Reality Rundown with Sarah Fraser: TLC’s Juiciest Headlines, Personal Updates, and a Little Friendly Fire

Summary

Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

Episode: Reality Rundown with Sarah Fraser: TLC’s Juiciest Headlines, Personal Updates, and a Little Friendly Fire

Released: January 19, 2026

Guests: Sarah Fraser (The Sarah Fraser Show/TSFS)
Host: Rachel Uchitel

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid crossover episode, Rachel Uchitel catches up with fellow podcaster Sarah Fraser for a “reality rundown,” full of juicy pop culture commentary, personal updates, and honest conversations about career, family, and the wild world of reality TV. The two friends delve into Sarah’s turbulent year, Rachel’s new marriage, the ins and outs of podcasting, TLC’s biggest reality shows, and the business (and awkwardness) behind booking high-profile podcast guests. Expect genuine banter, reality TV gossip, industry insight, and memorable moments.

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Personal Updates: Love Lives and Family Blends

Rachel's New Marriage and Family

• Rachel reveals details about meeting her husband, Dan, on Bumble nearly five years ago, initially dismissing him as “just a security guard”—before realizing he owned multiple global security companies. (04:14)
  • “I was like, I mean, he’s so nice, but I don’t date the security guard. I date the guy who owns the…runs the party. So I just didn’t…I was like, whatever.” – Rachel (04:31)
  • Dan's businesses include Olympic and Super Bowl-level security and canine explosive detection.
• Rachel is now “Mrs. Donovan” and describes settling into blended family life as a “Brady Bunch” scenario. She’s become a step-grandmother whom her grandchildren call “Zsa Zsa,” the “fancy grandmother.” (06:26)
• Rachel describes the challenges and joys of blending households, including Dan bonding with her teenage daughter through volleyball and family dinners. (07:04)
  • "The greatest joy of his life is being a stepfather. He's super cool as a stepfather, like having a teenager again." – Rachel (07:43)
• A year of dramatic events: house renovations, wedding drama (“Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong”), People magazine exclusive, and a “Dirty Dancing” first dance at her wedding (09:41).

Rachel’s Celebrity-Studded Wedding

• Guests included: Heather McDonald, Jill Zarin, Bam Margera, NYC fire commissioner, and other media figures. Notable last-minute cancellations included Dr. Drew and Rudy Giuliani (the latter sent a video because he had to attend Trump’s party). (10:28)
• Wedding fun fact: Jill Zarin’s facelift is praised as "one of the best" and Heather McDonald’s ageless looks are discussed (12:05).

Sarah’s Tumultuous Year: Loss, Pregnancy, and Persistence

• Sarah recounts a traumatic, rollercoaster year, including:
  • The sudden death of her beloved uncle (“gunkle”), executor drama, family secrets, “living his best life” in a gay leather fraternity (23:17)
    • “He joined a gay leather fraternity where he would go every weekend, dress up in leather and get beat…and electrocute his balls.” - Sarah (02:19, 24:57)
  • Multiple miscarriages, a cousin’s suicide, struggles with natural pregnancy and IVF, ultimately leading to a successful pregnancy via egg donor. (26:54–32:09)
    • "It's been three years...three pregnancies, three miscarriages, including my uncle died. Then one of my favorite cousins committed suicide." – Sarah (26:54)
    • On egg donation: “You don't meet them. You don't know their name...We bought eight eggs. Loved the woman...She wanted to pay her way through college." – Sarah (30:16)
  • Currently eight months pregnant (32:14), expecting a “surprise” baby after years of trying.
    • “The baby is almost four pounds...I'm so excited.” (32:09, 32:22)

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The Reality TV Rundown: TLC, Bravo, and Niche Fandoms

TLC Obsessions and Recaps

Sarah, a self-described reality TV superfan, details her deep dive into TLC programming:

• Sister Wives: The show’s evolution, Kody Brown’s divorces, spin-offs like Seeking Sister Wife (“Epic!”), and the enduring appeal of “reality trash.” (34:46)
  • “The Welcome to Plathville one is about a family in Cairo, Georgia, uber religious…They never gave their kids...kids didn't even know self phones existed.” – Sarah (35:18)
• Welcome to Plathville: An ultra-sheltered religious family becoming reality TV gold as they discover the outside world (35:18).
• My 600-lb Life and Dr. Now’s deadpan delivery ("You're too fat. You need to lose another 145 pounds, or you will die.") (37:13, 37:50)
• Discussion of TLC’s formula and criticism: “Not to be rude, trailer trash type of stuff where they turn these people into stars and then all of a sudden they...crash and burn.” – Rachel (36:24)

Bravo and Reality TV Cross-Chatter

• Contrast between Sarah’s TLC focus and her podcast partner David Yontef’s Bravo-heavy coverage. Discussion of the decline of Bravo’s cultural dominance (38:36).
• Rachel recommends the new Netflix series “Members Only: Palm Beach” - labeling it a “train wreck” but highly watchable (40:59).

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“Behind the Headlines”: Notable Guests, Fame, and Podcasting Real Talk

Booking Guests: Money, Edits, and Candid Behind-the-Scenes

• Both share tales of booking high-profile guests—and the sometimes shocking sums requested (Ryan Lochte: $3,500–$5,000; Marla Maples: $3,500; Conrad Murray: $50,000) and the politics of who will talk freely and for what price. (65:53–66:39)
  • "He wanted $50,000." (Conrad Murray) – Rachel (66:33)
  • “If I'm paying you, you’re coming on for 60 minutes and you're going to...you can decline to answer, but I'm not going to not ask you a question.” – Sarah (65:39)
• Sarah says editing requests from reality personalities drain her time, while Rachel notes most of her guests (often misunderstood public figures) rarely ask for edits (69:09).
• Rachel pays some guests out of pocket (Susan Powter) for financial hardship, but not typically for exposure value (54:54, 54:31).

Building a Podcast Brand: Realities and Aspirations

• Sarah's path: from morning radio to “The Sarah Fraser Show,” through syndication, rebranding, and now 10 years in podcasting (43:11–44:57).
  • “My podcast actually turns 10 years old this year. In 2016, I started my podcast.” – Sarah (44:57)
• Sarah now teaches a podcasting course ("how to start" for $9, up to a $900 "six-figure roadmap"), consults, and discusses the challenges and opportunities in independent media (60:12–61:21).
• Rachel focuses more on “misunderstood” headline-makers and guests with deeper stories—Greg Louganis, Sean Spicer, Lorena Bobbitt, Jay Paterno (Penn State scandal), and the daughter of Joey Buttafuoco—giving people space to tell their full story (52:31, 68:13).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On reality TV's formula (Dr. Now):
  "You're too fat...You need to lose another 145 pounds or you will die." – Rachel (37:40)
• On worldview changes after loss:
  "Life is sometimes really full circle. The very first date he and my uncle went on...was at the Met, was at the opera, and then he died there." – Sarah (26:01)
• On self-help influencers:
  "Who the fuck is Mel Robbins? Did something, is she a doctor? Did something happen to her early in her life that she knows all this stuff she’s talking about?" – Rachel (48:46)
• On Susan Powter's downfall:
  "No one knows this besides George, but I...put $500 in an envelope and pretended like we paid...She had like fifteen hundred dollars to her name and lives in like, a little apartment in Las Vegas." – Rachel (54:54)
• On podcasting independence:
  "If you can create your own brand and your own show...you have your own credibility, the expert of what you want to be." – Rachel (59:51)

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Industry Insight & Podcast Behind-the-Scenes

• The business of podcasting: Negotiating talent fees, boundaries on what can be asked, choosing when to “play ball” vs. draw the line for good content (65:39–68:01).
• Pay transparency: Rachel has rarely paid for guests (outside of compassionate gestures); Sarah says payment requests are increasingly common for “names.”
• Podcast branding and trends: Discussion around authenticity, niche fandoms, and the hustle of building and scaling a show in a crowded and changing industry (46:15–47:17, 59:18).

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Security Insights & a Glimpse into the Future

• Rachel teases a future episode with husband Dan about event and school security, current threats (not always “ISIS”—often domestic actors), and modern approaches like canine detection units (73:28–77:22, 74:03).
• Example: Recent school security incidents, secret service overprotection, safety debates.

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Pop Culture and Social Trends

• Trends in reality TV: From “Amish rumspringa” stories, to Sister Wives spinoffs, to Netflix poaching Palm Beach society dramas, and the virality of “reality trash.”
• Crossover of influencers, “self-help” stars (Mel Robbins, Jay Shetty), and podcasting’s blurred line between expert and entertainer.

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Final Highlights and Looking Forward

• Sarah previews upcoming TSFS guests: Suki from Sister Wives’ “One on Ones,” Kim Kardashian’s hairdresser (on book tour), and her planned expansion into on-the-street, investigative, and reality-based podding (69:33–70:45, 61:32–63:13).
• Both vow to continue their engaging, cross-pollinated podcast partnership and wish each other well—Sarah with the new baby (due February 26), Rachel enjoying newlywed life and podcast growth.

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Timestamps of Key Segments

Rachel’s Marriage & Blended Family: 04:09–09:41
Wedding Stories & Celeb Guests: 10:14–13:24
Sarah’s Year of Loss & Pregnancy Journey: 23:17–32:09
Podcasting Real Talk/Guest Booking: 65:53–68:13
Reality TV Deep Dive (TLC, Bravo, New Trends): 34:05–47:17
Memorable Quotes About Podcasting & Fame: 47:17–50:29
Future Security Episodes Teaser: 73:28–77:22
Upcoming Projects & Closing Banter: 69:33–72:56

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In Summary

This episode is a fast-paced, candid, and often hilarious look into the lives and thoughts of two reality-obsessed podcast pros. It’s full of personal vulnerability, pop culture dish, industry wisdom, and deep dives on both headlining guests and everyday challenges. Whether you love TLC, podcasting insights, or a peek “behind the headline,” you’ll want to tune in for the chemistry, the confessions, and the ongoing mission to rewrite misunderstood stories.

