A Positively Legal Summer Special, with Mark Eiglarsh, Jonna Spilbor, and Megyn Kelly

Summary

MK True Crime - "A Positively Legal Summer Special"

Released: July 15, 2026
Host: Megyn Kelly
Guests: Mark Eiglarsh, Jonna Spilbor
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Main Theme and Purpose

This summer special episode of "Positively Legal" (MK True Crime channel) reunites veteran legal analysts Megyn Kelly, Mark Eiglarsh, and Jonna Spilbor. The show focusses on two high-profile true crime cases:

• The Netflix documentary "-Predator of Seville-" featuring Mark Eiglarsh's client Gabby Vega, a survivor of sexual assault while studying abroad in Spain.
• The deadly 2025 stabbing of Henry Nowak, a university student in Southampton, UK—raising questions about self-defense, race, and police incompetence.

The trio also dives into a viral internet moment involving a possibly "masked" Fox News guest, and indulge in banter surrounding strange conspiracy theories, CIA disguises, and current events.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Netflix Documentary: "Predator of Seville" & Gabby Vega's Story

[01:16 – 12:35]

• Background: Megyn Kelly, Mark Eiglarsh, and Jonna reflect on their history of legal analysis together across various show formats before diving into the story behind "Predator of Seville."
• Gabby's Ordeal: Gabby Vega, then 18, traveled to Spain for a study abroad program where she was sexually assaulted by her tour guide, Manuel Vella (Discover Excursions).
  • Gabby describes waking up disoriented and recounts her traumatic memory—the key moment being when Vella assaulted her in the bathroom, as narrated in a graphic Netflix documentary clip ([04:10], Gabby Vega).
  • Gabby’s mother was Mark’s child's teacher—a personal connection that led Mark to represent Gabby, even though he mainly defends those accused of crimes ([02:36], Mark Eiglarsh).
  • Gabby’s appearance on Megyn’s show is credited with catalyzing the Spanish authorities’ action, leading to Vella’s prosecution.

Notable Quotes:

• "I just remember, like, I woke up at some point and no one was in the room, and I felt like shit. I have not felt like that in my life since... It's the thing that haunted me for years."
  — Gabby Vega ([04:10])

• "You did it, Megan. Had you not given her that format... government folks over there... cared way too much about tourism and they didn't like the way that this looked."
  — Mark Eiglarsh ([07:32])

• Legal Complications and Spanish Justice:

  • The Spanish prosecution was initially unmotivated. Only after public scrutiny (international media attention) did authorities press charges.
  • Even after conviction, Vella remained out on bail pending appeal, highlighting differences between US and Spanish handling of sex crimes ([11:24], Jonna; [12:35], Mark Eiglarsh).
  • Prosecution and university liability are discussed; while universities recommended the tour company, no civil case has succeeded against the schools ([14:36], Mark Eiglarsh).

• MeToo and the Power of Speaking Out:

  • Gabby’s bravery led to over 10 other women coming forward, many reaching out post-documentary to Mark and Gabby ([11:38], Mark Eiglarsh).

Notable Quotes:

• "First of all, kudos to her because God only knows how many other women she saved by having the wherewithal to come out..."
  — Jonna ([10:01])

• "There's now more than 10 victims who have come forward... He's still having contact with young women."
  — Mark Eiglarsh ([11:38])

• Impact and Survivor Guilt:

  • Gabby and others discussed the enduring pain, guilt, and emotional fallout — despite achieving some justice ([16:47], Gabby).

Notable Quotes:

• "I've talked to a lot of girls now who have dealt with this at his hands and I could have done something and I couldn't."
  — Gabby Vega ([16:47])
• "We have to let women in their position know that—No, you're not to blame."
  — Jonna ([17:28])

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2. The Murder of Henry Nowak and the "Self-Defense" Controversy in the UK

[19:41 – 38:24]

• Case Background:
  • Henry Nowak, a Scottish college student in Southampton (2025), was stabbed four times by Vikram Digwa, a Sikh man carrying legally-exempt religious knives.
  • Digwa claimed self-defense, alleging Henry used a racial slur.
  • UK police, upon arriving, handcuffed the dying victim and failed to render prompt aid, heavily focusing on the alleged "racist insult" ([19:41], Megyn Kelly).

Notable Quotes:

• "The police behavior... absolutely outrageous. It made this an international scandal... The cops believed him. Slapping cuffs on Henry. Henry was bleeding out..."
  — Megyn Kelly ([19:41])

• Legal and Social Commentary:

  • The trio discuss failings in police procedure and the dangers of “believing the buzzword” (i.e., immediate credence given to accusations of racism without proper evidence).
  • In the UK, unlike the US, hate speech itself can be criminalized, influencing police priorities.
  • Critical forensic detail: Henry’s wounds were on his legs, implying he was fleeing—undermining the self-defense claim ([27:31], Mark Eiglarsh).

Notable Quotes:

• "There are stab wounds to the kid's legs, his hind legs, which would indicate that he was turned away from this guy. End of story on self defense."
  — Mark Eiglarsh ([27:31])

  • Evidence points to Digwa fabricating the self-defense narrative post-fact, with his brother coaching him on the claim in a covertly recorded conversation ([36:26 – 38:24], Megyn Kelly).
  • Elon Musk offering to fund a civil suit against the UK police is referenced ([30:48], Megyn Kelly).
  • The episode lingers on the dangers of prioritizing optics and buzzwords over direct evidence and proper criminal investigation.

