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Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel
From USC to Cocaine Quarterback: Owen Hanson on Power, Prison, and Starting Over
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Rachel Yucatel
Today on Misunderstood with Rachel Yucatel, the.
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Owen Hansen
Officer takes my passport and he goes, Mr. Hansen, are you bringing anything back? And for the first time in my life, I lied. I said, no, officer, I'm not. And I was like, holy shit, what a rush. From that day forward, I was chasing that rush. One of the coaches for the football team saw me working out and he's like, you need to try out for football. He made the football team. Troy Polamalu, Reggie Bush, who was dating Kim Kardashian, Matt Leinert was dating Paris Hilton. Everywhere we went out, we had like the red carpet. Everyone's seeing me in the gym and they're like, damn, this dude's fucking Jack. What are you taking it literally became this black market doctor.
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Rachel Yucatel
So cocaine becomes a thing.
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Owen Hansen
I see there's a market. I'm like, okay, what are you guys paying? They're paying $100 for a grand bag. If I get it for 20 and I sell it for 60, people are going to come to me. So I go to practice. I come back from training table with my fraternity brothers, goes, we got a problem. He goes, we're out. I said, oh, that's not a problem. That's a good problem. And then he eventually said, how would you like to do what you're doing now, but in Australia, and I'm going to pay you a million dollars a day. And El, he puts me in the Four Seasons Hotel and he's like, get a room holding this box. It's heavy. I said, uncle Louie, get over here. Now. There was 10 kilos. And 20 minutes later, he comes back with a million dollars cash. My trainer goes to the hotel that he's supposed to meet Robin Hood. And I give him 2.5 million. Three hours later, I get a phone call. I answer, he goes, we got a problem. I lost the money. They arrest Sean Carolyn, my trainer. They find the 700 grand.
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Rachel Yucatel
Robin Hood, what he had done is called the police. So you're at 3.2 that you're out to the cartel. But let's talk about prison for a minute.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
And you hear what you have. 21 years.
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Owen Hansen
21 years, I start making this protein ice cream. I built this brand in a federal prison cell. I want to be the Jeff Bezos of protein ice cream.
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Rachel Yucatel
Welcome back to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. Well, there are very few documentaries that break out of the true crime bubble and turn into a full on cultural conversation. Cocaine Quarterback is one of them. Produced by Mark Wahlberg and now streaming on amaz, the series pulls back the curtain on the life of Owen Hansen. And today he's here with us in studio. The documentary was filmed while Owen was still in federal prison. Now newly back into the world, he's sitting down to talk about what led to that moment, what it was like watching his life unfold on screen, and what he's trying to build next. Owen Hansen grew up in Redondo Beach, California. He was an athlete from a young age. He was on a volleyball scholarship at usc. But when he got red shirted, he decided that he needed to get stronger. He so one thing led to another and after using some steroids, he made it onto the USC football team. From the outside, it looked like a very familiar American trajectory. Talent, opportunity, momentum. But behind that path was a different one, forming. What began with selling steroids to teammates escalated over time, first into drugs, then into something much larger. According to federal court records, those choices ultimately led Owen into running a large scale drug trafficking and illegal gambling operation. One decision built on another. Access created opportunity, and. And eventually he found himself at the center of an operation that prosecutors described as expansive and sophisticated. He was arrested, charged, and sentenced to 21 years in federal prison. He ended up serving roughly nine and a half years. But while he was still incarcerated, his story became the subject of the Amazon docu series, Cocaine Quarterback, produced by Mark Wahlberg, a Series that pulled back the curtain on how a college athlete became a federal inmate and how ambition, environment, and unchecked momentum can completely redirect a life. Now, Owen is out, and today he is here, sitting across from me to talk about it himself. Not through court documents, not through headlines, not through his docu series, but directly. What happened, how it happened, where it went wrong, and what life looks like now after prison, after the punishment, and after the public judgment. We get into the rise, the fall, the betrayals, the mistakes, and what it actually takes to rebuild when your name is forever attached to a story like this.
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Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
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Rachel Yucatel
Because Misunderstood isn't about sound bites. It's about sitting with people long enough to understand how a life unfolds and what comes next. This is Owen Hansen. Oh, and thank you so much for coming all the way from California or wherever you are now to meet me here from Misunderstood.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. Nice to have you. Excuse me. Thanks for having me, Rachel.
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Rachel Yucatel
Of course. So where do you live right now?
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Owen Hansen
I live in California.
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Rachel Yucatel
You do? Okay. Near your dad or.
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Owen Hansen
Orange county area? My father's retired now. He's in Montana.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay. But I. I know that you just recently got out of halfway house, right?
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Owen Hansen
Yes.
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Rachel Yucatel
So, like, getting out of prison and not. And starting from zero, like, how are. What are you doing? How did you, like, get your own place?
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Owen Hansen
So I. I got released from Federal Bureau of prison in 2024, and they put me in a halfway house for 20 months and.
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Rachel Yucatel
Oh, so you could work.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah, you could work.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
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Owen Hansen
You could go to the gym and you could work.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right.
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Owen Hansen
And you could do it Monday through Saturday.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
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Owen Hansen
So I literally went every day. I would go to the gym in the morning, and then I would start making this protein ice cream.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right.
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Owen Hansen
And this. I built this brand in. In a federal prison cell, Right. And I was like, this is what I got to do.
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Rachel Yucatel
Got it.
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Owen Hansen
This is my calling.
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Rachel Yucatel
Got it. All right, so we will get there. We're going to spool back to this and what you're doing now. But I was just curious because I've had so many people on that have had to start from zero when they are such a hustler. They have this personality that they are addicted to the good life. Right. Which we all kind of are, but you really had it and lived it. So that's gotta be the hardest thing, to humble yourself.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. Very humbling. Right? Going from a million dollars a day to going to a hundred dollars a day.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
So it's a big change.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. And feeling like you have to rely on people to maybe get you there again. Must be really humbling, too.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah, definitely. I hate asking for help.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And whether it's a parent or a sibling or a woman or a friend, whatever it is, it's just. It's kind of humiliating.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
If 43 years old, you shouldn't be asking for help.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right.
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Owen Hansen
But it's. It's part of the comeback, and now I have to accept it, and people are willing to help, and I'm going to take it.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. I love that. All right, so let's start at the beginning. You're from Redondo Beach, California. You grew up with two parents, a sister. I know that at some point you. They split up, which changed your life a little bit, Right?
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Owen Hansen
I don't think a little bit. I think a lot, Right? Yeah, for sure. Like, I think as far as women in my life, I think it probably went wrong for me when my mom left and my sister was gone. I think I was 8 years old. My sister was 4. I think that's where, you know, people I talked to, you know, for the last 20 years about relationships are like. It's just. It started with your mom leaving.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And it's a tough pill to swallow. Right. But you start to realize maybe that is the reason.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
You know, I've had girlfriends. I remember breaking up with girlfriends. It was so hard to let them go. Right. Cause you're just like, fuck, it feels like I'm losing my mom again. And that's how it's been every time. Like, I'm in a relationship and I lose that person. It's like, fuck, I lost another one. Wow.
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Rachel Yucatel
So I remember you saying on your Jocu series that, like, your dad was like, we don't cry in this family. Like, let's go get the surfboard. Get the volleyball. Let's go. And you developed a love, a passion, and a talent for volleyball that actually got you a scholarship to usc, right?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. Volleyball and surfing was like our life. Right. You grew up in the South Bay, The Redondo beach, the Hermosa Beach. All you do is play volleyball and surf.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. And you got. And you were good. You were strong, you were good. But naturally all American.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. All natural. All American volleyball player. I think I was number three in the world at one time at the college. Excuse me. At the high school level. Wow. Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay. And during this time, though, I mean, I'm just so curious as I watch the docu series about, like. Cause my parents were divorced when I was 5, and I had a brother. He was a Half brother, though. And so he went and he lived with his mom in California. And I moved from Alaska. I was born in Anchorage, Alaska. I moved to New York with my mother. Didn't see him again until. Long story short, I was in boarding school. I ran away and I called him, and I was now 15, and I hadn't seen him since I was 4. So did you have any relationship with your sister or your mom after they left?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah, you know, it was strange because I'd get to see him like, twice a year. But it was hard for me because what would happen was I'd go see my mom for, like, say, Thanksgiving or Christmas, and my sister would go see my dad. It was like a swap.
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Rachel Yucatel
Oh, wow.
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Owen Hansen
I never really got to hang out with my sister. And then my sister ran away, too, at like, 16 years old, and she started using heroin. And it was like that. My poor sister, she's going through the same problem I'm going through, but she's just doing it in a different way. You know, she started using drugs. And I remember my father, he's like, man, we got to get your sister. She's on the streets of San Francisco using heroin. I'm like, oh, that's awful. Yeah, you know, she. You know, my thing was volleyball. Like, that's going to be my high.
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Rachel Yucatel
Her.
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Owen Hansen
Her high was obviously drugs. And unfortunately, you know, we had to rescue her off the streets of San Francisco and clean her up. And, you know, luckily she's clean today, but.
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Rachel Yucatel
Wow, that's great that.
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Owen Hansen
That's how she handled this. This divorce, I feel.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
Separation of our parents.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right. And do you have a relationship with your mother now?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah, you know, my mother and I, we speak once a week. We call each other on Sundays. Oh, good. She visited me maybe two or three times while I was in federal prison, which was not as much as I would like, but at the end of the day, at least I got to see her.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. And also, who knows, it may have been really hard for her to see you there.
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Owen Hansen
Oh, for sure.
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Rachel Yucatel
No doubt.
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Owen Hansen
She didn't want to be part of the documentary because it was hard for her to, you know, speak about this matter.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right, right. So, all right. For people that haven't seen the docu series yet and don't know your story and they haven't read your book, I just want to take them through. It's really an incredible story. And you're this like, kind of, you know, the anti hero a little bit, but. But you are. You've just lived this fascinating life. So you get to usc, you're playing volleyball, you get red shirted, because you're not. You don't have the. What is it? The overhead.
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Owen Hansen
The. The arm strength. Arm strength and the vertical jump.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay, There you go.
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Owen Hansen
I was playing behind an all American, and they. They redshirted me. I'm like, fuck, man. I was so. It was like, you lose your volleyball family is the same thing as losing your. Your mom. It's like that same feeling I had because this volleyball team was like my. My new family.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
You go to college and this is your bros. Yeah. And then when you get red shirt, it's like getting cut, and you're. You. You lose that family.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
I was so bummed. I went down back home, and I was like, man, what am I going to do? And I was like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna take steroids. I'm gonna. I'm gonna work on that vertical jump, right. I'm gonna work on that arm strength, and I'm gonna come back and I'm be twice as bigger and stronger.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right. And at the same time, though, I want people to understand, like, who you were. You kind collar family, right?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
You go to usc, everyone's flashy and fancy and has the black cards and the whatever from their parents. You come home and steroids are not cheap, right?