Transcript

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[Rachel Yukatel]

On Misunderstood with Rachel Yucatel. So last time I saw you, was I single?

[Sarah Frazier]

Last time I saw you, you were sworn off men. You were like, bitter. You were never dating again.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I can't get into details of what happened during the wedding, but there was a drama that should have had the cameras rolling.

[Sarah Frazier]

All right, I'll stop grilling you about all your friends that I love all the tea on.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, wait, is David Yontiff still even podcasting?

[Sarah Frazier]

Somebody said, would you like to reconcile with.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You could have picked nine people that he's not talking to.

[Sarah Frazier]

Well, they did. They did. They went through the list. Margaret Joseph's, Kim d. Kelly Dodd, Dr. Now from that show is my favorite because he'll come in and tell them how fat they are.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He's just kind of like, she's fat.

[Sarah Frazier]

Look at her. She'll die. You want her to die. He was 73 when he died, and he had joined a gay leather fraternity where he would go every weekend, dress up in leather and get beat. And then I think he was like, electrocute, shooting his balls.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So. So, yeah. Last time we saw each other, I just heard you and George talking. We didn't film at all in 2025.

[Sarah Frazier]

I can't even believe that. Rachel. How is that possible? Well, I actually know it's possible because my 2025 was such a show. It was so. It was. I. I'm trying to think of prior to 2025, a year where I had so many highs and so many lows in one year. Because usually you just have a bad year the whole year.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Sarah Frazier]

Was crazy.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wait, so last time I saw you, was I single?

[Sarah Frazier]

This is what I was saying to you starting to say. Last time I saw you, you were sworn off men. You were like, I think you hated men. You were, like, bitter. You were never dating. There were no good men in Florida. It was awful. Like, it was. I don't know, I kind of thought you were going to join this lesbian train and I was really.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I was going to become a late in life lesb.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes. I sort of saw you. Kyle Richards.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Like, I'm too scared of vagina. I'm not like, I'm not like that.

[Sarah Frazier]

Tell me everything. How did you meet Dan? What? Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, so I met him on Bumble, like, four and a half years ago. And the funny thing was, is I was living in the Hamptons for the summer, and people that have listened to my show probably know this already, so I'm boring them. But I'll say it very quickly for you. He was there. He lives in Florida, but he. He was in the Hamptons doing Michael Rubin's White Party, which is a very famous party, and all the celebrities go to it. And they had hired him to essentially do all the security for it. And so he called me, I spoke to him, we had this nice conversation. I hung up the phone and I was like, I mean, he's so nice, but I don't date the security guard. I date the guy who owns the. Runs the party. So I just didn't. I was like, whatever. And then a couple years later, I moved to Florida. He keeps asking me out, like, you know, whatever. Long story short, I finally go out with him and I realized he was very alpha. I realized he was not a security guard. He owns four massive security companies that do, you know, weapons detection and all that. You know, the major stuff for like Olympics, Super Bowl, Formula one, Google, Oracle, whatever, and, and all over the world too. So since he's been with me, he started another two companies which by the way, one of the guys that is a CEO of one of his companies and runs another one is somebody I had on my show. And that's how he met him. And so he got into the, the dog, the canine for explosive detection, weapons detection. He got into that business. So he has one business that trains the handlers and the dogs and he has another business that deploys them to all the events or schools or, you know, wherever, that kind of thing. So anyway, so here we are. I'm Mrs. Donovan now. Nice to meet you.

[Sarah Frazier]

I'm like, she's such a proper Irish woman now. I'm so, I like, I love it. Like, okay. Excuse me. You could tell, you're now like Donovan, Irish. He's such a, like handsome Irish guy. And he's tall, right?

[Rachel Yukatel]

He looks like he's 6 4, his daughter is 6 4, his son is 6 6, and his daughter just got married to someone who is. Sorry. His son is 67 and the son in law is 6x. So I look like a little mini mouse compared to all of them.

[Sarah Frazier]

How's blended family life going?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, it's so good. Like, I love kids. His daughter just got married like three months before we got married and then she had a baby the month before we got, before we got married. So I am now a step, step grandmother. And my name I named myself because I didn't want to be granny. My name is Zsa Zsa.

[Sarah Frazier]

All right.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I like Zaja because I'm the fancy grandmother.

[Sarah Frazier]

How's your daughter taking it? Like, does your. Because I'm assuming your daughter. You guys are all living together, right? The three of you?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yes, he lives with my, me and my daughter and my three dogs. Yeah, and his kids are older, so they're, they're not here. They're in their 20s. But she, at first, you know, she felt like it was her and I, and she's 13 and it's a tough age anyways. And he's the greatest kind of family man. So it took a while for her to like be all on board and he had to be like, love you, Wyatt. And then she'd be like, uh huh. And now like, you know, we listen. We're at her volleyball tournaments every weekend. We're at practice Tuesdays and Thursdays, 6:30 to 9:00 clock at night. He's there for every practice. He's coaching her.

[Sarah Frazier]

He.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He's, you know, every night, their last night, they cooked dinner together. Like they're two pizza, two peas in a pod. And the greatest joy of his life is being a stepfather. He's super cool as a stepfather. Like having a teenager again. So he's all in, which is awesome.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay, this is amazing. How are your ex taking. Is your ex husband taking this well, or is he.

[Rachel Yukatel]

They're good friends, so that really easier.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah. Yep.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wow.

[Sarah Frazier]

This is very Brady Bunch. This is so fun.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I know it is Brady Bunch because he just had a baby like, a year ago. And so, you know, whatever. And I haven't gotten along with them for a very long time. So anyways, it's made it all very nice, and, you know, now hopefully things will be a little more boring because in the course of a year, I got engaged. I, you know, got this blended family that we had to go to his daughter's wedding. She had a baby. We did a whole home renovation. My pipe burst in my house. And we had to basically, you know, do like, $700,000. Like, a lot of it was insurance money. But of totally renovating the house outside. Cause we decided to have a wedding here. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. And up until the day before the wedding, we flew in Tim Story, who's a very famous, like, life coach and comeback coach, who is a very close person to me. He was walking me down the aisle, and the officiant. And he calls. He lands. He calls and says, I can't make it to the rehearsal. I'm projectile vomiting. I don't know if I can make it at all. And so we're just like, who's gonna walk me down the aisle? Who's gonna be the officiant at the wedding? Like, all these crazy things went on. But anyway, I hope you saw the pictures. They look great. People magazine did cover it exclusively, which was really nice. And we ended up. Our first dance was, you know, the. The time of our lives.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes. You reenacted Dirty Dancing. That was so impressive. Yep. And my hands got good balance, baby. I mean, I nailed it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I got up there, so I was like, you know, eight feet in the air by the time I was up over his head. And it was. It was scary, but it was so fun. It was like, such a moment.

[Sarah Frazier]

I can't believe that wedding was at your house. That is. I almost did that. And then when you start, it's such a pain, like you're.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, my God. I was like, oh, well, it'll Save money because we'll decorate the house all night. No. We could have had a wedding, you know, in a castle in Europe and brought everyone with us, and it would have been less expensive. So. Anyway, whatever. But it was beautiful. Okay, enough about me.

[Sarah Frazier]

There's so many more things I want to ask you. Okay, go.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, go ahead. Just.

[Sarah Frazier]

Well, okay. Who else was it? I'm, you know, I'm obsessed with Heather McDonald. I love juicy Scoop. Who else? Was there any other influencers that we love at the wedding? Because 200 people or how many?

[Rachel Yukatel]

It was 140, let's say. Yeah, a couple. A couple people had to cancel at the last minute. Dr. Drew canceled at the last minute. He was going to come. Rudy Giuliani canceled at the last minute. But he did send me a video saying the only reason and the only person that would stop him from making it to my wedding was the President of the United States. And President Trump had requested him at his New Year's Eve party, so he had to go. So it was very cute. But let's see. So I had Heather McDonald there. I had Jill Zarin. Oh, yeah, that was there. I had Bam Margera, who was on Jackass.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay. That's who I saw. Yes, yes.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Him and his wife, who I'm very close with and I love. And it's my birthday in two weeks. They're actually gonna come to my birthday party as well. So I become close friends with them. I'm trying. I mean, we had so many random people. I had the. So I don't know if you saw the news. I don't know how much New York news you saw, but the. The fire commissioner stepped down and. And had been. Now a new person had come in, and it was a lesbian who had never been a fireman. And everybody was. It was all. Well, the fire commissioner that had stepped down was actually at our wedding. A lot of these people I became friends with because I interviewed them for the show. So he came. So that was fun to have him there. You know, a couple famous journalists like Dylan Ratigan, who was on cnbc, and people you may or may not know.

[Sarah Frazier]

But anyway, how is Jill Zarin's facelift in real life?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, I mean, I've seen her a couple times. She looks great. She looks fantastic to me.

[Sarah Frazier]

Looks so good.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And Heather, I don't know if she had a facelift or not, but. Looks amazing.

[Sarah Frazier]

No, I was going to say the same thing. Heather. I need to call Heather and find out what she's doing, because Heather is aging in reverse. She looks amazing. Her body something I feel like she did. I don't know if Heather discloses her her tweaks, but she looks so good these days. She looks so good. Jill Zarin's facelift is one of the best. And of course, Kris Jenner's like, I need that code word.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, I don't think Kris Jenner's looks so good in real life. That's what I've heard.

[Sarah Frazier]

I did see that one red carpet shot where people were saying, okay, yeah, like, a lot of it, you know, yes, the facelift looks good because she's 71 or something. 72. But overall, like, it's not like it was this miracle.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, I heard that, too. Well, you know who I have on my show in two weeks is Trish McAvoy. And do you know she's, like, in her 70s, and she literally looks like she's 40? Have you ever looked her up? I didn't even know what she looked like.