Notable Quotes:

• "He led with, I, you know, he made a racial slur... That's the buzzword that he knew he needed to say, like hands up, don’t shoot... and the police bought it hook, line and sinker. And now we have a dead kid."
  — Jonna ([34:28])
• "Even someone who is a racist, hypothetically, and we're not saying he is, can be... on the street, not have issues. Right. And doesn’t deserve to be stabbed."
  — Mark Eiglarsh ([35:27])

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3. Viral Internet Moment: The Fox News "Mask Man"

[39:38 – 49:27]

• The Incident:

  • Retired CENTCOM official Robert Harward appeared on "America’s Newsroom" (Fox News) resulting in viral speculation that he was, literally, wearing a lifelike silicone mask.
  • Social media sleuths and skeptical journalists analyze footage showing a neck seam above his shirt.
  • The trio debate whether it’s a shadow, a camera artifact, or a real disguise ([39:38] - [43:49]).

• Real Life Masks:

  • Megyn references a former CIA chief of disguise, Jonna Mendez, demonstrating just how real full-head masks can be ([45:07], Gabby Vega; [45:58], Megyn Kelly).
  • The hosts note that, while possible, there’s no clear motive for Harward to wear a mask—he’s a public, retired official.
  • The segment closes with humorous skepticism and skepticism about elaborate conspiracy theories, favoring the simplest (Occam’s Razor) explanation: shadow, not silicone.

Notable Quotes:

• "I thought it was a given that it was a mask... Maybe it's not a mask. And if it’s not a mask, then what the hell are we doing talking about it?"
  — Mark Eiglarsh ([41:22])
• "It's not impossible at all that this guy for some reason was wearing an actual mask. We just don't know why."
  — Megyn Kelly ([46:15])
• "If you're that sophisticated, where you're going to put on somebody else's face, wouldn't it be a little bit longer? Wouldn't you wear a scarf like a Austin Powers?"
  — Jonna ([48:27])

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Memorable Moments

• Gabby’s Haunting Testimony ([04:10]): A raw and vivid description of waking up to sexual assault in a foreign country.
• Police Mishandling in the UK ([27:31]): A legal expert’s key insight on wound location—damning for self-defense.
• CIA Disguise Anecdote ([45:07]): Jonna Mendez’s story of briefing President George H.W. Bush in a full mask.
• Internet Conspiracies Get the Megyn Kelly Treatment ([47:57]): Bigfoot, aliens, and viral panic—all in good summer fun.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Introduction & Episode Framing | 01:00–01:39 | | Predator of Seville – Gabby’s Story | 03:27–08:24 | | Legal Fallout in Spain & MeToo Effect | 09:25–12:35 | | Other Victims Speak Out | 13:10–15:16 | | Survivor Guilt & Trauma | 16:47–17:28 | | The Henry Nowak Murder in Southampton, UK | 19:41–38:24 | | Debating the “Mask Man” Fox News Viral Story | 39:38–49:27 |

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Tone and Style

The conversation seamlessly blends heavy, emotional true crime material with the trio’s trademark legal banter and wry humor, especially toward internet-fueled conspiracy theories.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Justice and Media: Survivor stories like Gabby’s show the vital role media attention can play in catalyzing criminal justice—especially where authorities are initially apathetic.
• Danger of Buzzwords Over Evidence: The Henry Nowak case underlines how public discourse on race can, if handled recklessly, upend justice and cost lives.
• Internet Virality: Even the serious-minded legal pros sometimes can’t resist the rabbit hole of viral internet mystery, but they remain rooted in evidence and skepticism.
• Resilience and Reform: Both featured cases are reminders of the need for systemic justice reforms—both abroad and at home—a theme resonating across MK True Crime’s summer special.

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Transcript

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[Mark Eiglarsch]

Hello and welcome to Positively Legal. The MK True Crime channel is taking a summer break this week, but we wanted to share a very special episode featuring yours truly, Jonna and Megyn Kelly.

[Jonna]

And we also want you to enjoy our past discussions on the Netflix documentary the Pro of Seville with Mark's very own client Gabby, and also victim Henry Nowak, and the deadly stabbing by the Sikh man in the uk. There'll be so much more, but not for long. We'll be back next week. Can't wait to see you then.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mentioned this to the audience the other day when we announced the new shows on MK True Crime that you guys are Kelly's Court, Kendall's Court, ogs. Back when my name was Megan Kendall at Fox. And so every iteration of whatever show I've had, you guys have been coming on. We've been doing crime analysis and legal analysis. And that takes me back to 2018 when I was on NBC. And Mark, you came to me and said, I've got this unbelievable story involving my client who went over to Spain as a student and something terrible happened to her. And not just her, but we need to get the word out because this is happening over and over and they can't really get the story out. So I'm gonna play the trailer for what has now become a Netflix special involving your client. We did have her on. We'll show a little of that. But do you wanna just set up like the story and like how it first came?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Here's what people don't know. The only reason why I met Gabby Vega, the victim in this case, is because her mother was my kid's teacher. At a school here in Fort Lauderdale. So she came to me, and I'm like, well, I defend people who do this stuff. I don't really represent victims. But you know what? I'm going to see what I can do for you. And she wanted to get the word out. I said, are you sure? Absolutely. And Megan, we made a list. You were the top of the list at the time. And I figured, what are the odds that Megan's going to have us on? When you said yes, I got goosebumps. I was so excited because I knew things would change for her. At a minimum, the word would get out. This guy would be exposed. But something far greater happened. And that's where the Netflix documentary explains what happened.

