

I wasn't not a lesbian. Trying to hide being with boys. I just got so sick of. It's very boring. I mean, in all due respect to your.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Are you going? Yeah, George, we're rolling.

[Susan Powter]

Okay. No.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Anyways. No. So we could just talk. Cause we'll do my intro later. But no, I have a question about that, though. Because my daughter is 13, and in fourth grade, while we lived in New York, she came home one day and she goes, mom, are you down with the pansexuals? And I was like, you don't even know how to add. Stop talking to me about pansexuals. Like, it was so weird.

[Susan Powter]

Well said.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And they talk all about. And then now she's in. She's 13, and she's like, well, so. And so's gay. And so and so's this. And I'm like, we didn't have that back.

[Susan Powter]

No, we didn't. I mean, the bottom line is you just asked, am I gay or. I'm 100% gay. Yeah. And it's been years since. And the reason was I just got really. It was boring. Yeah. I mean, in all due respect, you get older, you have a couple husbands, and it's like, ugh, this is it. Like, this is what you got, kid. And I was working like a crazy person and. Stop the insanity. And I hired all women because I Want to support women and pay women. There's a lot of money. Pay all that. And I had a staff for the first time in my life. And I have three children. I mean, I've been a single mother for years. I had a staff of only women. And this is what happened that turned me gay. You want to know what happened that turned me gay? What happened? I'll tell you. We got you laughing in the first three seconds, kid. That's boy behind all equipment. That's what we'll call you. But anyway, I came home from a business trip. You're a businesswoman, You've worked your whole life, My whole life. And you've been married a couple of times. I came home from a business trip and the. This is what I walked into. Swear. There was food cooking on the stove. The house was immaculately clean. My children were homeworked, done, ready for bed. And I had a bath being run by somebody, you know, my assistant. A lavender bath with candles lit. And I sat in the bath after the longest business trip exhausted. And it was like, tell me everything. You know, women. Tell me everything. Okay, how'd it go? What'd you think about? How'd you. She sat on the toilet, I sat in the bath. And it wasn't sexual. It was just beauty. And I was like, I'm gonna live with women for the rest of my life. I'm never gonna come home to a man again. Because they don't. How'd it go? Good, thanks. I'm telling you, right? So I. That's what. I get it. And I say to women all the time, if you took the sexuality, the fear of vagina out of it, raise your hands if you would love to live with your real best friend.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, me, I have a fear of vagina.

[Susan Powter]

I think I know. I think all women do. It's okay. It's cause you were raised, you know, Fear of the pe. Is what I have to say. Fear the penis.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, I mean, I get it, but you're right, the men can't.

[Susan Powter]

Men. It's validating them. I don't care enough. I did have partners and I would come home from business trips and there wasn't even an anything. It was like. And I just want more. So that's why you had like a.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Love of your life?

[Susan Powter]

Oh, I've had the most passionate love affairs of anyone you've ever met, really. I've married, unfortunately, only for love. Passion. Passion. Which I wish. You know, One of my regrets in life, one of them, honestly, is that I didn't Marry up is that I didn't know the asset. Like I married for love. And they were like, lose. My father used to say, if you have a really beautiful face and you don't have a job, Susan will marry you. Like none of them ever were. You know, it was my. That's my problem, right?

[Rachel Yukatel]

No, and I totally get it, by the way.

[Susan Powter]

I just met you 40 seconds ago. I like you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Thank you. And I like you. But I will tell you that I married a guy who's 10 years younger than me, gorgeous guy, still alive. So I don't want to say too many bad things and is the father of my child. But it didn't work out. And everyone would say, how could you divorce him? He's so gorgeous. And I'm like, you don't get it. I couldn't even kiss the man. Like it was. So I started to treat him like the dog walker because there was just not that level of respect. And when someone can't have that kind of conversation, I'm attracted to their thoughts, the experiences they've been through. When they get it, you know, when they get the joke, that connection that they have, that's what I'm attracted to. I'm also attracted to when somebody walks in the room and you just are like, wow, what does that.

[Susan Powter]

Yeah. And I don't, you know, boy, girl, whatever. It's not against them. I have three grown sons. Men. I have a 43 year old, 44 year. Like I got grown men.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Are they married?

[Susan Powter]

No, no Grandma.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Any grandkids?

[Susan Powter]

One grandchild. Well, I deliberately. My first two children that America grew up with, it was me and the boys. Me and the boys. Me and the boys. Marriage blows up hen the story of Stop the insanity. That's all good. But what people don't know is that I quite deliberately had another child at 40. I adopted my third son at birth to teach birth control to the 15 and 16 year old. And it worked. They were like, mom, do we have to bring the baby? Like, this is so much work. Do we have. I was like, yeah, that's called. When you have. So. Condoms. Condoms. Condoms. Like think. Then they learned. They were like, this is so much work. And then I hammered it in that I did it alone with the two of you. So let's relax, kids, right? You know, but I did it deliberately so they would be responsible men. So out of three boys, there's one grandchild only recently. Lovely, fabulous, Very good looker, by the way.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Are you close to all three boys?

[Susan Powter]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, me and no, my family's fabulous. Okay. No, no, I did a good job as a mother. Like I did. I ran my home. There was organization, there was no yelling. We did the Montessori method. You don't take another bucket of toys down unless you put your own toys up. Not picking up after you all day. Like discipline. Yes, ma'. Am.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So they learn manners.

[Susan Powter]

They learn how to beh day. I got a six, three. That I say, you know Kyle, and he's like, yes, ma'. Am. No, yes, ma' am is what you say to me. Like, yes, ma'. Am. Wow. Right?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. Did you have. Did you have like, did you have help? Did you have their father helping at all?

[Susan Powter]

Oh, my God. Guess you didn't know the story of Stop the insanity. No, no. He walked out when I had a six week old and a one year old. Well, I heard that he wasn't into the marriage. No, no, he has nothing.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You didn't get the best.

[Susan Powter]

Not one penny of child support in 18 years. Not one penny. Not one penny. As a matter of fact, quite the opposite. Because what I did was, I came, I decided, I was like, okay, I'm smarter than you. Yeah. Connie Chung, years ago, years ago, when it was all the rage, when she was the whatever, came and did an interview because I had my ex husband living downstairs. I don't call him baby daddy, I call him sperm. Like. Cause he never did a thing. Like, never did a thing. So, you know, yes, the father of those two children, but he was never a father and never. And he is alive. So hear me when I say this, buddy. Still, I mean, it's been years, I have known nothing. I never think about him. But no, he walked and didn't do a thing. And what I did is I said to him, you will stay home and I'm gonna go start a career. And I started an exercise studio and started Stop the Insanity. But I paid him a lot of money, so he was paid to be a father.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Got it, Got it. Okay, so that's where I wanna start from. Cause I've seen the documentary. Thank you, by the way. You know, Mike, who you just met, was the one. The guy who's friends with John Redmond.

[Susan Powter]

Who we love.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, who we love. So Mike calls me, sends me the trailer. A couple weeks ago, before this even came out. Yeah, watching the trailer, I started crying.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, I love that.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I called George, my editor, and I said, I have to get this person, I have to get her on the show.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, thank you, George. Man behind the equipment.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I called Mike. Mike put me in touch with John. I spoke to John and John was like, absolutely, we'll make it happen. Because I guess John and I have kind of been in charge of ourselves.

[Susan Powter]

And we must tell the audience that I almost didn't get here because I was dropped off at the wrong address.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yes, I know.

[Susan Powter]

Which has happened before.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yes.

[Susan Powter]

So I ran in. We just got here. Thrilled to be here. Nice to meet you all.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So nice to meet you.

[Susan Powter]

I'm glad to be here.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So in watching it though, it starts at a point. I mean, first of all, so getting through this documentary, I just want you to know I had to stop and start it. Cause I ordered it. I pre ordered it and then I saw it when it came out, I had to stop and start it because I was. It's gonna make me cry. I was bawling through it.

[Susan Powter]

Thank you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

To see.

[Susan Powter]

And people very rarely, especially women, get to hear the truth. Just as a mother. The truth. The truth. As a woman, as a person who had like the truth. And all I did was answer questions and tell the truth. And a very brilliant filmmaker, Zebra Newman, wove. Cause he's raised by a single mom. Wove a story about a woman that a lot of people, men, women, young, you wouldn't believe. 19, 20 year olds, they're like, you know what it's doing, Rachel? This is why I said the other day, I didn't know this. It's giving parents, whether you're a single mom, if you're parenting, it's giving parents grace because the children are going, you know, they're human. I mean, it doesn't always work out. She's sad. Like, I'm not depressed. There's nothing depressed about me. But damn, was I sad. And that's.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And what resonated with me, listen, I raised my daughter, you know, alone, essentially for. I got divorced after year one and it was hard. And I spent months in and out of family court and I spent months having a lot of money than having absolutely no money and trying to figure it out and feeling like I was completely alone. And watching you go through those moments of like, anger, desperation, fear, sometimes like looking in your closet, looking at the how much money you had and desperate fear. And then these things that get thrown at you and you're just like, fuck. You know. And it resonated with me because I've been there.

[Susan Powter]

Thank you. And that's why I'm saying, look at you. Gorgeous, successful, great, Nothing great. What is it? What I said the other day is this is like. And it's number one. And it's an independent film. Thank you. It's an independent film. We did it with nothing. Nothing. And Zebaraya did it beautifully. Jamie Lee Curtis, executive producer John Redmond. Don't ask the best of the best, but as an independent film, I said, just get it to the audience. That's what they just let people, parents, women, whoever the hell you are, see the truth. And it's creating this space of grace where children, I mean, 19 year olds are saying to me, I understand my mom better now. Like, she's a person. And what does she do when she can't hold it all together? The hardest thing for me was the dynamic of my family shifting. That was mortifying. Oh, by the way, I just want to remind you, George, I did bring you a copy of my book that I want to sign for you. Nobody has a signed copy except one person in the country. I brought you a copy and Georgia gave you one, too.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Thank you.

[Susan Powter]

Because a lot of the details of. You know from the. And you'll recognize a lot of Vegas, but from the moment of Stop the insanity all the way through to now are filled in. And I wrote in the book that when I went to pick up the car that my son bought me at an auction because I drive eight hours a day and I didn't have the money to buy a car, he was filling up the gas before I left, and I looked at him and I thought, we're in a. I never thought I'd be uncomfortable with my own child. From embarrassment and shame.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I get it.

[Susan Powter]

I never thought that would happen to me. It was me and the boys. Me and the boys. And then I looked at his dental work and I said, oh, my God, we're in a different class. And it ripped my heart out. And then I got in the car and I drove straight down to harbor island, the hellhole of the world it is, so that I could be working the next morning at 5am wow. Cause I had to deliver.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So, okay. All of this is all of this. And I remember watching, too. You guys who are listening, you have to see this documentary.

[Susan Powter]

Please. You can get it on Amazon. I'm not even pitching. Please do this weekend. Perfect time. And it's everything. It's not just sad. It's not intense. It's every. It's just the truth.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. Well, that was the thing I want to say. It's what resonated with me. It's like these are the feelings and the emotions and the experiences that you go through life trying to Hide? You trying to hide when you don't have enough money?

[Susan Powter]

Well, when I did hide, that was the biggest thing. I started referring to myself in the past tense. And I was hiding from my family. I was hiding. There's a whole thing in the book about hiding. I didn't even do it deliberately. What am I.

[Rachel Yukatel]

What.

[Susan Powter]

I was mortified and disappointed.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, right. You're disappointed in yourself. You scared they're going to be disappointed in you? You know, I was talking to. I don't know if you. His story, Todd Marinovich, he was a. He was a. A football player who was considered. They called him robo quarterback. His father raised him, didn't give him fast food, made him work out since a baby. He would put him.

[Susan Powter]

His father made him live his dream. Is that what you're saying?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Exactly. But live in the. Stand in the dark, Stand on a balance beam, bouncing a ball, doing mathematics. Okay. He gets to usc. He. Everyone's freaking out about how good this kid is. He fucks up his life, he starts doing drugs and all this stuff.

[Susan Powter]

Well, surprise, surprise, dad, right?

[Rachel Yukatel]

So he's been homeless, he's been in jail. He now is struggling day to day. I had him on the show and he. Oh, God. We broke down watching him say this. Cause you just feel so much for him. He's like the disappointment for other people. He goes, that was other people's dream. It was who I was, right? But to be putting gas in my car and someone looks at me and looks at me with that disgust of like, God, what happened to him?

