California Fire Suspect ARRESTED, Death at Haunted Mansion, Case Closed on Mysteriously Injured Teen

Summary

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Episode: California Fire Suspect ARRESTED, Death at Haunted Mansion, Case Closed on Mysteriously Injured Teen
Date: October 10, 2025
Host: Jonna Spilbore
Contributors: Mark Igar, Phil Holloway

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Episode Overview

This episode covers three major cases:

1. The arrest of a suspect in the devastating Palisades fire in California
2. The closure of the criminal investigation into a mysteriously injured high school teen
3. The recent death of a woman at Disneyland’s Haunted Mansion and liability issues at amusement parks

The conversation weaves in expert legal perspectives, case analysis, and a dose of the panel’s spirited debate.

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Main Segments and Key Insights

1. California Palisades Fire Arson Arrest

[Segment begins 02:08]

• Case Recap: The Palisades fire earlier in the year destroyed over 6,000 homes and caused over $150 billion in damages, leaving 12 dead. An Uber driver, Jonathan Rendernecht (pronunciation questioned), has been arrested as the suspect.
• Evidence and Charges:
  • Surveillance evidence and witness testimony (not to fire setting, but to suspect’s agitated state)
  • Perpetrator’s behavior: Angry when driving passengers shortly before the fire
  • Circumstantial evidence includes suspect listening to rap music with fire imagery, searching ChatGPT for legal advice about starting a fire with a cigarette, calling 911 after the fire
• Legal Perspectives:
  • Debate over sufficiency and nature of evidence (circumstantial vs direct)
  • Potential for death penalty charges ("If ever there was a case that begged for the death penalty, wouldn’t it be this one?" – Jonna, 04:56)
  • Mens rea explored: Malice, intent, and recklessness
• Notable Quotes:
  • "Evidence is like building a wall... each little fact is like a brick in that wall." – Phil, 05:21
  • "Every firebug is fascinated by fire, but not everyone who's fascinated by fire is a firebug." – Phil, 08:23
  • "This is a death penalty case, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see some murder charges get tacked on here." – Phil, 08:31
  • "But for his lighting of that fire... these people would be alive." – Phil, 11:17
• Mitigation and Causation Issues:
  • Discussion on whether the fire's delayed damage lessens criminal responsibility
  • Hypotheticals around intent: Did the suspect expect this level of destruction?
• Past Precedent: Discussion of 2013 California arsonist Ricky Lee Fuller, who received the death penalty for a similar case (15:34).

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2. High School Teen Injured—Case Closed

[Segment begins 18:36]

• Case Recap: August Borden, a high schooler, suffered serious injuries (“looked like he was run over by a truck”), lost consciousness, and had no recollection of the event. Despite the severity, police closed the criminal investigation after reviewing witness testimony.
• Investigation Summary:
  • 17 witnesses interviewed; 8 were eyewitnesses
  • Police and prosecutors deemed it a tragic accident involving roughhousing and a fall (the “bear hug” incident on steps)
  • No evidence of intent (mens rea) found
• Panel Debate:
  • Mark and Phil accept the closure as reasonable given current evidence
  • Jonna is highly skeptical: "The picture of his injuries do not match the size of the steps that he allegedly fell face first on... he literally looks like somebody took a bowling ball and beat him about the face with it." (25:42)
  • Questions raised about the reliability of witness statements (“they all want to protect their own hides”) and whether video evidence was shared publicly
• Legal Distinction:
  • Difference between criminal and civil liability noted; Phil suggests the family may have a civil case for negligent supervision, but not a criminal one (22:00)
• Personal Correspondence:
  • “I have no reason to believe that evidence led anywhere other than this was a tragic accident.” – Mark, 20:08

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3. Theme Park Deaths and Legal Liability

[Disneyland Haunted Mansion segment begins 31:54]

A) Disneyland’s Haunted Mansion Fatality

• Incident: A woman in her 60s died of a heart attack after riding the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland.
• Panel Discussion:
  • Low likelihood of legal liability for Disney; ride is tame, and risk of pre-existing conditions is generally assumed by guests.
  • "You kind of voluntarily assume the known risks when you get on these theme park rides." – Phil, 33:22
  • Noted that lawsuits have occurred in the past (e.g., the 2009 Tower of Terror case), typically settled with small or confidential settlements when there is not clear negligence.
  • "You can't go sue Mickey Mouse." – Mark, 35:30

B) Universal Studios Roller Coaster Death

• Incident: Kevin Zavala, who used a wheelchair and had spinal cord atrophy, died after riding the Stardust Racers coaster; Ben Crump represents the family.
• Issues:
  • Debate over park’s responsibility to restrict access for at-risk riders
  • Discussion of “assumption of risk” and waivers; signage warning riders with pre-existing conditions
  • The value and ethics of high-profile press conferences in civil cases brought by attorneys like Ben Crump
• Quotes:
  • "How many millions of people have been on that coaster before and after? ... That doesn't necessarily mean that it's a payday for you. And that's exactly what this looks like." – Mark, 39:45
  • “Every roller coaster I’ve been on says, ‘If you’ve got back problems, don’t get on this ride.’” – Phil, 43:39
  • "I don’t know that you deprive people of their opportunity to waive their rights and go on a ride and assume responsibility for what happened." – Mark, 43:12

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4. “First Class Karen” – Viral Airport Incident

[Segment begins 46:16]

• Story: Laura Nash, a woman in her late 30s, was removed by marshals from a flight after sitting in first class without a ticket and refusing to deplane, demanding to be treated differently.
• Panel Reaction:
  • General amazement at her entitlement and the officers’ restraint
  • Noted issues: intoxication, disruptive behavior, spectacle of demanding “to be comfortable”
• Notable Quotes:
  • “As an ex-cop, I can tell you these officers had a lot more patience than we on my shift would have had.” – Phil, 48:47
  • “She does seriously need to reevaluate her relationship with alcohol.” – Mark, 50:03

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5. Listener Mailbag: Wendy Adelson – Is She Being Watched?

[Segment begins 50:53]

• Question: Is Wendy Adelson, ex-wife in a known crime case, being monitored by authorities?
• Legal Analysis:
  • Panel agrees active surveillance is unlikely unless arrest is imminent. Authorities probably have flagged her passport and monitor her location in less invasive ways.