[Sarah Frazier]

Is she makeup?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, Trish McAvoy, the iconic. It's like Bobby Brown Trish McAvoy. You know, whatever. This woman looks like, she's our age. In between my age and your age. I think you're younger than me, obviously. And she. How good does she look for someone in her 70s?

[Sarah Frazier]

What? She's in her 70s?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yes. So I can't wait to ask her.

[Sarah Frazier]

Are you freaking kidding?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, you know who else I had at the wedding? Anna Kincaros. Conquerors. Whatever. From Housewives of Miami.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, Anna Kincos.

[Rachel Yukatel]

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[Sarah Frazier]

What's going on with her daughter? Is There any hope?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yes. Kelly loves her daughter, and I think she definitely is just waiting for her daughter to start talking to her again. I mean, I don't want to get involved in all that. But, Kel, listen, I know.

[Sarah Frazier]

I know I'm putting you on the side.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I know that people think a lot about Kelly sometimes. She could be a lot. She says what she thinks, but, you know, I can't get into details of what happened this during the wedding, but there was a drama that should have had. We should have had the cameras rolling and a whole apology had to happen, and it was a whole thing. But, you know, that's just par for the course with Kelly, and she, you know, sometimes puts her foot in her mouth. But thank God I'm not on her bad side. I like. Listen, I like her. I don't talk to her about politics. I don't talk bad about people with her. We just have a fun friendship, and I like her and I enjoy her and her. And by the way, one of the most. You know, the. One of the people that. That struck my husband the most, he came up to me later and was like, you know, Rick Leventhal has told me so many times how honored he is to be here and how appreciative and. Cause we set up a whole week, like, three days for people. We had our boat captain take everybody out on the boat ride. We had a welcome dinner at the breakers. And, like, so a lot of people got to know each other ahead of time. So it was like more of a fun, intimate wedding anyway, you know, it was. It was great. It was.

[Sarah Frazier]

All right, I'll stop grilling you about all your friends that I love all the tea on.

[Rachel Yukatel]

No, well, wait, speaking of friends or ex friends, are you still. I don't know if maybe he's blocked me for every. From everything, but is David Yontif still even podcasting?

[Sarah Frazier]

We're still podcasting. We're still.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Are you guys. Oh, you guys are doing it together still?

[Sarah Frazier]

You know, we only do it, like, twice. We do two shows. Two, sometimes three shows a week. And then he has his show and I have mine. Yeah, I wonder.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Two to three times a week.

[Sarah Frazier]

We usually record two episodes. We've been doing that for four years now. We do a pod trade every week.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, I didn't know. Yes.

[Sarah Frazier]

Like two episodes. Yeah, he's still around. He's still kicking.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, so he must have blocked me from everything because I didn't even know he was in business. I've never. I never see one post about him.

[Sarah Frazier]

I feel like he recently said something about reconciling. You know what? We did a virtual live podcast and somebody said, who would you like to reconcile with? Between. I think Margaret, you could have picked.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Nine people that he's not talking to. But. Okay, they did.

[Sarah Frazier]

They did. They went through the list. Margaret Joseph's. You. Oh, my God. Who else? Okay. Kim D. Anyway, they did.

[Rachel Yukatel]

They listed Kelly Dodd.

[Sarah Frazier]

And he said you. So he said he'd most likely like to reconcile with you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I said, I'm more honored the fact that I was in a list of people that are actually famous people.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes. Yeah. And Anakin Kose. He and Anna, they were. They were co hosting a podcast and then they had a falling out.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. So everyone, basically, that was at my wedding.

[Sarah Frazier]

I don't know how I always say to David, and actually, it's so bad. I've been. This year has been so crazy. I've been the worst co host. So I, I keep thinking he'll.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Why do you think you've been. Why do you think you've been a bad co host?

[Sarah Frazier]

Well, nor. Okay, we do these virtual live podcasts probably like three times a year. Like, I, I don't even. He promotes, like, all the ticket sales. I don't even promote. I'm too busy to promote.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I have so many people show up for that.

[Sarah Frazier]

Anywhere from like 50 to 70.

[Rachel Yukatel]

No way. And they're all in your, like, zoom. Is that how it happens?

[Sarah Frazier]

You.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You should do one and they ask you questions about what we.

[Sarah Frazier]

So we withhold, like, a lot of the personal stuff. Right. Like the. Where his relationship stands with you or with Anna or wherever. We kind of like save all that. And, you know, he and Kelly had some beef, too. Like maybe in the fall. I'm trying to think of what happened.

[Ali Jackson]

I don't know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

They did.

[Sarah Frazier]

Anyhow, Rick and Kelly, you know, they said something about David on their podcast. David said something about blah, blah, blah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay.

[Sarah Frazier]

So anyhow, we save all that. So people, come on. For $30, everybody gets to ask one question. They can ask anything as messy as they want, we have to answer.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Do they get the mic or they have to type it in the chat?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, they get the mic. So. So we usually go based on every time we do something different. Alphabetical by first name, alphabetical by last name, something like that. Some people don't want to ask a question. They just want to hear the tea. And then everybody else wants to hear either tea or they want, like, David's insight on Bravo stuff. Or they'll ask me about sister wives or they'll ask about personal things.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, got it, got it. Okay. Fun. I love it. So you have not had a falling out with him yet ever?

[Sarah Frazier]

I guess I'm the only one. I'm on this island and I don't know what to say to people. I know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I don't know what it is.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, we get along fine every week. But I think it's because I, you know, I say this to David too, so I'm not saying anything I wouldn't say to his face. But I've literally probably for the last year and a half and I think, you know, this being a mom and especially I have a four year old and now pregnant, I like, I don't call him at all. So I think we don't speak for.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, so you're not like really friends, like. Cause the problem was is I used to call him every morning on my drive back after I dropped off my daughter. It would be 8:15 on the dot. Cause she'd get out of the car and then I'd hit send on my phone and I'd call him and I'd be like, what are you doing? And we'd just like talk about nothing. And then he'd be like, I'm busy. Stop bothering me. You know, like that's how our day would go. And I'd be like, how are you busy? It's only 8:15 in the morning, you know, so anyways, all right, let's move on from David now. You have had a very big year.

[Sarah Frazier]

I look like crap. I need the face.

[Rachel Yukatel]

First of all. It's so amazing because your face is. Well, you're pregnant. Are you eight months pregnant?

[Sarah Frazier]

Eight months? Girl, 33 weeks.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Wow. But you look great. But your face is filled out a little bit, so it looks like you. It looks like you got a facelift because you're all nice and taut and your lips look like you got filler. You look fucking sick like you should be. Yeah, you couldn't. If you didn't show me your belly, I would be like, oh my God, she looks like she's 15.

[Sarah Frazier]

I'm swollen and puffy. Okay, well, that's good. Well, maybe it is all the hormones. Okay, that, that looks. That's good. Okay. I. My year went like this. So last January, I started my year. My favorite Gunkle died of a massive heart attack at the Met in New York. My brother and I are his executors. And when I tell you there has been. For the love of God, will you and Dan Please do. A trust we have.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Sarah Frazier]

Get a lawyer to be your executor and, like, make it so clear about who's getting what. It's been I. A nightmare beyond a nightmare.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Why? Because all these people came out of the woodwork and want something.

[Sarah Frazier]

Well, he has no money. Yeah. So he promised all these people money, told them that they're calling us. I'm like, doll, I. He doesn't have two nickels to rub together, but, you know, he looked like he lived this, like, lavish lifestyle. And so, you know, and. And, like, basically, from the moment the person dies, you're on the hook, like, with the hospital. They're like, well, you can't leave his body here. We're really sorry. We're sending you condolences. Oh, by the way, what do you want to do with this body? It needs to be moved out of here in, like, 72 hours. You're like, okay, so then I'm paying. You know, I'm paying for all these things. It's. It was so crazy. And he is a character who I need to do a podcast series on because he wanted to come on the podcast. He was 73 when he d. And he had joined a gay leather fraternity, and he was living his best life in a gay leather, New Jersey fraternity, where he would go every weekend, dress up in leather, and get beat and hot.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Then.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, do you think this has something to do with why he had a heart attack?

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes, 100%. I think he was living an extreme life at 73. Wow.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I love that. Wait, did he only come out as being gay late in life?

[Sarah Frazier]

Life? Oh, no. Gay the whole time. He was married to my biological uncle for 40 years.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, got it, got it, got it.

[Sarah Frazier]

And my bio uncle passed away seven years ago, and then it was like he went completely off the rails. Like, he. My uncle kept him on track, joined a gay leather fraternity, was going out every weekend, dressing up in leather, getting beat. Had the leather name Forge.

[Rachel Yukatel]

What do you mean, getting beat? How do you know he was getting beat?

[Sarah Frazier]

He would call me and tell me the stories. They, like, tie each other up and whip each other for hot sex. I know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Gosh.

[Sarah Frazier]

I'm like, doesn't this. And then I think he was, like, electrocuting his balls. I'm like, doesn't this hurt? I mean, what are you doing? At 73, he was living his best life, but he was a Met, as.

[Rachel Yukatel]

In the museum, the Metropolitan Opera.

[Sarah Frazier]

He died in the parking lot of the Metropolitan Opera.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Before or after the opera?

[Sarah Frazier]

After which I do feel like, what's so eerie is life is sometimes really full circle. The very first date, he and my uncle went on, and then they were together for, like, 40 years. Was at the Met, was at the opera, and he died. I know. And then he died there. He was.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He was himself.

[Sarah Frazier]

What's that?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Was he by himself?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, he was with his, like, new boyfriend. Okay.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So he got to see an opera, and he got to go out on top of the world.