[Susan Powter]

Well, I was here up in Boulder. I won't even say it because I don't want the woman to get that much credit. But I was hired to manage a cafe. I needed the job so badly, so badly, I cannot tell you. And I drove far, and I'm really good. I can run the hell out of a restaurant. And a week and a half in, I came in for my job and she fired me instantly.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Why?

[Susan Powter]

And she said, I googled you. You're Susan Powder. What are you here doing a review on my food? She said I was professionally working as a fitness expert, and she fired me. And that day, you want to know, nobody knows this but one of my sons. That day I walked. I was shocked. And I walked out and I slipped and fell. So I'm in the parking lot, I fell and I literally got in the car. Like, this can't be real. This cannot be real. Another time, I didn't have a car, and I was taking my youngest son to school. In a bus. On a bus. And in Seattle, in the pouring rain. In the bloody pouring rain. And the bus driver opened the door and laughed at me. She said, what are you doing getting on a bus? Are you pretending to ride the bus? Right? And I was like, no, I don't have a car. And she was like, but you're Susan Powder, right? So being someone sometime, it's not harder. I'm never gonna say that, but it's maybe a little more shocking when it's like, oh, millions of dollars, nothing, you know, internationally known. I didn't try to do that. I'm the same person. You can see there's affected about me. I'm exactly the same as I've always been. I'm not an ass. I'm not a highfalutin anything. But it's shocking. It's like, whoa. And people don't know that. Everyone assumes I'm loaded, right? Everyone. Guy got seven books and I never got one penny of a royalty. I don't get royalties on my stuff contracts, they screwed that up, too. So people think, she's got products, she's got books, she's got videos, she's famous. No, she isn't. And what I want, there's no blame. The one thing, the editor. I called my original editor from Simon and Schuster, 30 years later, I said, bob, it's Susan. And he was like, susan Powder. I'll be damned. He's in the movie. Bob Osahina, you, sir. And thank you for watching it, too. And thank you, George, for watching it. I do appreciate that. But when he saw the. I said, I got a book. And he said, send it. Love, love, love, love. And he said, when he read it, he said, I am startled that there is no victimization, there is no blame. I take full responsibility. I should have checked the bank accounts and I didn't. Yeah, I should have said, show me the balance.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right? Right.

[Susan Powter]

And I didn't. But I was running like a racehorse.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right? Well, you were the talent. You were doing all this stuff. So I want to go back for people that may not know the whole story. I want you to watch the documentary. So I don't want to do the whole story, but I want to get the gist of it. What I used to. This documentary starts where we see you and you're big and it kind of shows who you are already.

[Susan Powter]

It shows the past.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, it shows the past. And it shows that you had lost some weight and you got into fitness. But I was curious about that. So before we knew who you Are before you even got into fitness, had you had any jobs before? Like what did you do?

[Susan Powter]

Did you go to college?

[Rachel Yukatel]

No.

[Susan Powter]

Here's the order of events, here's the chronology. And that's again why I say always. I had a chance in, you know, in the movie. You got a time slot. We're talking about the last 10 years. You know, we're talking about a certain period of time, you know, the before or whatever. Here's before. Stop the insanity. I was living in Garland, Texas. I had two babies a year apart. 10 pound babies. And the prince walked out when I had a six week old and a one year old. Okay, that's great. I was 260 pounds from the babies, not just from the. Yeah, two pregnancies, nursing two babies. You know, like a lot of women, you wake up, you don't recognize your body. Okay, that's great. We didn't have the Internet then. We didn't have TikTok with the postpartum bodies and the mom showing the diapers they wear up, which I love. I love those women because it. As you said, we didn't have any of that. We didn't have a.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Were you fit before?

[Susan Powter]

No, just normal, you know, I mean, I've. No, I look good.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You were obsessed.

[Susan Powter]

No, never. No. I knew I was doomed financially as a single mother in Garland, Texas in 1983. And so the reason I completely changed my body is because I became a stripper. I stripped for years. Million Dollar Saloon, Lower Grain. Oh, yeah, Bernadette, I'm a fabulous stripper. No, no. And everyone does know that. It's in the book. I've talked about that. That's not news to like America. Right. But I would because I kn. I was screwed financially. I didn't want to put my babies in daycare. I couldn't afford a babysitter. I had no family help at all. And did I mention a year apart, I had two 10 pound babies a year apart and I was nursing both babies. So I hired a babysitter who was a Seventh Day Adventist who had no idea what I did.

[Rachel Yukatel]

How old were you at this point?

[Susan Powter]

Oh, I don't. Whatever. I was in your 20s. Who cares? I mean, I had babysitter. I don't pay any attention to age, but I hired a babysitter who had no idea what I did. I worked the 11 to 7 shift, the day shift, at one of the biggest clubs in the country, the Million Dollar Saloon. And so she would come at 9. So I'd get my kids breakfast and whatever I Paid her a fortune, more money than she's ever made. And she babysat. Nobody knew what I did. I would get changed in the parking lot of the German bakery. This story is in the book. I would get changed in the parking lot of a German bakery, put a wig on. I look really good in a wig. Really good. And I made a lot of money. I was a very, very, very good dancer. That's what you do? Yeah, yeah. Very good dancer. So I stripped for years. And then I decided my ex husband, I knew he was gonna be baby sperm. And I. So I said I gotta. I gotta figure this out. I had an. Some idiot. Well, somebody poured beer on the stage and I broke both my feet at the club. And I went in when I was in the emergency room just before surgery. The guy alone, the guy said to me, you know, name, address. And he said, what do you do for a living? I said, I'm a dancer. He said, not anymore, kid. That's what he said. My feet were broken in half. So I said, I'm gonna open an exercise studio. And that's what I did. Did. And that was the beginning of Stop the insanity.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wow.

[Susan Powter]

Very simple.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, wait, but I. Assuming with. No, with your feet not working.

[Susan Powter]

Well, my. My feet have been broken. I mean I got. But I got great arches and I always wear heels. No, no, no, that was years ago. My feet are fine.

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[Rachel Yukatel]

You translated dancing into fitness because you obviously at this point was it weren't.

[Susan Powter]

Really connected at all. I just. I know about wellness. Like I got it. I changed my body myself. We didn't. I figured out what I teach, you know, fat burns and oxygen. You know, you need lean muscle mass, metabolically the most active. These facts that I heard, that's how I changed it. So I just started talking to other women.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Got it.

[Susan Powter]

Like in the grocery store, isn't it? I would be in the grocery store, women would come up to me and go, you have your babies and you look so good. I was like, oh no, no, listen to me. You can burn fat. I used to be. No. And crowds would gather in the Piggly Wiggly. Was the name of the grocery store. Not lying, George. George. I'm not lying.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I grew up in Anchorage, Alaska. Well, then you know Piggly Wiggly.

[Susan Powter]

Okay, good. Well, Piggly Wiggly, Garland, Texas. So women would gather because I was just telling the truth. And I'm not. I never said fitness expert. The 90s media said that I'm a housewife who figured something out and it pissed me off and I started talking to other housewives.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm curious your perspective now on fitness. Because everybody just takes ozempic or takes care.

[Susan Powter]

Well, I'm 68 years old and I look better than any other 68 year old. Thank you. You're amazing. Thank you. No, I don't care what you do. I've said this many times when I was nursing my baby in Dallas, Texas, you know, 200 plus pounds, you know, trying to lose 30 here, 40 there. Start on Monday. Like everyone listening has done a million times. Worst time of the year is just around the corner, kids. It's called the New Year's resolution and it's a complete failure every year. And that's not your problem. Anyway, I literally went to a doctor, I had two babies breastfeeding them and he gave me black beauty. So that's pure speed, by the way. Pure speed. Okay? I didn't take it cause I was nursing my babies. So nothing has changed. It's just a new drug. It's just a new drug. And the bottom line is whatever you gotta do, you do what you do. You have to change the way eat, breathe, move and think. I don't care who you are. If you live in a human body, there are infrastructural, basic physiological truths. And that's what wellness is, none of the other crap. And stop. The insanity was so simple. They didn't know what to do. They were like, how does she know? She's smart and that's What I did, I build lean muscle mass. Cause it' metabolically the most active tissue in the body. Active tissue burns fat. Bingo. Done. What activates your metabolism? Two things destroy a metabolic rate. Dieting and lack of exercise. What activates one eating on a regular basis? Coal. Coal. Coal in the barbecue, wood in the fire. There's no fire if you don't have any wood. The fuel. I talk.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But the fuel has to be good, right?

[Susan Powter]

Well, no, then you go into quantity and quality. Of course you do. Quantity and quality. Everyone took one line. What I was saying is whole foods. And I was saying high volume, low fat. So the line that the media took, remember, it was the 90s, everyone, it was the 90s. I mean that's like prehistoric compared to today because you know, but what they took is ex fat woman says, Eat 32 baked potatoes first. You can't eat 32 baked potatoes, you'll die. Second. That's not what I said. What I said is high volume, low fat food, food. I said whole foods. Grains, beans, fruits and vegetables. Start there. Because America doesn't eat beans and grains. Right. The rest of the world does. Right, right, right. Like you look at the cultures that are lean. Look at the all American lifestyle. It's a complete and absolute failure and people are suffering terribly. Nobody wants to be £400.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But don't you think that has to do with income? Because you see people that have lower income 100% eating at McDonald's, which by the way, the prices have gone up, you know, a ton. But you know the days when it was like, you know, 99 cents for like two hamburgers or something. And that's why they were filling up on that and that's why middle America, I think, got very heavy.

[Susan Powter]

Well, I deliver every day. Very wealthy people are eating that junk. So yes, it is economically driven, no question about it. It is educationally driven, no question about it. It's opportunity driven. If you don't have a car and you can only get, I mean, I walked to the 99 cent store to get food because I didn't have a car. So there are a lot of contributing factors. But the fact of the matter is nobody signs up for I want to be over fat and unfit. I want to have no energy, I want to hate my body and be disconnected. That's one thing I will say about it's not Ozempic because we all know it was developed for a diabetic drug. And then when they figured it out, they were like, oh, the bigger, more money to be made and the fact that they got people to give themselves a shot is a marketing miracle. Not the point. Do what you do. I'm not judging you. I don't judge. I'm not judgey. But what pisses me off is they're targeting the children.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

And if you have a 9 year old who is giving themselves or mum is a shot, they're never gonna. You're putting them on stomach paralysis drugs. That doesn't solve the problem. So what pisses me off about those boys, all of them, the wegogi, the. This is they're targeting children. Yeah. So that's under the banner of treat the symptom, don't ever solve the problem. Of course. And that just, that's just. And it's not. I never said to anyone. I mean I had a studio for years before stop the insanity became what it. I talk to thousands and I had a new to fit class. Nobody had that. Nobody had that. There are 400 pound people around there. I'll teach you how to get fit. That's what I can teach anyone, how to get fit. And it's not what you think, right? It's not the big rally or the hoop and hollering or I've got a special program on a method. No, this is if you live in a human body, there are five things you have to do and I can tell you how you're gonna do them. And there's never gonna be a moment of motivation. You don't change anything on the 29th of December, not a thing is gonna change on the 1st of January. And then you're gonna be BL two weeks in. Like, I have no motivation, I'm lazy and I can't do. None of that is true. Everyone listening. 98% of all diets fail. That's an AMA stat. First thing I said when I heard that this is in 1980, I said, first of all, I want to meet the 2% who succeed. And second, that means the system is a failure, not the people doing it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

No, done. I have that kind of a brain.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

I have a very logical like wait a minute, right? And boom, I get the answer and I do it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So it's interesting because obviously people have mentioned your energy and sitting here and hearing you talk about it, it's clear to see that if then you went from stripping to buying. Did you buy the studio or you just.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, I just rented. No, no, I rented. No, I taught 26 classes a week and one of the most popular studio. It became super popular. Got it in Dallas, Texas, the height of aerobics. And I had no hair. I had bracelets up to my elbow and I had 150 piercings before anyone did in their ear. Women, the front row in that. They carved a space for my classes. I taught 27 classes a week.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wait, why the hair? I was curious, too.

[Susan Powter]

People think it's a marketing thing. And they're like, brilliant. Brilliant. First, it was the biggest detriment in the beginning.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Then.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, you think the 1990s. Time Warner wanted me? They wanted.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Probably not.