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6. Closing Arguments

[Segment begins 53:12]

• Mark Igar: Speaks to the courage of prosecutors and police who do not bring charges after tragedies, despite public pressure. Praises integrity and commitment to justice over optics.
• Phil Holloway: Criticizes the integrity of law enforcement hiring, citing recent incidents in Clayton County, GA of corrections officers smuggling contraband. Calls for better vetting, pay, and accountability.
• Jonna Spilbore: Delivers a spirited rant criticizing sentencing leniency for Nicholas Roski, who plotted an assassination attempt on Justice Kavanaugh; denounces the judge’s reliance on the defendant’s gender dysphoria as mitigation.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Arson Evidence:
  • "Watching a video that happens to have fire in it is merely coincidental. He might be fascinated with fire, but it doesn't mean that he set fire. Where are your busload of nuns here?" – Mark, 07:20
• On Roughhousing Ruling:
  • "This is not the face that got a bear hug... it just doesn’t support those findings." – Jonna, 27:06
• On Theme Park Lawsuits:
  • “You can’t go sue Mickey Mouse.” – Mark, 35:30
• On Entitlement:
  • “I wasn’t drunk. My speech wasn’t slurred. I was merely speaking in cursive.” – Mark, 50:03
• On Legal System Integrity:
  • "Justice isn't about appeasing outrage. It's about doing what's right, even when it's hard." – Mark, 54:23
• Closing Rant:
  • “Orange may be the new black, but gender dysphoria ought not be the new get out of jail free card.” – Jonna, 57:26

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Palisades Fire Case: 02:08 – 18:04
• High School Injured Teen: 18:36 – 29:24
• Disneyland Haunted Mansion Death: 31:54 – 39:47
• Universal Studios Coaster Death: 37:50 – 43:46
• First Class Karen: 46:16 – 50:52
• Mailbag – Wendy Adelson: 50:53 – 52:53
• Closing Arguments: 53:12 – 61:52

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Tone & Style

The panel brings together legal expertise, lively debate, skepticism, and humor, keeping the discussion both accessible and insightful for legal novices and true crime junkies alike.

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Transcript

[Mark Igar]

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[Jonna Spilbore]

Welcome to MK True Crime. I'm Jonna Spilbore, your host today. I'm also the founding attorney at John Espilbor law and criminal defense lawyer who wouldn't be caught dead in a pair of sensible shoes. Here's what's on the docket. A suspect has been arrested in connection with the Palisades fire that devastated California earlier this year. Will share the evidence and the charges. A major update in the high school teen who was severely and mysteriously injured at school. Investigators have deemed the criminal case closed. We'll bring you all the details. A woman died this week after riding Disneyland's popular Haunted Mansion attraction. What past incidents can tell us about future legal actions? I am joined today by fellow MK True Crime contributors. Mark Iguarsch, who's a former prosecutor, current criminal defense lawyer who you can find at. Speak to mark.com and have we mentioned he's the MVP and sole member of the MK True Crime Pickleball league?

[Mark Igar]

Oh yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

And Phil Holloway, criminal lawyer, former police officer and all around Southern gentleman whose guiltiest pleasure is collecting pocket protectors. Let's start with the. I made that up for you, Bill. Let's start with the alleged arson arrested this week and connect connection with the Palisades fire that caused complete and utter devastation in California earlier this year. All right guys, so we're going to talk about fire first and foremost this morning. Do you remember back at the beginning of this year there was a fire in California that devastated, I believe it was over 6,000 homes it cost over $150 billion in damages. And finally, investigators really think they have pinpointed the culprit. And I think they are about to upcharge, if you will, his criminal charges because they believe, at least right now, that this fire was intentionally set. What do they have? They do have surveillance evidence. They've got some witness testimony. Not to setting the fire itself, but apparently the perpetrator here, whose name is the Jonathan Rendernecht, if I am pronouncing that correctly, I may not be, Was an Uber driver at the time he set this fire. He had a couple of passengers in his car who claimed that he was angry and agitated when they. When he dropped them off, which was not long before he allegedly intentionally set this fire. Now, prosecutors are thinking about, I don't know, maybe going for the death penalty mark. We've, we've chatted about the death penalty for what before? What do you, what do you say about this one?

[Mark Igar]

Okay, well, my first thought as the criminal defense attorney is I'm looking through each of the facts and I'm saying, well, that doesn't prove anything. One by one, I'm like, okay, he was angry and agitated. Witnesses say, well, lock me up and throw away the key. If every time I'm angry and agitated, somehow that means I committed a crime. And then he was listening to some rap song by French artist Jasmine and in their music video, they set fire to stuff. I. Oh, come on, you're reaching. But then you've put together each thing and what you've got is a really good circumstantial evidence case. In other words, bloodshot eyes doesn't mean you're dui. Slurred speech. Well, that could be explained. Unsteady on your feet, maybe. But you put it all together, you get one clear picture. Do I think they're going to go for the death penalty? Maybe, if it's to get an absolute slam dunk guilty verdict where he'll go away for a number of decades, which, if he did it, he deserves to get.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Bill, this guy sounds like a whack job. He's listening to this music about setting things on fire. Very dystopian type music images they found in connection after they isolated him and figured out that it probably was him. 12 people died, as I mentioned, 6,000 homes. If ever there was a case that begged for the death penalty, wouldn't it be this one?

[Phil Holloway]

Yeah, I would think so. And you know, look, evidence is like building a wall. We say each little fact is like a brick in that wall. And when you start putting them together, putting one on top of the other and laying it all together, you know, you wind up getting the more complete picture of the wall, right? That the prosecutor has to get over that wall by proving beyond a reasonable doubt. One of the facts though, that to me stands out, that points to guilt. But more than any other facts that we know about at this time is that law enforcement says that he lied to them. They interviewed him back months and months ago, not too long after this happened. And because he's one of the ones that actually called 911 after this fire. And so they, they had him on their radar, so to speak, because he had talked to to 91 1. And by the way, when I was in the police academy back in, I think 1812 or whenever it was I was in the academy, we were taught about firebugs. One thing that they like to do is they like to call 911 so they can see, you know, the law enforcement response with their own eyes and sometimes even participate in it. So anyway, he's calling 91 1. So they interview him. But then he lies. He lies to the cops in their interview about where he was when that fire broke out. And then he goes into chat GPT and he says, look, what is my criminal if I cause a fire? Using a cigarette or a cigarette, throwing out a cigarette. And that's like, you know, you're setting up your own alibi. You're basically trying to downplay or minimize your conduct because they know this fire guys was not started by cigarettes so they can disprove the things that he said to them in their interview. And when you have a defendant or a suspect at this point lying to the police, it just makes the police dig harder and focus more on that person. And it makes them look more and more guilty the more they fabricate.

