OnlyFans Model Takes Plea, Teacher Arrested Over Snapchat Message, and Kevin Trudeau on Embracing Prison

Summary

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MK True Crime – Positively Legal

"OnlyFans Model Takes Plea, Teacher Arrested Over Snapchat Message, and Kevin Trudeau on Embracing Prison"

Hosts: Mark Eiglarsch & Jonna Spilbore
Date: May 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Positively Legal—part of Megyn Kelly’s "MK True Crime" podcast network—dives into three distinct true crime/legal stories:

1. A notorious OnlyFans model who took a plea deal after a client’s deadly fetish encounter.
2. The criminal case of a teacher arrested over an inappropriate Snapchat message.
3. An in-depth interview with Kevin Trudeau, the once-famous infomercial mogul, about his rise, government clashes, prison time for contempt, and radical acceptance philosophies.

The tone alternates between witty banter, legal dissection, and personal reflection, making the podcast insightful and engaging for listeners interested in both legal nuance and dramatic, stranger-than-fiction stories.

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Segment 1: Legal Baggage & Burnout in Criminal Defense

[00:55 – 06:21]

Key Points:

• Hosts' Introductions: Mark and Jonna open with playful banter about their backgrounds as criminal defense attorneys, including daily workplace frustrations.
• Lawyers' Burnout: Jonna vents about a client’s parent impersonating them in legal correspondence, complicating casework.
  • Quote:
    "I have a client ... who has a parent ... who routinely emails the office pretending to be the client." — Jonna [03:39]
• Mark's Case Prep: Mark shares the pressure of prepping for a high-stakes deposition in the Antonio Brown case and a "stand your ground" hearing.
  • Quote:
    "Nobody says, here's money, Mark, come in second place ... They want a win and it's draining." — Mark [05:10]

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Segment 2: Fetish Turned Fatal—The OnlyFans Saran Wrap Manslaughter

[06:21 – 13:29]

Background:

• Case Recap: The hosts discuss the case of OnlyFans model Michaela Reilers-Dam, who pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter after a fetish session—at the suggestion and for payment by her client, Michael Dale—ended in death.

Key Discussion Points:

• Fetish Details: The acts requested included plastic-wrapping Dale's head, gluing eyes shut with Gorilla Glue, and other extreme behaviors for $11,000.
  • Quote:
    "He was asking her to buy boots and glue them on his feet ... Pour pools of gorilla glue into his eyes to glue them shut so that she was the last girl that he would ever see." — Mark [09:34]
• Culpability & Consent: Mark and Jonna debate whether consent is a legal defense, and if the plea deal was too lenient.
  • Quote:
    "She wrapped plastic wrap around this guy's head for $11,000 bucks and choked him to death ... how involuntary is it?" — Jonna [11:23]
• Victim’s “Safe Word” Fails: Texts reveal the victim begged her to stop mid-act, offering more money to end the session.
  • Quote:
    "When you're begging for your life, 'I'll pay you not to do what I told you to do, so I live'..." — Jonna [12:34]
• Lesson: Jonna offers the somewhat tongue-in-cheek takeaway: “Don't bring Saran Wrap on a date. Leave the glue at home.” [13:20]

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Segment 3: Teacher’s Snapchat “Joke” Triggers Criminal Charges

[14:29 – 21:36]

Case Recap:

• Incident: A 22-year-old teacher in Washington is arrested after posting a Snapchat vent:
  "I was halfway through my lesson plan and one of my students pressed the power button on my computer ... Chat. Do I shoot the child or just the whole school?" [17:53]
• Police Investigation: Audio of her police interview reveals hedging and denial before the message is revealed.
  • Quote:
    "Do you think she knows what she did wrong and she's denying it?" — Mark [15:53] "At a minimum, dumb, right? ... Can we just start off where we both agree?" — Mark [18:05]
• Is It Criminal?
  • Jonna: Firm that it should be investigated and arrest is appropriate.
  • Mark: Pushes for discretion, arguing teachers shouldn’t automatically lose their career over a “stupid joke” after intent is clarified.
  • Quote:
    "Can't they use their discretion and not place her under arrest, which, which terminates her dream of ever being a teacher ... did she need to be arrested?" — Mark [20:44]
• Public Reaction: Mark suggests leaving it to the audience (and school parents) to weigh in.

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Segment 4: Legal TV in Real Life—A “Better Call Saul” Courtroom Tactic

[21:46 – 24:25]

Overview:

• The hosts review a clip from Better Call Saul involving a fake courtroom identification, and debate its plausibility in real courts.
  • Quote: "Would it happen in courtrooms I'm in? ... Probably wouldn’t happen. Would I try it? ... I might." — Jonna [23:27]
• Mark argues such trickery could technically happen in his South Florida practice, but would likely anger judges.
  • Quote:
    "I'm sure there’s some rule that precludes it. ... Some judge might be really pissed at that." — Mark [24:05]

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Segment 5: Kevin Trudeau—Rags, Riches, & the Price of Defiance

[26:00 – 51:45]

Who is Kevin Trudeau?

• Background: 1990s TV infomercial king, self-help author (over 50 million copies sold), "king of infomercials."
• After exposing government and pharma in his books and infomercials, Trudeau was fierce adversary of the FTC and ultimately landed 10 years in federal prison for contempt of court.

Major Interview Highlights:

• Humble Beginnings & Early Success:

  • Struggled with learning disability, poor family, credits a mentor and self-education for “manifesting” success.
  • First product: Mega Memory home study course ("sold $450 million worth").

• Marketing Skill Set:

  • Learned from "Lazy Man's Way to a Fortune," wrote ads because he "couldn’t speak."
  • Quote:
    "Writing ad copy and writing ads was really something that I could do because I was behind the scenes." — Trudeau [29:30]

• (Addressing FTC & Fraud Allegations):

  • Trudeau insists government targeted him because “they didn’t like people who have influence” and because he exposed uncomfortable truths about Big Pharma and government.
  • Quote:
    "I was the first guy to say, hey, the pharmaceutical companies are publicly traded companies. Their goal is to keep you sick." — Trudeau [32:17]
  • He claims almost all his “controversial” health advice from decades ago is now accepted wisdom.
  • Quote:
    "So there really wasn't anything in there that I said [that was untrue] ... and the results that people got were pretty amazing." — Trudeau [33:46]

• Government Takedown:

  • Describes the process as a political witch hunt after refusing demands from politicians/lobbyists to “pay up or shut up.”
  • Defended “Mega Memory” in court and claims to have provided documentation for all claims yet was bankrupted and eventually prosecuted for “contempt,” not fraud.
  • Quote:
    "It's a First Amendment protected book ... They couldn't get me for fraud ... They charged me with contempt of court." — Trudeau [39:20]
  • Felt the trial was unfair—unable to use First Amendment as a defense and believes his conviction was predetermined.
  • Quote:
    "The trial was categorically a joke because there was no defense. There was nothing I could say." — Trudeau [42:40]

• Prison Philosophy — Embracing the Experience:

  • Trudeau reframes his nearly 9-year sentence as a blessing, citing Viktor Frankl and emphasizing “radical acceptance.”
  • Quote:
    "Nothing happens to you. The universe doesn't do anything to you. It does things for you. ... At the end of the day, you have to take responsibility for everything happens in your life, and it's nobody's fault except me." — Trudeau [44:58]
  • Found value in learning, creating, writing (“Your Wish is Your Command” and other works), and interacting with a wide range of people.
  • “For me, it was an exciting adventure. People have a hard time grasping that ... The government took everything away from me. ... They didn't take away my ability to create.” — [45:47]

• Takeaways on Radical Acceptance:

  • “What you resist, persists.”
  • Advocates for being "willing and obedient" (following intuition with acceptance of consequences).
  • Quote:
    "You have to accept the things you can't change, and then life’s a lot easier. We're always trying to change something." — Trudeau [50:35]
  • Mark summarizes: “Acceptance is the answer to all of my problems today.” [50:26]

• Where to Find More:
  Trudeau plugs KevinTrudeau.com for his books and latest projects [51:29].