[Susan Powter]

But she grew her hair. Yes. She's too loud. She's too bleh.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But you had the face. I mean, who could do that with their hair? I mean, it would be.

[Susan Powter]

But it was not popular. It was. No, no. There was Bridge, Brigitte Nielsen, there was Sinead. And that ended terribly. I'm so sorry, Sinead. Cause you were lovely. But talk about being medicated. Anyway, so there was Brigitte and Sinead. So everyone always. No, no, I have. It works really well for bikini waxes and underarm hair. I have no hair. Like, I have. I don't think. I don't think I've ever shaved. It's one of.

[Rachel Yukatel]

It just doesn't grow.

[Susan Powter]

No, no. I have really long hair. I can get. But it's super thin, so I don't have good hair. Like, I don't have good hair. The only time I have good hair is when it's dead. When it's fried.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I see what you're saying.

[Susan Powter]

It stands up a bit. I have, like, the volume the most. Nothing. Which is fine, because, I mean, I got a bikini line that people would die for. Well, no waxing necessary here, kids.

[Rachel Yukatel]

It obviously worked for you because you stood out. I mean, you eventually.

[Susan Powter]

Whether it became a thing. Yeah, but in the beginning, it was not. No, no. They were like, nope, she has to grow her hair. Women won't like her.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So you're doing these classes and you're starting to make money, and you have.

[Susan Powter]

These two things, have an exercise studio.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And you're like, this is it. This is great. You think this, like, the pinnacle, and you're fine. How does it move to the next step?

[Susan Powter]

It literally. I was teaching in a very. I mean, the three top aerobic markets in the country at the time were New York, L.A. and Dallas. Cause there's money. And I had the oddest shooting. Again, I was an odd duck, believe me. Local press got involved. And back in the day, people who are listening now will have no idea that this is a reality. But it is. You know there was a three news. There was. You didn't have a million channels, a million streaming. So the Dallas some magazine, some big mag said, what's going on over here in the studio? Can we come and do an article on it? She was so pissed off, this woman. She walked in the door because I said, come to my new to FIT class. So she saw me and a whole bunch of morbidly obese people. She wasn't thrilled that she was on the aerobic beat anyway. And here's what I said to her when she walked in. I said, you can sit over there and watch. I said, these people are here to change the way they look and feel. And we take our class very seriously. That's all I ever said to her. So I, I didn't think. The next day the phone rang off the hook. I was like, this is a Susan matter studio. I'll get back to you in a moment. You know, writing down names and numbers. We didn't have the Internet. It got national press. We got a call from the home show out of nowhere. And again, again, the story is really real. This is what I. When I explained the chronology, I had a chance in writing it as opposed to the movie wasn't going back to the home show. No Hair. Gary Collins, Sarah Purcell. It was the last live audience three hour show on television at the time, the last abc. So I go in to do my segment. He asked me one question. I completely ignored him. I looked straight through the camera and I was like. And I broke every rule in morning television. I was like, no, listen to me. You can get fit. All you gotta do is modify. Anybody can modify. Like, I don't care if it's been a while, if your knee hurts, we can modify. We can get you fit. You have to build. And I talk nonstop for. I knew I would never be asked back. I walked away. I wasn't. I'm not, I'm not.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I didn't care.

[Susan Powter]

I'm not trying. I did not say I didn't care. I was glad. It was good money for my kids. They paid me, okay? But I wasn't striving. I'm not a striver. Like, it was organic. This is organic. You know, you just took your moment.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Not worried that it would matter.

[Susan Powter]

No. And I didn't care. I was looking to the women I knew. I had a camera. I was like right through the camera. It was a female audience. We got the high, we brought. I broke records, okay? So they called immediately and they set me up. Is what television used to do probably still does, but we have the Internet now. They said we want her to come on again because our numbers were off the charts. And it's probably just so they booked me a few days before Thanksgiving, where nobody gives a crap about wellness two days before you're about to binge and gorge. And the numbers went through the roof. So then the third time, they, like, right away invited me back. I got called up to the big boy's office, and he said, we'd like to invite you to become a member of the Home show family. And I thought it was brilliantly funny. Said as what the relative you're not willing to fess up to? Not a response. Nothing. I'm telling you. Nothing. There was nothing. And I was like, oh, here we go. So then I did a weekly. I commuted from just running my studio single.

[Rachel Yukatel]

What are you thinking? Are you like, this is amazing.

[Susan Powter]

I love tv. It's fine. I never thought, even when we did the book deal, because then Time Warner came, then Simon and Schuster. They come where they see heat. And back in the day, there was only a few. I mean, when Time Warner called for videos, it was Time Warner calling for it. Simon and Schuster gives you a $2 million advance without a word on paper. It's just because they're like, we don't really know what's going on, but something is.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And were they talking about numbers to you and dollars and cents type of conversations?

[Susan Powter]

Well, but by the time it got to. To the amount of money that stopped the insanity, I was the only revenue generator in stopped the insanity. By the time it got to the kind of money, there was eight agents, literary agents, 14 lawyers. I'm not kidding you. And I couldn't. It wasn't the same. Listen, I take responsibility, but I'm not a moron. And when a man with the entourage, the MC Hammer. I didn't have an entourage. I was running home and making dinner for my kids. I was going to the baseball games, which I hated on Saturday. Like I was doing no men in the boys that we were signing those deals. I was signing those deals with no men. They were going back to their mistresses. They were not running their children and their life. It's different with a woman. And that's all real. That's not us versus them. That's just our truth. And I'm gonna tell it because I have the right to tell it. Fine. It wasn't stupidity. You couldn't call Time Warner and say, I want to see the analytics. And as a woman, they did treat you Differently. And then I'm not the average, average woman, right? I don't look like the. Ever. I don't play the game. Like, the. I don't kowtow to them. I don't. Like. I'm just. And I'm. My energy is aggressive energy. And, you know, they're just like, whoa, She's. Here's what everyone says to me. Well, back in the day, whoa, you want another cup of coffee? That's what men always say. They also say like, whoa, slow down, little Philly. Slow down, little Philly. And I would. My response would be, no, you speed up. Unless you want to pay me my bills.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right?

[Susan Powter]

Like, you speed up. Like, come on, buddy. Like, let's go. And then they'd be like, love her. She's a knockout, that one. But I don't play the boy game very well. I never did my whole life, ever.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I was curious because I also didn't understand it from the docu documentary at all. Was there a time, though, that your bank account was filling up and you got to sort of live the good life, or did it all kind of stay? Oh, no, no.

[Susan Powter]

There's something sad. He made a lot of money. And, you know, and I had. Well, I had videos, a Time Warner. I had books, Simon and Schuster. I had netstar Radio. I had multimedia, my own television show, right? It was Mage. No, no, it was Mage. So. But I had accountants and lawyers. So, yes, I had money. The boys and I had fun. Yes.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And you're on talk shows with the boys everywhere.

[Susan Powter]

Everywhere. Like Jay Leno, David Letterman, all of them had fun. But look at me. I am the same. Like, I was like, this is fun. I just did Letterman. He's nice. I liked him. Know Leno, not so much, but not the point. Like, I. Whatever, right? I just was working and thrilled to be. Here's the mistake I made. Everyone listening. The mistake I made was that I assumed that the people, lawyers, accountants, managers, that they were doing the job I was paying them mightily for. That was a mistake. Because they want. And everybody else has houses, and everybody else lives in Malibu, and everybody else has launched careers from. Stop the insanity. Because of the connections that came in through me, which is fine. And that's all good, because when I had my third baby, I fired them. I walked away.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right?

[Susan Powter]

I walked away.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Was that how it ended?

[Susan Powter]

Yeah, yeah. I fired everyone in one paragraph.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay?

[Susan Powter]

When I found out what was happening, I found out what was happening. I found out what was happening with my money, and then I just fired everyone. And I took my 4 week old baby and I moved from LA to Seattle.

[Rachel Yukatel]

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[Susan Powter]

By the way, you can get as personal as you want. I like you. You can ask me any damn thing you want and I'll answer you. No, no, we're good. Of course there was still one accountant. You know, I was living. You know. You moved from LA Beverly Hills to like a nice little house in Seattle. I had my baby. Okay. You know, I went back to my roots. I started teaching exercise class. Not. Cause there was no money. Right. There wasn't 800 million.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

But there. Listen, I assumed I was gonna be getting royalties from my seven books. Sure, sure, I assumed that the accountant was Whatever.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But it's not like your life went from nothing to. But all of a sudden you were living in a huge mansion with a Rolls Royce of this, you seemed that you lived very.

[Susan Powter]

I, I, I am a very. I'm a hippie. I'm a casual gal.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And it didn't seem like you cared about the money.

[Susan Powter]

Well, I, I did, because as a single mother, I was really proud you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Cared to get through the, you know, to have.

[Susan Powter]

But I know I'm not. No, I never was high faluting. Everybody around me got highfalut, right? And it got embarrassing. We were at the Emmys, and they were like, sue, Sue, Sue. And I was like, I'm gonna vom. Like, this is not who I am.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right?

[Susan Powter]

Like, you know, I. I'm me. And that's why people responded. So what I always say that I knew two years before I left. I didn't know what was happening with the money till I found out one day, and I was like, I'm done. Like, I'm done. I'm done. Not even gonna. Never spoke a few of those people's name for, like, 10 years. Didn't speak their names. I was done.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Now, when you said you were done, though, were they like, well, you can't be done.

[Susan Powter]

They had no choice. I was. I said, you write the book. Did you hear what Donna Summers said when they tried to sue her?

[Rachel Yukatel]

No.

[Susan Powter]

She got on the stand and she said, you sing the songs. Go ahead. So you write the books. You do the motivational speeches because Clear.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Was all about you.

[Susan Powter]

Well, no, but go ahead. Feel free. Susan Powder Corporate. Feel free without Susan Powder. That's gonna be a problem. And, you know. No, no, no. I started teaching. I was teaching organic cooking classes. I was making money, you know. So you just kind of started over 100 million from. Versus whatever, you know, six grand a month where I'm making. And I was very recognizable and very well known. But Seattle, nobody cared. Then it was kind of. I had my baby. I'd go up to the bakery, I'd have coffee. You know, journalists would come, and we'd talk. And then I tried to write another book with Simon and Schuster, and it's in the book. Carolyn Reedy, the CEO, who. I love her. She's not here anymore, but love her more than life itself. And she loved me. And she said. She called me and she said, a, your ex husband is trying to sue you for alimony, so we can't sign you right now. And I was like, okay, he's an idiot. So, okay, we're gonna deal with that. You know, whatever. Never worked a day in our marriage. He didn't. I did. But anyway. And Then she said, here were her words. She said, susan, do you know the last check we sent and to whom? And I said, I do not Carolyn. She said, I suspected as much, and then told me the amount and to whom they had said sent it to. So things were still happening a year later with money and contracts and things, you know, Come on. I mean, are you kidding me? And it didn't. I just said, I'll just do. I'll do it again. Like, I'll do it again. So then these are the years that the documentary talks about. Yeah, yeah, sure. I work. I've worked every job possible. There's no job that's beneath me. Right. I love being a waitress. I'm so good. Like, do. I'm good. I just work. I'll do whatever. I'll write another book when I can. Whatever. That's years ago. But then you get to be 58. They don't hire. Then you get to be 61. They don't. Then you don't have health insurance. I don't have any credit because of a bankruptcy. They set up a corporate bankruptcy that has affected me for 30 years. Then it's different when you're 65. It's just different when you're 65. And that's when it gets scary. Zebra Newman looked for me for nine. He is the director of the film and a brilliant filmmaker. He looked for me for nine months. I was driving my. I do my thing. I pay my bills. I do art. I do my thing. I got a nice light. I mean, nice meaning I'm happy. I'm not a miserable. I was very, very, very sad. But the summer before he contacted me, I was saying to myself, there's no way out of this. There's no way out. You can't work hard enough to get out. Something's gonna happen to your health. My teeth are going like. That's when it gets scary as hell.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And doors kept closing because you're a woman.

[Susan Powter]

You're six. And, you know, I got more energy than you or anybody in this room for sure. But thank you very much. No, no. Thank you very much. No. You're infused. We give you. I give energy. I don't suck it. I'm not a vampire. I give energy.

[Rachel Yukatel]

No, I didn't mean I was tired from you. I just. Life makes me tired, that's all.