[Mark Igar]

See, I'm glad he brought that up about the cigarette because therein lies your possible defense. And I don't know as Phil is so certain that they can prove that it wasn't caused by a cigarette. So here you've got him asking why is he asking ChatGPT and again, this is the defense perspective. I'm not saying it's going to work, but the defense will argue he wrote that in there because he believes, my goodness, I threw a cigarette away. It started this fire. My goodness. So there is his alibi slash defense. And then why would he lie to law enforcement? Cuz he screwed up, he accidentally set fire and he's wondering whether that, oh, am I gonna get in Trouble for that. You're damn right you are. So that's why he lies to law enforcement. But, Mark, what about all those other things that caused you to believe he's likely guilty? Well, that's where good lawyering comes in. Phil or Jona, you'd have to say, well, those are coincidences. Watching a video that happens to have fire in it is merely coincidental. He might be fascinated with fire, but it doesn't mean that he set fire. Where are your busload of nuns here? So I'm doing. Where's your video? Where's the.

[Phil Holloway]

Every firebug is fascinated by fire, but not everyone who's fascinated by fire is a fire bug. I think that's the thing that's.

[Mark Igar]

And that's deep.

[Phil Holloway]

I don't know. They didn't disclose. They didn't disclose all their evidence. But they have experts in fire. I'm not one, but they have experts that say they can prove that this was intentionally said. And actually malice, by the way, is the legal standard. They said at that presser that they can prove malice. And that is the. That's worse than intent. That's an abandoned and a malignant kind of heart. It's one of the worst types of. We call it the mens rea, which is the part that goes along with the actus reus, the guilty act. The mens rea is the guilty mind. And so the most evil kind of mens rea is this malice. And when you've got people that have died and you've got property damage, what, in the billions now? Yeah, absolutely. This is a death penalty case, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some murder charges get tacked on here. I'm waiting to see if California is going to do it because they have a really strong case for, I think, a number of felony murder charges, which, of course, is a death that occurs during the commission of a felony, even if it was not intended as a death.

[Mark Igar]

John, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Causation. That's a statement. That's a word. Let's talk about the question behind that. Don't you think that they will argue causation, meaning he sets a fire? Yes, meaning he sets a fire, either intentionally or inadvertently. But let's say it's intentional. Let's go with that. It wasn't till a week later that somehow, with the right amount of wind, did this then kick up. I don't know all the terms, but it stayed underground and then it smoldered. And I Don't know all the terms, but apparently they didn't put this thing out in time. You think that the defense would argue causation at a minimum to take away the argument that Phil just made that he deserves to die?

[Jonna Spilbore]

I like, I think that's clever and I do like the argument. But I also think when it comes to proving causation in a criminal context, it will be looked at the same as, well, you know, if I shoot a gun into the air and the bullet comes down and hit somebody in the head and they die anyway, and I really wasn't intending to hit that person. It's kind of along the same lines. And he, if he intentionally set the fire, and apparently there is evidence that it was set by a lighter, not by an errant cigarette. So if he intentionally set that fire.

[Phil Holloway]

Any.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Any logical expansion of what would, any reasonable expansion of what would happen when somebody lights a fire, I think will be attributable to him for criminal and civil purposes.

[Mark Igar]

I agree with you. I don't know what jury's going to excuse. Well, you started a fire, but only intended to do a small fire.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Right. And then it only wanted to toast a marshmallow and $150 billion worth of damage.

[Mark Igar]

But it does go to mitigate.

[Phil Holloway]

The second day of law school where we learned about causation, there's this two word test for causation. It's called the but for test, but for his lighting of that fire, even if they attempted to put it out, but for that act, these people would be alive. Okay? And so that's the causation. There can be intervening things that happen, but it doesn't break the chain of causation. Because if he had not started that fire, assuming that he did, he's presumed innocent. But assuming that he did it and those people are dead because of it, he's going to prison and he may even die. And I think that would be justified on these facts.

[Mark Igar]

Well, don't you think there's a difference between him saying, I'm going to set a fire that I know will burn homes and likely kill people versus I'll set a small fire and then I walk away from that fire and then a week later, somehow it turns into what it did? Don't you think that those are two different scenarios? Not in terms of guilt. We're talking about mitigation.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, what you described though was an accident, right? So either was an intentionally said or it wasn't. If it was intentionally said, he's toast.

[Mark Igar]

No, my hypothetical, my hypothetical is he intentionally sets a fire to hurt people.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Or to warm his hands. Like, why is he intentionally.

[Mark Igar]

Because he's a fire bug. Like, they talk about that.

[Jonna Spilbore]

He a pyromaniac. Okay.

[Mark Igar]

He likes that stuff. Okay.

[Jonna Spilbore]

All right.

[Mark Igar]

Unbeknownst to him, again, he calls 911, they put it out. He thinks it's out. That's all he wanted to do. He wanted to see a fire a week later. Somehow, with the perfect amount of wind or whatever, it then blows up and turns into the fire that it did. That's very different than somebody who. And again, don't. Don't kill the messenger. I'm talking about in terms of mitigation, in terms of what sentence he should get. That's all we're talking about. Is there a difference? I ask you rhetorically, or you can answer if he intentionally sets a fire that he then knows is going to then ablaze tons of homes and kill 12 people. Like it did different, I think.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Well, what do you think it's going to do when you set a fire, right? I mean, what do you think it's going to do? It's not easily contained unless he showed up with his lighter and his lighter fluid and a bucket of water and some dirt and smoking bear behind him, like ready. You know, it's going to escape. It's rarely is it containable if you're just.

[Mark Igar]

Do you know that. Wait, do you know that he called 911? To his credit, I guess, and they did put it out.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Not to his credit. That's because that's what firebugs do.

[Mark Igar]

Right? But they put it out. And now the question is, I learned that it doesn't just go out. You would think that the fire department puts it out. Apparently it doesn't. So is that well known to him? Did he think, oh, they're going to put it out, but it'll smolder and then I'll get all those homes and people will die. I'd like to know the facts. Absent those facts, it's a different case in terms of mitigation, not to negate his guilt, because they're going to send me the mail that I always get. And you know what? I'm just telling you, I'm making a legal distinction. Death is different.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, there's something you're making. I don't know if you're making a legal distinction in so much as you're making a supposition, because. And that's why we are all supposing here, because we don't have access to the prosecutor's case file. Right. We, there's a lot of things that they know and there's some things presumably they don't know. All we have is what was released at the presser and maybe subsequently to that. But I can tell you that every person who spoke at that press conference seemed to be beyond confident that they were going to prove malice, which is this abandoned and malignant heart beyond a reasonable doubt. And if that's the case, that would argue against this being some kind of a, or an accidental fire or a fire that he was just keeping his hands warm with or whatever. They think that they can prove that this was a malicious act. And all I'm saying is if they can approve that it was a malicious act, then this guy is never going to breathe free air again.