[Sarah Frazier]

He really didn't know.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And on a high note, no pun intended. I mean, this is great.

[Sarah Frazier]

Like, emergency doctor told me. He's like, I'm really sorry, and I feel so terrible for you, but he's like, this is the best way to die. He's like, he was probably dead in five minutes, and there was no resuscitating unless an ambulance was, like, right there, maybe.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, my God. Okay, well, God rest his soul. I'm so sorry. And then you had been trying to get pregnant for ages, right?

[Sarah Frazier]

It's been. Okay, so My son is 4, and I had him at 39. So from essentially 40 to now, I'm 43. It's been three years. Yeah. I was trying to get pregnant, and in that time frame, three pregnancies, three miscarriages, including my uncle died. I found out I was pregnant a couple weeks later. I miscarried. Then one of my favorite cousins committed suicide. I'm telling you, it was like a wild, wild year.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm sorry.

[Sarah Frazier]

It was. And I never knew anyone personally who took their own lives, you know, I knew somebody through somebody. You know what I mean?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. But no one, like, close, were they Somebody who you felt, like, had a lot of issues?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, that was the scariest part. I had to go to my therapist to try to understand it because she was a woman that was so put together. Hair always done, makeup always done, high finance job, married, two daughters. Yep. The daughters were, like, 19. Are 19 and 21.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And we're sure it was suicide? It wasn't an accidental.

[Sarah Frazier]

No, she left a note. Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

It was really terrible. Oh, gosh.

[Sarah Frazier]

I know. It was. It was really. It's been really, really hard.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I'm sorry.

[Sarah Frazier]

Then I had a miscarriage. Then I. You know, I.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Every time you were getting pregnant these last times, was it natural or you were doing ivf?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, all natural, but I had chromosome issues. So this last baby was down syndrome and Turner syndrome and miscarried at nine weeks? Yes. So my IVF doctor was like, look, whatever you believe in, you want to thank the lucky stars the down syndrome, you could have dealt with. But Turner syndrome, like most children, do not live to teen you. It's.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So when I asked, like, if you had found out that whole thing, what would you have done?

[Sarah Frazier]

Anyway?

[Rachel Yukatel]

I. I.

[Sarah Frazier]

No, I don't know. I kept praying. I was like, don't. I just. I don't want to make that.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Want that choice. All right, for you.

[Sarah Frazier]

Every pregnancy I've ever had, I've always said to God, don't make me, like, don't. I don't want to decide. Don't put me in that position. You know, if this baby is healthy and meant to be, let it be. And if it's not, like, then it's not so. And I've had what I've had, like, everything. Molar pregnancy, which is when two sperm fertilize one egg. Baby can't live. I've had. Let's see, what else? Okay, so Turner syndrome, down syndrome, trisomy 9. I had a trisomy 9 miscarriage, which is the. The ninth chromosome is missing. Also very hard for a baby to live. Wait, say it again.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Which would have meant what, like, it doesn't develop.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, I think, like, severe deformities. You know what I mean? It doesn't develop. Right.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So this time it's taken and. But you did this ivf, correct?

[Sarah Frazier]

I did. Egg donor. It's not my egg. Because basically, I'm a person where, like, I've gone to, I don't know, two or three different experts or whatever, and they're like, look, it's just your age, you know, you. Old girl. You should have been doing IVF back when you were 30 and these eggs. And you could spend all the money you want on IVF, but once you hit 42, IVF is very hard for it to work. You only have about a 20% chance of it actually working.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Do you pick the egg? Do you pick the genetics or whatever, the characteristics of this person? Did you get to meet the person?

[Sarah Frazier]

You don't meet them. You don't know their name. You don't know where they live. They can only be a donor, I believe, three times in their lifetime. And we bought eight eggs. Loved the woman. Most of the women that donate their eggs either work in fertility, so they've seen women struggle, or they have, like, sisters that have worked. They're usually adjacent to the fertility world. Or. I think my girl was really honest and she wanted to pay her way through college. Got it. You know, you make, like, 15k.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Ali Jackson]

Per.

[Sarah Frazier]

Per, like, retrieval. Okay, so she did it and she already had two of her own kids, so she was like, I have two of my own babies. I really want to do this. I really want to pay off my college loans. I'm like, I appreciate the honesty.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Like, okay, so you got eight and one took, or you have the others frozen right now? No.

[Sarah Frazier]

Do you know only one made it to blast and one in that one took? None of the others? No. I have zero storage fees because none of the others made it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, and so what does this mean? This means that. Did you do all the testing and find out everything that was going on? And it's all good. And we're. We're good to go.

[Sarah Frazier]

Good to go. So she had to have genetic testing anyway, and then my husband and so they could not be crossover carriers of anything, which they weren't. And then we actually didn't do PGT testing because they usually say, like, with a donor under the age of 30, their chances are that they're going to have chromosomal issues are much smaller than, you know, myself, like, if obviously doing it on my own. So we did, like, an IPT test at 11, 10, 11 weeks. All was good there. I went in for the high risk sonogram anatomy scan. Everything was good. I went for a fetal echocardiogram. Baby's heart was awesome. So here we are. Baby's almost £4.

[Rachel Yukatel]

When's the due date?

[Sarah Frazier]

Six week to go. Six weeks scheduled. C section, February 26th.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So excited. Oh, my God. Well, I'm so excited. Do we know what it is?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, we're gonna be surprised.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, my God. One of the last really big surprises of a lifetime. That is exciting.

[Sarah Frazier]

Well, I went to my ob GYN this week, and I told him. I'm like, I kind of. I'm doing. I'm having a little baby shower first of February. And I'm like, I kind of want to know. And he's like, absolutely not. He's like, you've come this far. You will have to. You will have to, like, drag this out of me.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm not telling you, but it's kind of fun to have a. A bab reveal. I always watch those on Instagram, and I think they're really fun.

[Sarah Frazier]

Me too. Like, boy or girl? I know. I'm gonna do a big baby reveal.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. All right, well, it'll be a baby reveal when it actually comes out of your body. So you should have. You should have the doctor have, like, you know, different colored confetti. And then, you know, behind the blanket, they could just throw the Confetti. The color of the confetti on you.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, maybe I'll tell him to do that. Yeah, I think he'll love that. He keeps telling me, I'm gonna put a diaper on the child, so you have to wait even longer. I'm like, don't you diaper? I'm like, you better tell me immediately. My OB is really fun. He's like, super. Very California.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm so excited for you, and I wish you the best of luck with all that.

[Sarah Frazier]

I'm loving it. I'm so excited.

[Rachel Yukatel]

All right, so let's get to. You know, we've done crossover shows a bunch. People love our chemistry. I think we always talk about, like, pop culture and stuff. I want to do a little bit of. I want to hear what you're covering and all that, because I feel like you're so deep into Sister Wives and Sisters of Sisters of Sisters of Wives and all these shows. So I want to hear, like, what your. What your niche is now. But, like, I kind of want to hear. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure people on your show know, but I want to hear a little bit about how you got into this, because I know you have a background in broadcasting or radio or whatever, and I want people to, like, kind of hear how you got into this from, you know, what did you want to be when you were little? I've never known this about you.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, well, I've always wanted to be a talk show host, so I feel like I'm doing it in my own version. The podcast, you know, TSFS is still very TLC heavy. I am seem so drawn to those shows, like you were saying, Sister Wives. Sister Wives is still my number one, probably most downloaded episodes, which, for people who haven't watched it but maybe heard about it, is essentially a family where Kody Brown was the patriarch and he had four wives. They moved around from Las Vegas to Utah because polygamy is still illegal in this country, but nobody really gets prosecuted for it. But you can only marry one person at a time, right?

[Ali Jackson]

Right.

[Sarah Frazier]

Anyhow, two years, probably about three years ago now, three of his wives all left him. They were done. And he declared his love for one wife, Robyn. And So these past three seasons, 18, 19, 20, have really been the dissolving of this family that has been on reality television since 2010. Obsessed with the show. It's so bizarre. Then from that, TLC has launched a show called Seeking Sister Wife, which is. Is about guys who want to be Kody Brown and are Searching for multiple wives. Epic. Then welcome to Plathville is another one that's big. These are very niche shows, but it's just. I don't know, it's gotten my podcast like a cult following. So the welcome to Platteville one is about a family in Cairo, Georgia, uber religious. All their kids are all early, like teens, 20s, and in 2018, 2019, they never gave their kids. The kids didn't even know self phones existed. They had no idea who Tom Brady was. They'd never drank a Coca Cola. And so TLC films them for the first time and this family has gone bananas. It's like Irish. I mean, it's like an Amish rum Springer. They've got. The mom got arrested for a dui. The parents got divorced. The one of the oldest sons got divorced. His wife has come out and said that he was verbally abusive towards her.

[Rachel Yukatel]

This is all on tlc.

[Sarah Frazier]

See?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Is this the same network that did Mama June and.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Hoedown. What are they called? Hill. They've done Kid's Name.

[Sarah Frazier]

Honey Boo Boo.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Honey Boo Boo. I mean, I feel like it's this kind of not to be rude, trailer trash type of stuff where they turn these people into stars and then all of a sudden they like crash and burn.

[Sarah Frazier]

There's some of that. There's the Thousand pound sisters. My 600 pound life.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Who by the way, I love love.

[Sarah Frazier]

I've.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You know, I watched a lot of that. I was obsessed. I never understood those people. Like, did you see the one where a crane had to like knock down part of the house so they could get the girl out so she could go to the hospital?

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I would be sitting there with my tub of ice cream watching it, being like, holy shit, this sucks. Or like they had lifted up one lady's fat roll and there was like a leftover hamburger or something in there and it had gotten all messed up. I mean, I mean, the. Does that really happen? I mean, come on.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes, we just. Yes, 100%. Yes. And doctor now from that show is my favorite because he'll come in and tell them how fat they are and they gain weight and. And he has like an accent. I don't know if he's Armenian, but he. Or maybe from Iran.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, yeah. He's very funny because he has no. And you know, he. He's very. He. He doesn't make any facial expression, so he's not funny. You know what I mean?