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Segment 6: Hosts "Go Off the Record"—Rants & Gratefuls

[52:51 – 60:16]

Off the Record Rant (Jonna):

• Legal Commentary: Blasts the defense of Cole Allen, accused of ambushing the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, for trying to disqualify the prosecution over “bullshit” claims.
  • Quote:
    “This motion should fail. Why? Because it’s bullshit ... so much of a stretch, it should come with its own yoga mat.” — Jonna [53:48]

Off the Record Rant (Mark):

• Prosecutorial Ethics: Reflects on how some prosecutors have strayed from professionalism and pursuit of truth, but ends with gratitude for those who get it right.
  • Quote:
    "Too many prosecutors I encounter today don't seem to embrace the same principles ... But ... I want to express gratitude to the many good prosecutors still out there." — Mark [56:19]

Gratefuls:

• Mark: Thankful for ethical prosecutors, his family, and his dogs (named Peace and Quiet). [58:46]
• Jonna: Grateful for her color-coordinated wardrobe matching Mark’s office wall, and the compliment. [59:18]

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Notable Quotes & Time Stamps

• On Legal Burnout:
  “We fight for a living, Jonna. It's exhausting.” — Mark [05:08]
• On Criminal Liability in Fetishes:
  “She wrapped plastic wrap around this guy's head for $11,000 bucks and choked him to death ... how involuntary is it?” — Jonna [11:23]
• On Teacher’s Snapchat Message:
  “At a minimum, dumb, right?” — Mark [18:05]
• On Radical Acceptance:
  “Nothing happens to you. The universe doesn’t do anything to you. It does things for you.” — Trudeau [44:58]
• On Prison as Transformation:
  “For me, it was an exciting adventure. People have a hard time grasping that ... They didn't take away my ability to create.” — Trudeau [45:47]
• Hosts on Gratitude:
  “I am so grateful for prosecutors who are just wonderful … I'm grateful for my beautiful wife of 25 years. … And I'm grateful for my two beautiful white golden doodles. Peace and Quiet. Those are actually their names.” — Mark [58:46]

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Important Timestamps

• [06:21] – OnlyFans asphyxiation case
• [09:34] – Details of client’s fetish requests
• [13:20] – “Don’t bring Saran Wrap on a date” (Jonna’s lesson)
• [14:29] – Teacher’s Snapchat investigation & arrest
• [17:53] – Reading of incriminating Snapchat post
• [21:46] – Better Call Saul clip/courtroom misidentification tactic
• [26:00] – Interview with Kevin Trudeau begins
• [39:20] – How "contempt of court" charge unfolded
• [44:58] – Trudeau’s philosophy on radical acceptance
• [51:29] – Where to find Kevin Trudeau
• [53:48] – Jonna’s rant on Cole Allen defense motion
• [56:19] – Mark’s rant on prosecutorial ethics
• [58:46] – “Gratefuls” segment

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Final Takeaway

This episode of Positively Legal seamlessly blends true crime, legal commentary, cultural moments, and deeply personal stories—highlighting how justice, ethics, and personal growth interplay in unexpected ways. From outlandish criminal cases to the survivor’s mindset of one of America’s most polarizing self-help moguls, the conversation is sharp, human, and often darkly hilarious.

Transcript

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[Mark Eiglarsch]

Hello, everyone and welcome to Positively Legal. I'm Mark Eiglarch, a veteran defense attorney, former prosecutor, adjunct law professor. I know Jonna wants me to speed this up, so I won't mention that I'm an avid pickleball player also and my lovely co host, her name is Jonna Spilbore.

[Jonna Spilbore]

And I wore your wall today, Mark. I'm also criminal defense attorney and founder of Jonas Spielber Law. Might I add Midnight Shopper and Cat Whisperer to my many.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

You may. You may do that. Listen, I'm very excited about today's show, John, and we got some really cool stories to talk about and someone great to interview on Positively Legal. Today we're going to talk about the case of an only fans creator who was charged with the death of one of her clients. Who, like you, is into fetish. Yes. No. No. Okay. And we'll also examine the story of a teacher who was arrested for merely posting something on her Snapchat.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Merely.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Merely.

[Jonna Spilbore]

We'll.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

We'll discuss what exactly she posted. We call that a tease in the industry. What do you have, Jonna?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Well, later in our second segment, we. I'm so excited about this. We have New York Times bestselling author and entrepreneur Kevin Trudeau, who's going to be joining us to share his story, the highs, the lows, and how we can all take control of our health, wealth and freedom.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yes, the famous infomercial guy. I remember three in the morning listening to Some of his pitches. I can't wait to hear about what he's been up to. And Jonna, your favorite part of the show, you get to metaphorically drink. Right. It's happy hour. Let's go, baby. Here we go. Let's drink. Come on, come on. What do you got?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, that's what you. Okay, I got this. Okay. So we both kind of showed up here today. Mark, forgive me, because I know you. You get into your spiritual side and sanctity.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I certainly try.

[Jonna Spilbore]

We both kind of showed up here today a little bit drained, shall we say?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yes. Why?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Well, because we don't sit around wearing makeup waiting for the show all day. We actually work, do we not?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, well, I do both. I do both.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Well, how was your day? Tell us what. Give a little taste to the audience as to what you actually did as a criminal defense attorney.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I. Okay, so I have to complain about something. And I'm going to.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Titled.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not complaining about a client. And even if I wanted to, we really can't. Right, Mark? Because we can't disclose any sort of client confidence or anything. We can complain about cases. Don't get me wrong.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Change the names and just, you know.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yeah.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Keep it real. Go ahead.

[Jonna Spilbore]

This is a little different. I want to know if you've ever experienced it.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

So.

[Jonna Spilbore]

So I have a client.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Who. Who has a parent. The client is an adult. The client is such an adult that the client has kids of her own. But the client has a parent who routinely emails the office pretending to be the client.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Oh, pretending.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Pretending to be the client.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

You lost me at pretending. Of course they always call. They email. And I'm like, listen, you're not the client if he's okay with it. Right. But. But pretending to be.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Pretending to be the client and screwing up everything that we are doing.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

That's a problem.

[Jonna Spilbore]

It is a problem. It is a problem.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I say you take that client to a soccer game, show them what boundaries are. No.