[Megyn Kelly]

So Gabby comes on. I'm gonna show that in a minute. But she comes on my show, and she talked about how she was an exchange student, or she went over to Spain, Spain to study. And she finds herself in the clutches of this tour guide. And this tour guide wanted to be much, much more than her guide around Spain. She talks in this. In the following clip. This is from. Not from our show, but from the Netflix show called Predator of Seville, describing herself, waking up and finding Manuel. Well, I'll let her tell it here. This is thought 27.

[Gabby Vega]

I just remember, like, I woke up at some point and no one was in the room, and I felt like shit. I had never felt that way in my life. I have not felt that way in my life since. Like, it was almost like there was, like, a disconnect between my mind and my body where it was like my brain was working on such a slow, low level here. And I just remember, like, leaning up against the wall and, like, dragging my feet one in front of the other to, like, get to the bathroom. I went to go open the bathroom door, and when I opened it, Nicole and Ashley and Manuel were all in the shower. The three of them. They were in their shirts and underwear, and he was in his underwear. I remember I closed the door. They all came out, like, scurried out. It almost looks like they were, like, all embarrassed, kind of. And so I just went in and I sat on the toilet, and I was facing the door. And all I remember, It's like the thing that's haunted me for years. It's like that memory of just, like, the door swinging open and seeing his crotch come towards me, and then him putting himself in my mouth and then me getting hit in the, like, head. And then I just, like, fucked out.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my gosh. It's so disturbing. So she had gone over there, Mark, as to study abroad like so many of us do in college. And she did the thing. I've done this as a tourist, not as a student, but where you're in Spain and then you just pop down to Morocco. And this is her tour guide who's like now suddenly in her room at night, wanting to play games with her and other girls. And the next thing she knows, there's a serious possibility she was given a drug and she was sexually assaulted by this man whose name is Manuel. I'll get the last name. You probably haven't.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Bella Vega. Vega, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's got Vella. Yeah, Manuel Vella. So here's the trailer for the Netflix special the Predator of Seville, which without Mark Eiglarsch would never have happened. Watch this.

[Gabby Vega]

When I moved to Spain to study, I was an 18 year old kid.

[Megyn Kelly]

I studied abroad in Sevilla, Sevilla, Sevilla.

[Gabby Vega]

I really loved it. It was like an adventure. I was really excited by the whole thing and thinking about all the trips. Discover Excursions was recommended and they emphasized safety. The main tour guide seemed like a nice guy.

[Megyn Kelly]

He was handsome, he knew everyone.

[Gabby Vega]

A playful personality. It was the last night of the trip. He was like, oh, well, I can get champagne and we can all hang out in the room. I started getting really tired. I woke up the next morning. That's when I realized what had happened. The embassy, he said, you shouldn't talk to anyone about this second. He told me no. I was like, that's exactly what I'm gonna do. I started building an investigation. The story just kept getting bigger. I went on the Today show. I had no idea what I was involved in. You feel like you were in the room with the devil.

[Megyn Kelly]

So, Mark, what were the legal challenges for her in getting this thing to a criminal trial?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I was speaking to her today, actually. She told me that they were not very interested in Spain. They were not gonna do anything. And contrary to what you said before you played the clip, it wasn't me, Megan, it was you. Had you not given her that format to show the world that she said unlocked the government folks over there because they care way too much about tourism and they didn't like the way that this looked. That's what did it. You did it, Megan. And also there's a beautiful part where she gives you credit where she was freaking out. And I remember those moments and I tried to calm her down, but you going over to her and saying, you're going to be fine, you got this, meant the world to her. And she delivered her version of what occurred with courage and dignity and intelligence and passion. And that really opened the floodgates.

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[Megyn Kelly]

thank you for saying that, but I'm thrilled these women found the courage to come forward. Because it wasn't just Gabby. As it turns out, there were others. Jonna, as we've seen in so many of these cases, when one brave woman finds the courage to speak out, all these other young girls who, you know, he was a tour guide, they weren't expecting to get molested by this man, sexually assaulted by this man. But one after the other, they started to come out. So you tell me, like whether you think the Spanish government did the right thing here or whether they had to be dragged kicking and screaming just based on the fear of tourism losses.

[Jonna]

Yeah, I think it is the latter because we have all seen this movie, for lack of a better word, time and time again. Seasoned predators always have a plan, right? This guy did not just wake up one day and decide that Gabby was going to be his first victim. So first of all, kudos to her because God only knows how many other women she saved by having the wherewithal to come out, come on your previous show and save so many other people from this particular fate. And when you watch, like I watched the first episode of the documentary and of course we see some signs the way they depicted it. Like for example, he should not. No tour guide should ever go to some young girl's hotel room to want to play games in in his underwear. Number one, red flag. Number two. Apparently like they show him pouring some champagne. He came with champagne. She doesn't Gabby doesn't have much of a memory of what happened. It's very, very foggy. So, of course, there's a possibility that he drugged her, part of being the predator. So I applaud her very much. I don't know what Spain, how Spain takes sexual predators or sexual offenders or what they intend to do. But then I did hear, even after he was convicted, he's out for now, and at least while the case is on appeal. So they're not taking it as seriously as we do here in the United States. And that's shameful.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah. Let me add something.