[Sarah Frazier]

And you're very dry.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right? Dry. And you're. He's not even that empathetic. He's just kind of like, you're too fat. You need to lose another 145 pounds.

[Sarah Frazier]

Or you will die.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And maybe. Yeah, or you will die. And then maybe I will work on taking your stomach out. And then we have to deal with all the fat hanging from you. And that's not my problem. Problem. Like, it's just.

[Sarah Frazier]

It's so good. And then the 600 pound life person comes in, and of course they're with their sister or their spouse. That's the enabler that goes and gets them all the food. And he will, you know, say to them, you know, why are you buying her pizza? And the. Well, she really wanted it now. I don't care. She's fat. Look at her. She'll die. You want her to die. And then the woman, the 600 pound life person, will start crying and saying, I only drank water. And he's like, water? There's no way. When is water ever caused somebody to gain weight? You're fat. You're fat.

[Rachel Yukatel]

These shows are great. So do you.

[Sarah Frazier]

So good.

[Rachel Yukatel]

It's so good. So. But. So you guys never cover anything. So David's covering Bravo. You're covering tlc. But has David realized that Bravo's like, kind of over? I mean, I feel like they had their peak and now they've kind of gotten into trouble, and now they can't buy anything good. I mean, have you watched this new members only Palm beach show on Netflix? No.

[Sarah Frazier]

Is it good? I have so many shows. I just started Shaws, the Shaws reboot. I'm watching Suddenly Amish, which is on tlc, which is basically the Amish community for the first time, is trying to recruit, like, normal people like us to come into the Irish. The Amish community.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I would do that in two seconds. They should do franchise shows of that. They should do. What is it called? Becoming Amish.

[Sarah Frazier]

Suddenly Amish.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, how about. Yeah, Suddenly Amish, Suddenly Scientology. G. Scientologist.

[Sarah Frazier]

I want to go work in the Sea Org. Okay, you're right. And I want an audit. I want a free audit.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I want to go in there and see if they could change me. Like, how funny would that show be if me and you went in there and they're. We're both like, we're not. They're not gonna be able to change me. And clearly I wouldn't be able to be changed. But you want an audit. So all of a sudden you'd come out and you'd be like, oh, I believe in this. I'm gonna move here. I would make my husband and my two children, and I'm gonna come. Come work for the Sea Org. That's going to happen to you.

[Sarah Frazier]

I would go to the Hollywood Scientology one, the famous one, and I would tell them this. I would donate 100 grand if they can make me famous like Tom Cruise. I would give them a hundred thousand dollars, because that's their whole thing. They audit you and they charge you, like, a hundred grand for every level. It's like, no, you make me, even Leah Remy famous. You make me Leah famous. I will give you. I will be part of Sea Org and I will give you. I will give you 100 grand.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But they always. Harvey Wine Weinstein. Isn't that kind of just another version of that? I will sleep with you if you make me very famous.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, but, like. Yeah, but they never. Okay, yeah, I. I probably would have slept with Harvey Weinstein to be famous back in the day. I mean.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. You know, that defined is the Harvey Weinstein of Hollywood. I mean, it just is what it is.

[Sarah Frazier]

Because apparently they do make you famous and then they, like, do all your pr. They help you stay famous. They protect you. I'm like, you do that?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's all very, like. I think they're all going to jail anyways. Speaking of which, you should watch Members Only.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay. Is it good?

[Rachel Yukatel]

It's a complete train wreck. I mean, listen, it's a bunch of ghouls sitting around pulling each other's wigs off and yelling and talking about belonging when none of them belong to anything. It's just crazy. But you kind of can't take your eyes off of it. And I live here. And by the way, I don't know. I don't think we were still talking. Not that we were never talking, but, I mean, we were just not communicating as much. I was filming a pilot for something called Snowbirds, and that was what was supposed to be picked up. And instead, Members Only Palm beach got picked up by Netflix. And wait till you see the outcome. It's just. It's funny. It's funny. It's not. You're just gonna be surprised that you watch it, but you won't stop watching it. I'll just say that.

[Sarah Frazier]

How did you feel? You know, that's so Hollywood, right? Is, you know, they're like, oh, we want you for this show. We want you for the show. And then they go and do a whole other show. How did you feel about not being cast? Were you okay?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, no, I. I was cast, but Snowbirds didn't get picked up. It was optioned by Bravo and then Bravo turned it down. And in the meantime, another production company was filming with this other group. And I don't know what their storyline was because none of them were in Palm beach, but they made it once our, you know, they got picked up by Netflix. So they basically took the. Took the idea and ran with it. I mean, it was their version of whatever our version was. Ours was Snowbird. So it was people that traveled to and from New York to Palm Beach. Theirs was people who live down here who were, whether or not they were members of a club, members of this society that they don't. They're not even in. So kind of very interesting. So. So wait, go back to you for a second though. So. So you wanted to be a talk show host and you were wanted to be a talk show host and you worked where did you have a journalism degree?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, I went to a liberal arts college, got a majored in history, minored in film studies. After I graduated, moved to D.C. and I worked in morning radio. I just went around to every radio station and was like, how do I get hired here? Started in promotions and then I would just apply for every time a producer was fired or let go. I would get producer gigs. And I think I've been fired from radio five times. Like five different radio jobs. But that's how I got my start.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Anything goes.

[Sarah Frazier]

No, you know, there was a saying in old school radio that was, you haven't been in radio until you've been fired. And it was mostly because they were always changing formats. You know, it was such a dying industry even when I started in 2006, you know, so it was so like I worked for one radio station and then they blew out the whole morning show. So they fired me and they helped me get a traffic reporter job. And then eventually in D.C. i landed on a show called the Cane show and a hot 99.5, which was with iHeartRadio. And that show took off and became number one in the D.C. market. And it was very morning Zoo Crew, a little Howard Stern, a little Z100, like Elliot in the morning. Very like that. So that was very popular for the D.C. region and got syndicated on Sirius, XM and some other places. From there I got a gig for Fox 5 DC as an entertainment contributor. And I was in radio until 2015 because, you know, I rode that out. But I was getting fired and I think that was it. I think it was the fifth time I was fired from radio and they offered me A morning show or a midday girl slot, or I could take my severance package. And at that time in 2015, remember Serial, the podcast was so huge.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Sarah Frazier]

So I would go out and talk to women, and they were like, I'm listening to this podcast serial. I listened to this and I thought, okay, this is the kiss of death for radio. If now people can listen on demand to programming, why are you going to tune in to a morning show like the Zoo crew that you used to at 6am? So I took my severance money, and my podcast actually turns 10 years old this year. In 2016, I started my podcast Amazing.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And has it always been called the Sarah Frazier Show?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, it was called hey Fraij. They used to call me Fraise on the radio. But when I started doing hey Fraige, the podcast, advertisers could not understand what it. Like, they couldn't say it. So it would be hey, Frase, hey, Fries. So I'm like, okay, this is too hard for people. I'll just call it the Sarah Frazier Show. And I did. I probably so I did a rebrand five years ago. Probably five or six years ago.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And when you first started, did you always cover reality stuff?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, it was very Joe Rogan. Like, I went to, like, a mosque and learned about, you know, what was going on in the Muslim community. It was very. And there's still a part of me and you and I kind of talk like some politics and some, I would say, like, politics, pop culture, crossover. I like, I'm very fascinated by that too. You know, how people are thinking, what trends are happening in our country. Yeah, but, you know, I mean, if you go that route, it's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of work. You have to kind of like, you know, cross your t's, dot your eyes, do some real journalism stuff. And I've always loved the pop culture and the reality trash. And that was what was getting me downloads, like, when I did that kind of stuff.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And are these shows the things that you cover? Like, I saw the other day, you were talking about Gypsy Rose again, and you were talking to her old fiance or husband or whatever. Are these things that genuinely, like, if I didn't. If. If I knew you and I were your best friend or your husband and I was seeing you. Are you sitting around on the couch nightly watching these show shows?

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, I love. I'm obsessed. Like, I still watch all the Bravo.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Watching something like that.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, my God. Yeah. I would watch. Yes. And now I, like, I'm obsessed with Tick tock like, I love all the Gypsy tea. All the. Because it's so fascinating to me how people become famous, what they become famous for. And then you know, you know this. You've been around famous people their whole lives. Then people are so desperate most of the time to keep the fame. Even if it's like Gypsy Rose Blanchard fame, like she murdered her mom. She so wants to be in the spotlight. She's launching a podcast. She's trying to do a rebrand about spirituality. It's so I love how the human psyche works when it comes to fame.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, can we talk about the girl we both had on from Sister Wives Mary? Is that her name?

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I had her on the show and I loved her. I thought she was great. She flew to Florida. We met in person. I thought she was great. But she had that whole thing. Worthy, Worthy up. Yeah, she's still doing that.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So when I interviewed her and I, and I'm not saying this to be judgmental, I genuinely am asking because you must know this. I asked her about worthy up. It was just starting. I could not understand the concept. She was like, you are worthy just because you were born. You are worthy and you just have to worry up. And I kind of was like, well, don't you. In my head, I'm like, but don't you have to find some worthiness? You can't just sit on a couch and eat pizza and become a thousand pounds and be like, well, I'm worthy, so go fuck yourself. Like, you have to find what's worthy about you and project that. You need to be proactive in being worthy. Right. Do you know what I mean? I didn't understand the concept. So has she gotten something out of this worthy up movement?

[Sarah Frazier]

That's a good question. Because.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Have you been worthied up? I don't know.