[Jonna Spilbore]

What about. Or a pickleball match. Yeah. So it really. And you know what? I want to say that some days I wake up, right. We come to the office and I feel like so grateful and so happy that I get to do what I do every day. And then there are days when I show up and I'm like, the soul is just being sucked out every opportunity. And today was one of those soul sucking.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I'm with you.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Unnecessary.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Listen, you know when that'll stop? That'll stop when you're In a coma, you're dead. Or you finally become a sociopath. Human beings go through that. It's okay to have those days. I had one of those days. Today I'm challenged constantly. We fight for a living, Jona.

[Jonna Spilbore]

It's exhausting.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Nobody says, here's money, Mark, come in second place. It's okay. They want a win and it's draining. It just is. And then the self imposed stuff, it's too much. Today I've been preparing all day for a deposition that I'm taking. Tomorrow we get those here in Florida where we get to actually bring in the alleged victim in this case. It's the Antonio Brown case. And that victim I will be deposing tomorrow at 10am and I ain't winging. I am prepared. It is have a stand your ground hearing that's set in a couple months. That deposition is going to be key. So I've been preparing for that. It's been a little stressful. What else? Also, I actually have a stand your ground hearing going tomorrow on a teenager. I mentioned it on our last podcast. I'm going to play the video next. Next time. Next, remind me. I will play the actual video. I just want the stand your ground hearing to go down. But I've been preparing all day for it and it's exhausting. It's reading every line of every report and every deposition and carefully crafting your cross examination of the alleged victims. It's exhausting.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Now to me that's fun.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Really?

[Jonna Spilbore]

That is fun. Like that I would have a great day if that's what I were doing today instead of fielding fake emails from a client's father.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Got it, Got it. You know, it's also fun talking about people who are into fetish. Can we talk?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Share. Are you going to share?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

No, no, I'm going to let you share.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Okay, tell us. I'm going to go on record and saying I must be really boring because I don't have any fetishes. This fetish that we're going to be discussing, this case that happened involving a fetish actually makes me viscerally sick to think about. But okay. Yeah, here we go. Only fans. I'm sure, I'm sure you're on there quite a lot, right?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Excuse me.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Credit card.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Excuse me. No, no, no, no. Definitely. Maybe no go.

[Jonna Spilbore]

But people make money off often and I guess million kind of cleanly do it. I don't know. I don't know.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Explain to them what it is. Some people do not know. What? Only fans.

[Jonna Spilbore]

What? I believe only fans. Is to be is a sort of a subscription website where you pay money.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

To watch somebody do something.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

And it can be sexual, but it doesn't have to be. From my understanding, most of the time it is. I mean, but it could be weird stuff.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah.

[Jonna Spilbore]

If somebody has a foot fetish, you can get paid to show your feet.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

And they're making millions.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Covid like that.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Covid launched the career of these people. I have a friend who does just that. He represents Onlyfans.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, I said you have a friend who just does Only fans.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I probably do as well.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Pickleball. Like, where are you when you're on that court? Come on.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

All right, so. So how did this lead to a homicide? How does. How do we get there?

[Jonna Spilbore]

So here's the problem. And some of our viewers might remember we did talk about this case before the plea a while back on MK True Crime. So the defendant's name is Michaela Reilers. Dam. Probably mispronouncing that, even though we just went over it. She had a client. Right. She was an only fans model. She had a client who. Michael Dale, who wanted her to do some pretty sick and kinky things, including wrapping his head in plastic wrap, gluing his eyes shut with gorilla glue.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I mean, who hasn't? I mean, come on.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I mean, right?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

A little judgy. Little judgy on your part. Yeah.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Friday night, you're just trying to, you know, blow off some steam, glue women's shoes onto his feet. So long story short, the part that really did him in is she did this. She wrapped his head, at his request, in plastic wrap. At his request to the point where he. He suffocated to death. Oh, yeah. So. So the police obviously were.

[Kevin Trudeau]

Were called.

[Jonna Spilbore]

They see the bag over this guy's head, duct tape over his mouth, plastic wrap shrouding all of them. And they obviously determined this to be a homicide. Go figure. And she was the main culprit. So what happened here was. And I think part of her defense was he wanted me to do this. So. Yes. What's the problem?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Isn't that a good defense to this?

[Jonna Spilbore]

There were. There were some text. We actually have a sot, I think, that has some text messages between the defendant and the victim. Can we place out one?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

The nature of it was Mr. Dale asking Ms. Riler's dam to do certain things for him. He was asking her to buy boots and glue them on his feet with gorilla glue. He was asking her to buy dildos and glue them in his mouth. He also asked her to Pour pools of gorilla glue into his eyes to glue them shut so that she was the last girl that he would ever see.

[Kevin Trudeau]

And based on.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

On these text messages, were you able to tell whether Mr. Dale was offering

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money in exchange for these acts?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah.

[Jonna Spilbore]

How much?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Yes, I believe he was. They offer some money. I don't remember how much.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Oh, Judge.

[Jonna Spilbore]

$11,000. 11,000.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Judge Jona moved to dismiss the case. He paid her to do this. And happens. Come on, Judge Janna.

[Jonna Spilbore]

No, you gotta be some kind of idiot to basically.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

To make that argument or to do that.

[Jonna Spilbore]

No. To asphyxiate somebody for any amount of money just because they told you to. And the prosecution also agreed because our defendant signed up to do four years in custody in exchange for a guilty plea to involuntary manslaughter.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

That's a reduction of the charge, right? That wasn't what she was originally.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

This is the bargain. This is the plea bargain. Right.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Lowest level of, of manslaughter is typically involuntary. I have issue, like, was it really involuntary? I mean, that's kind of a gift, I think, to this defendant.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

You would have done more to her if you're the prosecutor. Yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

She wrapped plastic wrap around this guy's head for 11,000 bucks and choked him to death. Duct taped it. I mean, how involuntary is it? Like she was doing it?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Sounds voluntary to me. I probably wouldn't have come off voluntary, but.

[Kevin Trudeau]

Okay.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I mean, listen, I don't disagree with you. I just want to know where the line is, right? Can a man, if that's his thing, can he get choked a little bit? Now, I know we're not talking a little bit. We're talking about Saran Wrap. But where is the line, you know, the gorilla glue, he gets an infection. Is that on her? Like, what is her responsibility and what's his?

[Jonna Spilbore]

So let's quickly listen to SA2 because apparently the victim had said, I'm out. Stop. Let's hear it.

[Kevin Trudeau]

I say, can we.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

We stop?

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I'll pay you certain amount more money to stop.

[Kevin Trudeau]

And that's when I realized that it

[Mark Eiglarsch]

wasn't a friend, it was a process

[Kevin Trudeau]

institute or whatever you want to say.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I mean, does stop really mean stop in a situation like that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[Jonna Spilbore]

When you're begging for your life, I'll pay you not to do what I told you to do. So I live, you know. And there's a roommate in the house, by the way.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

No, I'M with you. That's why she pled. I'm throwing out devil's advocate here. You know that there's, there's some of that begging and some of that stuff that goes on that needs to be ignored in some of those role plays.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I know that.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I know. I don't know.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I don't know that.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I don't know that. How would I know that? I'm just saying maybe there would be. I don't know that I would know.