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Owen Hansen
No, expensive.
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Rachel Yucatel
So you go to Tijuana.
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Owen Hansen
I had to go to Tijuana.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay, tell that story.
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Owen Hansen
I went to the pharmacia, and I tell people I had to go down there because I couldn't afford to purchase them in America. Right. I think like, a bottle was like, $300, and I didn't have two nickels to rub together.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
So I went down to Tijuana, and It was like $20 for a vial, Right. So the markup was incredible. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna purchase this stuff here, and I'm gonna figure out a way to get it across.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I remember the pharmacia. This lady spoke perfect English, so I didn't have to speak Spanish. And she's, like, laying out all these vials of testosterone and sipionate and propionate stuff I've never even taken or heard of. And then she's giving me pills of Anavar and Winstrol, and like, what am I. How am I gonna get this back?
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
She gave me a sandwich bag, and I literally dumped the pills in there, the vials. And I'm just looking at myself like, okay, I'm not gonna just be able to put this in my pocket and walk across the border. And I. I remember I was like, can I. Can I purchase some of that medical tape? She had this medical tape. I grabbed the medical tape, and I went into the bathroom, and I literally taped this. This bag. The sandwich bag up, and I made it like a banana. And I tell people, I didn't put it in the hole, Rachel. I put it in the crack.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. You know, I. I literally just held it there for, like, three hours. And I'm holding this. This banana between my compressor shorts and my balls. And I walk across the border, and I get to the customs line, and you got to remember, I've come from the strict. My dad's very strict. Never lied, never missed a day of school. Like, we are by the book.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I. The officer takes my passport, and he goes, Mr. Hansen, are you bringing anything back? And for the first time in my life, I lied. I said, no, officer, I'm not. He says, welcome back to America. And I was like, holy shit, what a rush. Right? Like, that was the first time I've ever lied and the first time I've ever smuggled anything into another. Into the United States. And I tell people, from. From that day forward, I was chasing that rush.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
Until I was working for the biggest cartel, smuggling tons of. Of cocaine into other countries.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right. So how soon do you see the results?
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Owen Hansen
Two, three weeks.
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Rachel Yucatel
So all of a sudden you're like, I love this. I gotta do this again.
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Owen Hansen
Well, it's just. You're like, wow, this is. This stuff's awesome.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right? And then. But is that what got you to play football?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. One of the coaches for the football team saw me working out, and he's like, I thought you were a volleyball player. And I said, yeah, I got. I got cut. They're like, well, you need to try out for football. You're the size of a tight end, and we're short on tight ends right now.
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Rachel Yucatel
Had you played football?
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Owen Hansen
Never, Never, ever in my life. My dad wouldn't let me play football. He said, it's too dangerous. Right? It is. And. And I. I just respected my father because I was under his, you know, guidance. And then when the. The coach told me this, I was like, you know what? Fuck. My dad can't get mad at me. I'm an adult now.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right?
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Owen Hansen
And I was like, okay, let's go. Let's try it. What do I got to lose?
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Rachel Yucatel
Right?
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Owen Hansen
And there's 50 walk. There's a walk on tryout, and there's 50 guys that showed up and by the time it was all said and done, they. They had me bench pressing 225. 25 times, 26 times, which is like NFL combine numbers. Vertical jump 40, 36 inches. I ran a 4, 6, 40, which is fast. And I was. You know, I'm just juiced out of my mind. And nobody knows, right? They just think I'm just this.
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Rachel Yucatel
Just workout king. Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I remember, like, two weeks later, they put a list on Pete Carroll's door, and there was one name on the list, and it was my name.
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Rachel Yucatel
No way.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. And I told my dad, and my dad's like, no fucking way. You've never played football your whole life, son. And he wasn't mad. Like, I thought he was gonna be mad because he didn't want me playing football, but he was like, dude, that's the best football team in the world for college sports, USC football at that time.
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Rachel Yucatel
And for people that don't know, explain, like, some of the players that were on the team that went pro, and they're dating Paris. Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
Carson Palmer, Troy Paloma Malu, Reggie Bush, who was dating Kim Kardashian. Matt Leinert was dating Paris Hilton, Sean Cody, all. I mean, the list goes on.
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Rachel Yucatel
I think you guys were all celebrities kind of at your own. Right.
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Owen Hansen
Everywhere we went out, we had, like, the red carpet. Because you got to remember, at that time, we didn't have an NFL team in la, so we were the NFL team.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And we had Denzel Washington coming to our games. Snoop Dogg would come to our practices once a week. Will Ferrell, Shaquille o', Neal, they had. Everyone was on our sidelines.
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Rachel Yucatel
Amazing.
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Owen Hansen
It was awesome.
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Rachel Yucatel
So I had Todd Marinovich on the show. And he was before you, I'm assuming.
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Owen Hansen
Oh, yeah. Way before me.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. But he. I mean, it ruined him. But he had the same kind of, you know, thing where you know who he is. Like, quarterback. Yeah. Robo QB or whatever they call it. And fascinating story, because he was the one that. That's at the time when he started doing all the drugs and he was playing amazing.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
But he completely fell apart. And it was really tough to watch and interview him because you could tell it was a daily struggle. Like, he was still struggling. And the regret, you know, was so big. But what was interesting for him is that his. The problem in his mind is that everyone else thought he could play so well, and he was such a hero to so many people. He didn't even like playing.
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Owen Hansen
Wow.
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Rachel Yucatel
And so for him, it was like, what makes me happy And I'm disappointing all these people. And people would see him, like, homeless and, like, strung out and be like, God, what happened to you? What a mess. And he was thinking, you don't know my life. I didn't want to play. Like, you don't know what my struggle is, but my struggle isn't that I'm not playing. My struggle is, like, that I can't find my happiness. So it was really. Yeah. Interesting to talk to him, but he talked so much about what it was like to play for USC and you were a celebrity.
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Owen Hansen
It was an amazing feeling.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. So you are what, now all of a sudden, guys want to look like you and be like you, and they want to get steroids.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. I'm a walk on, right? So I'm not saying I'm some greedy, great football player, but everyone's seeing me in the gym and they're like, damn, this dude's jacked.
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Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Right?
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Owen Hansen
And I was like, what are you taking? What can I use to get bigger? What can I use to cut up? You know, what can I use for my injuries? Right.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
Like, I literally became this, like, black market doctor. They started calling me Dr. O. Dog.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I was like, okay, you got a ACL injury. Okay, let's get you on some growth hormone, some test sip. I said, I'll get that to you next week.
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Rachel Yucatel
So you started to understand the drugs and know what was good for what and become, like, the doctor.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
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Owen Hansen
And I started going and going back to Mexico and getting more for my teammates, you know?
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Rachel Yucatel
So now you knew how to do it and you had a route and you had the people.
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Owen Hansen
I started figuring it out. Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
And then how often were you going down to Tijuana?
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Owen Hansen
Like, every two weeks. And then the fraternity kids like, hey, we're trying to stay up late so we can study. I'm like, I'm going to prescribe you Adderall.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right.
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Owen Hansen
And I'd go down there and get Adderall. Right. Oh, we can't sleep. We've been partying. Oh, I got you Xanax, right? Yeah. So this is like, people started coming to me.
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Rachel Yucatel
Wait, so how. But how are you feeling all that in your balls?
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Owen Hansen
Listen, I'm getting more and more honest, Rachel. I'm not gonna lie. What happened was I. I got patted down one time, and I was wearing a sweatshirt in the summer, and it was like, I had to wear the sweatshirt in the summer because I was so big.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I don't want them to see. I was like, this Jack guy.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
They patted me down and they went to the area, and I was like, okay, that's the last time I'm smuggling. So I started using girls to smuggle. I'd bring girls down to Papas and Beer, and we'd have tacos and beers and tequila. And for 100 bucks, I would give them, you know, stuff to put in their bras and testosterone put in their. The vaginas, not inside.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right.
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Owen Hansen
You get down there. Right?
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
I'm like, okay. And they're. They're glad to do it.
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Rachel Yucatel
And no one got caught?
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Owen Hansen
No, no. No one ever got caught.
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Rachel Yucatel
Wow.
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Owen Hansen
But they were loving it. I mean, 100 bucks back then was great money for them, like.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And they get to. To drink and have a good time with me. Right. And that's what we did, and they enjoyed it.
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Rachel Yucatel
Now, at what point did it switch to bigger drugs and cocaine?
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Owen Hansen
I would say probably my sophomore year in the fraternity. And I noticed everyone in the fraternity was doing cocaine.
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Rachel Yucatel
And I was like, man, had you gotten into it?
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Owen Hansen
No, I hadn't. I just remember my dad was so strict. We didn't do anything.
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Rachel Yucatel
Do they drug test you guys on the team back then?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah, they test you, but usually they test you during season. Season.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay. So I. I. Steroids show up in that.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah, of course. But we. I didn't. None of the. None of that. Like, none of the guys on the team did any steroids during the season.
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Rachel Yucatel
Oh, got it. Okay.
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Owen Hansen
Ever.
- [20:57]
Rachel Yucatel
Including you.
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Owen Hansen
Including me.
- [20:59]
Rachel Yucatel
Wow.
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Owen Hansen
Because we get tested.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [21:00]
Owen Hansen
It's impossible. If you get tested and you test positive for steroids, it's over.
- [21:04]
Rachel Yucatel
It's over.
- [21:05]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay. So. And you were still able. I don't know how it works. You're still able to maintain your size in your body without it?
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Owen Hansen
Yeah, you. You can, but you have to literally eat like crazy because you remember the season's only, you know, two and a half, three months.
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Rachel Yucatel
So you're right.
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Owen Hansen
Creatine and protein. And you're.
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Rachel Yucatel
You're.
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Owen Hansen
I'm eating, like, 400 grams of protein.
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Rachel Yucatel
Got it.
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Owen Hansen
So there's a ways.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay. Love that you understand protein early on because it affects you later.
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Owen Hansen
Okay.
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Rachel Yucatel
So cocaine becomes a thing, you realize.
- [21:35]
Owen Hansen
I see there's a market.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
I'm like, okay, what are you guys paying? They're paying a hundred dollars for a gram bag. I'm like, like, oh, wow. I grew up in a town where there's Mexican gangs, right. And I grew up in Redondo Beach. There's a North side Redondo gang, which is ran by the Mexican mafia. And some of these guys are my friends. I went to high school with them. So I literally go back to Redondo, where I'm from, and I. I asked these guys, I say, hey, what do you guys pay for this? They're like, you know, for you. We can give it to you for $20 a gram. I'm like, okay. Well, I'm like, okay, I'm doing the numbers. I'm like, fuck, I can undercut everybody and still make triple what? You know, right. What it cost, like, such as math. 101. I'm like, okay, if I get it for 20 and I sell it for 60, I undercut the market by $40. People are going to come to me.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I was like, okay, I'm going to do this. And I literally had this. This friend of mine drive and drop off a Styrofoam container, and it had 8 ounces of Colombian cocaine. And. And I was like, man, what do you do with this? I don't even know where to begin. He gives me a scale and a bunch of gram bags and a spoon. He's like, okay, you put the blow in here, and you put it right here. You tear the scale. And I'm learning. In his minivan, right? And I'm like, okay, okay. And then I literally. I'm so scared to have it. And I'm like, my fraternity house is, like, a block over. I'm like, fuck, I don't want to get caught and, like, run in the fraternity house and, like, throw it in my room. Because we're now in the fraternity house. You're in a bubble, right?