[Susan Powter]

I totally agree. Anyway, so it wasn't. They just look at 65 or 62 or 59. And then there was a length of time where my children, they get on with their Lives. I mean, when I can't afford to go. I can't go on vacation. My tire blows. I've got to call my son. Yeah, that's the stuff that really knocks you down. I was gonna say at the knees, but that made me think of Nancy Kerrigan. You're too young to remember that, aren't you, George? Remember? Do you know, could you die so I can't say, knock you down with your knees?

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm dying to get Tanya on the show.

[Susan Powter]

Well, it's interesting. She's doing something that's really. It's really sad what they got her doing now.

[Rachel Yukatel]

What is she doing?

[Susan Powter]

Well, they're producing Tiktoks for. I think they've taken them down now, but it's really. It's gross. Yeah. Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, I was always curious what happened to her, because she seemed. Obviously, she's the villain.

[Susan Powter]

Economic story. Exactly what you were saying. Yeah. She was raised with educated. And she was striving in a career most people to be.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And surrounding herself with the most terrible people.

[Susan Powter]

Terrible people. And to be a professional skater, that's an uppity, you know, a lot of money. You go to practice every day. Mommy takes you to. She wasn't raised like that. So she was the. You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'd like to hear her.

[Susan Powter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But anyway. All right, back to you.

[Susan Powter]

Yep.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I'm curious, though, about these things, people that were around you. And I know you didn't talk about them for a long time.

[Susan Powter]

Did.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Did it ever come a time that you said to them, what the fuck? Where's the money? What the fuck?

[Susan Powter]

No, I never spoke to them again. And I never will. No, I never will speak to them again.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And I saw at the end of the documentary, they said they tried to reach out and nobody.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Responded.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, I have. No, listen. How could they live doing that? I don't even care. I'm on the revenge train. I am. Oh, I'm on the revenge train. I mean, bitch better have my money. Rihanna 101. No. No. Hello. That's what I'm proud of. They thought I was long gone.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

I did not plan this either way. I didn't. I didn't say, I'm gonna do a movie and a book. I did. This is again, organically, and I appreciate it. And it's gonna be done properly this time. That I can guarantee I'll be checking the bank balance every 30 seconds.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

The answer is yes. But they didn't. They know what they. They know and here I come with a number one movie. Well, well, well. How hi looking and feeling. Great strength. I'm fine. I'm sane. I don't. There's no low to this high. I'm not medicated at all. I smoke weed all day, every day, but I'm not medicated. No AMA medications, not depressed, not anything. I survived my energy, survived a hell of a difficult time. And for that I am very grateful for my body and its strength. But no, no, no. They all know. They've all seen it. They saw the movie. I've heard. I've heard. They're talking. I've heard.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Do you think they'll reach out to you?

[Susan Powter]

They wouldn't be that stupid. You'd be a fool to reach out to me knowing what I know, right? But I know what I know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But I'm curious if how someone could go through life not feeling terrible about that.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, I think they probably feel very. I'm sure that. I think. I don't think it's terrible because I think if you had any ethics that would have come through. I think what they are is scared.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, of course.

[Susan Powter]

And they should be. Yeah, I mean, I think they're scared because it's like, what's she gonna say? And in my book, I name name. I. It's the truth. I tell the truth. It's the truth. Every detail is in that book. Because again, in a movie you could do, you know, book is different. I can go on and on.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Are these people still getting royalties on the Stop the Incident?

[Susan Powter]

Never asked. Don't care.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But it's still out there, right? Like people can order.

[Susan Powter]

No, I own it. It's my. No, no, but people listen, people are ordering the original book. I can't. I don't think about that. I got my own book now and I own it, by the way. I own it. I own it. Nobody's. I. I own it. I self published. It's on Amazon so everything comes back to you. Couldn't be more pro. Oh, I own everything. And now I have adult children. They're men who know what happened. It affected their lives too.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Sure.

[Susan Powter]

Didn't just affect mine. I mean, I'm on the revenge train for a my money. I'm not going back to them. I'll redo what I did. I said the other day, what's happening now makes stop the insanity look like the dress rehearsal that it was. It was dress rehearsal. Thank you. Because it was. And I can still do what I do, but I. I can own it now. We have The Internet, I can see all. I look at the analytics. So I have an opportunity that most people don't get once in their lifetime, let alone twice. And I'm acutely aware of that as a 68 year old woman who, you know, I'm acutely aware of that. So I don't care about them.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Isn't it so. Well, as an outsider looking in, it's so unique and rare. You are you and that's what is being sold. So it's not like anyone else can do it for you. It's not like you need someone else to do something. You just needed someone to find you again and be searching for you. I mean, thank you. I feel like you were on your own for a long time.

[Susan Powter]

Well, Jamie Leigh said, Jamie Lee Curtis is one of the executive producers. John Reb and Jamie Lee. John and Jamie. John and Jamie, I love them both. Literally. She said in her work that she does outside of her brilliant acting. She said we have a saying that look for them, reach out to them. And she said nobody looked for Susan. Powder said maybe she's not okay. Like, maybe she's not a gazillionaire. Maybe. And I don't expect that in my life. I'm not that person that expects that in their life. But no, it, I mean, I do not say organically the way everyone else says it. This is for a woman. What I was saying is my adult sons know what happened. They're very smart. They were raised by me. One of them's a lawyer. So let's start there. You know, come on. They're like adults now. They're like, we just did a contract because I'm doing a fabulous thing and my son was on the call yesterday.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Great.

[Susan Powter]

So you have people that actually me and my sons.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right. Their skin in the game is that you're their mother.

[Susan Powter]

And then they know what happened.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

They know the people involved.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh God, I'm so happy that you have them.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, it's. And as adults, they couldn't do anything before they were 10 and 12 or whatever they were. Right, right.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Can we. Because I want to get into them finding. But can we just kind of talk about that dark time that you had and like, what are some. What was the darkest time? Because to look at you and see your energy, it's almost hard to think that you've had dark times.

[Susan Powter]

But clearly it was beyond dark. I came very close to not making it. I do not ask, and I say this respectfully for anyone suffering, but I don't play the Game of We can't pretend people don't think about killing themselves. I mean, that's just stupid. And I believe I have the right to do whatever. Like, I'm not a drama queen. So if I called my children tomorrow and said, I'm out, they would not question me, right? Because I wouldn't pain. I don't do that stuff. So.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, you're not doing it for a test.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, no, no, no. If I decided I was done, I have the right to do that. It's my choice. You don't tell me what I can do, but that's fine. I actually have a very funny suicide story if you want to hear it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I want to hear it.

[Susan Powter]

Okay. Before I met Seb. George. Did you just laugh? George? No. No, not George. It was the summer before where I said, there's no way out. It was 120 degrees. I'm driving eight hours a day. And I just couldn't, you know, whatever the tire needed. I didn't have 25 bucks for. To patch a tire. And I just knew. I was like, susan, there's no way out. You're not gonna make it. Like, something's gonna go wrong, physically, something. And I know if I chose to leave this planet, I know exactly how I would do it. And I was not sobbing. I was mourning my own death. I was like, how could you kill this body? How could you kill this? Not how I could sin that this is where. If that happens, or I choose, whatever. And I was crying literally on a level in my car, before a shift, sitting in my car. I start my shift in Summerlin, sitting in my car. And I was just. I was sobbing. And then I got instantly livid. And I said, damn it, this is a hybrid car. It doesn't even produce enough carbon monoxide to kill me. Damn this. And then I started roaring with laughter. I wiped the tears. And I went and picked up an order for Uber Eats. One minute later, right? I was literally in the drive through. Hi, I'm here to pick up an order for Jamie. And literally, like, this is ridiculous. So. No, no. I died a thousand deaths behind that wheel. Daily, weekly days and days and days. I was mortified and humiliated. Oh, there was another moment. You want to hear?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Of course I do.

[Susan Powter]

Okay. It was in Vegas. Here. You remember Louie Anderson? He's passed, of course. Love, Louis. Okay. He had a real resurgence of his career. Playing some odd part in some indie. I don't know. Cause I don't watch tv. Okay, that's fine. We knew each other Back in the day when I was at the height of fame, you know, his whole life, his struggle was his weight. His whole life, that was his struggle. So one day, I'm delivering. I'll never forget the day. And it was in a very wealthy, gated community that I delivered to a lot. And I go up to the house with an enormous order of fast food. It was not. You know, it could have been for six. Like, it was for a lot of. Like, it was a big order.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

And I knocked on the door, and Louis answered the door, and he knew who I was. He knew it was me, and I died. I cannot tell you. And I handed him his pain, and he knew my pain. And I will never forget him for being respectful enough to let me know he knew it was me without making me feel. I remember turning. Three days that took me out. I mean, I still worked every day because I didn't have a choice not to. That took me down for three days. He had a resurgence, and I'm had like, what I would like. It was the shock. The word is shock. It was like, what is happening? What is happening here? It just was literally unbelievable. Wow. So, no, no, no. Dark. Oh, beyond dark. Never thought a chance in hell. Never thought my energy would survive it. Never thought I would ever have Jamie Lee Curtis hold me in her arms and say, you survived. Your being is real.

[Rachel Yukatel]

We found.

[Susan Powter]

Like, it doesn't matter what I drive for Uber eats now still. And what I say is, nothing has changed, but everything has changed. I don't have to say I have opportunity. I'm about to go on a major speaking tour that I'm so excited about. I have a lawyer now. I have a. Like, I. Those things are happening.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Do you have a booking agent that's an agent?

[Susan Powter]

Well, I haven't speaking to him yet, but I have a manager that I'm very, very proud to say I'm about to sign with. And he's not only transparent, decent, he's powerful as hell. And he knows what. He knows the story.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Good.

[Susan Powter]

So he's like, oh, no, we're doing this differently this time. Not to mention, you can't get away with things now, right? Because I can go on the Internet and say, hey, I haven't seen my numbers, and I just sold 900,000 books, so I'd like to see my numbers, please. Whatever the agency's name is, we couldn't do that. Come on, right? We got to give credit to the fact that 90s was a different age.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But I can imagine that a manager like, that could book you anywhere, any day of the week. Everyone wants to hear that story, because even if they don't care about the rise and the fall of a fitness and a this and a that, that story resonates with everyone about, you know, the hope, the loss, the grief, all these things, the desperation. And I think that everyone needs to hear that story.

[Susan Powter]

Thank you. And that is to be credited to the brilliant storyteller and filmmaker, because he could have woven it any. You're in the industry. You're right. It could have been salacious. It could have been, you know, pathetic. I had to trust him. But I know his mom. She's a single mom, and she raised a Lovely boy at 14 who used to watch me on the television and go, oh, my God, she's an odd one.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So how did he actually find you?

[Susan Powter]

He looked for nine months. He found an not my Instagram account. He found an old fan account. And back in the day. Day, day with Instagram, there had to be a telephone number. I've had the same phone number for years. And he. I literally. It scared the hell out of me, though. I had just delivered an Uber Eats order, not conn him. And there's only five people who have my phone number. Not because I'm so fancy schmancy, because I don't talk to. But I have four kids. Three kids and a friend. Like, who. Who has my phone number? Nobody. And so I got a text, six in the morning, I just delivered, and it said, susan powder, question mark. And I froze. And I called my friend Marianne, who's in the movie, who's been my friend for 30 years, and I. Who didn't know any of this, by the way. She didn't know Uber Eats. She didn't know anything. I didn't talk to her for years. When I told her, you don't even know, she was like, why didn't you call me? Why didn't you come stay with me? Why did. And I said I would never go stay with someone. Marriott, like, come on. But nobody knew. My kids knew and I knew. And not because I just didn't. What am I going to. Hi. I'm broke as hell, have no insurance, my teeth are falling out, and I drive Uber Eats and make maybe $80 a day. Like, that's not something you chat about, so it's just not right. Come on. I hate to laugh about it, but it's perfectly fine. We're friends. Okay? So he found a phone number, and I had Marianne call, and I called him. I didn't realize I called him at 6am he was in bed. And I was like, hi, this is Susan Powder.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And he was like, he probably jumped out of bed.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, no. He died of joy. And was like, oh, my God. Because he knew nothing. Remember that? And he said, I'm a filmmaker and I'm interested in talking to you about doing a documentary. I said, absolutely not. I said, nobody goes on camera without Botox out to here, extensions down to here. You know, I've done nothing. Like, I don't even moisturize. I do nothing. Nothing. And I said, no, I'm not going to humiliate myself. Like, it's not going to happen. And he said, listen, can I just come and meet you? And he said, I'm in Los Angeles. I'm in Vegas. And he said, can I come? I said, okay. And he said, Tomorrow morning, 10:30. I said, Fine. He said, what do you want? I said, a cup of coffee. We met immediately. I loved his vibe. When you meet Zeb, you will love his vibe like you love John Redmond's vibe the minute you meet him, do you not? Okay, well, Zeb has that vibe. And I said, oh, I like your mom.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And he didn't know anything about what?