[Kevin Trudeau]

Stop.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Stop.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

No, you don't mean that.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yeah, well, no, let's. We'll stop. Stop with this story. So she's going away. She's going to the clink. For four years. Involuntary, kind of a slap on the wrist.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

So what's the lesson here, John, on Positively Legal? Let's give a lesson to our audience members. What can we learn from this?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Don't bring Saran Wrap on a date.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

What about gorilla glue? So you're okay with the glue?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Leave it at home. No, no, no. Not okay with that either.

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[Mark Eiglarsch]

We got a student teacher who, you know, wants to spend the rest of her life educating our children. So we start off very positively right. A young gal just wanting to change the world. And I'm so happy about that. And she has a Snapchat account. That's not a problem either, right, Johnny? You're okay with that? As they all do. She's a 22 year old teacher. This is a school in Washington. She's 22 years old. That's the age of my daughter. 22 years old. All about the Snapchat. The problem is. And let's. Let's show some video of what happened. The problem is what she put in there. Let's start with one of the sites where the officer has a conversation with her and kind of reveals to her what's going down. She denies things at first. Let's go ahead and play.

[Police Officer]

We got a call about a snap. So did you happen to make one today?

[Student Teacher]

I did, yeah.

[Police Officer]

And what did you say in the snap?

[Student Teacher]

I sent a lot of snaps back and forth. I don't know really what this is about.

[Police Officer]

Okay, how about about school today? Anything about school today?

[Student Teacher]

I mean. I mean, it's a lot about school. I don't know.

[Police Officer]

So I guess the other question then. Who are you sending them on your wall or whatever it's called, or you send it to someone specifically?

[Student Teacher]

I didn't post anything today, if that's what you're. But no.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Can we pause just for one second? John, I'm dying to know something from you. Wait. And I already know the answer. I could tell with you. Do you think she knows what she did wrong and she's denying it? So funny. I know the answer. You're like a book that I've read a million times. You think she's full of it.

[Police Officer]

Really?

[Jonna Spilbore]

But you know it, too.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I don't have it. I don't know it.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Genius.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know. Am I that naive? Am I that naive? Let's keep going. I still am not so sure until he suggests it. You guys can put in the comments what you think up to this point, and then as we go, let us know what you think. All right, go. Keep going.

[Student Teacher]

Send, like, snaps to, like, my roommate and my boyfriend.

[Police Officer]

Okay, how about. Did any of the kids kind of make you mad today?

[Student Teacher]

No.

[Police Officer]

Nothing about your computer or anything like that?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh,

[Student Teacher]

I was. I had a lesson plan and one of the kids turned off. Off my computer on my lesson plan, and I was like, oh, dang. But that was. I never get mad with the kids, ever.

[Police Officer]

What did you snap after that? Did you send out?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Okay, and now she's holding back nothing at all. She knows what she wrote. Yeah.

[Student Teacher]

I mean, I'm so confused.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Okay, she's not very confused. What I want to show you is

[Police Officer]

the snap we received now.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I agree. She knows.

[Jonna Spilbore]

She knew before.

[Police Officer]

That is you, correct?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Maybe she did Snapchat. I snapped. It's Snapchat.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

All right, let's pause this. We're good with this one, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Okay, so what did she post? You guys are ready. You stuck around. You want to see what you posed? I think we have it up there for you to see, but I'm going to read it. Okay? This is important. I was halfway through my lesson plan and one of my students pressed the power button on my computer. Lesson plan is gone. Chat. Do I shoot the child or just the whole school? Yikes, yikes, yikes. Do I shoot the child? Okay, you and I can definitely agree that was, at a minimum, dumb, right? Right. Can we just start off where we both agree? I like when we agree, Jonna.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Okay, how far.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Is it criminal? Is it criminal?

[Jonna Spilbore]

You're asking me? Oh, I'm asking you 1,000%.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Okay, well, let's analyze it. Okay. All right. Doesn't it matter the intent? In other words, if it's 100%, they need to investigate this and all claims like this, 100%. They don't know if somebody's making a joke or not. This day and age. We had a school shooting 15 minutes from my office here. They. There is no question. You got to investigate.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Can't joke about that, Mark.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I don't disagree with you. We're on the same page. Here's my question. So that begins the investigation. Now, once you determine it is a joke, which is exactly what these officers believed after they spoke to her, what should they do? At that point?

[Jonna Spilbore]

The officers believed saying, should I shoot the kid? Or the whole school was just blowing off steam.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Right. Those are the facts. After the investigation, they learn that she's not a threat. She made a stupid joke to a couple of people in her Snapchat group. This is like a private little Snapchat group. The FBI apparently somehow got wind of it. I don't know if they're just, you

[Jonna Spilbore]

know, Snapchats in her.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

There we go. Yeah, you say shoot. That's it.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Right, Right.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

You mean, dang, you're in trouble because.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Let me ask you. Let me. Let me ask you something. So let's suppose that I'm her, right? And I'm sitting there fidgeting in my seat and, wow, I didn't do anything wrong. And finally it dawns on me that if I make it sound like I'm joking, these cops are going to let me go. So I go. What? I would never shoot a child or the whole school.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Wait, those are not the. John, John, John. The facts are, you know, you've watched, you've watched the tape, you see that she made a stupid comment. The cops found that to be. You don't take exception with that. You don't think she was actually going to harm someone, do you? We can't move this thing along unless we get to that point.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I don't know. I don't know the moment. How do I know if in the moment what was going through her head?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

All right, well, then that's a different story. I agree with you. If there's a question as to whether her intent was to do harm or. Okay, you're off to the races. You go to the clink. Do not pass go. In this case, however, to me and law enforcement, it was clear that she wrote something that she greatly regrets.

[Jonna Spilbore]

She pled guilty to something.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

My question to you is. No, case is still pending. No, she was charged with disorderly conduct.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yes.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Which could be charged as a felony or a misdemeanor. I understood it. They charge it as a misdemeanor because it lacked the felony intent. My question to you is, can't they use their discretion and not place her under arrest, which, which terminates her dream of ever being a teacher, which likely was terminated the minute that she got caught for this with the school. They're going to put that on her permanent card. Whatever. Whatever. But did she need to be arrested? That's my question. That's my only question.

[Jonna Spilbore]

All right, I want you to posit that question to a few parents in that of children in that school. And if the parents of children in that school think this immature 22 year old teacher who joked about shooting that child and shooting up the entire school, if they're okay with it, I'm okay with it.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I'm not letting the parents decide. But anyway, we'll let you guys decide. I'd love to read your comments on this one. The final thing we're going to talk about today, right? We, Jonna and I love to watch movies.

[Jonna Spilbore]

One of my favorite shows.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah, go, go ahead. You, you, you set it up. Why are we doing this segment?

[Jonna Spilbore]

No, we're doing this segment because we like to examine Hollywood and then you guys know if any such thing would ever occur. So today we have a better Call Saul clip, which. I freaking loved that show. I wish I just loved that show. You're gonna have to tell us what clip we're gonna be looking at today.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

They got it. It's a better Call Saul clip. They got it. Let's run it and let's Talk about it after. Here we go.