- [23:05]
Rachel Yucatel
You're like, yeah.
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Owen Hansen
You have nothing to worry about.
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Rachel Yucatel
You have a roommate at the time?
- [23:07]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, I have a. A pledge brother.
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Rachel Yucatel
Oh, God. Okay. And did he even notice what was going on?
- [23:13]
Owen Hansen
Oh, I had to tell him.
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Rachel Yucatel
You had to? Okay.
- [23:14]
Owen Hansen
I. I made a business deal with him. I was gonna say, I'm a businessman, right?
- [23:18]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [23:19]
Owen Hansen
At the end of the day, I said, I got an offer you can't refuse. He says, what is it? I already knew he liked coke, so I was like, this is where I'm gonna get him. I said, for every ounce you sell, there's 28 grams in an ounce. For every 27 you sell, you get the 28th one for free. I said, we got eight of them here. Eight ounces. I said, let's bag them all out. I said, we'll bag them together, and I'm going to go to football practice, and I want you to tell all the fraternity brothers, we got it for $60. Everyone else is paying 100. And I'm telling you, every Beta that I grew up with in college all did a gram of coke a day. It's like having a cocktail. This part of the tradition, right? So I go to practice, I come back from training table. It's like six hours goes by. And I get back and I get into my room and my, my fraternity brothers goes. He's like, like, like lit. I'm like, oh, no. He did all the coke, right? He's like, we got a problem. I'm like, what are we. What's the problem? He goes, we're out. I said, oh, that's not a problem. That's a good problem. Yeah, right? And then my mind's like going, okay, this is going to be my hustle.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right?
- [24:23]
Owen Hansen
Because everyone's doing it.
- [24:25]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [24:25]
Owen Hansen
And that just happened like bat.
- [24:27]
Rachel Yucatel
So you're. This is your sophomore year, you said.
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Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay, so. So give me an idea of how much money you start to be making.
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Owen Hansen
I'm making like 2,000 a week, and then it goes to three. And next thing you know, fraternities and other houses are buying it from my roommate. I'm having him handle everything. Remember, I'm this athlete, right? I can't be doing this.
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Rachel Yucatel
Got it.
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Owen Hansen
And he's literally dropping off ounces at the, you know, the, the TKO house, the Zetas house, the Sigma Chi house, the SE house. And like.
- [24:54]
Rachel Yucatel
And is it mostly cocaine?
- [24:55]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, everything. Whatever you want. You want ecstasy, we got that.
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Rachel Yucatel
Did you get into hard shit like heroin?
- [24:59]
Owen Hansen
No, no, no, no.
- [25:01]
Rachel Yucatel
So just party drugs?
- [25:02]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. I was an anti heroin guy. Cause my sister.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah, right. I understand. So at some point, do you go clean and say, I'm gonna have to get a real job? Because to go from making money like that to having a 9 to 5 where you're making like, minimum wage would suck. I can imagine.
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Owen Hansen
Rachel, you know what I told myself? I said, I'm gonna do this just to keep up with the Joneses in college, because this is how I'm gonna be able to pay to go out on a date the for with a sorority girl or take out my. My football teammates or my, my fraternity brothers. Like, I didn't fit in. You know, I'm this blue collar kid. So I was like, now I finally fit in. And I, I agree what I did was wrong, but it was like, I'm surviving now.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I told myself, as soon as I'm done with college, like, graduate and get that degree and get that nine to five, I'm done. Like, this is what I went to USC for, The connections.
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Rachel Yucatel
What did you.
- [25:51]
Owen Hansen
I majored in public policy and planning with an emphasis on real estate development.
- [25:55]
Rachel Yucatel
So you were hoping to go into something.
- [25:56]
Owen Hansen
I was hoping to get real estate. And it happened. I got a. I literally my first job out of college was for this big, big commercial real estate developer, big USC alumni. And he gave me like a six figure salary. And I was young, right? I'm 21 years old. I'm like, this is it. This is what we go to USC for. I don't need to do anything else. And I worked and loved it. And the recession hits. I'm like, oh, no. I lose my job. Okay. And I start to scramble. What am I going to do? Just like I scrambled for volleyball and made the football team. Just like I scrambled to go down to Tijuana to get steroids to support my, you know, my life. I was like, okay, what am I going to do? And I was like, okay, I love sports. I know a lot of athletes. I know a lot of rich people now. I went to usc. I'm going to do that. I'm going to be a bookie. And you think bookie, But a bookie for me is like, that's the perfect job for someone that's an athlete. Right.
- [26:50]
Rachel Yucatel
But how did you know anything about it? Had you been a gambler?
- [26:52]
Owen Hansen
I didn't. That's the thing. But I had. What happened was one of the guys that was working on our project when I was working for the real estate development company, he was a contractor, and he was the contractor for all our development. And I always saw him on the phone betting on the Dodgers and the Raiders, and He's betting like $20,000 a game. I was like, man, whoever's on the other line is making some serious money.
- [27:15]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I was like, man, when I heard that and I lost that job, I was like, you know what? That's what I want to be, a bookie. I want to be like, that guy's. Whoever was on the other line.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I remember, I was like, man, who could I go to? I said, oh, yeah, we have an Italian friend in our family. My dad's friend, one of his fishing buddies was a bookie, and he was an Italian dude. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go go ask my dad if I can get a job with that guy.
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Rachel Yucatel
His name is Uncle Tony, okay?
- [27:42]
Owen Hansen
And Uncle Tony. And Uncle Tony didn't want to. Want to do it. My dad didn't want me to get involved. I said, dad, I have no job. I just lost my job. I said, it's temporary. Give me. Just give me like a year until I get back on my feet. I begged my dad, and finally he made the introduction. And Uncle Tony, it's like, man, your dad doesn't want me to do this, but I'm gonna allow you to. I said, uncle Tony, I have the best network. You wouldn't believe it.
- [28:06]
Rachel Yucatel
Now, wait for people listening and for me, for my ignorance. Is there any part of being a bookie that is legal at the time?
- [28:13]
Owen Hansen
At the time? No, it was illegal. It's a gray area because you're. You're basically taking bets through an online platform, usually in Costa Rica, and you. You're exchanging cash in the United States.
- [28:25]
Rachel Yucatel
And they didn't have, like, DraftKings in that back then.
- [28:27]
Owen Hansen
Back then, it was just street bookies.
- [28:30]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [28:30]
Owen Hansen
Like mobsters.
- [28:31]
Rachel Yucatel
Right, Got it.
- [28:32]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. Yeah. And I. I literally said, man, I'm going to show you how good I am. He's like, I'll pay you 20%. Whatever you bring, you get 20%. And I was a kid, I was like, okay. And literally in six months, this. I had this whale. I went to that contractor, and he lost a million dollars.
- [28:47]
Rachel Yucatel
No way.
- [28:47]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. And I was like, oh, I'm 21 years old or I'm 23 now. I'm like, wow, this is a lot of money. And I bring him a million dollars and he gives me 200,000. Right?
- [28:56]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [28:56]
Owen Hansen
And I'm like, wow, that was pretty easy.
- [28:59]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [28:59]
Owen Hansen
Like, that was just one guy.
- [29:01]
Rachel Yucatel
And opening your Rolodex, all the guys you played with are now pros, right?
- [29:05]
Owen Hansen
Making big contracts.
- [29:06]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [29:07]
Owen Hansen
So I start using these pro athletes to gamble with me. I start using these fraternity kids. Then I start bringing my clients that are betting with me, like, to meet the pro athletes, because they're my friends, so it's like, perfect. They get to meet the guys. They're betting on sports.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [29:20]
Owen Hansen
It's cool. It's like a casino host. Right. And I'm offering everything from like, okay, you want a private jet to fly down to Costa Rica to visit my office. Okay, come on down and out.
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Rachel Yucatel
So now you have this, like, concierge business kind of that goes with it. All right, I'm getting it. And did anything ever make you nervous about that occupation?
- [29:41]
Owen Hansen
No, because it was just kind of like, you know, you do your searches and what can happen if you get in trouble? And it's like, A one to two year charge. Right.
- [29:48]
Rachel Yucatel
Got it. Okay. So you were always looking away.
- [29:50]
Owen Hansen
What the. Yeah, I was.
- [29:51]
Rachel Yucatel
The charge. Could be. And kind of weigh your pros and cons, of course. All right.
- [29:55]
Owen Hansen
And then eventually this. This. This guy didn't want it. This Uncle Tony didn't want to bump my fee up. I was making him so much money, I'm like, you got to give me more. Like 20%'s not doing it. And he didn't want to. I was like, okay, if you don't do it, I'm going to do this on my own. I'm going to figure it out. And he didn't believe that I was going to do it, and he didn't give it to me. In the next week, after I had a nice little nest egg saved, I went to Costa Rica myself. And I flew down there and I went all office to office to figure out how to do it. And I learned how to set up a call center, an online platform, a website, and I became my own bookie.
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Rachel Yucatel
Wow.
- [30:26]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
- [30:26]
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Owen Hansen
It was a learning curve, just like everything in life. Right. And I learned it.
- [32:09]
Rachel Yucatel
But you had figured it out. You had your clients.
- [32:11]
Owen Hansen
I already have my customers, so it was easy. Like, I just pretty much rolled them over to a different phone number, a different website, and now they're betting with my company. Betodog, Right. Yes.
- [32:21]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. And then you start to get agents, meaning people that work for you just like you did in college. Roommate. Okay. And how does that work?
- [32:28]
Owen Hansen
So I get. We call them sub bookies. We're an agent, and I'm literally setting up, you know, same way, like, my fraternity brother has a package with 20 players that are underneath him. A professional athlete that played football has, like, 10 players underneath him.
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Rachel Yucatel
So it's just expanding.
- [32:44]
Owen Hansen
Expanding the business.
- [32:44]
Rachel Yucatel
Right. And you get a portion of whatever they're.
- [32:46]
Owen Hansen
I give them half.
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Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Half.
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Rachel Yucatel
Oh, I see.
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Owen Hansen
I was more fair than Uncle Tony.
- [32:50]
Rachel Yucatel
Got it.
- [32:51]
Owen Hansen
That was my market. Like, okay, you want to work for me, you get half. We're partners.