[Susan Powter]

He knew nothing. Your life. No, he did not know what the story was. He did say he looked at my car and first of all, he said two things. He said, I knew how hard you were to find, meant something was wrong. Like he thought I was like, living in a farm in Santa Fe, like all the lesbians do and having my time. He thought I had money, royalties, things, contracts, you know, I mean, there was a lot of money generated. So he thought, you know, surely she's not, you know, whatever. He knew nothing. But he did say, he looked at my car and was like, something's up with that. It's my car. That had 276,000 miles on it. I drove it eight hours a day. Broke down every week, which would happen with a 270,000 mile car.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Is that the one we see?

[Susan Powter]

No, this is the upgraded in the new. The one Now I have the light, which we love. We love the light.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wait, explain the light. So did it.

[Susan Powter]

My son just bought it in an auction and we got it for a really good price. It only had 20,000 miles and it was a city car.

[Rachel Yukatel]

That's what I mean.

[Susan Powter]

It was a city car. And he said, mom, you know, will the light embarrass you? Do you want me to take it off? I said, no, listen, you piss me off on the Road, I will pull up behind you and turn that light on and at least frighten you for a second. Thank you, George. He did laugh this time. No, no, I'm joking. No, no. So here's. So he. He said. I said, I'm Susan Powder.

[Rachel Yukatel]

This is the same car you have.

[Susan Powter]

This my car now with the light. I love it. No, I would have driven it here, but the Uber driver who got the wrong address brought me here, Right? No, I would have driven my light car. Yeah, no, it has become a character. Yeah, no, people, when that scene in the movie, they see, I'm not going to spoil it for you. But when people are like, oh, no, not the car. Like it has become.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Anyway, so when you finally buy yourself a Range Rover.

[Susan Powter]

I will never have a Range Rover. No, no, this car will stay. But I'm getting an. I will never have a fancy car. If I do anything, I'm going to get a Volkswagen beetle redone, renovated 65 with a stick shift, like, you know what I'm saying? But so Zeb says to me, I'm meet you. That's fine. We met and we went to have ramen down on Sahara Avenue and we sat there for four and a half hours. He had a. Thank God he didn't do it on his phone. He had a pad of paper and a pen. And he said, listen, I just want to talk to you and things is going on. And I said to him, see that car? I live in that car. I'm an Uber Eats driver for nine years. His mouth literally hung open. And he just started and I told him everything, everything, everything. Then he. We had the nicest. We had it four. We didn't even eat. We did nothing. I mean, we did eventually have ramen. We were like, you know, so then I get in my car, the older one, and he said, I'll give you a call. Yeah, okay, whatever. But he wrote down every hours. I told him everything. He has a gratitude list that he a phone thing. And Jamie Lee Curtis is someone who's on it. They've known each other a long time. Zeb produced her at the James Corbin show. Everyone knows everyone in that business. Yeah, it's a great thing. And what you grateful for. It's a recovery thing. Wow. Yeah. It's a gratitude. No, it's lovely. And I don't do it, but they do it. That's fine. And he said on the thing that day, he said, I'm grateful that I found Susan Powder. Within three minutes, Jamie Lee called him and she said this. I just Want to know? Is her being the same? Is she intact as a. I don't care what the story is right now. Is it? And Zeb said, more than you could ever imagine. She said, you must do this film. And she wired money to produce the movie that day into his account.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wow.

[Susan Powter]

Jamie Lee Curtis became the executive producer. He called me back that day and he's back in la. And he said, can I come and film you tomorrow? And I said yes. And I don't know why I did. I cannot tell you why I said yes. He sat on my floor. I had no furniture, nothing. Same apartment I live in, same apartment, sat on my floor. And I walked back and forth all day and told him everything. And he filmed it. He filmed it. And then he said, I've got a cameraman, Michiel, who's from Europe. He's lovely, he's safe, He's a lovely man. And Leah, who's the most brilliant editor on the planet Earth. And he said, we would like to do this movie. And they came back and started filming immediately.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So then did you have to retell the story or when we hear you kind of narrating stuff? Is that that moment where he.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, everything is that moment. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is what he says to everyone as a filmmaker. Susan is a unicorn, talent to work with. The good news is there's never a line read. She never does anything twice. And none of it is scripted or produced. None of it. He said the bad. You miss it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right?

[Susan Powter]

Like so. We just filmed and filmed and filmed. Here's the interesting thing that nobody knows. This is a scoop. They might. It is. It's a scoop. I just popped the pee, George. I hope that's okay for you. Anyway, I didn't tell anyone I was shooting this movie. Marianne knew, even my children. I didn't tell anyone for the first nine months. I didn't tell anyone until I knew it was real. I didn't say anything. So when my grandma grandson was four, he's now six, came down for his fourth birthday. Cause we met each other two years ago, Zeb and I, we filmed it for the year and blah, blah, blah, it's been a year in the business of getting it out and all that crap. I went to my grandson's fourth birthday party, went right back. Cause we were filming all night. And my sons never knew I was filming a movie. When I knew it was real and I knew we have a movie, I called my oldest. I told my middle son, Kyle first. I did tell him in December Before I told anyone. Cause I was like, merry Christmas. Guess what? What? And whatever. But I said, don't tell anyone. Don't tell your brothers. But I'd already been filming it for, like, six months. I called my oldest son. I said, listen, I just want to tell you a couple things. I got a few things to tell you. He was like, yeah, mom, what? What's up? You know, Uber driver, what's up? I said, well, I. I've been filming a movie. No. And he was like, a what? I said, a movie? He said, about what? What are you talking about? With whom? What? And I was like, well, Jamie Lee Curtis and Zebra. He was like, what did you just. But I wanted to wait until it was real. You understand that? I'm not going to go, hey, I've got a move and it's bigger than real. The reception to this movie has been magnificent. I mean, you should see. The comments are just like. I watched it three times. I can't even believe it. I stood in front of the mov. The screen because I didn't want to miss one minute. What power. Thank you so much. My mother's going through the same thing. My aunt had to say. I understand it. Thank you for giving voice to something. And what Zeb said is. They said it the other day on World of Wonder, Fenton, who's an amazing man, you should meet him. He owns World of Wonder. He's fabulous. We did a thing, and he said, she's like a dream to work with because she doesn't question a thing and just answers everything honestly. But we have brilliant cinematographer McKeel, we have a genius editor, Leah, and Zeb is a very talented.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So this time, you have an amazing team around you that obviously wants to represent you in a way that it's not even. Like they have to put a nice spotlight on you. You're doing it on your own. They're just giving you the platform.

[Susan Powter]

And I appreciate you so that it's not. I do it all. And I can do. When I realized it was two years before I left. Stop the. When I found out about the money thing, that was the end. Like, that day, it was the end, and I had a new baby. I was like, are you kidding? You're making millions on me. And you're. Oh, you're padding. Like, what are you doing? And just lying and stealing and the whole thing. But two years before that, I knew they were producing me out of me. Because when it makes really an enormous amount of money, they start. What Suze means is we need to wear this outfit, we need to. But we need to wear the leisure suit. When I've. I don't know. Even when I did Time Warner videos, I've taught thousands and thousands. My exercise classes. You. And I could do a class right now, it'd be, I am the best. Like, I teach.

[Rachel Yukatel]

That's what I wanna know. Like, are you gonna go start?

[Susan Powter]

No, I'm gonna do my own videos and. Own them and sell them 100%. No, I teach. Thank you, George. George is giving me the thumbs up.

[Rachel Yukatel]

In a big way, by the way. Why? Like, people would be paying you a lot of money to go from city to city. Well, I'm gonna do headline.

[Susan Powter]

I'm 100% gonna do a tour master. But now, here's the good news. This is why I'm telling you, the younger ones and the talented ones, you don't understand the power. I know what it is. It's violence, porn, guns. I get it. It's patriarchy. I know what the Internet is. I know it's vile and horrifying and dark. Webby. But what it also is, is a miracle. And I'll tell you why I did everything. So we don't need the jewel cases, the DVDs, the 10 production companies, the. I can do digital products and own them. You can just download them. And I can teach it from my kitchen. Totally. I'm really good at what I do. Like, just. And I can do it from a cell phone.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

No. And that's where things are now. And I was born. One of the things. I was really sad that my energy may die. That made me sad. I was really sad that my family. That this was gonna be the. Like, it's gonna be, you know, mom's an Uber driver and, you know, didn't make it, you know, whatever, right? I didn't want that to be the story of my family. I did not want that to be the story. I was really sad. But I was also super sad that I wasn't going to get to take advantage of a medium that I was born to do.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

I'm live. I answer any question. I tell the truth. And I was in a huge deposition because they were suing us for something. There's a million lawsuits, and then. A million. A million. A million. A million. My last legal bill was six and a half million dollars, and I didn't even know what it was about. Six and a half million.

[Grainger Advertiser]

Wow.

[Susan Powter]

That was one of, like, 10. Okay, so lawyers, accountant. Come on. I mean, it was big, big game we were playing. A big, big game here. So it wasn't, you know, stupid little woman can't handle her money. That's not what was happening. But they were producing me out of me. And I knew it. I knew that the original energy was being muted and that I wasn't allowed to expand it and grow it because I. The original saying was, stop, it's mine. I made it up. Stop the insanity. Comma. What insanity would you like to talk about? What insanity would you like to talk about? Because, like, let's discuss it. So they never let that end. It was fitness guru. Fitness guru. Fitness guru. Jumping jacks. Jumping jacks. Jumping jacks. They just didn't. And that's what was making them money. So they were like, don't talk about anything else, kid. So I knew that was happening. It didn't I say in the book. I did not go from Hollywood to Harbor Island. I worked jobs. I did whatever. I was fine. I'm not fancy. I don't need to be someone. I wasn't trying to be a personality. Not the first time and not the second time. That's why people respond. They're like, oh, she's normal as hell.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

And just knows what she's talking about. Okay, well, that's good. Well, this Internet, I will tell you. Young, talented woman, everything to me is the Internet. It's everything. I can control everything. You want to know who I am? Go to my Instagram, go to my TikTok. It's all I'm doing is Instagram and TikTok. That's it. Just go, go, go, go.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But how great is it that you don't have to go to a studio? It's not about hair and makeup. It's you. Real raw, 100. That's what resonates now.

[Susan Powter]

Well, and I can do it from my kitchen. Yeah. So products.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Which, by the way, that resonated then. It's just that it took all this other stuff.

[Susan Powter]

Well, it had to go through 15 layers of crap, 85 layers of accountants, lawyers, and everything else. And then when corporations got involved, they were like, well, I was told not to use Stop the insanity because people will think I'm calling them insane. I said, people aren't that stupid. Then I was told when I came out with the American Medical association, it's not mine. It's the AMA's fat formula to tell you how to read a label. They said, women don't do math. You can't use that. Women don't. And I was like, okay, well, you're talking to a Woman. And I do do math and I hate you. Like, that's it. Okay? I was told every step of the way, you don't even know. Like, she can't. And then when I said. Which I will say right now, let me just say this. Without oxygen, you die. It is the only ingredient. It's the most vital ingredient in wellness. And it's the only thing you can't live without on the planet Earth for five minutes. And what I said was, hold your breath for four minutes and see how well you're doing. You'll be brain dead by then. They said you can't do standards and practices came down. The lawyers came down. They said, you can't say that because someone will hold their breath and die. And I said, anyone that's stupid should. Yeah, you're gonna. What I'm saying is, without oxygen is the only thing you can't live without for more than five minutes. It is the most vital ingredient in wellness. Nobody talks about it. And fat burns in oxygen. So when I heard those three things, I was like, oh, that's how I burn all this fat off. That's how you can. Everyone listening. I don't care who you are. Your body burns fat. I don't care who you are. You can build lean muscle mass. I don't care who you are. Heart muscle. Heart muscle. You can strengthen your heart muscle. I don't care who you are. You can activate a metabolic rate. They said you give too much information. Women won't understand it. They told me that over. Stop talking. Stop explaining. You don't have to use actual words like lean muscle mass. I was told that over and over and over again. Well, different age, boys, right? And she's back.