[Kevin Trudeau]

It's him. Your client.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Are you sure that's the person? There's no doubt in your mind? Take your time. I don't need time. That's him. Now, would you be surprised to learn, Mr. Harkness, that the person you just pointed to is not the defendant? Oh.

[Jonna Spilbore]

What?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

My client is in the back of the courtroom. Mr. Sekey, would you please stand up? Objection. The person you ID'd is named Hollis Early. He's a bartender down in Belin. He has a very good alibi for the night in court. Your Honor, objection.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, Mr. Goodman. Really?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

You didn't recognize me?

[Jonna Spilbore]

That, you, Honor. All right, settle. Settle down.

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[Mark Eiglarsch]

Settle. Jona. So entertaining. What does happen in any courtroom that you're in? Why wouldn't you do it? Or would you?

[Jonna Spilbore]

It wouldn't happen. We might have chatted about this off air. Wouldn't happen in the courtrooms that I'm in because I'm in the Hudson Valley. They're small. The judges know your client, the judges know you. Probably wouldn't happen. Would I try it?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Try it.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

You would.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I might.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

So let me set it up. Let me tell you why it's reality. In where I practice in South Florida, it's extremely rare for any of these judges to remember the face of a defendant, particularly because we waive their appearance anyway. So most of them aren't even coming to court. Secondly, most of the time we're zooming. We're zooming anyway, so judges aren't going, let me look in that tiny box at the face of the defendant, assuming they're even there. And none of my clients are there, so it could totally happen. My question is, would we do something like that? I'm sure there's some rule that precludes it. I mean, some judge might be really pissed at that. Right.

[Jonna Spilbore]

And you don't want that. Yeah. So we can't wait. Well, we can only very rarely waive a client's appearance, by the way. So there's a big difference between us and you. But I think if a judge felt duped by an attorney trying to pull that, even if it were successful, that that would be worse than having a witness actually identify.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I agree. I think there's a problem. All right, good discussion. I'm excited for Block B. Let's talk about it.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Oh, my God, I am so excited about this. Okay, when we come back, we are going to be speaking with Kevin Trudeau. If you're saying to yourself, that name sounds familiar, then you were probably alive in the 90s when he was known as one of the biggest infomercial marketing gurus or wrote a ton of books, made a ton of money. And then something bad happened. But he's back, baby. And we're going to be talking to Kevin Trudeau when we come back. Just a couple of minutes.

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[Jonna Spilbore]

Welcome back to Positively Legal. Joining us now is New York Times bestselling author, entrepreneur and host of the Kevin Trudeau Show. Kevin Trudeau, before we officially say hello, I want to bring you down a little trip down memory lane. Take a look.

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[Kevin Trudeau]

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[Mark Eiglarsch]

your interest rates on your credit cards.

[Kevin Trudeau]

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[Jonna Spilbore]

Kevin, that was a nice trip down memory lane for me because I remember you being in my living room all the time every day back in the 90s. And I think a lot of people listening to us will too. And I want to start with pick up your story with that. I mean, you are a best selling author you, you seem to burst onto the scene with these books, promising cures and secrets that they didn't want you to know. And people ate them up for good reason. And you sold millions of copies, over 50 million copies. You made a boatload of money and you were doing great. Let's start with that. How you, how you started, how you burst onto the scene with all of this information that was so helpful to so many consumers.

[Kevin Trudeau]

Well, I really had no, you know, plan in terms of writing books or marketing things like this. I was learning disabled when I was in school. I virtually flunked out of high school. I mean, I graduated, I got a diploma, I was tongue tied and I stuttered. Stuttered. I couldn't communicate with people. My dad was a welder. I didn't come from a wealthy family. I was actually very lucky to meet a mentor when I was very young who was, was a wealthy person in a society of wealthy people. And he taught me a 40 point algorithm on how to manifest. We didn't call it manifesting back then. We called it how to set goals and achieve them, or how to build a fortune or how to create the life you want. So I learned this recipe, if you will, and I was a pretty good student. I actually followed the recipe and started becoming successful. I started working and starting businesses in direct marketing and direct mail. But because of my issues, I had had a terrible memory. When I met a guy who was a memory expert, I took his course and I thought, everyone needs to improve their memory. And that was my first course that I sold on television. Mega memory, how to improve your memory. We sold $450 million worth of memory improvement courses. But it wasn't a plan. It was like, this worked for me. Oh my gosh, let me share it with my friends and family. It worked for them. Oh my gosh. This is something that everyone really needs as well. And that's how that perpetuated.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

How'd you learn about marketing though? Like, okay, you learn, you know, certain things, but to become a marketing expert, how did you learn that?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Yeah, back in the 70s, there was a few books being offered for sale. One was called the Lazy Man's Way to a Fortune by Joe Carbo. And another one was Seven Steps to Freedom, how to escape the American Rat Race by a guy named Ben Shores. Both taught direct mail, and I read those and ate it up by some other guys as well. And I learned how to write ad copy because I couldn't speak. I remember I was tongue tied and stuttered and I was so shy I couldn't even go into a room full of people. I was desperately afraid of rejection. So writing ad copy and writing ads was really something that I could do because I was behind the scenes. And I just gravitated toward that because I wanted to become successful. And back then there wasn't an Internet. So direct mail or running little classified ads in newspapers was really road for somebody who didn't have any money. You know, I'd save up some money from my paper route and shoveling snow so I could actually buy some ads and kind of build my business and pyramid the profits. And that's how I got into marketing. And I just had a knack for it.

[Jonna Spilbore]