[Megyn Kelly]

So he did get convicted. Yeah. I mean, that's the. That's the other happy ending here, is that he. They did ultimately bring charges. She testified, and he was found guilty. And so that's happened, but as you point out, not yet in prison.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

So a couple of things. One, Gabby has agreed to come on to our first episode for an in depth interview, not only about the documentary, we what didn't make it into the documentary, but importantly what happened after the documentary. Because I was getting a bunch of emails from new victims that I was forwarding to Gabby. There's now more than 10 victims who have come forward, some people who weren't necessarily victims, but people are like, wait, now I recognize him. He's my landlord over in Spain. He's still having contact with young women. So us doing this show and us doing it on our show, Positively Legal, which airs on Wednesday for our first inaugural show, we're gonna get into the weeds with her and she's gonna tell you, amongst other things, that it was the prosecutors who said it was okay for him to remain out on bond while he goes through his appeals. The prosecutors agreed to that.

[Megyn Kelly]

Megan, some of the women came on that same show that we did on NBC because, you know, she started to realize something had happened to her. The word went out a bit on this is not a good tour company. This is not a good guy. So these young women, and this was just. Just like as the. The MeToo movement was, you know, has had just come underway. So I think women were starting to realize there was power and safety in numbers. But two other girls came on. Haley McAleese and Carly Van Ostenbridge. And here's a bit of that from our interview I on NBC in April of 2018. Watch this.

[Gabby Vega]

We went to his room and realized we were the only people there. And he was like, we're just gonna wait for everyone else to show up. And very quickly, he started being very sexual and asking really personal Questions and wanted us to dance for him. And she did like this, you know, like a dumb dance, like, to cut the sexual tension.

[Megyn Kelly]

This isn't like, we've all been there. Yeah.

[Gabby Vega]

And then he was like, no, you need to do a sexy dance on top of me. And that's when I was like, all right, no, we're leaving. And at that point, he took us and pushed us against the counter and tried to hold us and make us dance the way he wanted us to dance. And we obviously didn't want to, so we weren't making that easy for him. And then he ended up. He was like, you guys can't leave. And I was like, no, we're leaving. And he held me against the wall and started kissing me and then grabbed her hand and made her touch him. And eventually I, like, pushed through and got out of, like, his. Out of where he was. And I was like, no, like, we're leaving. But he wouldn't let go of her. And she went and opened the door, and she told Manuel, the door is open. Everyone can hear what you're doing. And only then did he let me go. And then I ran out after her.

[Megyn Kelly]

Manuel Blanco Vela. But here's the question mark. Is there any liability? So this is criminal charges we're talking about. Is there any liability for the tour company or anybody beyond that, the school, anybody who failed to protect these girls?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Well, I know that there was an investigation into the schools, for example, my client went to. If you press me, I'll say it. But a very well known, well respected Florida state school, and that's how she picked this company. That's how most of the girls did. The Discover Excursions marketed these specific universities and targeted them. And the universities seemed to recommend them as vendors. And. And there's some argument that they knew that funny stuff was going on and continued to recommend them as vendors. And so, unfortunately, it's very difficult to prevail in the civil arena, and I don't think anyone's had to pay a nickel.

[Megyn Kelly]

So what's gonna happen to this guy now that he's. Why is he out? He's just out pending sentencing, Correct.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

It's all the way up to the highest court in the land in Spain. In fact, Gabby said, wow. From a Megyn Kelly appearance to now this case being in the highest court in Spain, she was very impressed and also grateful to the other two women who came forward on your show, who technically were also my clients. But when I called on my clients was me just being a mentor and a Sounding board to help them get through this whole thing. That's really what I did. But yeah, there's possibly more charges going to be brought against him in Spain. Gabby, you'll learn in our interview, is working actively to make sure that that happens.

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[Megyn Kelly]

It's crazy, John, when you think about this guy who had access to a bunch of 20, 21 year olds, you know, college students, they're young, 19, studying abroad. One of the most exciting experiences in their young lives. Your tour guide might slip you a mickey and sexually not just harass, but assault you. When, when I interviewed Gabby, I remember this moment. We pulled it. She didn't know that she'd been in the bathroom with Vela for a half an hour because she, she was, she believed she was drugged. This is the moment. Here, watch this Thought 33. Gabrielle spoke with her friends in the morning and asked if they remembered anything from the night before. One told her Gabrielle had been in the bathroom with Vela for half an hour.

[Gabby Vega]

It's difficult talking about it just because I've talked to a lot of girls now who have dealt with this at his hands and I could have done something and

[Megyn Kelly]

I couldn't. Oh, so now it's like that's an important thing to see because you see her feeling like really great about the result, you know, and she's feeling more cocky, as that happens to a lot of women when they find their voices. But that is all born out of like a deep, deep, unsettling pain that being sexually assaulted against your will, especially while under a drug, possibly can do to a young woman.

[Jonna]

Oh, absolutely. And I, a lot of these women, probably for a period of time, if not forever, feel I, I believe that somehow, some way, they're the ones who screwed up, that somehow they're to blame. And we have to let women in their position know that. No, you're not to blame. Right. The world is supposed to be a nice place. You're not supposed to get molested by your tour guide. You're not supposed to get molested by anybody, especially somebody who tries to eliminate resistance by secretly drugging you. And this guy, you know, you have to think about it, he didn't just meet these women by becoming their tour guide. I'm sure you have to fill out your name, rank and serial number when you apply to be on this tour. He could have targeted them before they ever, ever met him in real life. Like this. This type of predator plans this out, executed it perfectly. And if Spain doesn't do better and put this guy behind bars, so that other people do not also get hurt by anybody who's got the same idea, then shame on them.