[Mark Igar]

And I would agree with you. I think that that's exactly what his penalty should be. Not only to punish him for what he did, but there's also that general deterrent. We talked about that in the Diddy case. There's not just to punish Diddy, but to let people know, hey, you can't commit these crimes. The general deterrent to the public, you've got to have that here. We can't have another one of these, you know, horrible.

[Jonna Spilbore]

But Mark, we did, we did have one. And I had forgotten about this case back in 2013. There was Ricky Lee, I think it's Fuller.

[Mark Igar]

Sure.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Who did also in California did get the death penalty for lighting an intentional fire that scorched 91,000 acres and destroyed 1,000 buildings and burned for nine days. And in that one, men died, people died, not necessarily from being burned to death, but from having heart attacks trying to escape the blaze. So California has seen this before. They've done this before. If I were Jonathan Kindernick Rinderneck, sorry, I would be a little frightened. And that's the other thing. Quickly, because I want to move on to another topic. I would love to know this guy's story, right? How did he go from. He's a 29 year old guy, so fairly young guy, Uber driver. And did he have a criminal history? Has he done anything strange in his life? How did he get this job? And then all of a sudden he just wakes up on New Year's Day and says, yeah, you know what, let me burn the place down. It's always interesting to me what had.

[Mark Igar]

Happened prior hear about it in this case, obviously especially they seek the death penalty. Everyone who ever said God bless you to will testify on his behalf. So every good deed and every Lack of prior will become highlighted to get one juror to say, yeah, all right, you know what, let's let them live.

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[Jonna Spilbore]

Wanna move on to something that we had covered in the September 17 episode of this show? And I don't think you guys were not on that episode with me, but there was a case about a high schooler whose name is August Borden. And this is a strange case, you guys. This is a high schooler who basically went to football practice or was out doing something with his, with his teammates and or friends. Ends up in a predicament where he actually stops. His heart stops, his face is all beat up and bloody, his head is all beat up and bloody, his heart stops, he's taken to the hospital. His parents have no idea what happened to him. He has no idea what happened to him, obviously, because when you're hurt that badly, you will not have a recollection. He doesn't have a recollection. There was a Short investigation by police. They did interview some witnesses at this school. And the police have now closed the criminal case. This kid died and came back to life. He looks like he was ran over. Run over by a truck. And the police say, sorry, sorry, parents, nothing to see here. Are you kidding me, guys?

[Phil Holloway]

All right, well, Mark, you wanna go first?

[Mark Igar]

Yeah, I'll go first because I disagree with John.

[Phil Holloway]

I'm not mad about this, but go ahead.

[Mark Igar]

I'm not mad at all. So maybe you and I see this the same.

[Jonna Spilbore]

You're not mad at all?

[Mark Igar]

Not at all. Listen, I'm upset that this tragedy occurred. There are many tragedies that occur, and then we defer to law enforcement to conduct a thorough investigation. I have no reason to believe that they didn't. They spoke to 17 witnesses, eight of them were eyewitnesses. And then they came out and said, here's our findings. There was some type of. And don't kill the messenger on this one. Some type of a bear hug to this guy. And then he tripped and he fell. It was a tragic accident. Because you know better. Let's hear about your findings, John.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Let's. Before we get. Before you hear about my findings, can we just play SOT1? Because this is the. This is the presser where they say.

[Mark Igar]

It wasn't done, but play it. Go ahead.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I know. We'll get back to you.

[Mark Igar]

Mark here telling y' all this case is closed. As far as the criminal justice system goes, we are through with it. There's lots of unfortunate things that happen in life, and that does not mean necessarily there must be criminal charges. And we uncovered no evidence that would support any kind of criminal charges in this matter. So this will conclude this case as far as any possibility of criminal action. I love it. I love it because. Please, you and all the conspiracy people listen to me. Maybe that's possible. I'm not naive. I know politics plays a huge role in many, many DA's offices around the country. That said, I have no reason to believe that the evidence led anywhere other than this was a tragic accident. And we can't prove a criminal offense beyond a reasonable doubt. It takes courage for him to stand there and take the lashing that people like you, Jonna, are gonna dole out to him. Shame on you.

[Phil Holloway]

I'm not gonna. I'm not mad at. Not going to bash Jonah because she sees it another way. But what I can say is I think the family may have a. May have a crim, May have a civil case.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Absolutely.

[Phil Holloway]

There's I think that there's some argument here that there was, you know, negligent supervision of these kids and things like that. But look, here's where I'm coming from, okay? I have a. I have a child who plays high school football, okay? I know how high school footballers roughhouse with each other after practice. So this rings true to me when I hear that these prosecutors have found that these kids were just rough after practice. I can see it. I can easily see that happen. I have also, unfortunately, been an eyewitness to a situation where someone fell and broke their head open on some concrete steps. Okay. It happened at a sporting arena, but nevertheless, someone who lost their footing and had a severe head injury, and I think around the eye socket as well, similar to this young man. And so I can see how people can be seriously injured by losing their footing. And I can also see how you can lose your footing if your buddy is roughhousing with you, although they don't have. We talked about this a minute ago. The mens rea, the criminal intent. That's what's lacking. And I think that's what the prosecutors are saying. Okay, now, could you perhaps make a case that this was somehow some kind of misdemeanor reckless conduct or something? Maybe. But the prosecutors who have looked at it, and by the way, they've spoken to the witnesses, that would be the witnesses at any trial, and they have determined that these witnesses would not be helpful to a prosecution case and that maybe they would be more helpful to support a defense case if the defense was this was an accident. So, look, I'm obviously glad that the young man is going to get. Well, it looks like by all accounts he will. But the injuries were severe. Right. And I think that if I were maybe the father of that child, that young man, I would absolutely. And I know that the father is very upset by this, and I don't blame him. We all would be. We love our children. We don't want these things to happen. My efforts legally would be focused on whether there is a civil case to be brought, perhaps against the adults who maybe were supposed to be and weren't supervising these kids or other people that might perhaps be liable on a civil basis. Something that doesn't require an intention, doesn't require the mens rea, the criminal intent aspect of a crime. So that's where I would focus my efforts. The injuries were severe. This does appear to be a tragic sort of accident. But here's my one caveat. The they say that there's some video that supports these eyewitnesses. I haven't seen it. I'd like to see that video if there's one that exists. I don't necessarily always like to just take prosecutors at their word at these press conferences. I'm inquisitive by nature and I think our audience probably is too. I would like to see some of the underlying evidence, just like in the fire case. I'd like to see some of this evidence and not just rely on what prosecutors tell us they believe it means.