You do have a knack for it, because I think one of the reasons why you sold so many books and why you solved so many problems is I love the sort of bad boy. The cures they don't want you to know, the secrets they don't want you to know. And while you don't come out and say it that they right was the government or that they was big pharma. And people were probably looking for alternatives to what they thought was mainstream ways to lose weight, mainstream ways to supplement yourself. And I think that was very attractive to people. And it had to be because you sold so many damn books. But at some point the government came and said, you know, the people love you, but us, not so much. Can you talk a little bit about when you got on their radar? By them, I mean the government or the ftc, whoever else was trying to take you down eventually, and we'll get there. When did that begin?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Yeah, it actually started, if you remember a product called hooked on phonics, 1, 800, ABCDEFG. And the reason Sean Shanahan started that company is the Department of Education decided to take phonics out of the school system really to dumb down the kids. That's kind of the conspiracy theory. But, you know, there's a lot of truth to that. So they took phonics out of the school system and replaced it with the look see method so the kids really would have a hard time reading. So Sean said, I'm going to offer a home study course on phonics. And I was really exposing the Department of Education for taking phonics out of the school system. Well, the government sued Sean Shanahan and bankrupted him. And they sued me as well because we were exposing what was going on in government and they, they didn't like people who have influence. You know, as you mentioned, I was on TV virtually Every day I had more impressions than anybody on television back in the 90s, including Oprah Winfrey. So I was a major influencer and my book sold tens of millions of copies. And even if people didn't read the books, they still watched the shows, which are all live shows. And I was the first guy to basically say, hey, the pharmaceutical companies are publicly traded companies. Their goal is to keep you sick. They want you to buy drugs. They don't want you healthy. Healthy people don't buy their product. There's a conflict of interest. I talked about fluoride in the water, high fructose corn syrup. I talked about ultra processed foods, talcum powder. If you put it on your skin would cause cancer. I was crucified by NBC. They said, that's absolutely a lie. And of course, now they're the ones who are saying that it's absolutely is true. So those were the. That's the reason why the government came after me. The people that purchased the books, loved the books they recommended to others. They were all New York Times bestsellers or number one New York Times bestsellers. And the results that people got were pretty, Pretty amazing.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yeah, absolutely. You are identifying problems that everyday people are having and then you solve them with information that they didn't have access to prior to that. You're not going to sell 50 million copies of any book that isn't solving a problem. You're just not.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I want to ask, though, were any of the claims at all misrepresentations or unsubstantiated like the FTC alleged?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Yeah. Interesting. I just did a podcast in Beverly Hills last week and the gal on the podcast said, let me go to ChatGPT and find out what claims you made. And she was like 28 of them. She said, talcum powder, you were right. High fructose corn syrup, you were right. Fluoride in the water. Still debatable, but leaning toward that. You were right. Trampolines or mini rebounders where you jump up and down on the rebounder. Spectacular exercise. Back then they were crucifying me saying that it was dangerous to jump on a mini trampoline. When I said that it was a good exercise for the body. And there's a list of. She was rattling them off. So there really wasn't anything in there that I said. I said that, listen, people have nutritional deficiencies. They need to basically address those nutritional deficiencies and they're putting toxins in their body. I even quoted Dr. Herbert Ley, who was the past director of the FDA, and he's the one who said that more people die from drugs, pharmaceutical prescribed drugs, than from the diseases they're being used to treat. And he pointed out that nobody died of acne, but people die from taking prescribed acne medication. Nobody dies from wrinkles on their forehead, but people die every year from getting Botox injections, which is botulism. So I was pointing out things, I was pointing out things that nobody dared talk about. I remember when I went on NBC with Matt Lauer, he was the big guy back then, and Katie Couric, he said, listen, you can't talk about the drug companies. They're our biggest advertiser. So just sell a lot of books but leave the drug companies out of the conversation. And I don't remember the first question that Matt asked, but I remember my answer was pretty much like, Matt, that's not the question. The question is why did you just tell me two minutes ago, don't talk about the drug companies because they're your biggest advertiser. That's the reason why I'm here and that's the reason why I bought this book. Because I'm saying things that nobody dared to say cuz there's too much money at stake. And of course, you know, the proverbial crap hit the fan.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yeah, it did. But you had a pretty good run before that happened. Yes. Unless. Was the government crawling up your butt part of me, like immediately after you started publishing these books or did it take a while? What was the thing that sparked their interest and how did they let you know? Like they knocked on your door, they send you a registered letter. What did they do to let you

[Kevin Trudeau]

know that, hey, it's pretty fascinating. I was offering the Mega Memory home study course which was very successful and people absolutely loved it. To, to this day, I cannot walk anywhere, any restaurant where somebody won't come up to me and said, you're the memory guy. I bought your memory course back in the 90s and I loved it and so forth and so on. I hear that all the time. So that in that course I was exposing the department of education, I was exposing Ritalin. I said, you know, it's crazy that in schools they have meds being passed out to the children like it's candy. And they're trying to get all these kids on 80 DE medication or ADHD medication, as well as, you know, putting fluoride in the water and taking phonics out of the school. That was the one that got the heat. And I got the phone call from the politicians via the lobbyist to Say, look, you need to stop saying this and you need to make some payments to the politicians via the lobbyists, otherwise you're going to get in trouble. I didn't pay attention. I got louder with that message. And then one day, I got a lawsuit. And here's what the lawsuit said. The lawsuit said, you're selling the mega memory home study course, and you're making unsubstantiated and undocumented claims as to its benefits. And I said in court, I said, really? You never asked me to provide the documentation and substantiation that I have. For every statement that I've made. I have 150 banker's boxes here that we're bringing into court with all of the studies, documentation and substantiation. You guys are the fraudsters because you made the allegation without even asking me to provide it first. You didn't even do an investigation. This is a political witch hunt and everybody knows it. That case was settled with no finding of wrongdoing on my part, no fine and nothing. But it wasn't the end. And they told me, you can't go down this road. I mean, we had private sidebar meetings, actually had a meeting in chambers with the judge, which I can't even talk about because it'll get me in massive amounts of trouble, where I was told certain things. And I decided to basically continue exposing corporate and government corruption at the highest levels in this area. And today, I mean, the Make America Healthy Again movement, whether you are buying into it or not, at least it's exposing almost everything that I said in the book that I wrote in 2005, Natural cures.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I was going to say that you were really ahead of your time because most of the things you said are things that RFK Jr. Is saying now. And if you. If he were around, then he probably would have hired you to be on, you know, on his staff. So it's. And that's good. And I do know that you have. I don't want to jump ahead, but I know that you're going to be coming out with your own line of supplementation, which I'm also really interested in. So. But I wanted to jump back for a second because one of the other things I find fascinating about you is, you know, you basically said to the government, go scratch. Appropriately so. But they said, not so fast. And they really shut you up. And they shut you up by eventually locking you up for contempt of court. Can you tell us about that?

[Kevin Trudeau]

This was the greatest. I'll tell you what I got Hollywood beating down my door because they want to produce a Netflix series. Because this is the most unbelievable story of all time. Here I am. I wrote a book called Natural Cures. It's a First Amendment protected book. And I mean, you can write a book that says the moon is made of cheese. It doesn't matter what you write. It's protected by the First Amendment. People don't have to buy it. And if they buy it, they don't like it, they can get a refund. But it's a First Amendment protected book. They came after me and said, you are making misrepresentations about your book, about the contents of the book. I said, I'm reading the book. I'm reading from the book when I go and sell it on television. How can I be misrepresenting the contents of the book? And that was also the book. The weight loss cure they don't want you to know about, where I expose the Dr. Simeons HCG protocol. So they couldn't get me for fraud. They didn't charge me a fraud. They didn't charge me with deception or any type of crime. They charged me with contempt of court because in one of my settlement agreements, it says that I won't misrepresent the contents of a book in a TV show or when I appear on radio or television. Well, of course I'm not. I'm gonna expose my. Express my opinions and read. Read excerpts of the book. So it's impossible to. To misrepresent the contents of the book if I'm reading excerpts of the book. Well, it didn't matter because the judge said he was gonna find me guilty. He wasn't gonna read any of my briefs. And he did. He found me guilty of contempt of court. And he said if I plead guilty, he'll give me a maximum of six months in prison if I agree just to stop talking about the book on tv. And he said, I won't. I'm not necessarily saying I'm going to give you six months, but I'll give you a maximum. I said, no, I'm not going to plead guilty because I did nothing wrong. I express my First Amendment constitutional rights, and I'm not going to stop talking about this book on television. I have a constitutional right to express my opinion. He then gave me 10 years in a federal penitentiary.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