[Rachel Yukatel]

She's back.

[Susan Powter]

So thank you, George.

[Rachel Yukatel]

This is so exciting. So your show is out. Your docu series is out. Are you. What's next?

[Susan Powter]

Like, well, if the documentary is out. Oh, yeah. I've got a book that I own. You can get it on Amazon. It's called and Then Em Died. Stop the. A memoir. It's a letter to my dead dog. Em was my dog. That's why I named it. It's an odd little memoir that literally is a letter to my dead dog. And it explains every detail of. Because it. I didn't. Didn't write a memoir. I was writing down the chronology of the last 10. 10 years. That's what I started with because I didn't think I was going to make it. Wow. I didn't write a memoir. And then Zeb contacted me and I Was like, oh, I've got like 87 files of like the whole story. But it's the stuff it turned into like from a kitchen here to the kitchen in Garland, Texas. So I got to tell the story of Garland, Texas. Nobody knew this. Stripping the babies, all that stuff. I got to tell that story. Then the second marriage that lasted about 40 seconds. And then how the studio and I tell the home show. I tell the story up until the documentary tells the story of Stop the insanity and the last 10 years. We're not going back to Garland, Texas. I mean that would be a Ford Coppola film. That would be ridiculous. Or Cameron, what's his name, who's just doing another 90, you know, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cameron, what's his name? I think that would be James Cameron.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, James Cameron.

[Susan Powter]

James Cameron.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I'm curious because you talked before about you've had some big love affairs.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, I have the most passionate love affairs. Do you?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Is that something you want in the future or. Because you seem like you have a very small world on purpose.

[Susan Powter]

Well, first of all, listen, 68 doesn't mean you don't make love anymore. Doesn't mean you're all dried up and over. That's all bullshit. I mean, that's. We're more passionate now, especially as women, than we ever, ever, ever were. I mean, forget about this is like I never will have a. I don't ever want to live with another human being, boy or girl. I will never ask an opinion of. Should I buy that sofa? Never. I'm never gonna have a sofa. But never. I'm never gonna ask. I don't wanna. I don't want that.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wait, what do you mean you're never gonna have a sofa?

[Susan Powter]

Cause I'm moving into an rv. I'll never live in an apartment, a condo or a house.

[Rachel Yukatel]

If all of a sudden this makes you.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, I'll make a gazillion dollars. I'll be living in an rv.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Because you just prefer to live that way.

[Susan Powter]

Oh yeah, I like very tiny. Got it. I'm gonna buy land. I have a whole plan. I'm gonna buy land. I'm gonna have more animals than Noah. I'm gonna have animals, not humans.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I was just gonna.

[Susan Powter]

Not yet. I have not. I'm died. And when I get my rv, the first thing I'm doing is going to a rescue and getting another dog. First thing I'm doing. Because she was a well trained, big trained. I mean she was my dog. You'll see, I'll send you A picture of him, the best dog. I mean, I'm not even a dog. I'm not one. I never have been, but this. I think about that dog every day. I've lost like parents. I don't think about my dog. I'm telling you, that's why I wrote. No, she was my dog. We were one and do you know. Wanna hear a reincarnation?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Tell me.

[Susan Powter]

Cause it's true. I was in a trailer park here in Vegas, living in a old beat up camper. Things were good then. The story of that is all in the book too. Just so you know. I'm not jumping. You guys will know the story because I wrote it. Em was alive. That's great. And one of the tourists that came in was from Germany. He's still my friend, even though we never talk, but he's my friend and he with. I wish I could do a heavy German acc. But he came by my camper and he said, is that your doggy? Is that your doggie? And I said it is. And he said, she was your horse in past lives and you, you died in. In battle together. And what I used to always call em is, you're my horse. You this big head. She was a big dog, like this big head of yours. You're like my horse. You're like my horse. I always said that to mj. Always said it. And the reason her name was MJ is because I adopted her from a pound and a rescue. And the women, she was such a great dog. When she was like 2 months old, the woman named her after her mom, MJ. And so I kept the name MJ but I said, m so. And he said, that was your horse. She went down in battle with you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

That must have followed you.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, no, no. I knew it. Then she died. Destroyed me, George. It destroyed. No, no. Never in my life. I've been so sad not to make it about me.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I want to tell you though, I have three dogs.

[Susan Powter]

No, I want to hear dogs.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I have three dogs. And I had my. Just sidebar. I was engaged to somebody who was killed and I got a dog. We had a dog that we got together three weeks before who died of distemper. And I was.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, that is a bad way to go. It's terrible.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And I don't ever talk about this story very much, but he. Andy was my fiance's name. We got this dog and we were leaving for Greece and the dog died like the day before. We had to put it down and we went to dinner. After we left the Hospital.

[Susan Powter]

Horrifying.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And I was devastated. Sad, by the way. I got. Got the dog. And he had forbidden me to get a dog. And of course, I saw this dog in a New York City window, and I said, I have to have this dog. I brought it home. And of course, he was furious. And I said, give it one week.

[Susan Powter]

Just.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And he would make. He made me get a cage. And I put the cage by the bed. And then when the lights went out, I would, like, lean over, grab the dog, put him right here. Like he didn't know.

[Susan Powter]

Every night, Em and I slept. I have a picture of her paw on my belly button tattoo. Her big, fat paw. Yes. Every night she slept in my. But of course she did.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So three weeks in, she gets Mickey, starts to get seizures, dies, long story short. And Andy at dinner says, rachel, everything happens for a reason. I'm like, I don't believe that. Stupid. You know, whatever. What could be that reason? This was an innocent little puppy. And he says, listen, you have to remember, you had Mickey. We had Mickey for a month. Mickey didn't know that he was supposed to live maybe 14 years. This was his whole life, and you were his whole life. And he lived in a amazing life. That was it. That's how long he was supposed to live. And it was meant to be that he found you to love him for that month.

[Susan Powter]

For that month.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, so fast forward. We go to Greece. The day after I get back from Greece, my fiance is killed. And it was terrible. So I went to the same dog store, and I said, my fiance's been killed by terrorists. My dog died. It was in September 11th that he died.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, my God.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I said, I need a dog. So they said you could pick any dog you want. They thought I was crazy, right?

[Susan Powter]

And you sure did need a dog.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. So they let me pick. And I looked around, and there was this Brussels griffin. I don't know if you know what they are. They're the dog from the movie as Good As It Gets. And his eyes went this way each way. And he was so ugly, and he was black, and he was little. I said, I'll take that dog. And I named him Rudy Giuliani.

[Susan Powter]

Brilliant. Fabulous. Fabulous. Okay, got it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I brought him home. I didn't really even like him at the beginning. I had him for 20 years, and he was the man.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, wait, I need a moment here. 20 years. How lucky you were.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

How lucky you were.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

Like, I understand that. How did he die? How did he die? How did Rude die? Old age.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Old age.

[Susan Powter]

And had a life with you. You loved him.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He could see, he couldn't hear. I kept him alive. He had a stay of execution for six years. And when he finally went, I knew it was the time. And I called someone in the middle of the night and they came and put him to sleep. But I will tell you, Spool back a year after Andy died. I had a sort of breakdown. And I went to a retreat in Brazil and I had this roommate there. And I woke up in the middle of the night and I said, oh, my God. Her name was Susan. I said, susan, Susan, I have to tell you. I know why Mickey died. And she's like, why the. Who the fuck is Mickey? And she didn't even know me. We were put together. I said, I know why Mickey died. Mickey died so Andy could be the one to teach me the lesson that no one's supposed to live. You can't imagine that. Andy should have lived till he was, you know, 90. And I could have been married to him and I had this whole life he was supposed to. Mickey died so Andy could teach you that lesson of I'm okay, I lived.

[Susan Powter]

And when you got that, were you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I was healed. You were healed. I mean, listen, I'm not still to this day. I'm not healed. About losing my fiance.

[Susan Powter]

Was there peace?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Peace. Total peace.

[Susan Powter]

In a retreat. In a retreat. That's kind of good.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But peace knowing that, like, everything happens for a reason. And these dogs meant so much. Rudy met so fast forward. I have these three dogs now. And they are my life. I've had. My fiance died. My father died of a cocaine.

[Susan Powter]

People don't understand that connection.

[Rachel Yukatel]

It's not like when a dog dies. I couldn't get out of bed for a week. I still think about it.

[Susan Powter]

I know I talk to Em almost every day. And I didn't have any money when she died. It was a very sudden. That's why I say it. And then the opening. The book. The opening of the book is, Dear Em, we lived in a lot of places, you and I. The last we lived. I couldn't and wouldn't have lived because they were too dangerous for you to be there all day while I worked and for me to live there. But I had no other choice. And you were dead. That's the opening paragraph of my book.

[Rachel Yukatel]

How did your dog die?

[Susan Powter]

Most horrible. I didn't.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, do I wanna know?

[Susan Powter]

No, you don't wanna know. Oh, gosh. Cancer. Bad. Instant bad. Couldn't walk. Fell down. I mean, I'm talking about. I Was like, what's wrong? Felt a lump that you have never. That night before. I didn't feel. I didn't feel it. Walked into the vet. Lovely woman here on Charleston. I didn't have any money. My son paid for it. It was, you know, back in the day, like. Like, I've got so much now. And by the way, vets, I'm telling you what you need to do for a living. You need to become a vet because they make a damn fortune. Oh, my God. And I know people with their dogs, but it's not like you got a human life that you got. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you can. They make a fortune, those damn vets.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I remember in the 20 years having Rudy begging, crying. I will do anything. If I had $1,500 in my bank account, I would have given it 100%. That was it.

[Susan Powter]

No, no. If there was any way to save Em, and I had. But she. She came back in and she. Within a second, she was like, it. There's no point. And I. I tell you, want to cry. The three pages in is the story of em dying. You know, I've got you a book. Three pages in. I'm just telling you now, your heart will be cracked open, and you will die from sadness and joy, like, instantly, because it's a story of her death. And I. Yeah, I didn't realize what the blanket was for, that they brought her in. And then when they And I. I've always said that if I choose to die, I'm going to a vet and getting euthanized. Because they were lovely that, you know, they sedated her first. No, no. They said. I. I was holding her head, stroking her velvety big fat ears like. I was like, you're the best. I just kept telling her, what a doll.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, you're everything.

[Susan Powter]

You're the best. We're going down. I'm gonna keep going. And every day. You want to hear wild. I didn't even realize this, but it's true, because I didn't know I was down near Circus Circus. I wasn't. And I just had to find a vet that was open on Saturday, and I didn't know where it was. And it was way up on Charleston, where I drive now, close to that, but I didn't know. I didn't put it together for, like, two years. I don't know what vet I took MJ to. And I got an order like, a year ago, and I deliver all over town. And I pulled into the parking lot And I just instantly started crying. It was where she died. So every day that I passed that vet. Now that I know. And I went and looked at the build like that was the place. Like that was the place. And every day I pass it, I go, love you, Em. Love you every day. Love you, Em. Every time I pass it, I hope.

[Rachel Yukatel]

That eventually you will have whatever.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, I'm getting another. I'm getting an RV and a dog and some land and a million other animals. Good.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Where were you the first day you watched the documentary?

[Susan Powter]

I've never seen the documentary. What do you mean? Never seen the movie. Never seen a monitor. Never. Jamie Lee is very proud of this. And thank you, Jamie Lee.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wait, you don't even know what we're watching about you.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, I know what I filmed. I know the story.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But you don't know how it was put.

[Susan Powter]

No, I chose not to watch it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Will you ever.

[Susan Powter]

Never. Why I did it because I don't watch any of my old stuff. I never read a book that I wrote. I've never. I didn't do the Letterman show and watch what I did. I don't watch.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I understand that.