- [32:54]
Rachel Yucatel
And how many agents did you.
- [32:55]
Owen Hansen
I had 23 agents by the time I was arrested. Yeah.
- [32:59]
Rachel Yucatel
So. All right, now, what age are you?
- [33:01]
Owen Hansen
We're talking about when you're, like, 24 now. 24 now 25.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. And how much are you making a week?
- [33:07]
Owen Hansen
Oh, the betting business was a great market. I mean, you. You have your good weeks and your bad weeks. It could go from, you know, 25,000 a week to 250,000 a week. It just depends how you. It's.
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Rachel Yucatel
But are you losing money?
- [33:19]
Owen Hansen
No, you never lose. You never lose. And at the end of the. At the end of the year, you're never. I've never been negative in this gambling world.
- [33:25]
Rachel Yucatel
Wow.
- [33:25]
Owen Hansen
I don't think anybody has.
- [33:26]
Rachel Yucatel
Did you actually get out of it to go to the next stage or. You've always. That was kind of always what you were doing on the side.
- [33:32]
Owen Hansen
That was me. Yeah. That was like. That was my new job.
- [33:34]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. How'd you meet Matt Boyer?
- [33:38]
Owen Hansen
Matt Boyer was actually a bookie, and he. He was a little older than me, and he was. He was already taking bets, and he had an office in Costa Rica. Okay. And we would just exchange information. And he started betting with me, actually. Right. And he had. He had a gambling problem.
- [33:54]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [33:54]
Owen Hansen
He. He ended up losing. He. Take that back. He beat me for, I want to say, like, 150,000. I paid him. And then the next week, he lost, like, I want to say, like, 70 or 80,000. And he didn't pay me. And I was like, oh, hell, no. This is like the cardinal rule. You. You don't just win and then the next week lose and don't pay me the money I just gave you. Like, that's stealing in my eyes, right? Yeah. And he says, I'll be back. I'm out of town. I said, no, that's not gonna work. I said, I want my money. He's like, no, no, man. I'll be back. And he got back into town. I said, where's my money? And he's like, you know what? Why don't you come get it? I said, oh, yeah, okay. What's the address? And I got in my Range Rover, and I. I drove to his house in Orange county, and he didn't believe I was going to show up. And he told his wife at the time. He's like, hey, honey, this. This big USC football player's coming. It's not going to be pretty. He said, he put on his shoes, he got outside, and I was just waiting for him. He goes, man, you got some balls. I said, well, you got some balls to try to stiff me. And then we became friends ever since.
- [34:52]
Rachel Yucatel
It's so funny. You tell me this story. He sat in your chair, told me the exact same story, but I didn't know who you were, though. I didn't know that that was the story.
- [35:00]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, that's me.
- [35:01]
Rachel Yucatel
How fucked up is that? You listen to the episode. He tells the exact same story.
- [35:04]
Owen Hansen
No way.
- [35:05]
Rachel Yucatel
And he's like. And now this guy and I are like, oh, yeah.
- [35:07]
Owen Hansen
Which I. Yeah.
- [35:08]
Rachel Yucatel
Did he pay you?
- [35:09]
Owen Hansen
Of course he paid.
- [35:09]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. Now, I heard he took over your book of business.
- [35:13]
Owen Hansen
That's true.
- [35:14]
Rachel Yucatel
Got her.
- [35:14]
Owen Hansen
That's. He. He took over, and he grew his business to, like, Fortune 500 status, right?
- [35:20]
Rachel Yucatel
Now, where were you when you heard he got in some trouble?
- [35:23]
Owen Hansen
I was in prison, Okay? I was in prison, and I saw that Ohtani scandal started, and I couldn't believe it. And I was like, wow, my buddy really got big. Right? Like, I had. Oh, you hadn't heard I had professional athletes? No, because you can't talk on the prison phone. Hey, how you. How's the bookie business?
- [35:38]
Rachel Yucatel
Right, right, right, of course.
- [35:40]
Owen Hansen
So I got. I was, like, reading the Wall Street Journal in prison. I was like, holy, that's my boy. And nobody believed me. In prison. Like, yeah, yeah, right. Every. You guys don't even know this guy. And I. We. Dude, bet $80,000 on a golf hole. You guys have no clue. And I got out, and he's like, yeah, buddy, I got. I got. I got really big. And he started telling me who his clients were. Like, holy, right?
- [36:02]
Rachel Yucatel
So what did you think of the whole scandal? I mean, what's. Do you have an opinion?
- [36:05]
Owen Hansen
Of course. I mean, I'm an athlete. I'm a adrenaline junkie, and I believe that all athletes have that same kind of adrenaline, and I believe that athletes gamble in sports. Now I believe he was gambling on sports, and I believe that the sub bookie, Ohtani, sub bookie Ippe, was the fall guy.
- [36:24]
Rachel Yucatel
You do?
- [36:24]
Owen Hansen
In my opinion, yeah.
- [36:26]
Rachel Yucatel
It seems like the industry is trying to cover up for him still.
- [36:31]
Owen Hansen
He's the greatest baseball player of all time. Biggest contract ever. International. You know how bad that would be if he got in trouble for this? It would cut off everything.
- [36:40]
Rachel Yucatel
But your opinion is that Ohtani was the one. One gambling, at least the first one.
- [36:44]
Owen Hansen
Gambling with his. His. His. His interpreter.
- [36:48]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. Using his interpreter as.
- [36:50]
Owen Hansen
I know baseball players. I know baseball players that have played with. With these guys. They're like, come on, guys, we're all betting in the locker. They're betting on turtle races. They'll bet anything. Yeah.
- [36:59]
Rachel Yucatel
Have you talked to Matt since he's been in prison?
- [37:01]
Owen Hansen
No, I can't. Oh, I'm a felon, so I can't. He can't call me on a prison phone.
- [37:05]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [37:05]
Owen Hansen
Me. It would be a violation.
- [37:07]
Rachel Yucatel
You get to talk to him before.
- [37:07]
Owen Hansen
He talked to his wife. Life.
- [37:09]
Rachel Yucatel
Did you ever give him any advice about what prison's like and what to do and.
- [37:13]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, I gave him a little, you know, a little tips and. And what not to do.
- [37:17]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [37:18]
Owen Hansen
Because I, I, you know, I spent a long time in prison, so I knew, you know, luckily for him, he got to go to a camp. I never got to go to camp due to the kingpin status on the drug charges. But his, like, white collar, so he got to go to a camp, which is I'm grateful for. Right, right.
- [37:33]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay, so let's spool back. So now you're in the bookie business. How all of a sudden do you get mixed up with the cartel?
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Owen Hansen
I went international. I said, man, I'm so big now in the US I want to go. I want to expand. I'm just this ambitious kid now. And I go to. I tell my agents, I say, hey, let's go to north. Anywhere in North America, Canada, Mexico. Let's expand this thing. And one of my agents brought me this whale out of Mexico and I didn't know who he was. He was losing quarter million a week in giving me bags of cash. I was like, man, whoever your player is, you got a whale. It's not my business to ask him who his players. That's his client, you know. So I'm just like, keep that guy happy. Whatever he needs, we got, we got him. Because that's the service I provided. And the guy finally lost, like after, I mean, excuse me, the guy finally won. He, I literally beat him for like 750,000 in three weeks. And he finally was about to win and I called his agent. I said, hey, your client's gonna win and come over and grab this cash. I want to pay him on Monday morning. Because in the bookie business, if you pay someone Monday, that means you're the real deal.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I, I had his agent pay him Monday morning at 8am and the next day his agent brings me an encrypted phone. And I was like, what's this? It's in BlackBerry. He's like, my uncle who's my client wants you to use.
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Owen Hansen
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Owen Hansen
I'm like, what? What is this? Three passwords. I'm entering the passwords in, and the phone doesn't have any kind of microphone that's taken out, has no camera, has no gps. Just, like, a brick. Like, what is this? Right? Like, it's crazy. And I'm entering these three passwords, and this guy says, I like the way you do business. That's all it said. It was like an email.
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Rachel Yucatel
So wait, because I've heard this story, but your agent didn't get upset that he was taken out of the.
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Owen Hansen
No, because he probably knew what was going on.
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- [40:52]
Owen Hansen
He's like, hey, you provide this service, you tell me whatever people want to do. So it's like, here. I'm not gonna cut him out. My agent's handling all the collections and everything.
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Rachel Yucatel
Got it.
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Owen Hansen
Okay.
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Rachel Yucatel
I just wanted to understand that. All right, so you start talking to this guy, and you realize, what is he?
- [41:07]
Owen Hansen
I don't realize anything yet. I mean, like, he. I tell him, anything you need, you're a great customer, and whatever we can do for you. And then two days later, it's like, hey, do you have a hundred thousand dollars I can borrow in the United States and I'll pay you back in a wire? I'm like, of course. I'm a bookie. I got money all over the United States. He's like, I need 100 grand. Dropped off in San Diego. I'm like, okay, what part? Vista. Boom. 20 minutes later, one of my runners drops off 100 grand. He goes, okay, I got 110,000 wire for you. Where do you want it? I'm like, send it to Costa Rica.
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Rachel Yucatel
So you're making $10,000?
- [41:39]
Owen Hansen
Making 10% on my money.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
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Owen Hansen
It's math. Like, this is what you learn in school, right? 10 a day. Who can do that?
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Rachel Yucatel
That.
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Owen Hansen
So it's not, like, for me, it's just a numbers game. He's like, hey, I need it in North Carolina. Another 100 grand.
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Rachel Yucatel
And you're not asking questions like, what the money?
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Owen Hansen
Remember, I'm that concierge. Whatever he wants. Like, I don't feel like I'm doing anything illegal, okay? A little exchange of money. The guy's already losing a quarter million a week on me. Like, who cares? So I literally just start doing this, and I'm making 10, and I'm like, this is easy. And it's like, I'm cleaning this money now. And I'm like, oh, this is great. Right? Keep coming. And then he says, hey, I need you to pick up a million dollars. I'm like, pick up? You just had me dropping off. He's like, I got some money in Brownsville, Texas, and. And we're not allowed over there. It's rival territory. Like, rival territory. I start to scratch my head. I'm like, man, now I know I'm. I'm a little. A little deeper than I thought, right? I'm thinking, rival, okay? This has got to be a gang, Some kind of gangster, right?
- [42:37]
Rachel Yucatel
And you've never spoken to him?
- [42:38]
Owen Hansen
No, it's an encrypted phone, okay? I don't ask questions. I'm just whatever he needs. He's like, yeah, pick up a million, and you're gonna make 100,000. I'm like, in one day, like, 100 grand. What an easy lick. And I hired a pilot. First time I ever bought a private jet, right? Or paid for a private jet. Hired one of my muscles to come with me. This guy named Tank who's in my documentary. He brings in one of his UFC buddies, and I'm literally in this private jet in a turboprop. We fly to Brownsville in this private airport, and we land. And I'm telling this, we'll call him El Jefe. I'm saying, hey, El Jefe, I'm here in Brownsville. He goes, in five minutes, there's gonna be a truck that pulls up in the parking lot. And sure enough, five minutes later, there's this gardener that comes out of this pickup truck, and he has a bag, and he goes, este para El Jefe. This is for the boss. And he gives me the bag. I'm like, okay, this is crazy. Let me get out of here.