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[Megyn Kelly]

I want to kick this off with this horrific Henry Nowak case. So he's a Scot and he's he was going to college in Great Britain in the English city of Southampton. He was walking home after a night out with friends Yesterday we said this happened in 2023. I'd like to correct that. It was 2025. It was December of 2025. He was walking home, first year college student studying accounting from a night out with friends. He had been drinking, but not much. He was not legally drunk and a man approached him named Vikram Digwa, who is Sikh and dresses in traditional Sikh garb and carries knives as part of that chosen garbage. You're not allowed to carry certain knives in Great Britain, but there's an exception if it's for your religion. So for example, he carried an 8 inch long Shastar which is a knife, as well as a Sikh Kirpan, a ceremonial blade. All right, so we're showing a picture of it now and of this particular guy. In the uk, Sikhs are legally permitted to carry a Kirpan knife in public as it's protected under religious exemption laws. Okay, so this they the two men had an encounter in which Vikram and Henry exchanged words of some sort and the next thing we know, Henry gets stabbed four times by Vikram. Those facts are not in dispute. That that is what happened. What words were said, whether the stabbing was in self defense, as Vikram is now claiming in court, we don't know. But that's basically what the arguments are. Unfortunately Henry is not here to testify in his own defense because he died from those injuries and the police behavior around his dying moments is absolutely outrageous. And one of the things I believe that made this an international scandal because it turned out as he lay dying and handcuffed because his assailant was saying he called me a racist name. He, he was, he said shouted something racist at me and the cops believed him. Slapping cuffs on Henry. Henry was bleeding out and about to the reports are basically drown on his own blood that was filling up his lungs where he had been stabbed by Vikram and said I've been stabbed to the police who said I don't believe you have mate. And this poor 18 year old kid is now dead. So his accused assailant is on trial in Great Britain and is acting the choir boy. It was self defense. He called me a racist name. I was worried he was going to stab me when with my weird knives. And weirdly it's actually there's precious little photography or other pictures of this guy Vikram Digua on the Internet. We've looked but we were past a video by a source that shows the defendant in his Sikh gear and he's got the one knife across him. There's this one sort of, I don't know how you describe it but like a, it's, it's a knife that sort of cuts in half. It's like has a 90 degree angle on it. I mean it's absolutely lethal looking. And in this particular, in this particular video I think you'll see that knife or at least a strap to it on his chest along with a sword, the kind of sword the college kids use when they're doing sword fighting. You know I think they call it an EPI in his hand, in his other hand, I mean a full sword walking around the streets of England. And what's interesting to me is you will hear him, they are, they object in the beginning of the video I'm about to show you to him being recorded which is another thing that allegedly happened during his confrontation with Henry. Henry took out his phone and started videotaping this guy. He reportedly did, didn't like that. And through one act or another Vikram the defendant wound up with Henry's phone on him and his mother is accused of helping him hide some of that evidence. Now if Vikram did nothing wrong you would think he'd say hey police, here's my phone and here's Henry's phone. You know you're going to hear a racial epithet on there that's not what happened. He didn't tell people they found the phone on him. But listen here carefully and you will also hear him objecting to the recording or his friend. Listen. Now let me tell you something else. My source tells me that this man victim was known to police and this, this wasn't his first brush with them. I find that easy to believe. If he's walking around the streets of England with an actual sword and out, it's not sheathed, it's in his hand. He's having yet another angry confrontation with somebody to the point where that person felt they ought to take out their camera and record what this guy was doing. Doesn't mean he didn't kill Henry in self defense, but it doesn't, doesn't look good. So let me start with you on it. Jon, what do you make of this trial? Because it's underway right now and unfortunately our friends in the UK have lost their minds when it comes to race, free speech and even the possibility of a racist thought or word. Here in America it's not illegal to be a racist or even to say racist things. And believe it or not, that's a good thing. My friends, it's not like we all want to be racist and run around saying racist things, but we don't want to criminalize even the most, the most controversial behaviors or statements that it crosses over into unlawful if you act on it in the employment context and that's your motivation for a decision, etc. But over in the uk you actually can get arrested for like being a racist. Having a racist thought or behavior or statement could actually get you arrested over there. And I do believe that's why Henry wound up with the cuffs on him because they took this guy's word for it. Your thoughts?

[Jonna]

Well, it's disgusting. And over here that would not happen because over here if police happen upon a scene and one guy is brandishing or has weapons on his body and another guy is laying in the street bleeding out, the person with the weapons is going to get subdued first, not the victim. So that's number one. Number two, so many facts about this. Megan really rubbed me the wrong way. And for example, I don't care how drunk any college student gets drunk, do you think that person is going to approach somebody who's wearing knives? Just. It wouldn't happen that way. So who really was the aggressor here? Who really was the one making the first move? Who, who set out to possibly stab somebody and make this, what could be a false claim of self defense? I Have a lot of questions in this case.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Megan.

[Gabby Vega]

Megan.

[Megyn Kelly]

Mark, the police say there's something major

[Mark Eiglarsch]

we're leaving out this. To me, this is everything. And I'm so glad that both of you didn't say it. So I get to say it. I don't know what the facts are, but I do know that there are stab wounds to the kid's legs, his hind legs, which would indicate that he was turned away from this guy. End of story. On self defense.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, because police say that Digwa, the defendant was, quote, aggressively pursuing Henry. Aggressively pursuing him, leaving a trail of blood. After the first attack, Henry tried to flee, but was pursued and further assaulted, being stabbed four times. Mark. So you're right. It's a great point. But he's. He's in court right now claiming. And of course, Henry's not there, claiming Henry called him a racial slur and that he was worried Henry was going to grab his gun. Sorry, his knife. I'm focused on America.

[Jonna]

His.