[Susan Powter]

No, no. You know what I'm talking. I don't like. I know. I know the story. I know what the beginning. I know what he shot. I know the documentary. Cause I did it. So I know the scenes. I mean, I know the scene with my son. Cause I shot it. And I know how intense it was. Cause I told the truth as a mother. I know the scene with the. You know, the hair. Because I shot it. I'm never gonna. And when Jamie heard that, she. She was just like, wow. And that's when they said, what a dream for a film. She didn't. I didn't ask him to look at a monitor. I didn't see what I look. I. What am I gonna look what I look like? I don't wear makeup with a. With a movie. It's not a docus. It's a movie. Yeah. There's a movie camera up my nose. Yeah. I didn't have any makeup on. Yeah. Look, you can see my teeth are not great. Like, I. I just did it. I just did it. And here's how I know how brilliant it is. Because we've done a ton of screenings. We've done a ton of film festivals. I'm grateful to say we've had tons of audiences see the movie premieres in New York, Louisiana. Just did one. The first time my son saw the movie was two weeks ago, Wednesday in Vegas. And never seen it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And what did they say to you?

[Susan Powter]

Are so proud.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Good.

[Susan Powter]

They are so proud. They are. My son, unsaid was right. He was talking about a friend who has a mom that's having a hard time, but it's because her mom. It's because the mother is. She pills and things and blame. And I need. And I'm not. And I'm not. And he said, that's a story of addiction and a family being heavily affected and a victim who just keeps victimizing. He said, your story is the story of hard work. Work in redemption. We're so proud. Like, there's some. I never didn't work. Not one day did I not work.

[Rachel Yukatel]

What was the worst job you ever had?

[Susan Powter]

I think one of the craziest, because it wasn't the worst of me. I kind of really liked it is I. I was the head fry cook in the deep fried lasagna tent at state fairs. I. I followed the state fairs and I. I did deep fried lasagna at the state fair. I loved it because I love the carney people. I love carney people. I would join the carnival, like, tomorrow.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay.

[Susan Powter]

Like, I would do, like, when the tents would blow down, like a storm would come in. Everyone came here. We'll give you the equipment. We'll get. It's a. I like the carney people. I got along, you know, we'd smoke weed, do whatever, fry lasagna. Everything was great. And they paid a lot of money.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay.

[Susan Powter]

You worked affairs, you get cash. Good. And it's a crap ton of cash. I did. There isn't a job I haven't done. I think the worst, most humiliating one is I delivered mattresses once. And the men that I was working with. Cause I was much. I mean, whatever, 58. Whatever. I was, you know, 15. I don't know when the hell it was. It was a while back. My son was 14 or something. He's 27. I don't know. The only chronology I know is based on the age of my children. That's all I know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

I don't keep track of years, but I was delivering mattresses, and they were heavy. Big. Like, big.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

And the men that I was working with really tried to humiliate me. Like, they. The strength and the. You know, because they knew I was older. And, you know, it was for $10 an hour, and they just made going up the stairs really difficult, you know, opening the door really with a big, huge kick, like, can you do it? Are you capable of doing it? You know? And Sitting in the truck with the boy jokes. And that was the grossest job I think I've done. But I've done everything.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So right now, besides this potential of, like, the speaking engagements and the this and then that, you are still driving for Uber Eats.

[Susan Powter]

I drive for Uber Eats. I live in the same apartment, I drive the same car, and I put money in the envelope every chance I get.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You still have the envelope?

[Susan Powter]

Oh, 100%. By the way, we're giving away all the scenes of the movie, so. So everyone listening. I'm gonna keep doing it. Cause I'm not stopping talking. But for everyone listening, I hope we don't. Spoiler alert. Anything. But no, no, the envelope is still there and I save every penny I get and I'm safe. Listen, nothing has changed. But everything has changed. Absolutely everything else. I have hope. I have really good people around me. If I need anything, it's there. My children are proud as hell. I have a movie that's number one in the country right now in documentaries. Doesn't get better than that for an indie film. I love my book. It's selling and I. I get money from that every month. So if you want to do anything to. I don't. I'm not a. Yeah, I was going.

[Rachel Yukatel]

To say, how could people help you?

[Susan Powter]

Oh, just buy my book and read it and join me on social media. Come and follow and watch my stuff and tell me you're there. I check those things like a lunatic. I wake up every day joyously reading every comment. Joyously. It's interaction. I was extraordinary. The one thing Zeb does say, he. He says, you know, when I first met you in that restaurant, he said you were like Nell in the woods. Remember Jody Foster? Like Nell. And. Well, you probably don't know your young thought about that for a while. Like, I was like, there are people. I was incredibly isolated, abnormally ice. And women know that invisibility. When you get older and, you know, people call it empty nest. Listen, I did my job. I got adult living their life. It's not an empty nest. It's like everything's changed. Like, that used to be my thing for 25 years. They're not, you know, and I'm not the average, you know, mother, and I'm not a doormat. Like, there are major shifts that nobody talks about. My mother couldn't utter the word menopause one generation ago. We. It's you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

We.

[Susan Powter]

I couldn't sit and talk to you. A talented, beautiful, successful woman. And we could talk about anything and tell the Truth.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

Who has that privilege? I understand this day and age because I came from the 90s because I did lose everything I did. And I have gratitude now that's like I don't retreats and all that. I'm not that person like on any. And I don't believe in the, you know, I don't believe in any of that stuff. I'm very pragmatic. But something's up that's happening that I'm not gonna say isn't being guided. And I, I, I believe Emma's involved, my dog is involved. I totally believe that.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And has everyone been kind to you on this journey? I mean like you're meeting all these new people because coming from a place where you've been not a recluse but you've been.

[Susan Powter]

No, I've been as close as you get.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

Do you. I don't talk to, I'm very like, I, I can do huge crowds if you're, you know, like I do Q&As after. I love a microphone and an audience. It's just natural and I love it and.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But then you've got to go home.

[Susan Powter]

Oh no, no. I, I'm never gonna be around. I don't, I don't go out to dinner with, I don't, I don't chat. I'm like, I'm not the one you want at dinner.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

You know, I'll be talking about Monsanto and how they're poisoning the food and this farm to table stuff is $45 and I can make it for 12 cents and mine's better. Like I'm not, I'm not a chatter. I don't socialize and I'm 70 years old. I'm happy.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

And I have a chance to work. I like working. I'm a worker bee. I like working. And I got a chance to do the work I love. I get a chance to do it properly and again. And I'm gonna do. I'm gon one more time when you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I love this.

[Susan Powter]

Thank you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

When you start doing this and the money starts to come in and you don't need your envelope up in your closet and you, you will you still. How long will you do Ubereats? Like do you love doing this now?

[Susan Powter]

Well, I love the privilege of being able to die behind the wheel. I love not being at Walmart as a greeter. I can tell you that. Well, that's the only other job they give you. I mean honestly, as a 68 year old woman. Yeah. I'm not I love having not taken answer to anyone. I'm very grateful for gig work. Like, you know, a lot of people, like, oh, it's crap. And you. No, I'm really grateful. Like, if I can go out and make a hundred bucks or eighty bucks and pay my own damn bills, and if I need help, my sons help me. If I. But I don't. That's fine. No, I'm going right from this, probably in a couple months, right to an rv. Good. I'm gonna be in an rv.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And you'll always stay in Vegas.

[Susan Powter]

I'm gonna stay in Vegas for a minute, and then I'm gonna start looking for land. But when I say an rv, I mean fully hooked up, up on the Internet. So I'm gonna do my own Show Daily. Like Mr. Rogers in Neighborhood. I'll get up in the RV. You know what I'm doing? I'm gonna press a remote, and I'll have my coffee and whatever I eat. My prescription with wellness comes in. Eat, breathe, move, and think. Just here, I'll show you what I'm eating. I don't care. Like, do it. I'll show you how to do it. I'm not gonna do a cooking show or. And the recipe is. I said, I did something live the other day where I made this great thing, and I just went on live, and I was like, oh, my God, this is great. And I started off by saying, I'm not gonna show you how to chop an onion. You know how to chop an onion?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

Like, I'm not. I've chopped an onion. I've chopped some celery. I'm making a soup base. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. And then you chop it up, and then. I'm not doing that. Like, you're too smart for that. Yeah. So it's just living. So my. I will be. My goal in life is to be 24 hours live online.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wow.

[Susan Powter]

That's my goal in life, and I can do that tomorrow if I want.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

I need two more cell phones, a little suction thing. Yep. And an rv. Yeah. I will never live if you. If you gave. I just went to Kathy. Love Kathy Griffin, by the way. Love you, Kathy Griff. I just went up to Kathy's house in Malibu and did her podcast, and she's the loveliest person ever, and so prepared and so smart that it would shock people. I'm telling you, she's been on the show then, you know, she's just the best. She's just been around forever. She's worked that system. She's smart as hell. But I said, if she has the most beautiful house you've ever seen in your life at the top of a mountain in Malibu. But I said if you gave me this, I would only take it to sell it the next day. I would never live in a house, a condo, or an apartment again.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wow.

[Susan Powter]

No, never. I am a RV gal and I want to be on the land. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to buy land probably in 10. I'm looking at Tennessee and Virginia. Not expensive. I only want three acres. I don't. I'm not. I'm not talking about a thousand acres of land. You could do that tomorrow. Like things. I don't have to make $8 million to do what I want to do. And then, you know the way to stay rich. The shark kids said this, the way to stay rich is to not change your lifestyle and just hoard the cash.

[Rachel Yukatel]

That's right.

[Susan Powter]

Well, that's what I'm going to do. Okay, that's fine. But I'm. Here's what I'm going to do. And probably now I'm doing it. Now I'm talk to RV people, I'm talking to managers. All this stuff. I'm going to get only a 19 foot. I want used. I don't want new. First thing I'm going to do is paint it China red. The whole thing. China red. I'm going to reupholster the whole thing because I don't like plaids and boy colors and, you know, RV things. Then I'm going to hang crystals everywhere, Christmas lights everywhere. I'm going to get a dog and I'm going to be there. I'll park in an RV park in Vegas for a couple of months and spoke out while I look for my land. When I get my land, here's what my land is going to look like. It's going to have trees, a stream, a lot of green, lot of beauty. It's going to have five antique. Antique, because they won't let you pull into an RV park if the rig is not 10 years because they don't want people living there in junk. So that's a rule. You can't stay anywhere. I'm gonna have five antique, very antique redone trailers in a circle. There's gonna be a monster fire pit. It will be an outdoor kitchen, an outdoor bathroom, and thousands of animals. And my goal is to have a pack of 20 dogs trained to kill good. There'll be military trained to kill. And if you not invited, I would not suggest you stop by the land I love. It would not be smart. So you're on the invitation list. You can come have dinner with me around the damn fire pit. Thank you. And you know, one of the trailers is going to be the library. One is going to be my bedroom. One is going to be a guest room. Different trailers. One is going to be whatever. I'm just going to have different pods in a circle.

[Rachel Yukatel]

My fiance owns a bunch of security companies, one of which is a canine company for weapons detection.

[Susan Powter]

We love that.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So the one. The ones that don't make it into the weapons program will give you.

[Susan Powter]

No, I send Zeb. Then your fiance and I will have to meet because I send Zebariah Newman. Obsessively. What I watch on TikTok is military trained dog videos. I watch them obsessively with weaponry and all. And I send it to Zeb. I'm like, I want this. And these are the dogs that walk between your legs. That when. That's my goal in Life to have 20 of them.

[Rachel Yukatel]

We can help you with them.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, of them. Good. Well, the fiance. Mazel. Yeah. Even though I just said God help you getting married again. I hope it goes well. I do. And fiance, I hope it goes really well for the both of you. And love is good. Love is good. Be in love. It doesn't work out. Just don't get nasty and disgusting.

[Rachel Yukatel]

No, I know.

[Susan Powter]

And that's just don't get them.

[Rachel Yukatel]

We've all been through that.

[Susan Powter]

Well, yeah. Yeah. We're done with the same thing.

[Rachel Yukatel]

For me, I'm someone who I want to witness to my life. You know what I mean? I feel like that's important.

[Susan Powter]

Well, also, you're younger. It's different. Listen, I was in. I felt love, love, love. Passion, passion, passion. Oh my God, the story I have. I'm talking about making love in the middle of the woods in an antique bathroom where 7,000 women. Oh, no, I'm talking about passion filled. No, no, I'm talking about crazy shit. I'm talking about loving and driving all miles and meeting up in Asheville North. Yeah, just. I mean, I'm talking.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wait, do you think you'll ever be on like bumble?

[Susan Powter]

Oh, God, no, I wouldn't. No, no, I will never date. No, I don't.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, you don't care about that? No. But it may happen.

[Susan Powter]

No, no, no, no, he won't.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Not that. But I mean, love.