[Mark Igar]

So I got some breaking news. Jona. We just found out John apparently wants to outlaw bear hugs. She's looking for a five year minimum mandatory for anybody who does it.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yeah, you know what? I've never been a hugger, so I agree with that. Very funny.

[Mark Igar]

But I mean, look how tragic. Look what can result from a simple bear hug.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Can we just put up, can we put up the picture of the victim again? Because here's where you.

[Mark Igar]

Oh, would you stop?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Would you look what you missed. This is where you're missing the mark.

[Mark Igar]

The audience sees what you're doing. This is so transparent.

[Jonna Spilbore]

The picture of his injuries do not match the size of the steps that he allegedly fell face first on you guys. I mean, this is not. The steps are little three inch baby steps. He literally looks like somebody took a bowling ball and beat him about the face with it. That's why I am calling bullshit on this police press conference. There had to be more to this story. I agree. There's going to be a civil suit. Of course there will be a civil suit. But something nefarious went on here. This kid would not suffer those injuries without some other intentional or very reckless.

[Mark Igar]

So how about this? I call bullshit on you. How about you tell us exactly what you think happened? We have eight witnesses who support that.

[Jonna Spilbore]

There was nothing nefarious that all got their stories straight. Come on, you guys. We've all interviewed kids. Have you not interviewed. We've all interviewed kids over the course of our career.

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[Mark Igar]

They can be broken down in a matter of seconds. You don't think these experience grownups raked him over the coals and then got to this conclusion? Fair enough.

[Jonna Spilbore]

But you know what they all have in common? They all want to protect their own hides at all costs and protect their wrongdoing from their parents. And so it's very difficult sometimes to really get to the truth. I would simply say if I were prosecuting this case and I would have brought it, I would say look at this face. This is not the face that got a bear Hug.

[Mark Igar]

Tripped.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oops. Fell. It just doesn't support those findings. Well, I'm glad.

[Mark Igar]

I'm glad you're not prosecuting this. I really am so grateful that you are where you are because some innocent person would get wrapped up in this.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, Jonah, to your point, real quick on the steps. Okay, so the witnesses. I'm looking at what they're saying. The witnesses have said. They're saying that he, according to the witnesses, as he was going down, his left foot slipped off this six inch landing. Okay. As shown in the picture I think we've got there. Right. And his knees hit the landing. And witnesses described it as a catapult action. As his knees hit, his upper body went forward extremely hard. And the first thing that hit was the side of his face and the front of his face. And then he went into some kind of a seizure. And I'm telling you, I have unfortunately seen someone fall on concrete steps and it's.

[Mark Igar]

And catapult from it happens. Jona.

[Phil Holloway]

I don't know if this person catapulted, but all I know is what the. The gory injury that I saw as this person was being taken off by first responders, damn near unconscious, if not, I mean, I thought she was dead. I mean. And so, yeah, just concrete steps can. Can really, really cause serious injury. If I hadn't seen that with my own eyes in my lifetime and not too long ago, as it were, I might be as skeptical as you, but I. Given my own life experience, and by the way, jurors will bring their life experiences into the jury room, into the. Into the courtroom as well. Yeah. And so, I mean, to me, what the prosecutors are saying, this has the ring of truth to it. It just does. If there's some evidence to the contrary, I could change my mind. But as it stands, I don't see any evidence. Assuming the prosecutors are telling us the truth, I don't see that there's any evidence to support a criminal prosecution. I just don't.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Assuming they're telling us the truth. Just quick sidebar. Remind me to show you guys the scar on my knee when we meet for the Emmy Awards later on in 2026 that I have from 20 years ago from falling on concrete and I did not catapult and smash my face and die.

[Phil Holloway]

We're glad of that. Thank God.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Remind me to show you it's still there.

[Mark Igar]

Inclusive evidence proving they're lying. I get it. I get it. Yeah.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Next up, and this is really scary because we are in Halloween season and so we are going to be talking about a woman who died died after riding Disneyland's Haunted Mansion attraction. We're going to bring you the latest on that. And by the way, our devoted listeners and viewers, if you have any questions or comments for us, you can email mktruecrimevilmaycaremedia.com we love to hear from you. And we'll be right back.

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[Jonna Spilbore]

So two major theme parks saw customers die recently after partaking in rides. We start with Disneyland and the Haunted Mansion attraction because why people are flocking there right now it's October. It's Halloween season. Everybody loves a good scare. But unfortunately, unfortunately, one visitor, and I want to say she was in her 60s. On October 6th at Disneyland in California, she was on the Haunted Mansion ride and apparently suffered a heart attack. The paramedics tried cpr. They could not revive her. Unfortunately, she has passed away. And one of the questions that I want to start with is, you know, this isn't the first time that somebody has lost their life at a. At a theme park. But this case is a bit different to me, you guys, and we're going to talk about a couple others. This is a bit different because this is not a case of where a ride falls off the rails and somebody, you know, falls to the ground 25ft. This is really kind of just an innocent little easy ride where you intentionally get scared. You're on the ride to get scared, and if you have a heart attack, you suffer a heart attack on something like that. Whose responsibility is it? Do you have a case against the theme park? Is it your own fault? Do you waive those rights when you buy the ticket? Who wants to go first?

[Phil Holloway]

I'll take it. So the. Yeah, you waive those kind of. You wave those kind of things when you. When you buy the ticket. But let's talk about this ride. This ride is the most tame ride that anybody could think of. There's. It, you know, it's very, very low speed. It's supposed to be like a Haunted mansion, but. But it's not even that it's funny. It's not even scary. Right. And so the idea that this ride would cause a heart attack in someone who. Perhaps she was predisposed to having a heart attack. Maybe she had an underlying heart condition. Maybe she knew about it, maybe she didn't. But I think it would be extremely difficult to prove that this ride is the cause of her heart attack. That's what Willie would have to prove to have any kind of claim. So not only do I think she waived any claims by buying the ticket, if you read the fine print, it's there, believe me. And secondly, even if she hadn't waived those claims, I think that, you know, you kind of voluntarily assume the known risks when you get on these theme park rides. That being said, this one wasn't all that risky. Okay? And so you're just not going to be able to prove that the heart attack, which unfortunately was fatal, was caused by the ride or anyone's negligence in operating or designing that ride. I don't think she's got A case. But I'm sure one of you guys might.