[Megyn Kelly]

His knife. And stab him with it. Because Henry was drunk and verbally aggressive. And I guess in this guy's story, in the mood to commit an assault on this poor, innocent Sikh.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Okay. It is so predictable. And maybe it's because John and I do this work all the time. You start with a guy who's not going to say, okay, you got me. I stabbed the college kid because I'm aggressive and I've got issues. And I didn't like the way he was looking at me or maybe something that he said. He's not going to say that. He knows he's going to the pokey for years if he does. So let's go to the playbook. Let's add in something that's the worst you could say about someone, especially in that country, apparently. So he made some of these racial remarks about me.

[Gabby Vega]

Aha.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Let's shift it over and make him the criminal. And we'll also say he's unarmed, but he was going to use my weapon and harm me.

[Gabby Vega]

Aha.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Okay. And it worked so effectively. This guy played law enforcement like a fiddle to. Because to this guy who's got injuries, he's dying, he's bleeding out. They put handcuffs on him. If that happened here, people would be looking for a new job for sure and maybe would find themselves in the pokey.

[Megyn Kelly]

They didn't put handcuffs on Vikram, the defendant, John. That's what's. It's so outrageous. They took his word for it that a racial slur had been uttered. They put handcuffs on the man who was stabbed and Down. They clearly didn't identify or examine him to see whether his claims of having been stabbed were true because they. They were true and they were telling him that they weren't. A postmortem reports News Nation found that he suffered four stab wounds and a cut to his jaw with two of the wounds, as Mark points out, to the back of his legs. Now I can see how maybe they wouldn't find the back of the legs if, if it hadn't bled through, if it. Whatever. But like, you do a cursory examination before you decide whether the man needs medical help or not, and they weren't interested at all. So, like, Elon Musk is threatening right now or offering right now to fund the wrongful death lawsuit by Henry's family against the UK police. I mean, separate and apart from the legal liability or the guilt or innocence of Vikram, there may be something there in the civil courts.

[Jonna]

There very well may because it's absolutely ridiculous that you're handcuffing somebody who's bleeding out and dying. And what did the police do? I'm wondering when they approached the scene, did they just say to the defendant, hey, you know what? Can you just put that knife in your back pocket for me? Can you not wear it around your neck while we're processing this poor guy who's about to die? Like how. I don't understand how that works and maybe because I'm not familiar with how they do things over in the UK but it would never happen here. NYPD walks up to somebody who's wearing a couple of knives around his neck. That guy is going down that he might not get back.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jonna]

Until they figure it out.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

And, and by the. I mean, by the way, Megan, you

[Megyn Kelly]

got a full sword. Like, that's crazy. I don't know if he had it that night, but like, he clearly walked around with it. Go ahead, Mark.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I'm putting myself in the shoes of this, this guy, the victim. If I see a man walking down the street holding a knife outward one that could kill wearing, I might be taking photos, I might be videoing, because that would look to me so up unusual that I would think something's about to go down. That's all I'm saying. Call me a racist.

[Megyn Kelly]

Maybe I just don't understand the UK that you're.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

You're. That, that, that. That's a religious thing. Okay, Kill me, you know, for that. But I would probably think, oh, my.

[Megyn Kelly]

Don't say that.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Right. Something's about to happen and I'm going to pull out My phone and keep an eye on him.

[Jonna]

No, you know what I would do.

[Megyn Kelly]

He was reportedly Henry. Henry was. Henry was reportedly speaking to friends on Snapchat. That's why he had the phone. I don't. I guess it was like a FaceTime kind of situation. When he came across Digwa, they did exchange words. Noak is heard saying in it, bad man. What bad man? You're a bad man. Say you're a bad man. Go on. Digua responds, I am a bad man. And Nowak replies, are you A. And this is the only way I've seen it reported B, dot, dot, dot, before the footage cuts off. And I don't know what that, what that means. I have no idea what B stands for or what he was asking and I haven't seen it fully reported. Police were called to the scene. Maybe, but that, like, no one's printing out the word, you know, like I, I think it. They might just be able to tell that he said some word beginning with B. I have no idea. Idea. But police were called, they arrested Nowak. And Digua claimed he'd been racially abused. His brother. Dig was. Brother says, we've just been attacked by someone. Racially. We got attacked racially by some white person. The brother says, he physically attacked my brother. We're seeks. We wear turbans and he attacked my brother. The police body cam footage was shown in court. Noak repeatedly told officers, I've been stabbed. I can't breathe. They put handcuffs on Noak, who was lying on his side. He was saying, I'm stabbed. The other officer, the officer told Nowak he was under arrest for suspicion of assault.

[Gabby Vega]

He.

[Megyn Kelly]

He said, I've been stabbed. A male voice says, I don't think you have, mate. Digua, the prosecutor says, did not seek help for Noak. Instead, he accused him of being a racist and being drunk. After he collapsed, police started rendering aid. Digua now wants you to believe this was all self defense. If it were self defense, wouldn't he have said that in the moment, Janna. Wouldn't he have said, I stabbed him because he was going to stab me? Wouldn't he have said while the guy was lying there dying and his assault charge was turning into a murder charge, he has been stabbed. He. He has been stabbed. The guy's in handcuffs. That he knows he's not going to get away with this shit? So, like, he behaved like a man who had consciousness of guilt.

[Jonna]

He led with, I, you know, he made a racial slur. He, he led with, you know, he made a Comment about my turban. It, you know, reminds me a lot of that's the buzzword that he knew he needed to say like hands up, don't shoot. Like that kind of stuff was going on and he just spewed it out and the police bought it hook, line and sinker. And now we have a dead kid. So yeah, it's really, it's disgusting.