But, Kevin, hold on one second. Weren't you. Weren't you. Weren't you given a jury trial? I read. And again, I'll let you tell me what's real and what's not because I wasn't personally there. My information is limited to what I'm reading. So I'm so glad you're here. Okay, so first, if this is federal court, you would have a jury trial, which would mean you'd have 12 jurors who aren't part of the government. They come in, and they're determining whether you committed a crime or not. And unanimously they found that you did. Isn't that accurate or no?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Yes. I had a jury trial. And in the jury trial, I was forbidden to use the word first amendment as my defense. And I was also forbidden to use as a defense the fact that everything that I did was reviewed by my attorneys. And I was also forbidden by the judge, by the judge to use as a defense the fact that I sent all the shows to the federal government in advance and said, before I run them, if there's any issue, please let me know so I can address it. So he wouldn't let me use my defense. So I had nothing to say. So basically, you're hearing one side of the story. It was almost like a grand jury, where you can basically indict a ham sandwich. So the trial was categorically a joke because there was no defense. There was nothing I could say.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Yeah, it sounds like, yeah, your position is that you weren't given a fair trial because your hands were tied behind your back. I hate that feeling. Is that how you feel? Is that what I did?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Well, it was clearly that. And if you look at the. The. The response from top legal experts around the country at that. At that trial, it wasn't me saying that. I mean, some of the top legal minds were saying this was a joke. They thought it would be overturned in appeal. They thought it would be overturned, but it wasn't. Wasn't. No, no. It was affirmed by the appeals court, the contempt of court. Because contempt of court, as you know, is in the Constitution. And one of the things that makes it unique is the judge has discretion. So because the discretion language is so broad for the trial judge in contempt of court findings, there was really nothing for the appellate court to overturn. So it was affirmed. And I got. I believe it was the longest sentence in the history of America for contempt of court. Ten years, which, as you know, contempt of court is. Is not technically a felony or even a misdemeanor. It's. My Latin's not so good, but I think it's suri juriitis, which is a thing of its own. And 10 years for writing a book that the government didn't like that 50 million people loved. I think it's a little bit harsh.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I agree. And I think in 2026, we now know, having survived the last eight or 10 years, that the government doesn't always fly. Right? And we. And we've learned that we didn't know it so much, maybe 30 years ago, but we know it now. And here's where your story for me takes a really fascinating turn. Because every time I listen to you a lot, and every time I hear you talk about the stint in prison and how you used it to complete your latest book and how you were okay with it, you didn't. You didn't hate it, you embraced it. I'm like, wow, that takes a special kind of person. And one of the reasons why you say. How do you say it? You're like, nothing happens to you. The universe doesn't do anything to you. It does things for you. And that is the principle that you relied on when you went into clink.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I say the same thing, Kevin. I think that that's important. So it sounds like you accepted what happened and you made the best of it. Is that what you did?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Yeah. Without any bitterness. And, you know, we can point fingers, but I think that's just a waste of time. At the end of the day, you have to take responsibility for everything happens in your life, and it's nobody's fault. Except me. I made the decisions. I didn't do anything wrong. There was no fraud or deception, and there was no customers that were any deceived in any way. And we know that because they continue to buy the book and they recommend it to others. So everyone liked my book, so that wasn't an issue. And I felt that what I was doing was right. The fact that I had to spend 10 years in prison for basically breaking this glass ceiling, and now everybody's talking about what I talked about. I mean, it's all over the podcast and everything. And I remember getting calls from Deepak Chopra and Mike Adams, the Health Ranger and all these other guys saying, kevin, why are you talking about the drug companies in the fda?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

We're all.

[Kevin Trudeau]

You're all going to get. You're going to get us all in trouble. The government's going to cough after us and try to shut us up. Don't do that. Don't do that. And I said, look, someone's got to basically take the heat and lead the charge here. And once this happens, I think the doors will open and we'll all be better off. So I did the 10 years and for me, it was an exciting adventure. People have a hard time grasping that the government took everything away from me. They wiped me out, but that's fine. They didn't take away my ability to create. And when you read the book by Viktor Frankl, man's search for meaning, I think it puts things in perspective. He was in a Nazi concentration camp, wondering every day if he was going to be sent to the ovens. And he handled it. And I thought, if he can handle that, I'm living in paradise here at federal prison Camp Montgomery, Alabama. Compared. So I took advantage of the time to rest and rejuvenate, do yoga every day, meditate every day, study some languages, play bridge. My bridge game got really good exercise and really meet interesting people from a variety of cultures. You know, people that I would have never met before, whether it was Jeff Skilling from Enron or Jesse Jackson Jr. Or the guy, you know, who doesn't. Never graduated second grade, and he's a gang banger killing people with his AK47s and a drug dealer. And I'm playing cards with them and getting to know how he thinks and the culture he grew up in. And it was, I think, the best education and opportunity of my life. And I took advantage of it.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Wow.

[Jonna Spilbore]

While you were in there, you finished your latest book, your wish is your Command, which I have an audio version. I also have the guru keg.

[Kevin Trudeau]

Oh, wow. I wrote that. I wrote all those lessons in prison. I wrote all those lessons in prison.

[Jonna Spilbore]

That's what. That's what I know. And I try to read one every day over coffee. I have to ask you a personal question because this is something on my mind. You said that part of the reason why the universe allowed you to go to prison is because you were asking to sort of have the time, the freedom to do these things, to write these books, and to do the other things that you wanted to do. And I want to know what you would say to somebody who says, all right, if the universe is always doing things for me, but, you know, and I want to clear the decks and I want to pivot in my career or I want to make a change, but I don't want to have to go to prison to make that happen.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Right.

[Jonna Spilbore]

What would you say to a person in those shoes?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Well, for Christians out there or even Jewish folks in the Old Testament, it says, if you are willing and obedient to the word of the Lord, you will eat the good of the land and succeed in everything you do. And there's two words there. If you go back to the original Hebrew, which actually comes from Canaanite, willing and obedient, which means do what you're kind of told, which is follow your intuition, but also not just do it, but be willing. So in my particular case, when I made the decision and I was being led or felt that this was the right thing to do, I was in alignment with it. It resonated with me. Okay, So I was kind of following that. But was I willing to pay the price or deal with the consequences? And I think you have to. When you do, then the journey is the reward. Now, no one has to go to prison. That's an extreme case, obviously, in my particular case, for a lot of good reasons. But to have eight and a half years, I got a ten year sentence. I did eight and a half. But to take eight and a half years and to be able to have the time to write those books and write lessons, which I wrote also another course called the Science of Personal Mastery course, which is like that thick. And I wrote this entire codified PhD course on releasing abilities and manifesting and creating the life you want. There's nothing on the. Nothing on the planet like it. It's step by step codified, just like if you were going through mathematics training in school where you learned addition, subtraction, multiplication, you know, and you go through all of the steps from algebra and calculus and trigonometry, and it takes you through this series. So this was, this. This prison experience for me was a great blessing. A great blessing. I remember I was walking down the compound, and the. The warden comes up and he says, trudeau, I've been in the Bureau of prisons for 35 years. I've seen tens of thousands of inmates, and you're the only one who's actually happy to be here. And I said, well, you would. You know, I'm here. That's not going to change. And I have a choice. I can either be miserable and bitter like everybody else, or I can be happy and enjoy it. I choose to be.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Kevin. Kevin, it sounds like acceptance is the answer to all of my problems today.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Right?