[Susan Powter]

No, no. But love for me. I just said it recently and I mean it. And as a matter of fact, I will say this because I told her I was talking about you. I would say that I have right now a passionate love affair going on. That is intellectual. She's a master. Beautiful food, like, just. I mean, this woman glows like the sun. It is the connection with food and the beauty of food. And, like, she just sent me two days ago this box from her garden.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, wow.

[Susan Powter]

Like, it's ridiculous. And then there was a beautiful little note handwritten with a feather in there because she knows we talk about Mary Oliver's poems, and that's a love affair. I mean, it doesn't have to be sexual. I know what you mean. I mean, I was on a show. It is beauty and it's sensuous. And every time I see anything, she grows or makes I smile. Like, I just love. And we met through whatever. It doesn't even matter. But it's not. No, I don't want a girlfriend or a boyfriend. That's stupid to even say. I don't want a girlfriend.

[Rachel Yukatel]

No.

[Susan Powter]

But I think that when you get older and a man wants. Said to me. I was on a live show panel, and I was being me and telling the truth, and he said into the microphone, and this was a live audience, and it was years ago, and he said, what you need is a good man. And I said, well, honey, when you can vibrate 35 times a second, give me a fucking call, okay? I just knocked George out for some reason. That just wiped. That's what I said. And you know what? The audience. I got a standing ovate. No, I got a standing ovation. Oh, good. And that was Mr. Man who I was like, when you can. Honey, when you can vibrate 35 times a second, give me a ring. The women just went crazy. No, because that's the. Like, come on. Sensuality is we really boiling it down to patriarchy telling us. And then I'm gonna go, ooh, ooh, ooh. And that's it. No, no, we don't. Oh, that's great. And lesbian is much more expanded to make love as a lesbian is very, you know, days and nights and experimental and, you know, it's not just about. That's not what it is.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So it's not just sizzling.

[Susan Powter]

It's better. Oh, and it's not just. No, I mean, the sobbing lesbian spooning thing is just. No, no, no. It's great.

[Rachel Yukatel]

All right. I'm probably still not gonna try, but.

[Susan Powter]

I'm hoping for you about. No need. Listen, you can come Hang out with me and my lesbians, but they won't be on the land.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Don't worry. Okay, fine.

[Susan Powter]

That's good.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm curious what someone like you does. Okay, so you get up, you're doing your work, you do your Uber.

[Susan Powter]

Got my shift every day at 5. Because I like the mornings. I like the mornings. What I say in the book is, I like the mornings because I get to watch everything wake up. And I've seen, like, I know the people on the street. I like. I do the same thing. Got it. So I've seen. I see Vegas come to life. I know who's living on what street corner. You know, I, I.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You feel safe, kind of.

[Susan Powter]

In what? You know, I love the mornings. People aren't before it all starts. Yeah. And then lunch, I go. And then if I have to work because I need to make money, you know, dinner, I'll work the dinner shift. But I'm. I have a. You know, I. I do art, I knit. I. You know, I got a. I saw.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You collect those Vegas palms.

[Susan Powter]

Yeah, my Vegas palms, which, by the way, are getting. Thank you. A hell of a lot of attention, which, again, shocked the hell out of me.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

I pick them up from the street. They're the palm husks. They're not called husks. They're called something else. I call them husks that blow off every time we have wind. And I see a beautiful one that I know. And I started making books, bustiers out of them.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, I saw them. Like, bustiers.

[Susan Powter]

They're like chest plates, you know, breastplates. And I see them as warrior things. And I collect trash. Like, I love paper and trash things.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

When I drive past a dumpster, it is danger. Like, I'm like, oh, my God. See those? I could be a hoarder very easily. No, no. I could be hoarding paper, cardboard boxes, like, but I don't. I'm very organized and very clean, but I could be a hoarder very easily.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And then you go home at night and do you. You. You don't have a tv, you said.

[Susan Powter]

I. I have a tv, but I don't watch television. Television I like, you know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But do you stream stuff? Like, do you.

[Susan Powter]

No, I drive crying. I think everything's pretty boring. Got it. To be honest with you, I. Marianne gave me her Hulu thing. Oh, Hulu, whatever. Who cares? But, you know, I have some. There's nothing to watch.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Got it.

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[Susan Powter]

Like, I. It's just. It's like radio now.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Do you read books at Night.

[Susan Powter]

Yeah, I. I read and I knit and I, you know, putz around, but I also go to bed very early because I get up at 3:30 and 4. I like the early mornings before I feel like I'm beating the system. It's quiet, you know, I just like the energy of very. It's kind of witchy. It's kind of fab. Like, I love that vibe. And. And as you get older, you do wake up early because you got less bloody time.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

Like, you're not sleep.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm not up at 5 too. Well, yeah.

[Susan Powter]

I'm not snoozing until 1 in the afternoon. I did that when I was 20.

[Rachel Yukatel]

People that do that. I have friends that still do it.

[Susan Powter]

And I'm.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, but I'm 50, and if I've been friends with.

[Susan Powter]

You look great.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Thank you.

[Susan Powter]

I mean. No, you look too. Aren't we fabulous? 50 and fabulous. Oh, my God. 50 is like the new 12, but.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I know, but it's like. But remember when we were younger? I mean, I remember asking my aunt how old she was, and she said, 39. And I was like, oh, she's almost dead.

[Susan Powter]

Well, our grandmothers didn't look like either one of us. And you're. You're like, I'm not. I look like a bat out of hell. But, no, no, no, because I don't go do. Done. You know, I don't do that. But. But you. We are different than our grandma and our mothers. 50 used to be done for a woman.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Done.

[Susan Powter]

We're the best of the best now. It's the best time.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, it is exciting.

[Susan Powter]

Yeah, it's very exciting.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So, I mean, it's been such a pleasure meeting you. I am so excited for your future. I cannot wait to hear everything that happens and all the opportunities you are given and how you are taking control of all of it. And I think I just want to go back to one thing. You were talking, and I don't even know how I want to verbalize this, but there are so many people that are stuck in life because they're blaming other people. They can't get out of bed. There's no motivation. There's just whatever it is, it's another thing and another thing piling on. But when you look at you, you see how easy it is to just let all that stuff fall aside and be like, all right, I'm gonna take responsibility. I'm just gonna get up. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna try something.

[Susan Powter]

But do you know who I use as my Examples, my heroines. I call em my dead friends. Cause I do have a lot of friends. They're just all dead. Like, you know, I' back to like Virginia Woolf, Isadora Duncan, whatever. But the women. Joan Rivers is very dear to me in the book, I say. I say almost daily. Wwjd. What would Joan do? Not Jesus, what would Joan do? I say it almost daily. You get up, you work the back rooms in Vegas. If you're offered the job, you put your makeup on, you get the hell up, and you do it. I have that ethic and I respect those women who did. I don't know how they. I said this morning, how did you. Because I just came in from LA and I was like, oh, my God, I look like crusty and tired and whatever, but. And I said, how did Judy Garland do it? Then you had the pills and the booze and the. They did it. Those women, they are my mentors. They are the ones. I go, you get up, Susan. You get up. You get up and you put your makeup on and you put your blue jeans on and you get out there and work. I still have the damn heels on.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And we've all been there and we're all kind of still in it on any given day where you just feel depleted and down, and you hate how you look and you feel, and you hate the situation in your life, whether you're married or not. And you just have to stop making excuses and put one foot in front of the other, get up and do it. And you never know what might happen.

[Susan Powter]

Well, I would never say to anyone that's feeling that. And in that, you know, oh, you can get a movie and a book, because that is mind blowing to me. But what I can say is, hang the hell on. Get up. Hang the hell on. Because you don't know what is about to happen. You don't know how you're about to feel. You don't. And if you can activate internal wellness while you're. I know, I'm not saying get motivated. The most revolutionary thing any human being can do is internal wellness. It's a screw you. I'm gonna be. Well, I'm not gonna be sick. I'm not gonna be a victim. I'm gonna take care of my health and my body will respond appropriately. It's a. It's a power. It's a power.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And to add, you don't know how many people care about you. I mean, for you, you didn't know that all these people were gonna react the way that they're reacting hearing your story, you didn't know.

[Susan Powter]

Well, after coming back from Los Angeles the first time, a couple of weeks ago, we did a New York press thing, which I did the Today Show 35 years ago, and I just did it. And it was fab. It was like those moments of staying there, going, susan, you're okay. Like, and I can just do what I do. I just got on and did. I didn't even know I was on the air. And one of the moments which there was brilliant. I didn't even know the camera was still on. I turned to the side because I've been there before, but 30 years ago, and I saw the weather map and. And I said on camera, Al Roker iconic. And they. It just blew up because I was just organic.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Susan Powter]

But the other day I was walking to the supermarket.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Is he still doing the weather?

[Susan Powter]

Yeah, 100%. Al will never. Al's forever.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well.

[Susan Powter]

The other day I was going to the store to get my food here in Vegas. I just come back from that whole New York press thing, and I was walking into the store and I started weeping. Not crying, weep, like tears, just falling. And I said all of this. I thought my work meant nothing. I thought all the work I did meant nothing. I thought I didn't manage things right. I just thought it meant nothing for many, many, many years. And I literally had tears, you know, falling down my face. And I said, it was all out there, Susan. The work is respected. People do remember the work meant something. You were good at what you did. The kids are okay, the family's okay. And I was just like. I almost missed. Was all out there. That's what I mean for people like, you just don't know. You just. I didn't. No. And when I realized was like ointment. It was like balm B A L M. It was instant. Like, it's okay. Like, I got goosebumps. It's okay. It's okay. So, no, you don't know, because I didn't know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Susan Powter]

And no, maybe you don't get a movie or a book, but whatever, you know, whatever.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, whatever that moment is for you.

[Susan Powter]

Yeah, whatever.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Tell our listeners where they can get your book, where they can see the show.

[Susan Powter]

The movie is available on Amazon. It's available. It's available everywhere. And it's because, you know, the minute you hit number one, they're like, oh, we want it too. Which I'm very grateful for. And the response is magnificent. So please do get the movie. You can go to Amazon and get it I want you to watch it. I want everyone. I want the whole world to see this movie. And then the good news is you can come right to me on Instagram and I don't know what it is. You'll find me. I'm there. Instagram and TikTok and you tell me, watch it. You can turn the camera on and tell me what you felt, what touched you, what meant something. You send it straight to me. That's what I'm talking about. That's what you young, talented woman. That's what you can grab hold of. Not like everyone else is doing it. Not doing the same old shtick like everybody. People can get the book on Amazon. I own it. So I get every penny of what's bought, thank you very much. And watch the documentary, buy the book and come and join me on social media. Just join me on social media, like, and tell me you're there.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Last question for you. Just because it's the name of our show, what do you think is the most misunderstood thing about you?

[Susan Powter]

You. That I'm not smart. That I'm just loud and crazy and nuts and in, pardon the pun, insane. That I'm not smart. Everybody says, I didn't know you were smart. And I was like, well, what you think? Like, because I fitness loud, big. When you're a loud woman, when you're an aggressive woman, you know, you're just, whoa, whoa, little fella. Savannah Guthrie actually said that to me. She was lovely. I'm mad for Savannah Guthrie, and I don't watch t. I don't watch shows. Like, I just. I'm mad for Savannah Guthrie, But I do watch the Today Show. Now, believe me when I tell you I do. But she came up to me before the set. Number one. She watched the movie with that schedule. She watched the movie the night before, which I said, thank you so much, and she grabbed both hands and she said, susan Powder, you are so smart, with confusion in her voice. I've heard that a million times. So the most misunderstood thing I think, think is that I'm not smart.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, well, you're going to show them now.

[Susan Powter]

Oh, she's on the revenge train, kid. Believe me when I tell you, I got no problem saying that. Thank you. You're lovely. Everyone listening. Lovely. Thank you, George.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Fab.

[Susan Powter]

And I'm glad that. I'm glad I found my way here this morning. Got a little cray. Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

It's been our honor, so thank you.

[Susan Powter]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. You're lovely. Loved it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Thank you so much. For listening to Misunderstood. I'm your host Rachel Yukatel. Please be sure to subscribe to the show and give us a five star rating and review. You can support the show by joining our [e-mail] misunderstood with Rachel Yukatel. Do you have ideas for the show or want to reach out? Email [e-mail] or that's spelled M I S S. Understood. Thank you so much and I'll see you next time.

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