[Megyn Kelly]

He says to the police, he came at me, he barged into me. I was racially and physically abused by Henry Noak. I was petrified as he pulled out his phone to record his attack. But you know what's not in evidence, Mark? Any video of Henry Nowak saying anything racial whatsoever or, or friends who had been listening to him prior on Snapchat, taking the witness stand to say, yeah, I did hear him use a racial epithet and referring to these two Sikh guys. None of that. There's been no evidence other than the defendant who's worried about going to prison.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah, I suspect that that might not be true. But the putting it aside, let's just say as you said earlier, let's say cuz even a prostitute can be raped and even someone who is a racist, hypothetically, and we're not saying he is, can be, you know, can walk on the street, not have issues. Right. And doesn't deserve to be stabbed. But I keep focusing on, okay, one guy had the knife. The guy who's walking down the street, the alleged perpetrator, he's walking down the street. How does he fear that the victim's going to get a hold of his knife? Because that's what we're talking about. The moment before stabbing, did the perpetrator reasonably believe death or great bodily harm? And you can say, yeah, I believed he was going to get my knife. How though? How was he going to get it? You had it. It's not like he was grabbing at it and he took it be detailed. How is he going to do that? Not just in theory, he could get my knife so I just stabbed him. And I think that that's at best what the guy's claiming.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, there's more to the story because there are some key videos. They're not, it's not like our Florida courts, God bless you Mark, where we have this sunshine law and then we get to see everything that happens. Over in the uk, you see nothing. So they're not releasing even the evidence publicly, at least for now. So I only have descriptions of the videos that they're showing to the jury. But apparently there was a video shown to the jury of Noak and scrambling over a fence to try to escape Digua after he was stabbed. And a separate video shows Digua and his brother accused Noak of racially and verbally attacking Digua. And Noak can be heard denying that they're like you, you called us a racial epithet or whatever. And Noak in his dying declaration denies it. Digua is heard saying, no one stabbed you, bro. You're something up I presume effed up. You're drunk. Meanwhile, he knows full well he stabbed him. That's not even in contention in the court case. But in the moment he's trying to sell the man he stabbed that he didn't stab him. And the dying man is saying I'm stabbed and I did not call you anything racial. Another video was played to the court in which Digua's father was there. I like he was traveling around I guess with his whole family saying he's pretending to. A minute ago he was talking to you guys. Now he's trying to get up and going to leave. Throughout the video, Noah can be seen lying on the floor as Diga's family and neighbors tell him to sit up and listen to this. Two days after the murder reports the Southampton Times, police covertly recorded a conversation that took place between Vikram Digua and his brother Gurpreet and a conversation, a transcript of it was read to the jury. At one point, the defendant's brother tells him, quote, you should say it was self defense. I mean this seems open and shut to me and I'd be willing to go that far, Mark, if it weren't for the crazy attitudes about race in

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[Megyn Kelly]

I just want to kick it off with the most bizarre story on the Internet. It's not legal, but you might have thoughts. It's this mask guy, alleged mask guy. I know you've seen it. He went on Fox News and his name is Robert Harward. He is of centcom, formerly of CENTCOM Central Command in the Middle East. He's a military guy, and he was speaking to my old pals Bill Hemmer and Dana Perino on my old show, America's Newsroom. And that video has now gone super viral. Because if you focus on his neck right above his shirt, it very much looks like the bottom of a mask that is detached from the skin. I don't know what else this could be. There's some speculation by some online saying, maybe it's a shadow. It doesn't look like a shadow to me, but it's kind of hard to swallow mask. We have other video of this man from other hits. He's done. And I will say he looks a little smoother in his America's Newsroom hit than he does in some of his other videos. So it's like, I don't know, maybe. I have no idea why he would be in a mask. At first I saw it and I said, this is some crazy conspiracy theory. People are nuts. But it's gone so viral with so many people who I consider legitimate reporters, non conspiratorial people saying, what in the hell is this that I. We got to talk about it. Any thoughts? Mark, I saw you shaking your head yes or nodding your head yes. What do you make of it?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

It's just bizarre. I don't know what to make of it. I mean, the first thing is I thought it was a given that it was a mask. And then you're raising, well, it could be a shadow. I'm like, oh, wait, let's give him the presumption of innocence here. Maybe it's not a mask. And if it's not a mask, then what the hell are we doing talking about it, Right? But if it is, what is?

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, Viva Fry, who we love. He's a lawyer, too. He's a journalist, and he said he's.

[Gabby Vega]

He.

[Megyn Kelly]

He thinks it's a shadow. He thinks if you watch this Mark, which is horizontal across his throat, right exactly where a mask that you might pull over your head would end. He thinks it's mirror. It's mirroring his lip movements. And I can see what he means there it is kind of mirroring. His lip movements. So I don't know what that tells us. Jonna. Like it? I don't know. Theory is also that somehow it's a reflection of the teleprompter. But Viva, there would be no teleprompter for the guest. You guys have been guests on Fox News countless times. The guest does not get a teleprompter. At best, they get a little camera that they look into. So. And the camera doesn't cast shadow on the per. On the guest. So I don't. Maybe it's his shot shirt causing a shadow. I don't know. Jonna, what do you think?

[Jonna]

Well, I originally thought before I realized that this wasn't zoom. Sometimes zoom, when it enhances your image can make things look really weird. But I actually think if it's a mask, this guy's onto something. Megan, hear me out. I know this probably doesn't happen to you, but it's happened to me. How many times do you wake up in the morning one day and you're like, oh, no, my botox wore off. Right?

[Gabby Vega]

And then you got.