- [43:30]
Rachel Yucatel
But it's as easy as that. He comes to you, you get right back on the plane, right back on.
- [43:33]
Owen Hansen
The planet, the player, okay?
- [43:34]
Rachel Yucatel
And I get on, and it goes without a hitch.
- [43:36]
Owen Hansen
No and easy. Like, I was like, wow, that was cinchy, right? I was like. I told my pilot, okay, let's go to Torrance Airport. And I land in Torrance Airport, and I'm there and saying, where do you want it? He's like, drop it off in Riverside. He gave me an address. I took my 100 grand out, and I drop off 900,000. I pay my pilot, pay my workers. I just profited, like, 76 grand. I'm like, wow, that was Fun.
- [43:59]
Rachel Yucatel
Like this.
- [44:01]
Owen Hansen
I like this. This is fun. You got to remember, every time I'm doing this, I'm like, man, my dad was a construction worker. He never had the chance. I just made his salary.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah, right.
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Owen Hansen
Like in, like in one day, like, so it's a feeling, a great feeling. And it just got bigger and bigger and the favors went to another favor. And then he eventually said, how would you like to do what you're doing now, but in Australia? And I'm going to pay you a million dollars a day. I'm like, where do I sign up? Right.
- [44:29]
Rachel Yucatel
So you had to move to Australia.
- [44:30]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
- [44:30]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
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Owen Hansen
Okay.
- [44:31]
Rachel Yucatel
And in the meantime, are you still having your agents doing all the regular.
- [44:34]
Owen Hansen
Oh, yeah, I got. Now I have a manager that works full time. I got runners, that this is a well oiled machine. I don't have to do anything.
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Rachel Yucatel
So not only the money that you're getting from El Jefe is coming in, but you have all this shit going on.
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Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
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Rachel Yucatel
So you are at the pinnacle. Like, you are at the highest end. You are making what you have always wanted to make and you are probably exceeding what some of these guys. You went to college?
- [44:54]
Owen Hansen
Oh, every one of them. My college, all my friends that are in that NFL, I was probably making more money money than that right at the time.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right, right.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
So you move to Australia.
- [45:02]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
- [45:03]
Rachel Yucatel
And you bring some of your guys with you or you have to start all over.
- [45:06]
Owen Hansen
Oh, I gotta put. I have to put together a team.
- [45:09]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [45:09]
Owen Hansen
And he says, you have to. I have the product there and you need to figure out a way to move it. Because I'm like, okay, product. Okay. What kind of product? Right. You're just like, okay, what is this? You ask? And he says that cocaine. And I was like, oh, boy. And now I know I'm in a little deeper than just handling money.
- [45:29]
Rachel Yucatel
And now have you looked at the consequences?
- [45:32]
Owen Hansen
Of course.
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Rachel Yucatel
What's the consequence if you get caught?
- [45:35]
Owen Hansen
Anything over two and a half kilos is a life sentence.
- [45:38]
Rachel Yucatel
So in Australia. I don't know much about Australia, but I know that they're more serious than America.
- [45:43]
Owen Hansen
Very serious.
- [45:44]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
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Owen Hansen
But my mindset was like, okay, if I never touch it, I'll be all right. I'm the type of guy that, remember, I was scared to run from fraternity row to my fraternity house with 8 ounces. So, like, that scared me. Like. So I was going to get to Australia and I was going to have someone handle everything, and I was just going to sit back on the encrypted phone and Become this logistics quarterback. Right, right. And so I literally had to recruit this guy that was in the international drug business, but for weed. And. And he was an old Italian gangster that I got referred to from. From a friend that was in the weed business. And he told me, if you want to get into the international business, you got to talk to Uncle Louie. And Uncle Louis is a gangster. He used to work with the Lucchese family.
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Rachel Yucatel
Wait, now, how does the trust work when you're. I know, like, listen, I lived in Vegas. I ran nightclubs in Vegas. I dealt with very similar things on a different level than you. But I know that your role at X is a big thing. My role at X was a big thing, but the trust and the respect and credibility was also a big thing. So how are you finding these people and then trusting them to be who they were, do what they were gonna do?
- [46:50]
Owen Hansen
Like, it's a referral basis, but you're also feeling them out. Like, you and I can talk right now. And I know that you're gonna get shit done, right? And I know that you're gonna get me in the best club and get me the prettiest girls at my table.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right?
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Owen Hansen
That's how I. I just. I know how to read people. I can read the room. So when I met Uncle Louie, it's.
- [47:04]
Rachel Yucatel
A good skill that not a lot of people have.
- [47:06]
Owen Hansen
No, that's true.
- [47:07]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I met this Uncle Louie in San Diego. And I knew right away when I started talking to him, and he told me, we're not talking about anything business in the United States. I knew this guy was a bonafide gangster, right? I was like, okay, this guy knows what he's. He's not going to talk to me in the US because he knows we could get a conspiracy. So he's like, you got to come to Naples, Italy, where I'm from.
- [47:27]
Rachel Yucatel
I was like.
- [47:28]
Owen Hansen
I was, hey, hey, Rachel. All I thought about was that million dollars a day, right? I was like, I'm gonna figure it out. So I fly to Naples, Italy. He's in this villa, beautiful home, two homes on this vineyard, and. And we're talking, and I'm telling him, like, I have product in Australia. He's like, man, you don't have product over there. It's impossible. He's looking at me. I'm some punk kid, right? 25 years old. I think at the time, he's like, it's impossible, man. He goes, I've been in this business for 30 years. He goes, no one can get product over There. I'm like, I have it. He didn't believe me. He says, don't waste my time. So I was like, I was like, man, I was bummed out. I said like, this guy doesn't believe me. So he told me, he's like, if you have the product, you go there and you tell me when you see it with your own eyes. And now I got to tell El Jefe that I. If I have a guy that's gonna do it or not, because he wants to know. And I'm like, I lied to both of them. I tell Elfe I got the guy. He goes, okay, good, now get to Australia. So now I fly to Australia and now I'm in Australia and El Jefe is ready to drop this stuff off, but now I gotta lie to the other guy in Italy because he wants to know if I've seen it and.
- [48:36]
Rachel Yucatel
Say that you've seen it.
- [48:36]
Owen Hansen
So now I gotta lie to him and be like, hey, I've seen it. Get over here. I haven't seen shit, right? But I've just taken the risk, right? I've been gambling my whole life, right? So he goes, he flies over and literally two days later he's there and he's like, where's it at? I'm like, hang on, right? Like I brought my encrypted phone. And El Jefe puts me in the Four Seasons Hotel. And he's like, get a room. And as soon as you get a room, message me the, the room number. And I, I was like, okay, I don't want to touch it. So I got Uncle Louie a room right next door. I was in 426, he was in 428. And I remember, I said, okay, Uncle Lou, as soon as this comes, I'm going to knock on your door, on your wall, cuz he's right there. And, and she like, get ready, cuz I, Rachel, I am scared, right? And I get a knock on my door and. And Uncle Louie has this. Or excuse me, El Jefe has this guy delivering through this box and he's in this DHL outfit. And I was like, this is crazy. And I'm holding this box. It's heavy, banging on the wall. I said, uncle Louie, get over here now. And he comes over and he opens it up, he goes, holy nephew. He goes, you weren't lying. He says, you really have the. This is, this is good product. He literally cut it open just like in the movies, put it to his nose and did a little taster. And he's like, that's pure grade 100 clean Colombian cocaine, right? Like he was blown away. And 20 minutes later, he comes back with a million dollars cash. There was 10 kilos. They're a hundred thousand each. It was this. The Test run, right? 20 minutes. And the deal I made with El Jefe is I would get 50,000 on every kilo, and El Jefe would get 50,000, and Uncle Louie would get 50 on his own. He would charge 150.
- [50:09]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay?
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Owen Hansen
So Uncle Louie had 500,000, I had 500,000, El Hefe had 500,000. But I'm responsible for a jefe's. Uncle Louie goes, okay, when can we get more? I'm on the encrypted phone and el Jefe says, 20 more tomorrow. So now 2 million gets dropped off. So now I'm giving a million to El Jefe. A million for me. Now I'm making my million dollars a day, right? We work Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we take the weekends off. We do it again and again, and.
- [50:32]
Rachel Yucatel
Then it's just continuous continues. Yeah, amazing. Now, in the meantime, how are you living? Like, how are you spending your money? What are you. How are you living?
- [50:42]
Owen Hansen
I'm scared shitless. I'm a go ghost, okay? I'm living in a studio apartment.
- [50:47]
Rachel Yucatel
No way.
- [50:48]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, yeah. El Jefe told me you are a ghost. Right? He made me wear a suit and tie.
- [50:55]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay, so he. It was important that you don't stand.
- [50:57]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, he want me walking down the street like everybody else. And in Sydney, everyone wears suits and ties like businessmen.
- [51:03]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay?
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Owen Hansen
And I'm rolling around like a suitcase, like a businessman. No one would know there's, you know, $2 million in cash in there, right?
- [51:10]
Rachel Yucatel
So you're not rolling around, going to strip clubs at night, throwing cash everywhere, living in huge humps.
- [51:15]
Owen Hansen
No, no, no.
- [51:16]
Rachel Yucatel
But I did, see, you bought your. You upgraded your father's home.
- [51:19]
Owen Hansen
Yes, that was later. Later on. Okay, Yeah, I did that.
- [51:22]
Rachel Yucatel
Got it. Is that where he lives now?
- [51:24]
Owen Hansen
No, he retired.
- [51:26]
Rachel Yucatel
I always wondered why you took that little plot of land and built up in this fabulous way, but you didn't just buy him a new house. You loved the idea of this childhood address.
- [51:35]
Owen Hansen
No, I was developing. I was a builder. Like, it was my dream to become a developer. A real estate developer.
- [51:40]
Rachel Yucatel
I got it.
- [51:40]
Owen Hansen
And then I was like, you know what? This is the perfect starting point. And that's where I started my development business. Right? I did that one. And I just started to grow it and did that.
- [51:48]
Rachel Yucatel
I didn't even know about that. So did you continue?
- [51:49]
Owen Hansen
Oh, yeah. That was a very successful business.
- [51:51]
Rachel Yucatel
Really.
- [51:52]
Owen Hansen
I built like over. Over 100 homes.
- [51:54]
Rachel Yucatel
But your dad said he didn't feel comfortable living.
- [51:56]
Owen Hansen
No, it was too much for him.