[Sarah Frazier]

I'm sort of over the self help. Are you like Mel Robbins? I like Mel, but like, I couldn't believe.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I couldn't believe she was up for a Grammy or whatever that was.

[Sarah Frazier]

Don't even get me started. No Golden Globe. Why? Why? The way, like Joe Rogan and Theo Vaughn, like, none of those people were nominated.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, but like, tell me how these people who are life coaches or want to talk about life shit, first of all, who the fuck is not to be rude? Who is Mel Robbins? Did something, is she a doctor? Did something happen to her early in her life that she knows all this stuff she's talking about like self help stuff or medical stuff and okay, but like, who are you to ask that stuff. Also the guy, he's kind of Indian with the curly crazy hair now with the beautiful.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, Jay Shetty. Who the fuck is he? I don't understand. Excuse me. He was a former monk for a year.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, that's interesting. But didn't. Wasn't there some big scandal that happened recently that they just shoved under the rug? Yeah, he's always been a fraud.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, yeah, he's always been marred with fraud. You know, because I think to your point, I think he, he just basically went to a retreat in India where you could like pay to be a monk for a year. Right. So this don't get, you know, don't exactly quote me, but I think this was sort of the thing. And then apparently he did what a lot of people did in the early aughts where they would just go on, on Instagram and steal other people's quotes. So Jay would steal these quotes and present them as they were himself, like, oh, you know, let go of the past and be present. And people would be.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And everyone's like, oh my God, I've never heard of something so. He's such a sage. I mean, come on. Same thing. No offense, Lewis Howes or Howie, whatever the fuck his name is.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, he used to live.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He used to not be able to make enough money and lived on someone's couch. And now he's telling people how to live their lives.

[Sarah Frazier]

Didn't you write the book Four Hour Work Week though? That one I'm like, I'm like. At least that was, I thought revolutionary at the time.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Don't even know what you're talking about. But still, maybe he didn't write the book. I just, I just don't get it. And I. And the same thing with, you know, call her daddy, call me Daddy, whatever. I get that she listen good for her. She left barstool. She made a name for herself. But I don't understand how half the people she has on her show I've never heard of. They're like 18 and they're talking about their dramas within their world. And then she has like Jane Fonda coming on there talking about licking pussy or something. I just, I don't. I don't get it. I don't.

[Sarah Frazier]

Ferris wrote the Four Hour Work Week, so it wasn't Lewis Howell.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So anyway, no, I was living on someone's couch when that book was written probably.

[Sarah Frazier]

I completely get it. Where, I don't know where Mary's worthy upstands. I know it's still going. I know the concept is very Mel Robbins where you do a monthly membership. There's different tiers. You get access to Mary and the idea is what is like how can we as a community, I think help you work through whatever adversity is going on, whether it's in your business.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Some deep diving in all your sister wives. Deep diving into what that's really about. Because I think there's a little scandal there.

[Ali Jackson]

You do?

[Rachel Yukatel]

I do.

[Sarah Frazier]

What do you think?

[Rachel Yukatel]

She's not on the show anymore. So she's making money doing.

[Sarah Frazier]

No, she's still on the show and they just filmed season 21. I don't think any of them are going to ever leave. I think it's such a cash cow.

[Rachel Yukatel]

So I just had a woman on my show named Pamela Jones who escaped a cult in Mexico where it was a terrible cult polygamist. And she was married to someone who also he had three other wives. She has nine children, 31 grandchildren. She escaped over the border with two tanks of gas worth of money and a car. Now lives in Minnesota and makes over a million dollars a year running a cleaning agency with all her kids. I mean it's insane. But stories like that I like.

[Sarah Frazier]

I want to. Yeah. Who else have you had recently? I feel like you've had some. I was going to your Instagram. I feel like you've had some really big people.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I've had some really good people but once I have them on, I can't remember who are they are the next day because I've moved on to someone else. But I am so proud of the guests we got. Listen just yet. Two days ago I interviewed. Do you remember the Joe Paterno scandal at Penn State? Yeah. With Jerry Sandusky molesting and having sex.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Boys.

[Sarah Frazier]

So weird you bring it up because my husband and I were just saying is Jerry Sandusky still alive? And then we had to Google it. And he's still alive in jail.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, still alive. He has a group of people, including his wife that still believe that he is innocent and they are on a mission to get him out on an appeal. I interviewed Jay Paterno, who was Joe Paterno's son, who don't forget every he took the downfall. Everyone blamed him. This guy who was so beloved and revered as the coach of an institution of Penn State football and his son actually worked there as an assistant quarterback coach or whatever. My ex husband actually played for Joe Paterno and for Jay Paterno and I got the inside scoop of what it was like for him to watch his father be Accused and for them to remove his statue. And two weeks to the day that he was accused of it and fired, he died of lung cancer. The whole thing was crazy. And so it was really interesting to hear his story. Same thing. I had the daughter of Joey Butterfuko and the other one, Mary Jo, to talk about what it was like to be a kid during that time.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, it's been so stressful.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. So anyways, I have all sorts of random people.

[Sarah Frazier]

You know who you had on that I wanted to ask you about is Susan Powder.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, she was great.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay, well, I only knew. Is her documentary out? Isn't there a documentary about her?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yes, it's called Finding Susan Powder.

[Sarah Frazier]

Where can I watch it? I know I can Google this.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But do you know George is going to tell you right now. He's going to look it up.

[Sarah Frazier]

I cannot.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I want to say it was on Amazon prime or Hulu or something like that.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay. I have to go watch immediately.

[Rachel Yukatel]

It's Amazon.

[Sarah Frazier]

Amazon. And you have to. I think you. It's. Do you have to pay like 3, 4 bucks for it?

[Rachel Yukatel]

It.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, I'll pay.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. And it might also.

[Sarah Frazier]

It's worth it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, it is worth it if you remember who she is. Here's. Here's the. I mean, it's not. It's not a spoiler because people know she drives for Uber, eats, and has no money. And basically no one knows this besides George. But I. Well, I've never paid someone to be on my show ever.

[Sarah Frazier]

Wow. Really?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, I've paid. I put 500 in an envelope and pretended like we paid. Paid so that I could. And handed it to her so that she had some extra money. I mean, she. She had like fifteen hundred dollars to her name and lives in, like, a little apartment in Las Vegas. I mean, it's. It's terrible what happened. I don't know if there are some mental issues there now, because honestly, because of what happened, it doesn't seem like at the time she had some mental issues. But when you've gone through such trauma like that and you have to go back to, like, the suffering of, like, being that famous and all of a sudden working at a restaurant and being, you know, like just people treating you like shit and then you don't have money and you, you know, your teeth are falling out, whatever it is. Like, I don't know how you survive that. And. Okay, it's hard for her.

[Sarah Frazier]

Give me the rundown though. Okay. Because she was like, so stunning in the 90s. Like, she had this, like, shaved Head. She just had, like, this great look. She was a fitness guru in the 90s. Was she?

[Ali Jackson]

Actually.

[Sarah Frazier]

And she was, like, doing. Remember when. Oh, my God, like, infomercials and all those things were huge and really worked. Okay, this is what I don't understand about her story. So did she build a $200 million empire, or was she actually worth 200 million and lost all that? Because that's always amazing to me. I don't know how people lose. I mean, I like to spend money, but I'm also really cheap, so I just don't know how people.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, so I'll tell you how it happened. She basically was a woman who was really heavy, and she lost all the weight, and she started going to workout classes, and then she started to work at workout classes, and then she got her own studio. And because of her energy, I mean, there is something about her. She walks in a room, and you're just like, who the fuck is this? She's amazing. She stood out. And people started noticing, and her classes were full and more and more and more. Finally, it goes to the point where she signs with someone who is like, I'm gonna make you famous because you have a brand. And they got her, you know, this TV deal and this deal and this deal. And she was just like, okay, whatever it is, I'm so excited to be offered this. They asked for that. So she gave them 50%. Then the next person came in and they said, well, we want a book deal, but it's 50% now of your 50%. So she's only getting 25%. And so she was getting very little money. So the. The team and the brand and the. Everything was worth over $200 million. I'm getting the figures wrong, but something like this. And none of it went to her. And she started realizing this, fired everybody and said, I'm the brand, okay, so without me, you're gonna have nothing. And didn't realize that it was, like, syndicated, so it would keep playing and they would still get their money for it and their royalties or whatever, and she thought someone else would pick her up. And she was so well known, it kind of didn't happen. So she moved and, like, had to get a job as a waitress and kept thinking that, like, a book deal would happen or something. But she had given away so much of her money to other people to make things happen that she just really wasn't getting any. And then it just. She never got jobs. And then she talks a lot about. As you get older, it's Harder to get work. Like, you know, she's now in her 60s, and, like, what, she's gonna be a fitness guru? By the way, if she said she signed with a manager, if that manager is good, they will get her immediately. I mean, already. And I almost think it's too late if they haven't done it, because she. The story already came out. But on speaking tours, because she's fantastic, you can get her 15,000, 25,000. A speaking tour, right. And then. Or speaking engagement. She could do a book, she could do a fitness class. She could do an online fitness class for older women of just getting moving. Her whole thing is just like, move, like, be in the kitchen with me, cook, walk around the house, all that shit. You know, somebody pays her 15 bucks to be in her class once a day, she can get 500 people every day, like from Timbuktu to watch her for an hour and just lift their legs in the living room.

[Sarah Frazier]

She can make so much money. She can make. I mean, that's Mel Robbins whole story. We were talking about Mel Robbins. The reason Mel Robbins became. Went viral a decade ago is she and her husband had a business, and then they lost the business business, and they'd invested their life Savings, which was $700,000, and they lost every penny. And she basically went online and just said, I'm broke. Like, I. We did this business and people were like, let us help you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Like that.