[Jonna]

And you have tv, right? You've got some big thing. You got a big computer, like, shoot. Okay, let me get the mask. And until you can get to your botox doctor.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Objection. Unrelatable.

[Jonna]

I love it. You can't object.

[Gabby Vega]

No.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

What is it?

[Megyn Kelly]

It would be so helpful.

[Gabby Vega]

Wait.

[Megyn Kelly]

We actually pulled video from the Internet of somebody putting on an ultra realistic silicone mask.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Amazing. Watch this. All right, so the listening audience. You got to go to the show at 44 after the hour. And look at this. He's putting on his face. He's pulling it to sort of get it on the nose properly. He's putting the bottom neck underneath his T shirt. He's putting on a cap so you can hide the weirdness. Ew. He looks very creepily real.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Would not know.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Megan, in the interest of disclosure, I just. I wanted to say something.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, God. Don't freak me out. No.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Ew.

[Megyn Kelly]

You're freaking me out. He's pretending to fall off his mask. Let me tell you something. So the Internet was going nuts with this last night, Yours truly included. And one of the clips that started to circulate was of the. I didn't even know there was such a person. The former chief of disguise at the CIA. Coolest job ever. Who doesn't want that job? Her name is Jana Mendez, and she went on. You know the singer Jennifer Hudson? She had a talk show for a while and this woman went on. I mean, like, so random. What that former CIA chief of disguise speaking to Jennifer Hudson and talked about how this is absolutely something they do at CIA, a full head mask that you put on over that that has like the neck ending. And they used it and she talked about when she revealed it to a former president in the Oval Office. Watch this. What's the most memorable moment from being in disguise for you?

[Gabby Vega]

There were a number of them, but the one, I mean, one that has to stand out. I went to the White House and I briefed George H.W. bush, the president at the time, while I was wearing a full face mask. So we're sitting like this close together and I'm telling him that I'm going to show him the best disguise that we have. And he's looking for a bag, like, where, where is it? I said, well, I'm wearing it and I'm going to take it off. And I reached to start taking it off and he said stop. And he got up and he walked and he looked and he looked at it. He couldn't, he didn't know it was a mask. He wasn't sure what I was wearing. He sat back down, he said, said, okay. So I took it off and I was holding it up in the air so he could see it. My whole head, it had hair and a face and a neck.

[Megyn Kelly]

So you could walk around as someone else.

[Gabby Vega]

Absolutely.

[Megyn Kelly]

And that would be the disguise.

[Gabby Vega]

Absolutely. That was a great disguise.

[Megyn Kelly]

Go Jennifer.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

But go, go Sally. Jesse Rock.

[Megyn Kelly]

Years ago.

[Gabby Vega]

That was

[Jonna]

random.

[Megyn Kelly]

You can't make it up. But there for the listening audience, there she, there's a picture of her behind her, talking of her holding her little mask up like, like almost like a severed head sitting in the Oval. And it, it's, it is not impossible at all that this guy for some reason was wearing an actual mask. We just don't know why. Now, if this guy's former CIA talking on America's Newsroom, I, I think I'd be confused, convinced. Mark. But he's former centcom, Right.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

What's his motive?

[Megyn Kelly]

And he doesn't.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. He doesn't have the, he's bald. He doesn't need to worry about the hair, the wrinkles.

[Jonna]

Maybe he's not bald.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. And also, well, unless this isn't him. Like, I think that's the theory by some. So here's an earlier shot of him on a different appearance where he does look a little bit more rugged and less smooth than in this other one on America's Newsroom. But I think the, the question Is. Guys, was it actually this man, Robert Harward on America's Newsroom? Because, you know, I've listened to the audience. Many of them thought that Joe Biden had a lookalike or sort of a stand in who wore a Joe Biden mask many, many times. And there would be videos on the Internet they cut where, like, you could see the height differential. We had tons of video of Joe Biden next to Jill Biden. And in a couple of videos, you know, and he was infirm, you'd see him much shorter, like almost her height. And people be like, whoa, what happened? You don't shrink, you know, by six inches. So can we rule it out, or are we just getting pulled into the madness that's in the ether right now with all the aliens coming out and, like, all the things we were told were. Are true, right?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Bigfoot is alive.

[Gabby Vega]

We.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

We know that now. It's real.

[Megyn Kelly]

We did a segment on that on America's Newsroom one time, too. In the doldrums of summer Eyeglass.

[Jonna]

It's hard.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's hard to fill the two hours of airtime.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Can't we just talk about a murder?

[Megyn Kelly]

I know something simple to solve. All right, so we don't have answers. Is that basically where we don't know? What's your vote? If you have to vote, Was it a mask or not? What do you say, Jonael?

[Jonna]

It kind of looks like a mask, but if you're that sophisticated, where you're going to put on somebody else's face, wouldn't it be a little bit longer? Wouldn't you wear a scarf like a Austin Powers? Do something to cover that up like an ascot?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah. I'm going with Shadow. This is much ado about nothing. Nothing.

[Gabby Vega]

No,

[Mark Eiglarsch]

No, really, you don't know.

[Megyn Kelly]

It moves just like the bottom of a mask. It really does. I guess I'll go with Shadow. Because, you know, Occam's Razor, simplest explanation is usually the best. And again, why would this guy be wearing a mask? And his voice sounds just like the voice of the actual Robert Harward in other hits. So I don't believe it was a different person. But will we ever know? He's gonna have to put out a statement. I guarantee you we are T minus, like, two hours from him putting out a statement or doing a hit. He's going to show up, and we'll update the audience with that video when it happens.

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