- [51:58]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [51:58]
Owen Hansen
You got to remember, my dad's this frugal man that's saved every dollar he's had.
- [52:03]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [52:03]
Owen Hansen
He's not like me.
- [52:04]
Rachel Yucatel
Right, Right. Okay, so go back to Australia. So you're laying low. You're making a million dollars a day.
- [52:11]
Owen Hansen
I'm literally in this apartment. I have money. I have stacks. I mean, we're talking stacks. I have $10 million in my apartment.
- [52:18]
Rachel Yucatel
I lived. When I made. I was making $10,000 a week in Vegas.
- [52:21]
Owen Hansen
Cash.
- [52:22]
Rachel Yucatel
I remember them saying, you cannot go to the bank with more than 9,000.
- [52:26]
Owen Hansen
That's right.
- [52:27]
Rachel Yucatel
So I started to have cash underneath my. My bed as well. Because sometimes someone would give me $100,000 chip or whatever it was, and I was like, what do I do? So I would go and spend it on shit. I'd go buy a car and a this. And I ended up buying a house and. But I see that you're talking about $10 million in your home. So what are you doing with this cash?
- [52:47]
Owen Hansen
Putting in dishwashers, putting in microwaves, cabinets, attics to me, luggage underneath the bed.
- [52:53]
Rachel Yucatel
And aren't you also panicking about.
- [52:55]
Owen Hansen
I'm drinking wine, I'm drinking popping Xanax. I'm so stressed out, Rachel. I'm even, at some point, I'm even doing lines of the coke because I'm like, it.
- [53:03]
Rachel Yucatel
You're not necessarily getting to enjoy.
- [53:05]
Owen Hansen
No, it's very nerve wracking. And Uncle Louie and I are so stressed now because he's got the same money issue and I have twice the money issue because I got El Jefe's and we are literally like panicking.
- [53:16]
Rachel Yucatel
Oh, right. And so you have El Jefe's. You can't even get it to him.
- [53:19]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. And then I finally messaged Jo Hefe, like, hey, when are you going to have your people pick it up? And he goes, which is like white boy in Spanish. He goes, that's why I sent you over there. I was like, okay, this makes sense.
- [53:31]
Rachel Yucatel
All right, so now for people listening, you cannot just go and get on an airplane with a bunch of money. You cannot stick it in a box and send it in the mail.
- [53:38]
Owen Hansen
No, no.
- [53:39]
Rachel Yucatel
So you have to figure out what is laundering, right. Which is changing it into something, what tangible, or changing the form of the money to get it out of your hands. Right.
- [53:48]
Owen Hansen
And you have to exchange. The hardest part is Exchanging the Australian dollar into a US Dollar dollar. So I. You got to remember, I have all this money. I gotta start exchanging it to U. S. Currency, because I can't take an Australian currency into the U.S. right.
- [54:01]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [54:02]
Owen Hansen
So now I'm exchanging and literally have fake IDs I'm using at these exchange houses. And I run out of hundred dollar bills and 50 bills from the US so now I start exchanging for euro notes. Because the euro note at the time was like 750. 700. Like, if you got a €500 note, which is very common, it's 750 U.S. so I was like, you know what? I know I can exchange euro notes easier. I started buying the €500 note. So I'd buy like 20 of those every day. And I put them in comic books. And I would take the comic book and I'd put it in an ebay package, and I would vacuum seal it. So you just. If you opened it, you just see a comic book in a vacuum seal package. And I literally started sending, like five comic books a week out to el jefe? No, no, to the U.S. oh, to the hefe. Yeah. Just to get out of the country.
- [54:55]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. And who was getting that? Was this when tank comes in?
- [54:58]
Owen Hansen
Well, yeah, everybody was involved. We had P.O. boxes and addresses and girlfriends and just anybody that would take a package. Right.
- [55:04]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [55:04]
Owen Hansen
And.
- [55:05]
Rachel Yucatel
And they're just holding.
- [55:06]
Owen Hansen
They're just holding it.
- [55:07]
Rachel Yucatel
Got it. At some point, a guy named Robin Hood702 comes in your life.
- [55:13]
Owen Hansen
Life just.
- [55:14]
Rachel Yucatel
This becomes the worst person, I guess, that you've ever met in your life.
- [55:17]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, no doubt.
- [55:19]
Rachel Yucatel
Tell us what happens.
- [55:20]
Owen Hansen
So, no, this gambler, he's. He's. Him and I go into a business agreement.
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Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
He.
- [55:25]
Owen Hansen
I met through my. My girlfriend at the time, and she. She knew him from Vegas. And he was this supposedly this high roller, and he was known for blackjack. And she told me, I think this guy is the guy. Like, he. He's. He's a professional blackjack player, and he has this. This foundation, whatever. He goes and plays, and basically he wins money on the table, and he donates money to, like, a kid in need. Right, right. And so I meet this guy and he tells me his pitch, and I just said, it's great. What would you charge me to do this. This business? I have this gambling customer in Australia that's losing a bunch of money, and I need to get it out of Australia. He's like, let's do 25%. And we agree on that. And he flies over to Australia, and we'll give him 1.5 million for the first test run. Right? And he does great. Within 48 hours, he literally goes to the casino, he puts the money down, they give him chips, and he starts playing at the table. And about two hours later, he just claps his hands and says, hey, I'm not feeling it. Cash me out. And what do they do? They don't give you the chips back. They cash out with a check.
- [56:29]
Rachel Yucatel
Oh, got it. Yeah.
- [56:30]
Owen Hansen
So now he can take that check, and he could go to the sister. Your casino, and the Venetian or the Palazzo. Right? And now he flies back with that check to the US Goes to Las Vegas, and he. He's this high roller. They already know who he is.
- [56:44]
Rachel Yucatel
And so you were giving him 25%. You weren't asking him to gamble and make 25 do all these things that he ultimately ends up having some issues with. But. Okay, it's just.
- [56:53]
Owen Hansen
Yes. Yeah. It's a payment, and everyone wins.
- [56:56]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay?
- [56:56]
Owen Hansen
And. And he. He does it. It literally in like 48 hours.
- [57:00]
Rachel Yucatel
So it goes fine.
- [57:00]
Owen Hansen
The first smooth. Yeah.
- [57:01]
Rachel Yucatel
So you're like, this is. This is now the route. Yeah, the guy.
- [57:04]
Owen Hansen
And I'm telling El Jefe now, I'm like, hey, this is the route. This is. This is what we're going to do. This is so much faster than the Euro notes, the Ugg boots, you know, the gold, the silver. I had so many different ways I was doing it, and it was just a headache, you know, took forever, Right? This guy just.
- [57:17]
Rachel Yucatel
And at this point, had El. Had El Jefe gotten anything from you?
- [57:20]
Owen Hansen
No, but now he did.
- [57:21]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [57:21]
Owen Hansen
So that 1.5 literally got cleaned. I think he has commission on it was, I want to say, like 375 grand.
- [57:26]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [57:27]
Owen Hansen
He gives me money in the US and I distribute that to Al Jefe.
- [57:31]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. And okay, so then. Then we do a second run.
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Owen Hansen
He comes back, he wants to do 2.5 now, and I give him 2.5 million. And literally he gets to the casino same way he's supposed to do it. Three hours later, I get a phone call. I'm like, gosh, that was fast. I answer, he goes, we got a problem. I lost the money. Like, wait a minute. What do you mean you lost the money? He didn't have money to lose. You. You could lose 25%. Right? That's your commitment mission. He says, I need you to bring me more money to win it back. I'm like, no, no, I'm not bringing you any more money. In fact, I'm actually going to come and see if this guy stole the money because that's. Now my mind's thinking he stole my money.
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Rachel Yucatel
But there's like wins and loss sheets, right? Like you could see. Yeah. You can see if it's really.
- [58:12]
Owen Hansen
My personal trainer knew the pit boss at the Star Casino. He says, dude, I'll go ask the pit boss myself. He's a friend. Okay, let's see.
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Rachel Yucatel
And did he lose?
- [58:20]
Owen Hansen
Supposedly he lost it. I don't know how much he lost. There's rumors that he lost some and kept some, but I don't know, I can't answer that.
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Rachel Yucatel
So what do you think he was thinking? Cause we see if you watch the docuseries and I want people to go watch the docuseries and I've spoken to him. As you know, his thing is that he was so scared and he's a degenerate gambler and he lost it. And also he was upset and felt like, you know, he was being harassed to do this stuff and he just wanted no part of it. And he lost all of it.
- [58:52]
Owen Hansen
Okay. I think anybody that watches the documentary and sees that if someone laundered 1.5 million and got paid a commission for that, why would anybody want to threaten them for doing that? Would I threaten someone that just helped me out?
- [59:06]
Rachel Yucatel
Well, also you would think that if they'd done it once before, they know what's going on. They know what.
- [59:11]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, they're doing the same thing.
- [59:13]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [59:14]
Owen Hansen
So to come back around and do it and then lose tells me you're a degenerate gambler. That's what it tells me.
- [59:20]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [59:21]
Owen Hansen
And I don't, I mean I. It's my personal opinion. I don't believe he lost all of it. I believe there's. There was some foul play.
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Rachel Yucatel
But it's interesting, like why do it and then pocket some? Because at the end of the day you were going to be paying him a percentage for a long time. Yeah, for a long time. And this could have gone on and on.
- [59:37]
Owen Hansen
Some people don't think like that, okay? Especially degenerate gamblers.
- [59:40]
Rachel Yucatel
So. So that's what I was gonna say. The most logical answer is that he is a degenerate gambler and lost it and then it all got fucked up from him. So here we are. And just for time purposes and again, cuz people should go and watch the show. It was very clear that this is where the whole story heats up. And all of a sudden you want to make sure he doesn't leave the country and he's Trying to go get Rick Leventhal, and they're trying to figure out how to get away from you. You want to make sure that you're getting its passport and you've got your trainer and you've got some money in your safe house, whatever, and you want to get it away and put it in a hotel.
- [60:16]
Owen Hansen
Yep.
- [60:17]
Rachel Yucatel
You have $700,000. I mean, sorry. That I'm telling you. Yeah, $700,000. You put it in a suitcase, you give it to your trainer. Tell me what happens.
- [60:25]
Owen Hansen
My trainer goes to the hotel that he's supposed to meet Robin Hood. Robin Hood had 300 grand left in his hotel room. I told him, bring that 300 to the hotel room. You're going to meet my trainer. My trainer had a bag of 700. We're going to add that 300. We're going to have a bag of a million. Was. I was trying to get money out of my apartment because Robin Hood knew where I lived. And so he called and says, hey, I'm on my way to the hotel room. So I sent my trainer, and as soon as my trainer got to the hotel room, there was four police there waiting for him.
- [60:50]
Rachel Yucatel
Right. So Robin Hood, what he had done is called the police.
- [60:52]
Owen Hansen
Called the police.