[Mark Igar]

No, I do not disagree with you at all, Phil. You nailed the issues, assumption of the risk. Listen, I've been going to Disney World here in Florida since I'm a little boy, and I don't remember a lot of things, but I do remember those really scary signs where you can go on It's a Small World and die. I mean, they warn you even on the most, you know, simple and innocuous of rides. Certainly on something like that, the signs out there, you make a decision, a conscious, knowing, voluntary decision of whether you want to go on that ride. And, yeah, it's going to make your heart race a little bit. That's what we like about those rides. And you take that chance. And if you die, that's sad. But you can't go sue Mickey Mouse.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Well, it's been done before. People have suffered similar injuries and sued before. There was a case back in 2009 where a teenage girl had a heart attack. Now, here's the thing about this case on a similar ride that wasn't. What was this one called? It was a terror ride. But she did ride it. What was it? The Mountain of Terror.

[Mark Igar]

Tower of Terror.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Thank you. But she rode it like, I don't know, 4,000 times. She wrote it a lot. And then on the last ride, she suffered a stroke. And this family sued as well, and that case was dismissed. But sometimes, you guys, cases are dismissed because they settle confidentially, you know, especially. We're going back over a dozen years. So that probably that's my guess of.

[Phil Holloway]

What would have happened if that ride was very different. It was described as like a hotel elevator that zooms up, then plunges down over and over and over again. And look, I just think common sense, sense tells you that the human body is not designed to be, you know, taken and shaken like that. And it just to think that you might have some kind of internal injury from doing that repetitive action. It's an extreme action, too, by the way, over and over and over again. That falls also, I think, into this thing where you kind of voluntarily assume the known risk. And not only do you do that, you voluntarily assume that risk risk over and over and over again as well. And yeah, maybe there was a confidential settlement, but I bet it wasn't a big one. Sometimes these things settle as what we call nuisance value settlements just to make it go away, because it. Maybe it costs more to litigate the case, paying attorneys and other types of costs associated with litigation than it would to Just, you know, give them $50,000 and tell them to go away. But, you know, this, this whole thing about the Haunted Mansion, it's not even close to being equivalent to that terror ride. So, you know, these. It takes a lot, I think, to establish clear liability by theme parks. And if you notice, they don't really take these things to trial that often because if they have liability, they're going to do a confidential settlement because they don't want anybody else to see the blueprint.

[Jonna Spilbore]

But Phil, you know what? There is a case that's going to. I guarantee you there's a case that's going to. To, well, might not go to trial, but it's going to be brought. Similarly, another recent case, but this is a little bit different. Kevin Zavala, Universal Studios Roller Coaster Death now, we have a guy here who's being represented, the family is being represented by Ben Crump because he rode the Stardust Racers coaster and he happened he had actually a preexisting condition, atrophy of the spinal cord. But that did not stop him from getting on this ride. Unfortunately, he did not get off alive. Now, this one is an actual physical ride. And I do just have to say Ben Crump should have the body of an Adonis from all the ambulances that he chases. But before we discuss. Let's talk about, let's talk about that. Let's, let's roll. Side two.

[Phil Holloway]

The president of Universal Epic put out.

[Mark Igar]

Some statement to her team members after the tragedy. And in large part she says, safety is and always will be at the forefront of everything we do.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, Universal.

[Mark Igar]

These words ring hollow in light of you reopening the Starduster coaster this weekend.

[Phil Holloway]

Without giving Kevin's families any answers. And it has Kevin family asking the questions.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Are they putting profit over people?

[Phil Holloway]

People, Mark?

[Mark Igar]

No, they're not.

[Jonna Spilbore]

You're in Florida. You're in Florida. Yeah.

[Mark Igar]

I'm not responsible for him. Listen, saying it passionately and because you have a death doesn't mean that anybody's responsible. How many millions of people have been on that coaster before and after? And quite frankly, if I'm the next one to go on that coaster, don't you shut it down for me. Because he has some pre existing condition and chose to go on the ride. It's sad. I'm sorry they lost their loved one. I have family members. I don't want to lose my family members. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a payday for you. And that's exactly what this looks like.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I'm really concerned that a person with spinal cord atrophy is allowed to get on a ride, keeps in a wheelchair. Roller coasters are not. I just don't think you should be allowed to get on one. And you should even waive your rights and get on one.

[Mark Igar]

That's his choice.

[Phil Holloway]

You shouldn't try to get on there. He was, he was using a wheelchair. Okay. This young man who unfortunately lost his life, but he was, he was in a wheelchair. And as you mentioned, he had spinal cord atrophy. But let me just ask a question. Maybe it's a rhetorical question and I want to hear what you two have to say, but I also want to challenge our audience. Whether you're listening on podcast or watching on video in the comments, if you can, can answer this question for me. Okay. Do these types of press conferences where, you know, you. You wave around statements and you make big grandiose speeches and you talk about how sad it is that somebody's died and you invite all the local media and you give in passion speeches. Do these press conferences make a difference? Do these press conferences make you more likely to side with the plaintiff if you're on the jury? What purpose does this type of grandstanding actually serve? And is it. Does it make sense? Because to me, it doesn't make sense. I don't think I've ever done a press conference related to a case. I walked out of courthouses and meetings with the cops where the media was there and they wanted to ask me some questions. Fine. But I've never staged a press conference like this. And I don't see what the value is in it. And it just really is a head scratcher to me.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Can you.

[Phil Holloway]

Someone can help me out?

[Mark Igar]

Yeah, you go ahead, John. We select you go ahead.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Ok, here's. Here's why. Here's why, Phil. Because that is free advertisement. Because what he is saying with the oh my God, and he's dead and how dare you let other people ride the rides. Is anybody who's ever stubbed their freaking toe at Universal, Disneyland, Disney World, whatever, is gonna be like, ah, let me call Ben Crump. Let me bring the ambulance to him so he doesn't have to chase mine. That's why they do it. That him. And he's not alone.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, does he, does he actually file lawsuits on these things? Does he litigate these cases? And does he.

[Mark Igar]

I think he does the check.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Whatever it takes to get the check. You might not have to file a lawsuit.

[Mark Igar]

I don't believe there's a couple of letters I don't believe it's the case here. But there are matters that he and other lawyers like him take up where there are dangerous situations that are going ignored by corporations. And by putting it out there, it does have a value. I don't believe this is that case. I believe this looks like a money grab when you can't identify what they did wrong. And you're just saying, well, they're starting back the ride and they don't care about lives.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

What does that mean?