[Sarah Frazier]

And then she just rebuilt her life on social media, talking people through. I mean, Susan at any age could do. See, that's the thing. Like, it's such a weird time in TV and entertainment. It's sort of dying like radio did, but it's. There's so much opportunity now for people of all ages, all niches. If you can do it. Your. That's the problem, though, is so many people don't know how to do it themselves. This is why, like, it's genius what you're doing. What I'm doing.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Don't give that up.

[Sarah Frazier]

Because if you can create your own brand and your own show with just, you know, you have an amazing.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Your own credibility. You know, the expert of what you want to be the expert is.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

At making, you know, clay pigeons. Okay. Be the expert of that and put it online somehow. I mean, you're right. It's taking ownership of what you do. But now you started a. How to start a podcast.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, Podcast course. And consulting. 100%. Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And consulting. And how is that going?

[Sarah Frazier]

It's good. It's good. I don't have Enough time right now because of all the life things that are happening and I'm not.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And then.

[Sarah Frazier]

And then I worry about that, like, for 2026, like, what is my, you know, marketing strategy here? But it's great. Like, I mean, I probably have two consulting clients a month, which I'm fine with. Um, we did a big Black Friday sale, which was great, that sold several courses. I've sold a lot of the $9, which is how to start. Literally, how to start a podcast.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right.

[Sarah Frazier]

The six figure master plan, which is more like how you scale up and really make a living. And you make a hundred, two hundred, three hundred thousand dollars a year podcasting. That one's been a little bit slower to sell. And it's a big investment for people, you know, and it's like, you. 900 bucks is a lot to put up. If you aren't really sure if this is.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Are those courses already taped and they just watch it on their own or that means it's an individual course with you?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, the 900 is like you. It's everything there. You download it. This is your roadmap to how you can make 150k a year podcasting. And then if you want to consult with me one on one, I definitely do that.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Amazing. Okay, so what is the goal for 2026? You're about to have a baby. Are you going to take a little time off of podcasting with David Yontef? And you do it daily, right?

[Sarah Frazier]

Right, daily. I want to ramp up in 2026.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You do? Okay, good for you.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, I want to go on the street. I want to be more on the street. You know, I love. Who's the. I don't Even know the YouTuber, who was the guy that went to all the centers in Minneapolis, all the child care and exposed. I don't even know if it's real fraud or not.

[Rachel Yukatel]

But that guy's super interesting. And it's more than him. I mean, you've got comedians on the street. Just. You got random people asking someone what they wear, and all of a sudden their account is, you know, a million followers followers or I want to do.

[Sarah Frazier]

So much on the street. And you know Garrick Merrifield, this guy from Seeking sister Wife, he was just arrested for threatening to call ice on his sister wife. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. After my baby's. Why?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Is she Mexican?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, she's Brazilian. They had a big fight. He didn't physically hit her, but he threatened to. He cut the Wi Fi told her that he was going to call ICE on her ass, and then she called 91 1. He was arrested in the state.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Is this on the show or you just know them and they told you you this?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, it just. It went tmz, I think, picked it up. So I'm like, after my baby's born, I'm getting a traveling nanny. I'm going to Colorado. And, I mean, I want to be in that courtroom. Like, what is Garrett Merrifield up to? I want to do everything. That guy from the Minneapolis childcare, whatever. I want to do that. But much more, you know, kind of random. Random, like reality people.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, but, you know, it'd be funnier if you did if you had your baby strapped to your back. Back and you did, like, the People's Court. Remember the guy that used to stand outside at the end and be like, how do you feel about this outcome?

[Sarah Frazier]

The Thousand Pound Sisters. Tammy Slayton sold her house last year. I should have flown to Kentucky, gone on a house tour, told them that I was interested in buying it. I think it's sold for, like, $64,000.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Hysterical.

[Sarah Frazier]

I tried to get, like, I want to do things. Mickey Rourke is broke here in la. I wanted to go to Mickey Rourke's house and go, look, I'll give you five grand if you co host the podcast with me for a week. I mean, can you imagine that, Mickey?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, it's interesting you say that. I. Yeah.

[Sarah Frazier]

Are you getting him on?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, I'm working on it, yeah.

[Sarah Frazier]

Good. You should. Okay.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He's going to do it for free, I think. I think he's working on his sexuality a little bit. I think he's working on, you know, he really loves animals. I know that about him. You know, he's, like, trying to save all these animals. I don't know if.

[Sarah Frazier]

Wait, when you. Wait, wait, wait. When you say sexuality, what's the deal now? He thinks he's bi or fluid or. Or is he trans? What's going on?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Well, I mean, do you think he's straight? Well, he's not. I thought. I just.

[Sarah Frazier]

From watching that for everybody, it's a no.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, no, but no. And not that there's anything wrong with it. And listen, it's not like I've ever slept with him. And so I know that or anything. It's just from the conversations I've had with people who know him very well. He's struggled for a while, but me, as someone who's followed him for a while on his own Instagram, he has a guy. Forget the guy's name who's always on his Instagram with him. You know, the way Mickey looks right now is not so fantastic. But, yes, I have been in touch about having him on, you know, wait. And I'm shocked that you're shocked that I've never paid anyone to be on my show. Do you have to pay people to be on your show?

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. All the time.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Time.

[Sarah Frazier]

I actually just turned. I won't even name the person, but I just turned down somebody who was, like, insanely famous. Insanely famous.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Why can't you tell?

[Sarah Frazier]

I'll tell you. It's bad business practice to out the people. Because I don't blame people. I don't blame people for asking for a talent fee because a lot of times, like, my episodes go viral and it's like I'm making money. So it's kind of like I don't blame people for asking. I also have the right to say I'm not going to pay them that. But I had very famous star from the 90s who was involved, who was a sex worker who was wanted to come on the show and wanted 5K. And I said no. And then they said, okay, 2K. And I said, okay, I'll pay you 2,000. But then they came back, their manager came back, I'm going to say. But then the manager came back and said, well, you cannot talk about with this person, blah, blah, blah. And I said, I'm sorry, I don't pay a talent fee. And then do an it. You know, there's no way. I'm not giving you. I'm not giving you. No. If I'm paying you, you're coming on for 60 minutes and you're going to. Anything you. You can decline to answer, but I'm not going to not ask you a.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Question in all the time that we've been doing this show, which is different than you. You've had a. 10 years. I've had mine. Almost three. Three people have asked for money. Ryan Lochte, remember him? The swimmer?

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes. Girl. I think you should have paid him.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Marla Maples.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay, Obsessed. I also would have paid her something.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You would have. Yes.

[Sarah Frazier]

Talk to her about Trump. 100%.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And she probably wouldn't have spoken about them, don't you think? But anyway. Okay. Third is Conrad Murray, the guy who killed Michael Jackson.

[Sarah Frazier]

Him would have paid in a heartbeat.

[Rachel Yukatel]

$50,000.

[Sarah Frazier]

No. You can kiss it. He can kiss it. No.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Ryan Lochte, I think wanted 3,500 or 5,000 and Marlon, 3,500. Yeah. Stupid no one else has even brought it up to me. Oh, actually, that's not true. We did have. George and I had an incident where recently someone asked us to play pay their. Their ticket, their flight, although they already happened to be coming to the area, so that I thought was a little much. But anyways, we did play pay for a flight for someone who was on a Netflix docu series, who. It was a really good get. But anyway, I'm happy to pay.

[Sarah Frazier]

But you're not getting an edit, you know, because, you know this. I mean, the hard part when you work with networks is you do this fantastic interview with a Bravo Liberty or something, and then they come back and they say, can you edit out the part where they call so and so a slut and a whore? And I'm like, I'm at the point in my career, in my show, it gets. I get more downloads talking with you or doing a rant than I do with a lot of these guests. So it's like, no, I'm not editing anymore. And if I'm paying you again, you can decline. I mean, these people are media. Marla Maples is media trained. If she doesn't want to talk about the Epstein files, then. Or what she knows or doesn't know, you know, she's welcome to go. Okay, I'm not answering that. I don't know. Fine. But I'm not going to not ask that and pay you 3, $500. There's no way.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Of course. All right, well, maybe I should start paying. Maybe I should start offering to pay people to be on the show.

[Sarah Frazier]

Absolutely.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Although I have been lucky that I haven't had to yet.

[Sarah Frazier]

Do people ask you for a lot of edits?

[Rachel Yukatel]

No. And the difference is I'm not getting people from, like, network. Like, I don't really care that much about the reality TV people. Right. Because I'm talking about their real lives. So I'm not talking about, you know, I'm getting like, a Greg Lou Ganis or I'm getting, you know, whoever. Sean Spicer. Like, the most random people, Lorena Bobbitt. So they're talking about their life. And it's not someone who thinks that they're a celebrity on a show, so they should be getting a fee for it.

[Sarah Frazier]

And your mission of misunderstood is giving people a platform to explain, you know, so that's a very different type of thing versus a, you know, I'm like, give me, Garrett. Give me, you know, Tammy Slayton. And I want to know all the nitty gritty, you know, like, like, see.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I don't even know who Tammy Slayton is.

[Sarah Frazier]

Thousand Pound Sister.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Oh, right. One of them. There's, like, now she doesn't.

[Sarah Frazier]

No. Thousand Pound Sisters were two sisters that collectively weighed a thousand pounds, but now they only weigh like 500 together. Oh, they've lost a lot of weight.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah.

[Sarah Frazier]

But. Yeah, no, that's great. God, it must be nice to not get asked for edits. That's half my time. And I'm so.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I'm. I'm.

[Sarah Frazier]

I'm torn between playing ball and just being like, I'm fucking done.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, all right. So I'm so excited for you in 2026. Anything we should know going forward? That's a little scoop on something you're planning on doing or hoping to do or whatever. Besides having a child.