[Kevin Trudeau]

Yeah.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Accepted where you were at, Right.

[Kevin Trudeau]

What you resist, persists. Right? That's kind of the phrase that goes around. What you resist, persists. You have to remember the great prayer which said, God, grant me the courage to change the things I can change. Right. Patience to accept the things I can't, and the wisdom to know the difference. So you have to accept the things you can't change, and then life's a lot easier. We're always trying to change something. It's like if I can change that person, then I'll be happy. If I can change my situation, then I'll be happy. If I can change.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Step one, recognizing the powerlessness that we have.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Yeah, it doesn't right and it doesn't work. And I wish we could stay and talk to you for a million hours longer, but we are going to let you go. Except that I do want people. People want to find you your books, your courses, your global information network. Do they? KevinTudeau.com is at the best place.

[Kevin Trudeau]

The best place for everything is kevintrudeau.com the book is available there and any information is always right there. KevinTrudeau.com right.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Your wish is your command. His latest work, I'm loving it. Kevin Trudeau, thank you so much for joining us today on Positively Legal.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Thank you, Kevin.

[Kevin Trudeau]

Appreciate you coming. My pleasure. Nice to meet both of you.

[Jonna Spilbore]

For the rest of you, don't go away because when we come back, we're gonna go off the record. Stay tuned.

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[Mark Eiglarsch]

Welcome back to Positively Legal. And now it's time for Jonna and I to go off the record.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Jonna, what's on my mind?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Oh, yeah, what's on your mind?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Let's see. I'll say. So we're going to pivot. Talk about something a little more serious. Cole Allen, the latest lunatic in a seemingly never ending line of those afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome, pleaded not guilty this week to charges stemming from his armed ambush at the recent White House Correspondents dinner. The not guilty plea was standard operating procedure. The surprise move came when his defense attorneys filed the motion to disqualify the entire United States attorney's Office and DOJ on grounds that Jeanine Pirro and Todd Blanche were at the scene of the crime. This motion should fail. Why? Because it's bullshit.

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[Jonna Spilbore]

I mean, legally baseless. The claim that Jeanine Pirro and Todd Blanche are, quote, material witnesses is so much of a stretch, it should come with its own yoga mat. We do not need Jeanine Pirro or Todd Blanche or any members of their prosecutorial teams to testify in this case. There are 2,600 other attendees who can. There is also video, a manifesto, AKA a wordy email, and of course, the Secret Service agents themselves, who apparently missed the lesson where they teach you how to aim. Is that it? Now there's more. Cole Allen took smiling selfies in his hotel room, showing off the weapons he strapped to his body just moments before he rushed the ballroom. And including a Mossberg Maverick shotgun, giving whole new meaning to the phrase, who are you wearing? So then, what do these defense attorneys want to accomplish here? Are they hoping to find a more pro assassination prosecutor to handle the case against their client? Perhaps one aligned with the idiot judge who apologized at a prior appearance to this would be President Killer because the soap on his rope wasn't scented to his liking. Or something like that. I'm going to call it like I see it. Cole Allen's defense team is looking for a softer adversary. A prosecution team that feels life in prison, which this guy should get is a bit too much. And this judge, a judge who practically shed a tear because this clown isn't getting mani pedis in prison, just might fall for it. We have a problem, and it extends well beyond how these patsies are prosecuted. And by patsies, I include here not just the lunatics who think killing the President would make them cool, but also the Tyler Robinsons and the Luigi Mangiones of the world, who are lauded for their extreme anti maga actions. The rhetoric is the reason the anti maga dictionary is written by corrupt politicians, corrupt prosecutors, and the members of the media who do their bidding. If we want to get back to a place where the President of the United States isn't treated like a metal duck silhouette at a carnival game, we need to stop creating the monsters who are willing to pull the trigger.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

As always, wonderfully done, my dear Jona. That was great. And we're going to talk about what we're going to rant about. And surprisingly, I chose to talk about prosecutors. Great mention prosecutors, but mine's just more general. Okay, so here's my rant. When I was a Prosecutor more than 30 years ago, I took very seriously the mission to seek the truth. I also took pride in professionalism. That meant promptly responding to defense counsel, doing everything I could to secure justice for victims, and fighting in court zealously but fairly. When compassion was warranted, I showed it. When tough sentences were necessary, I was not afraid to pursue them. Unfortunately, too many prosecutors I encounter today don't seem to embrace the same principles. Calls and emails go unanswered. Even when there may be evidence that I have that could mitigate a sentence or, more importantly, exonerate one of my clients. At times, it can feel as though some think the law applies to everyone else other than themselves, and winning becomes at all costs. It's been said that the prosecutor has more control over life, liberty, and reputation and than any other person in America. Oftentimes, I get so frustrated because I expect more from those entrusted with such immense power and responsibility. But on a positive note, because we are positively legal, that's the name of our show. Let's Be Positive. I want to express gratitude to the many good prosecutors still out there, the ones who do follow the law, the ones who listen to opposing counsel, the ones who exercise sound judgment and conduct themselves with professionalism and integrity. Keep up the good work. We need more of you. Thank you. Yes.

[Jonna Spilbore]

Bravo.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Bravo. Yes. Jona. So I'm grateful because we're moving into gratefuls. We don't end this show without gratefuls. Jonael.

[Jonna Spilbore]

That's right.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I am so grateful for prosecutors who are just wonderful. And you know who you are. We know who you are. I'm grateful for my beautiful wife of 25 years. I'm grateful that all three of my adult children happen to be home for the past, like, week or two. I'm really enjoying them a lot. They say you'll always love your kids, but will you like them? I really like my kids. I do. And I'm grateful for my two beautiful white golden doodles. Peace and quiet. Those are actually their names.

[Jonna Spilbore]

That's. That's a long. I'm gonna get. I'm just gonna be grateful for one thing for this show. So I don't get many, like, excuse me, red carpet moments. Right. Maybe someday I will, but I would like. And maybe in the comments, people can let me know. I do appreciate the fact that I showed up today wearing the same color as your office wall. And frankly, I think I wore it better.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

So I would argue you did.

[Kevin Trudeau]

You did.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I can say that to you.

[Jonna Spilbore]

I'm grateful for the compliment. Thank you, Mark.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

Wonderful. Okay. Is it time to end our Positively Legal show.

[Jonna Spilbore]

It is. It is. Do we want to say thank you to our guest, Kevin Trudeau?

[Mark Eiglarsch]

I think we should. Do you want to do it?

[Jonna Spilbore]

Sure, sure. Because I am. I'm still enamored. Thank you to our guest, Kevin Trudeau, and to my co host, Mark Eiglarsch. And thank you for joining us. Remember, new episodes of Positively Legal drop every Wednesday. I hope you choose to have a wonderful week.

[Mark Eiglarsch]

That's right. It's a choice.

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