[Mark Igar]

No, your client assumed a risk. And I disagree with Phil. I think that people in wheelchairs, if they want to go on a ride and they know that it's a risk, let them do it. I'd be the one championing their effort. You want to go? There have been thousands of people this year in wheelchairs who went on that ride and did just fine. So I don't know that you deprive people of their opportunity to wave their rights and go on a ride and assume responsibility for what happened.

[Phil Holloway]

Every roller coaster I've been on says, if you've got back problems, don't get on this ride. Right. Every single one I've been on.

[Mark Igar]

And you saw it.

[Jonna Spilbore]

And you shouldn't need to be told that. I have an idea, though. I have a new niche, niche, niche for us. Ready? Here's what we're gonna do.

[Mark Igar]

Tell us.

[Jonna Spilbore]

We're gonna. We're gonna stand outside of Disneyland, Universal, whatever, and we're gonna offer will packages, last Will and testament packages. So when you buy your ticket for the rockets, we'll give you a quick flat feet. Have fun.

[Mark Igar]

That is great.

[Phil Holloway]

All right.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I like it. All right. But we got. Okay, so we are going to switch gears to something less tragic. And I just love so much, but a woman flips out at the airport and earns the title first class. Karen, do not go away. You don't want to miss this.

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[Jonna Spilbore]

All right, we're back and we are going to get to our closing argument and your mail. But first we have to tell you about first class. Karen. Okay, here's the scene. I'll set it for you. 38 year old blonde, her name is Laura Nash. She's carrying her Chanel purse. She's wearing her, I don't know, Prada shoes with, with her Louis Vuitton fanny pack. She somehow manages to muscle her way onto a flight where apparently she didn't belong. Of course she sits in first class because that's where you sit when you carry a Chanel, which is probably fake, but okay. She gets on the plane where she is immediately approached by marshals to get the hell off. Let's look what happened next, you guys. Let's roll. Sides three.

[Mark Igar]

Hi, miss.

[Phil Holloway]

Can you come off the plane with me?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Well, if you can explain to me.

[Phil Holloway]

The reason why, I'll explain it out there. Miss. This is what's going to happen. Everybody's going to get off the airplane and then we're going to have to take you against your will. And we don't want to do that because you're going to upset all these other passengers.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Now here's the thing is I'm not really worried about the other passengers.

[Mark Igar]

Okay?

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[Jonna Spilbore]

You take my bag. That is no, ma'.

[Phil Holloway]

Am. You're refusing to. You're refusing to come.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I'M not leaving here without my bag.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, grab your bag, and we'll take the. We'll take.

[Jonna Spilbore]

You can do that?

[Mark Igar]

You can do it because that's your bag.

[Phil Holloway]

That's what you guys are paid for.

[Jonna Spilbore]

It's not.

[Phil Holloway]

Okay.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Does this make you guys get off? Like, what the. Are you kidding me? I need you to bring me somewhere else than where you bring everyone else, because I do not belong where it is that you think that I belong, period. If you do not bring me there, I will sue the. Out of you and your department, Period. Thank you. I want to be comfortable. Okay, well, I'm not worried about my rights. I'm worried about. Oh, my bag of guys. This is gold. This is gold.

[Mark Igar]

Makes you feel better about yourself, huh?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, my God.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, as an ex cop, I can tell you these officers had a lot more patience than we on my shift would have had. I. I cannot see that look. Demanding to go to a different jail than where everybody else goes, because she's. She's not. She doesn't deserve that. Well, I think you do deserve that. When. When you're drunk on a plane, disrupting the. The. The air travel of the traveling public, and you're disrupting flight crews, and you're. You're violating federal and local laws, and you're hammered off your ass, by the way. Yeah, you do deserve to go to jail. Maybe not for a long time, but you got to get booked in, you got to sober up, you got to post bond the next day, just like everybody else who. Who gets drunk and goes out and does something stupid and winds up in jail. You can't be treated differently because you feel like you are different. But I will. I do need to just underscore that. That I think these officers did a very good job. They were way, way more patient than I would have probably been had I been in their shoes. But look, policing is very different these days. I'm going to talk more about that when we get to our closings. But. But these officers showed a great bit of restraint, and I applaud them for that. But this woman is a. Well, just a piece of work.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Some of the fellow passengers.

[Mark Igar]

I agree with you. I like. I like how they handled her. I do. I think that this entitled piece of work will show up to court and say, I wasn't drunk. My speech wasn't slurred. I was merely speaking in cursive. In all seriousness, no, she does seriously need to reevaluate her relationship with alcohol.

[Phil Holloway]

Well, yes, and probably benzos, too, if.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I Had to guess this will motivate her. But I have to ask you before we do move on to our mailbag of this video. Between this video and the I'm an ag video. Do you remember that from a few weeks back? Which one is more entertaining?

[Phil Holloway]

Ag.

[Mark Igar]

This one's sad. This one's just sad.

[Jonna Spilbore]

This one, I could. I could watch this one on.

[Phil Holloway]

On a loop.

[Sponsor/Advertiser Voice]

Sorry.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Sorry. It's just me. All right, so we will get to our mailbag, which is from if you were named Becky. And here's what Becky had to say. She is completely captivated by the Adelson case and I appreciate all of your commentary. Thank you, Becky. I have a few questions about Wendy Adelson. Remember now, Wendy's the one who hasn't been charged, but she was the wife of the victim here. Is she being watched by authorities to make sure she doesn't pull Adonna? How does this work legally? Thank you for your insight. I love that question mark.

[Mark Igar]

What do you think I'm giving a lawyer answer? It depends. It depends if they have sufficient evidence and they believe at any moment, it's just a question of are they going to be arresting her, then they need to follow her and make sure she doesn't take off. If they don't have it, which is probably my guess. If they don't have it, that's why they haven't arrested her, then I don't think they're going to use those precious law enforcement resources, just follow her around all day and all night.

[Phil Holloway]

Yeah, she's probably not. They probably don't have a tail on her like you would expect from the movies or tv. But I guarantee you they flagged her passport. They are probably watching her in other ways. In this day and age, it's not hard to know where someone is unless they travel around in what we call a Faraday cage, where all these signals are blocked. So I think they know where she is. I think that more or less they're keeping an eye on. On her. But like Mark said, they're not physically. I wouldn't imagine they're not physically watching her every move. I think she lives in another state now. Even so, no.