[Sarah Frazier]

Besides having a baby. Some guests. I don't know when you're gonna air this, but Suki, who's the host of the Sister Wives one on Ones, which is the equivalent of their reunion, she's back. So a lot of people will be in. Interested in that because she gives away a lot of interesting stuff. She talks about that. Kim Kardashian's hairdresser.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He.

[Sarah Frazier]

You should get him. He was amazing. He just wrote a book.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, he's on. Is he on a press tour right now?

[Sarah Frazier]

He's on a press tour. That's a good one for your producer, George. Reach out to and what I saw.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Him on File Files Show. So he did yours?

[Sarah Frazier]

He did my show. He talked a lot about Kim, what he learned, what he learns from the card. I mean, you know, he's very good. He doesn't tell you, like, the specifics about what they have advised him over the years, but it's. It's really great what he's done about his life.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I mean, I just feel like at this point now, he's been probably on everybody's podcast. What do I need him for on mine? You know what I mean? Like, when they do the whole tour.

[Sarah Frazier]

That's true. It's a lot of.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Ask him about how he got into makeup.

[Sarah Frazier]

Well, he's into hair. I mean, he does some makeup, but his big thing is hair. Yeah. I mean, you know, and Chris, he.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You.

[Sarah Frazier]

His hardest thing to overcome. And I still think there's a little shame. There is. You know, he's gay and he was married and he had two kids with a woman. The woman when. Yeah. And he lived a straight life for like a decade. And that. Really?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Hairdresser? You're telling me no one knew he was gay. Okay.

[Sarah Frazier]

But do we know any straight men that are. What about.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I don't know any straight men.

[Sarah Frazier]

Angie K. From Salt Lake City. Her husband's a hairdresser as well.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Again, you talk about all these people. I have no idea who they are. I don't really watch all like, wait, but. But he married a man recently and was married for, like, a week. Did you talk about that?

[Sarah Frazier]

Yes, he. Well, he does not really want to talk about Gage, so he's very vague with his answer. He is not dating. He says that he needs to work on dating himself after that divorce, and so he's going out to places by. It's okay. There you go. But you know what? You ask.

[Rachel Yukatel]

You ask, but. And is it engaged? That was engaged to Jeff Lynch Lewis?

[Sarah Frazier]

No, different Gage.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Okay, but didn't that Gage marry somebody else famous?

[Sarah Frazier]

Did he?

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yes. There was some story there where he went off and dated, like, either Jeff's ex or Shane's ex or there was some drama with Gage. I thought maybe I just made that up.

[Sarah Frazier]

But ex Gage Mary. Oh, I don't know this.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Am I right?

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay, wait. X Gage Jeff Lewis reveals he and X Gage Edward briefly dated after split from Scott Anderson. Okay, wait, no, let's see.

[Rachel Yukatel]

There's. There is something in there.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay, but.

[Rachel Yukatel]

All right, well, if I think of any good reality stars that we've had, I mean, listen, you should get into members only. And I know all these girls. I could. I could get them on very easily.

[Sarah Frazier]

Okay. 100%.

[Rachel Yukatel]

One of them was on mine. Taja, you might do very well having Gail on your show. Or Sue Bell. You don't know these names until you see the show, but I think they would do very well with you and you'd have some fun with them.

[Sarah Frazier]

Oh, my God. 100%. Let's do this again. I have missed you. I love our banter. I'm so excited that you were Mrs. Donovan. Dan looks like a very nice man. He does. He looks like he loves you a lot. He's willing to be on your social media, you guys. I hope you do some podcast episodes with him. He sounds fascinating and sweet, and he doesn't seem like a fame whore. You know, he seems like a really good match for you.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He's a great guy. He really is. And we will do a podcast soon together, for sure. He's been asking why he's not allowed.

[Sarah Frazier]

On the podcast and why hasn't he been on. He seems like so.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Because he. He was a big groomzilla is why. And so, yeah, but he wants to come on to talk about security one, what's misunderstood about how, how to secure an area and blah, blah, blah. He wants to be all professional about it. And I really want to talk to him about why he's such a groom. Zilla.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, I wanted to. Yeah, I want to hear about your relationship. I don't want to hear about that. Sorry, Dan. And you know, and I want to hear, like, where are we at? What's the threat level of an ISIS attack on us at like a parade these days? I do want to hear about that because apparently they're plotting and planning.

[Rachel Yukatel]

His answer would be, it's not isis. It's like within people, you know, it's like people that just get nuts and angry and have lost their job and have nothing else to lose and they're angry about politics right now and they will just lose it. And the hardest thing is protecting an area and people. When you're thinking the threat is like ISIS or the Taliban, it's not. It's your next door neighbor and they just go nuts.

[Sarah Frazier]

They're hard to track. Yeah.

[Rachel Yukatel]

And you just do not know that that is the threat. And it's hard to prevent and protect when you're not prepared for what that threat is. And that is an everyday threat that people have to be aware of. So that's, that's the message he's trying to end. And with companies, that's what he's trying to get them to be aware of. You can't just have like the executive protection group just following you around, let's say, because, like, what happened with Charlie Kirk, it was on the perimeter. Somebody outside shot within. So who gave a shit that he had five people around him protecting him? Didn't do.

[Sarah Frazier]

Actually, I want Dan's take on Charlie Kirk, like, on that. Because I do. I do. I had read that Charlie Kirk had been warned, like, he would be assassinated and was told, like, he needed to be behind bulletproof, you know, plexiglass. He didn't want to do it.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right. Yeah. Because his whole thing was he wanted to interact with the people and he wanted to shake their hand. And by the way, all of that still would have been fine had they secured the perimeter and had people all around the perimeter. Just have to walk through a system where you can see if they have a weapon on them. So there are plenty of ways to have protected what happened. It should not have happened at all. Even though it was 200ft away, it was easy to. To prevent. So if you ever need someone to Come on your show and talk about security in certain circumstances like that. He started his own podcast. It's called the Security Equation. And so he's available.

[Sarah Frazier]

Yeah, you know what? Yes. And I do. I find that fascinating, like, because actually he's. Dan, I think is completely right where I think it's now domestic terrorism more than it is is because it's so. I mean, you know, it must be. And yeah, Dan, actually. Okay, now we should do it next time bring Dan on, because I do have some questions because I think it's. Now it's so much easier to track isis like AI They. And they. They do so many things online. It's unavoidable. Even like a burner phone, you know, so like now you can track so much of what they do. But it's that one rogue kid that, you know, I mean, he did a couple messages on Facebook, but it wasn't like, how would you know? He would go, yeah, totally.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Right. And it always seems to be that. Right within our schools or within, you know, even the guy who tried to assassinate President Trump. He was just a kid, you know, it's not like it was, you know, someone from the Middle East. Oh, I want, you know.

[Sarah Frazier]

And does Dan consult with school districts? Are school districts reaching out to him? And I want. Because I'm petitioning.

[Rachel Yukatel]

He's trying to talk to have something passed within the government, the state, statewide or local that requires or they pay for a handler and a canine at your school that's weapons detection oriented, you know, and trained that way so that they are there to suss out what's going on. Not just attack dogs where they could just like attack someone, but someone that.

[Sarah Frazier]

When you walking dog.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, yeah. Like a working animal. Because they think he believes, as a lot of people do, is that the. The state should cover that funding, not the school, because it is expensive.

[Sarah Frazier]

Expensive, you know, 100, but, you know. Yeah, I live in California. You pay almost 30 tax here. Get a dog on these campuses. And look, maybe, you know, it's. I'm sure Dan has all these ways that, you know, maybe it's not every day the dog is that, you know, they're moving around, you know, but people don't know the schedule. They don't know. But if. I think it's such a deterrent if they knew that, you know, these schools were patrolled or I'm. I want to advocate LAUSD schools here in Los Angeles. Like get undercover former FBI agents and stuff, like, put them on campuses, do a test trial, you know, like.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Yeah, it's interesting, though. You know, Donald Trump's grandson goes to my school. And we had a code red last year because the Secret Service whipped out his gun and someone saw it and did a code red. We had four helicopters, 40 squad cars, parents freaking out. And today, as a matter of fact, it's funny that we're talking about this. The school is closed. Closed. We got an email in the middle of the night. There's been a threat at the school or against the school, so they closed the entire school down. So, you know, just because you have these undercover people there, it actually doesn't really help at all. So. Okay, but say on the subject about.

[Sarah Frazier]

All right, but most people are not going to school with Donald Trump's grandson. I mean, that's a whole nother level.

[Rachel Yukatel]

I mean, that's what I'm saying. Even when you have that, it backfires. Because it backfired. It's backfired now twice. I think this was a false alarm as well. Well, but it's like over protection with these people that are undercover that someone thinks is like a perp walking around with a gun and they see someone with a gun and they're like, oh, there's a terrorist here. You know.

[Sarah Frazier]

All right, well, we need Dan, because does it. Do those incidents. What? Give me the stats, Dan. Do those incidents really escalate to a shooting or is it very, very rare? Because we always overreact in this country. It's like, yeah, put somebody undercover and the chances that they're going to shoot a student is probably 0.000. Is it. Could it happen? Is it gonna happen? Probably right. You know, because how many millions of kids go to school?

[Rachel Yukatel]

But, but they also, if they were undercover, they would be there quicker and the response time would be quicker. So let's say somebody went in and started shooting. The person is already in place to then turn around and know how to find him. Right. And so to me, that seems like, you know, anyway, whole nother conversation, which I'm happy to have. But Sarah, I love you too. So I'm sure that the next time I speak to you will be after your childbirth. So I wish you an easy and peaceful childbirth and the best of luck to you. I love you and we will speak soon.

[Sarah Frazier]

So happy for you. Congratulations and we will see you soon. Bye, gorgeous.

[Rachel Yukatel]

Bye.

[Sarah Frazier]

Bye, guys.

[Rachel Yukatel]

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