- [60:53]
Rachel Yucatel
And so this is where this all starts to go south.
- [60:57]
Owen Hansen
Yes. They arrest Sean, Carolyn, my trainer. They find the 700 grand.
- [61:02]
Rachel Yucatel
So now you're out another 700. So you're at 3.2 that you're out to the cartel.
- [61:07]
Owen Hansen
Correct.
- [61:08]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay, like, what were you doing?
- [61:11]
Owen Hansen
Panicking. I. I didn't know what to do. I was like, oh, Like, I was freaking out. And my trainer gets out of jail. He's like, dude, we have a problem that Robin Hood's singing like a canary.
- [61:23]
Rachel Yucatel
Right. And Robin Hood had left and gone back to America.
- [61:25]
Owen Hansen
Correct.
- [61:25]
Rachel Yucatel
So now you don't have a lot of people in the inner circle. The inner circle is starting to fall apart.
- [61:31]
Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Yes.
- [61:31]
Rachel Yucatel
Now you're thinking, how do I get back? Well, first of all, what's El jefe saying?
- [61:35]
Owen Hansen
He's not saying anything yet.
- [61:36]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. So he doesn't know.
- [61:37]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. Until. Yeah, he doesn't know. And I'm not telling him.
- [61:39]
Rachel Yucatel
Right. So from what I understand, you start to involve some other people because you need to get that $700,000, and some guy comes up with a cockamamie story that it's his. Maybe it's not cockamamie, but it seemed pretty. Pretty good at the time. An attorney that said it was his money and he. All these people just want a percentage and this is why they get involved and agree to lie.
- [62:02]
Owen Hansen
Right.
- [62:02]
Rachel Yucatel
But I guess the negative in this is that now you've opened up this lie to so many people that it causes some problems.
- [62:11]
Owen Hansen
Yes, it causes a lot of problems because now we're trying to get the 700 grand that got picked off back. And this, this lawyer made me go tell this fake make believe story to law enforcement in the United States, which was like, you know, and in my business you never go to law enforcement ever. Right. Like, that's the rule number one. But the attorney says it's not a, it's not a us matter, so don't worry about it. So I took his legal advice because he's an attorney, and I talked about this fake story of how the money, you know, was given.
- [62:40]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [62:40]
Owen Hansen
And it was all a fugazi. It was all lies.
- [62:43]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [62:43]
Owen Hansen
And, you know, watch the documentary.
- [62:45]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. And again, because I don't want to get too into it because it's so good and, and fine. So now eventually you get caught. And actually I want people to see the documentary for that too. But let's talk about prison for a minute.
- [62:58]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
- [62:59]
Rachel Yucatel
Tell me about what it's like to have those doors slam. And you hear what you have 21 years.
- [63:04]
Owen Hansen
21 years.
- [63:05]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. Yeah. So you're in there and you're like, fuck, are you crying? Are you like, holy shit, my life's over. I want to kill myself. Like, what are you thinking?
- [63:12]
Owen Hansen
Remember dad said we don't cry? Okay, so you're not, you can't cry at first.
- [63:16]
Rachel Yucatel
You cry in the shower.
- [63:17]
Owen Hansen
You cry in the shower. Yeah. Yeah. So I just, I played it like a basketball game. There's four quarters. And I said to myself, five years is first quarter, you know, 10 years is you're at halftime. And that's how I put it in my mindset. And I woke up every day and I said, man, it's time to rehabilitate. Right. The judge told me this is 21 years to rehabilitate. And I took that serious and I went in there and I was like, okay, most 90% of people in here are just eating soups all day, laying on their bed depressed. I'm like, this not going to be me. You're not going to break me. You know, I'm an athlete. I'm not going to break.
- [63:49]
Rachel Yucatel
Did you work out?
- [63:50]
Owen Hansen
I worked out. Out every day.
- [63:51]
Rachel Yucatel
They have a gym or like you just.
- [63:53]
Owen Hansen
No, I made a lot of calisthenics.
- [63:54]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [63:54]
Owen Hansen
I mean, eventually I did find a prison that had a gym.
- [63:56]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [63:57]
Owen Hansen
But it took a while to get there.
- [63:58]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [63:59]
Owen Hansen
A lot of calisthenics, a lot of pull ups, a lot of push ups. Dips, stuff off your toilet, you know.
- [64:04]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [64:04]
Owen Hansen
You're doing like inverted push ups off your toilet seat.
- [64:08]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. Do you get outside? Can you run?
- [64:11]
Owen Hansen
You get outside like one hour in the morning, one hour at night. Okay. And I'm running.
- [64:16]
Rachel Yucatel
And the food. How do you combat food? Right.
- [64:19]
Owen Hansen
That's awful. You're getting your 2, 000 calories, but it's coming from like, carbohydrates.
- [64:23]
Rachel Yucatel
Got it.
- [64:23]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. It's our garbage.
- [64:24]
Rachel Yucatel
Are you making friends?
- [64:26]
Owen Hansen
You don't want to make friends in prison, but you're making acquaintances, right?
- [64:29]
Rachel Yucatel
So you're lonely.
- [64:30]
Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
You're.
- [64:30]
Owen Hansen
Of course you're lonely, but you're. You're meeting people that are part of your race. Like in prison, you can't be part of the blacks or the Mexicans, the guys that I play, played sports with my whole life. You have to be with your own race. So since I'm white, I have to run with the whites. There's. There's politics in prison.
- [64:46]
Rachel Yucatel
What was the worst thing that happened to you in prison?
- [64:49]
Owen Hansen
I mean, for me, the worst thing was, you know, being during COVID They literally had us locked down for like nearly, almost two years. I think we had one shower a week. We were in our six by eight cell for 23 and a half hours a day.
- [65:05]
Rachel Yucatel
TV?
- [65:05]
Owen Hansen
No TV.
- [65:06]
Rachel Yucatel
Books?
- [65:07]
Owen Hansen
No. You could get books, but you. The worst part was just like the meals, like box lunches. For literally like a year and a half. No coffee, nothing.
- [65:14]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay, but that for me, that doesn't sound terrible. It sounds. Even if you told me to sit in this room for a week and not leave, like, I would have a panic attack. I can't imagine.
- [65:24]
Owen Hansen
You can't move.
- [65:25]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [65:25]
Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Yeah.
- [65:25]
Owen Hansen
It's awful.
- [65:26]
Rachel Yucatel
And you have a roommate at the time.
- [65:27]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. You have. You always have a roommate.
- [65:28]
Rachel Yucatel
Like play cards?
- [65:29]
Owen Hansen
I. Yeah. I mean, you could only do so much.
- [65:31]
Rachel Yucatel
Oh, my God.
- [65:32]
Owen Hansen
You gotta remember the toilets in the room. So when you have to use the restroom, it's right next to his head, right? Like his bed's right next to the toilet seat.
- [65:38]
Rachel Yucatel
Were you on the top?
- [65:40]
Owen Hansen
Always the top.
- [65:40]
Rachel Yucatel
Why?
- [65:41]
Owen Hansen
Because what happens is if you're on the bottom and someone's like up top and eating that are dandruff or whatever, it's coming down on the guy below. I always wanted the top. Yeah. That's my thing.
- [65:52]
Rachel Yucatel
Got it. So your personality and your hustle comes out and you start to run a business in there.
- [66:00]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, I went back to school, actually. I got a master's degree.
- [66:02]
Rachel Yucatel
Oh, cool.
- [66:03]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. I started writing my book, the California Kid. And I was like, okay, now what? What am I gonna do? Like, I got my master's degree. How am I gonna use it? And I started a business, and it was actually a mistake. I didn't know I was gonna start this business until it happened. It was an accident. I started taking my protein shakes, and what I would do is I take an empty peanut butter jar, and I put a bag of milk in there. Because in prison, you get bag. Bags of milk, and I put a bag of milk in there, and I would slice up bananas, and then I put a little peanut butter from the commissary. And we got these cheap protein shakes, and I'd throw them in there, and I'd shake them up like a shake protein shake. And in prison, we don't have refrigeration, so use a mop bucket, and you fill it with ice. And so every day, I'd put my protein shake on ice. So when I worked out with my crew, I'd come back and I'd drink the protein shake. I get back one day, and my cellie says, hey, we have no ice. The ice machine's broken. He says, there's, like, two ice inches left. I said, well, what do you want to do? He goes, if we put some salt on there, it'll keep it cold. We'll be good. So I was like, all right, throw some salt. So we throw some salt. I go work out. Four hours later, I come back, and my. My cell says, here, grab your shake. I grab my shake, and it's frozen. I'm like, I own. I. It's frozen, man. He's like, just eat it. So I eat it. It's like, dude, it's like protein ice cream. And he's like, he's. I told you it was good on. I'm like, dude, the ding, ding, ding. Like this. This bell went off in my head. This hustle mentality I have. I like, dude, ice cream in prison season. Like, this is going to be my hustle, right? And I wanted to see if it would work. So I made seven one day, and I gave them to all my workout crew and a couple guys in the cells, and they're like, dude, this is awesome. They're like, you should sell it. I'm like, what am I gonna sell it for? And I. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna say $15 because I don't really want to make it. But I was like, if someone pays 15 for this, it cost me A$50 to make. I'm like, that's a thousand percent more.
- [67:44]
Rachel Yucatel
And you mean sell it within the prison?
- [67:46]
Owen Hansen
Prison, yeah, yeah, that. Well, it's not a la allowed.
- [67:48]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. Oh. So. But up until then, how does it work? Your dad's putting money in the commentary.
- [67:52]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, I'm working. I'm making gloves for the US Military. I'm a sewer. Yeah. So I would sew, like, the fingers on the gloves.
- [67:59]
Rachel Yucatel
Oh, neat.
- [68:00]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
- [68:00]
Rachel Yucatel
With like, a machine or.
- [68:01]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
- [68:03]
Rachel Yucatel
Did you learn how to do that there?
- [68:04]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
- [68:05]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. So I saw from the. From the docu series, you have, like, a butler.
- [68:10]
Owen Hansen
I had a prison butler.
- [68:11]
Rachel Yucatel
Prison butler.
- [68:11]
Owen Hansen
Prison butlers are cheap.
- [68:12]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [68:13]
Owen Hansen
It's like $5 a week. Week.
- [68:14]
Rachel Yucatel
Great.
- [68:15]
Owen Hansen
And they do anything. They make my meal prep. They clean the room.
- [68:19]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [68:19]
Owen Hansen
They clean your car.
- [68:20]
Rachel Yucatel
Are these considered, like, little in prison or, like.
- [68:22]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, that's what I call them, but I. You can't use that word in prison, though.
- [68:27]
Rachel Yucatel
So you have, like, a staff working for you. You're starting to make a lot of money.
- [68:30]
Owen Hansen
I start making these ice creams now on the regular. I got, like, five employees, and we're all making these ice creams in the mop buckets, and we're shaking these things and we're selling them for football games. Right.