[Mark Igar]

No banana in the tailpipe. It's not.

[Phil Holloway]

They're talking about wake. Sure, she doesn't pull a Donna, and by that I. I assume that Becky's asking, you know, trying to get on a flight to go to Vietnam or somewhere with no extradition treaty. But yeah, I think that they are keeping an eye on her, but maybe not quite like physically so every second, I would agree.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Good answers, you guys. And thank you again, Becky, for that fabulous question. Now for the moment you've all been waiting for. It's time for our closing arguments. We drew straws to see who would go first. And that today is Mark Igar. Okay, take it away.

[Mark Igar]

I want to talk about courage. There's a special kind of courage that often goes unnoticed. It's the courage of police officers and prosecutors who choose not to file charges after a tragedy. In today's world, there's immense pressure from the media and the public to find someone to blame whenever something heartbreaking happens. But sometimes, as painful as it is to accept, except a tragedy is simply that, a tragedy, not a crime. It takes integrity and strength to stand before the cameras and say no charges will be filed. That decision is not easy. It can invite criticism, controversy, and even political fallout. Yet these professionals choose truth. Truth over convenience, justice over popularity. To those in law enforcement and prosecution who make that hard call, who refuse to sacrifice fairness for optics, you deserve our respect and gratitude. You remind us that justice isn't about appeasing outrage. It's about doing what's right, even when it's hard.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Thank you, Mark. You must have been pulled over recently by a cop who didn't give you a ticket. I love it. Okay, Phil. No, that was great.

[Phil Holloway]

So mine is also about public safety, but my rant this week is we've got to do better when we hire local and even federal law enforcement. We've got to do better at hiring individuals who work in the criminal justice system. And what caused me to have this rant today, as reported by WSB TV in Atlanta, where I am, there are two former corrections officers at the Clayton County Jail. Now, Clayton county is just south of Atlanta. These people are now inmates at the facility where they once worked. They're accused of smuggling contraband. Ashley Lewis Allen and Keyshawn Branch were arrested in separate incidents on October 2 following an investigation by the Clayton County Sheriff's Office. Now, in Georgia sheriff's offices are the eight entities that operate the local jails. It's a matter of the state constitution. Lewis Allen admitted to smuggling contraband due to financial hardship, while Branch, who was a K9 handler, was implicated after suspicious movements were observed on security cameras. Quote, branch was a K9 officer with special training and responsibilities, said Captain Jason Bennett. And employees being watched. There's no blue wall of safety here. In other words, he's saying that no matter what uniform you wear or whether it's inmate or officer, they're going to hold you accountable. And which I think is good. There is a new sheriff in town, literally in Clayton county that's doing their best to try to make some reforms. We've had big problems with that county. But, you know, so it's one thing to catch these individuals because let's, but let's be clear. There is no want of people who are in local jails who will do what they can, whatever they have to do to get their hands on weed, to get their hands on these gummies, or in this case, I think there was methamphetamine involved. And so we've got to do better when we hire and train these individuals who are going to work as basically the sheepdogs guarding these folks at the local jail. And I really don't know how you can train someone, you know, to not provide THC gummies to inmates. So I think really this is more of a hiring thing. We've got to, we've got to do better background checks. We got to pay them more so you get better applicants. But we've got to, we've got to weed out the bad apples a little bit better or maybe a lot better when it comes to hiring and staffing our law enforcement agencies. So that is my rant. But I can't stop this rant without saying, happy birthday to our producer Natasha. Happy birthday and thank you for all that you do to help us look and sound as good as we possibly can.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I, I ditto that. So I will race through my rant and then we, we can blow out some invisible birthday candles for our fabulous producer Natasha. So last week, we learned the fate of Nicholas Rosko. Oh, I'm sorry, you don't know who Nicholas Roski is. That's probably because Nicholas Roski doesn't know who Nicholas Roski is. In 2022, Rosky was a dude with politically violent proclivities on a mission to murder a Supreme Court justice. In furtherance thereof, he went on a shopping spree, procuring pepper spray, zip ties, burglary tools, and a gun before flying all the way from California to Washington D.C. with a 1 way ticket, mind you. Then, with the ease of catching an Uber to your favorite restaurant, he hailed a cab to Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's home. Hell bent on blowing his brains out. Through the grace of God and armed security guards, Rosky got cold feet. Pooh, poohed the plan, and ultimately called 911 on himself. At sentencing, he was facing 30 years behind bars, a punishment that indeed fit the crime as if the case could not get any more bizarre, the judge handed down a slap on the wrist sentence not to Nicholas Roski, the man who committed the unthinkable crime, but to Sophie Roski, the woman Nicholas has since become. This Biden appointee put Rosky on an eight year prison plan, citing not only his alleged gender dysphoria as a mitigating factor, but also taking aim at President Trump's prison policy that would require Rosky to be housed with other biological males. Judge Deborah Boardman expressed deep concern that poor Nicholas slash Sophie Rosky might not receive adequate access to what exactly? Makeup tutorials? Maxi pads, Scented candles while serving his time for attempted assassination, and therefore, the shorter the stint, the better. I have a few things to say. First, to Judge Boardman. You have flipped a judicial bird squarely in the face of Justice Kavanaugh and in so doing, extended an open invitation for other Trump deranged nutjobs to follow suit. Shame on you. We can only hope the DOJ's promised appeal fixes your blatant abuse of discretion. Moving on to the geniuses at the tsa, who apparently were fresh out of red flags the day Rosky rolled up. I can only say this. The next time someone books a one way ticket to our nation's capital and seems a little off, do the country a favor and ask some freaking questions, why don't you? I have been divested of wine bottles, blunt tweezers, and even a curling iron or two in my travels, but this guy packs an entire do it yourself murder kit and nobody says shit. I mean, come on. Nicholas Roski came this close to single handedly changing the legal landscape of our entire nation. To give him even a modest pass for a murder plot because his mommy didn't pay attention to whether he preferred boxer briefs or bikini underwear is a bridge too far. Orange may be the new black, but gender dysphoria ought not be the new get out of jail free card. An identity crisis may be a legit excuse for some things, but murder isn't one of them. With that, thank you so much to my fellow contributors, Mark Eiglosch. Excuse me, Mark Eiglharsch and Phil Holloway. And thank you, Natasha, our fabulous producer, for turning another year older. You certainly don't look it. Have a very happy birthday. And to all of you, thank you for joining us today at MK True Crime. Please remember to send us your story, suggestions, questions and comments@mk true crimevilmaycare media.com have a wonderful weekend.

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