- [68:40]
Rachel Yucatel
And. All right, so you're doing well, and you're kind of. I wouldn't say happy, but, like, well, you found a purpose.
- [68:46]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, no, it was fun.
- [68:47]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. And you find out again, this is. Long story short, you find out you're getting out early.
- [68:52]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
- [68:53]
Rachel Yucatel
It's been nine and a half years. Did you flip out? I mean, when you found out that ultimate phone call. Okay, you're gonna be out of here.
- [68:59]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. It was like. You got goosebumps. You're like, what? Yeah, yeah.
- [69:02]
Rachel Yucatel
Did you ever think that would happen?
- [69:03]
Owen Hansen
No. No, not at all. It was like, literally, people, I say, you won the lottery in life. I did.
- [69:08]
Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Yeah.
- [69:08]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, no doubt.
- [69:10]
Rachel Yucatel
You get out and what made you think, oh, I want to continue doing this ice cream thing?
- [69:15]
Owen Hansen
Well, everyone's like, what do you want to do? I'm sitting in the halfway house, right? I'm like, man, what am I going to do? I'm convicted felon. And then I start doing some homework, and I'm like, there's nobody that makes a protein ice cream. Like, I was like, why is that? And then I remember talking to My friend.
- [69:30]
Rachel Yucatel
And, well, there's like, Halo, but I think it's like four flavors, five grams.
- [69:33]
Owen Hansen
Of protein per serving. Serving.
- [69:34]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay.
- [69:35]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. It's not a lot. Yeah.
- [69:36]
Rachel Yucatel
And they don't even have a lot of flavor. They don't taste kind of stuff. Yeah.
- [69:39]
Owen Hansen
I called my buddy from. Literally from. From here in Florida, and he's in. He's in Fort Lauderdale, and I tell him my. What I was doing, and he's like, well, how was prison? I said, you know, prisons sucked, man. But I said, man, I was hustling protein ice cream. Like, I used to sell that cocaine. And he's like, really? I said, he's like, dude, why don't you start a protein ice cream brand? There's nobody out here that has it. And, like, I was like, how would we do that? And he. He. He put together this team, and it was awesome. My buddy Roland came through, and he. He got me a CEO with the law degree to help me so I don't get in trouble again. And he's got me a.
- [70:14]
Rachel Yucatel
A branding guy, and it was the legitimate way.
- [70:16]
Owen Hansen
Yeah. So legitimate.
- [70:17]
Rachel Yucatel
So where. What is it called?
- [70:18]
Owen Hansen
It's called California Ice Protein.
- [70:20]
Rachel Yucatel
And it's sold where.
- [70:21]
Owen Hansen
It's sold in over 150 stores and gyms in Florida. Miami mostly.
- [70:28]
Rachel Yucatel
Okay. How many grams of California?
- [70:29]
Owen Hansen
20 grams of protein per bar. I actually brought you some. Yeah. So wait. It's. It's great. We direct consumer door to door. You go online, you can buy, you know, six, four packs, and we send them straight to you.
- [70:42]
Rachel Yucatel
Right. I love it. Two things. You've lived such a big life, an extraordinary life, and you have that addiction, I would say, to things that. That give you that rush.
- [70:55]
Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
And you're a hustler. I mean, I get it. I've. I'm the same way. What is gonna keep you away from the gambling and the booking and. Because these are all easy ways for you to just make that money back. Really?
- [71:06]
Owen Hansen
The easy scores. I already. The judge already told by lawyer, if. If I ever see Mr. Hansen in my courtroom again, he's getting a life sentence. That's enough right there. And to be honest, I don't. I don't have that urge. I have a new, like, my new rush is, like, so speaking now telling people about what I went through, and when I get in front of, like, 100 guys on a football team or 50 guys on a baseball team and I'm telling them my story, and their jaws are on the ground because they can't believe it, I tell them like, hey, this just, just gambling guys. You guys get involved in throwing a game or doing something illegal. I said, this is where it started for me. And like, I ended up working for the biggest cartel in the world. I said, you guys don't want to go down that path. It happens to athletes because we love adrenaline. We love to win.
- [71:52]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [71:53]
Owen Hansen
And it's, it's just a lesson learned. Like, that's my new rush.
- [71:56]
Rachel Yucatel
Right.
- [71:57]
Owen Hansen
Watching these kids faces going, wow. And just seeing them, someone speak to me and ask questions after.
- [72:02]
Rachel Yucatel
So are you going to try and start going on an official speaking tour and get a manager for all that?
- [72:06]
Owen Hansen
Yeah, I would like to. I've been doing it. I've probably spoke to three, four colleges already. Law enforcement has hired me now to speak for them. I probably got like six bookings for next year already. And they, they're, they're awesome. They love, they love to hear my story. Right. And I think they like to, you know, see how my mind works because it's, you know, I'm, I was a legitimate kingpin. And they want to see, like, what were your, your routes into, you know, other countries? What. What were your ideas? What made you do this? And I think my, my knowledge is, is pretty, pretty decent, and I think I can help them. And, you know, they gave me a second chance in life. I tell people if they didn't arrest me, I would have died for sure.
- [72:46]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [72:46]
Owen Hansen
So it's like a blessing. It's my, my give back.
- [72:49]
Rachel Yucatel
Right. And as long as you look at it, that time in prison was your time out to like, think about what, you know, to kind of recalibrate your, your mind to be like, what am I going to do going forward? Which, you know, brings me to one of my last questions, which is like, really? Now you're free, right? You could have spent another 10 years in prison at this point, and who knows what could have gone wrong in there and you in there longer. Whatever. What are you gonna do with your freedom? Like, your dad sort of says this in the docu series, and it gave me goosebumps to hear your dad be like, I was so nervous. Like, what are you gonna do? But it's, it's like, what's your bucket list? Like, do you want to be working for a company? You obviously have personality and that skill.
- [73:28]
Owen Hansen
I'm never gonna work, work for a company. I'm. I'm going to be the company. I want to be the Jeff Bezos of protein ice cream.
- [73:34]
Sponsor/Advertiser Voice
Right.
- [73:34]
Owen Hansen
I. I'm a hustler. I'm going to get to the top. And I like nice things. No doubt. But I don't need those things. I've lived that life. Like, I wake up every morning and people like, dude, do you ever have bad days anymore? I go, you guys don't even know. Like, every day I wake up, I, like, have to pinch myself because you're like, am I really out right now? Like, it's. I won the lottery.
- [73:54]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And I just. Just, you know, I don't. I don't care about the money. Like, I've. I've lived that life. I know it's going to come eventually because my mentality, my hustle mentality is not going to just let me be down here forever. Right?
- [74:05]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
- [74:06]
Owen Hansen
But it's. It's a humbling experience, and I needed that because if I didn't have it, I wouldn't be here today.
- [74:12]
Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. Last question. What is the most misunderstood thing about what you've been through or about you in general?
- [74:20]
Owen Hansen
I'm not. I'm not a violent person. You know, I'm a big teddy bear. I tell people I'm a koala bear. Right. I'm like, I'm. I've never hurt anybody. You know, people. Oh, you. You threaten. Listen, no one ever got hurt. Right. I threatened Robin Hood. Yeah. He lost $2.5 million, but no one ever got hurt. Yeah. And the way we collect money is it's a scare tactic to get paid. Right. At the end of the day, I'm a big koala bear.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay. Tell people where they can again, remind them where they can get your ice cream, where they can buy your book, and where they can see the docu series.
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Owen Hansen
Docu series is on Amazon Prime. It's called Cocaine Quarterback by Mark Wahlberg's unrealistic Ideas. My ice cream is californiaiceprotein.com and my book is thecaliforniakid.com awesome.
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Rachel Yucatel
Awesome. And last thing. I mean, what an honor that someone like Mark Wahlberg would come in and be like, dude, I love your story. I want to make it right.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah. They did an awesome job. They put it together perfectly. They. I mean, they covered every base, like, to the T. Yeah. Like, that's the real story. If anybody wants to read these other articles out there, those aren't the real stories.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
The real story had to be told through me. I was involved, and I couldn't speak on my story until I got released or my case was over.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And finally when Wahlberg's team came, they're like, dude, they did fact Checks for literally like three years to make sure all this was accurate. You know, this thing took five years to make. Right.
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Rachel Yucatel
Have you ever met Mark? Have you?
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Owen Hansen
Just through zooms. Yeah. I'm sure we're going to meet one day. We're going to do the. They're working on like a pre development of a scripted series.
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Rachel Yucatel
Oh, amazing.
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Owen Hansen
So that would be fun.
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Rachel Yucatel
Okay. And I guess. Sorry, one more question. What would be your advice for someone who is getting do going on this path? Like what. What is your biggest regret that you want to tell people about now?
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Owen Hansen
Not being myself. Right. A lot of kids experience this because they're trying to fit in and they're trying to be someone they're not. Just be yourself. Right. If. If I was myself and went down that straight, narrow path and didn't cross over into illegal activity because I wanted to be somebody else, you know, you're not going to get in trouble.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah.
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Owen Hansen
And that's my advice is be yourself. Don't cut corners in life and try to be someone you're not.
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Rachel Yucatel
Yeah. But I love that you've been to the bottom of the barrel. You know how to climb back out. You're gonna.
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Owen Hansen
There's only one way up. Right. We're at rock bottom right now.
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Rachel Yucatel
Right. But like, good for you. You said before we started, you know, I said, do you have a girlfriend? You're like, who's gonna wanna date me? Look at you. You're gorgeous. You obviously have a good head on your shoulder. You've been through a lot of shit. You're gonna find your way out. You're gonna make somebody very happy. And I hope one day you have a wonderful wife and kids and, you know, you can give that to your dad and you know, like, that would be something really important. And share your life with someone. Cause I feel like a lot of your story, you've been on your own.
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Owen Hansen
Yeah.
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Rachel Yucatel
And you've been alone, even though you're doing. And that kind of makes me sad for you. And I cannot wait for the time when you. You feel like you have a person of your own that and kids of your own that you can like share what a great guy you are and give them those skills. You have some real skills that clearly you shouldn't be ashamed about. Used them in the wrong ways. We all have in some way or another. And it's awesome that here you are, you get a second chance and you're making the best of it. So honestly, I wish you the best of it.
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Owen Hansen
Thank you so much, Rachel.
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Rachel Yucatel
It's been an honor to meet you.
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Owen Hansen
Thank you.
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Rachel Yucatel
Thank you so much for listening to Misunderstood. I'm your host Rachel Ukitel. Please be sure to subscribe to the show and give us a five star rating and review. You can support the show by joining our patreon@patreon.com misunderstood with Rachel Ukitel. Do you have ideas for the show or want to reach out? Email us at info infomisunderstoodpodcastmail.com that's spelled M I S S. Understood. Thank you so much and I'll see you next time.
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