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MOATS with George Galloway
NEVER A WAR HE DIDN’T LIKE | Day 152 | Trump-Netanyahu | Iran strikes | Israeli settler attacks
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George Galloway
It was the mother of all Mafia funerals. All the dons were there and hell was empty because all the demons were in Washington dc. There is a lot coming tonight with the very best guests anywhere to be found on the Internet, because it's the mother of all talk shows.
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Co-host/Producer
Stay tuned.
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Caller/Listener
Foreign,
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Scott Ritter
you are listening to the Mother of All Talk Shows podcast with George Galloway.
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George Galloway
And I hope that you die and your death will come soon. I'll follow your casket on a pale afternoon, and I'll stand over your grave until I know that you are dead. In other news, Senator Lindsey Graham was interred in South Carolina, soon to be renamed Lindsey Graham State. He was earlier received in the Capitol building. They did their best to portray a man who was fearless, maybe warlike. Well, Donald Trump, his chief mourner, said he never saw a war he didn't like. J.D. vance said he was only 5 foot 6, but he'd open his jacket and he'd swagger in as if he was 6 foot 5. None of them mentioned the fact that he was an enthusiastic employer of energetic male prostitutes in the Capitol building itself, whom he received habitually in red panties in the style of the former director of the FBI, founder of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover. Though I don't know if red panties were J Edgar's favorite, but they were Lindsey Graham's favourite. He was a bottom, in the parlance, in case you had never guessed that. But he made up for his tiny penis and his bottom predilections by urging and succeeding in the mass slaughter of millions of people. Donald Trump said that he didn't know where Lindsay was now, upstairs or downstairs, which showed at least a healthy recognition on the part of Donald Trump that that's not a decision he or his administration will be able to make. Well, if there is a hell, then it is bound to be the case that Senator Lindsey Graham in his red panties, is receiving Beelzebub right now. And I hope it hurts and I hope it lasts forever. They were all there at the Mafia funeral. Did you see it? There was the. The little don, Don Rubio out of Miami. There was the Tel Aviv Don Benny. Don Benny out of Tel Aviv. He was there. And of course, the don himself, although looking more and more ridiculous. Think Tony Soprano in the psychiatrist's chair. That's the kind of don that Donald Trump is now more comparable with Marlon Brando. He ain't Don Corleone. He ain't. If there was a movie painting as pastiche the fake Mafia Persona of Donald Trump, it was on view at the White House Correspondence, dinner. And in the funeral arrangements, he looked like a man who knows that he'll be following Lindsey Graham before very long. We will all follow Lindsey Graham and the Lord will judge all of us, pink, red, blue panties and all. But we can some of us at least plead that we did our best to stop war, that we heeded the Lord when he said, blessed are the peacemakers, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. This gathering of mafia dawns the little Zelensky. He was there. Mustn't forget him though. He's a kind of sub don. Don't look for any sexual connotations in that though come to think of it, I've seen him prancing around the stage in his little jumpsuit. I've seen him playing the piano with great difficulty with his penis. So he's a sub Don, Little Zielinski. But they were all there and they were rejoicing in war. It was a collection of the biggest killers, the biggest thieves, the biggest liars, the biggest deceivers, the biggest degenerates that the world has ever seen. I don't know if Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo were ever together in the same room, but even if they were, it would not have been as evil a convocation as gathered appropriately for the funeral
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of Mr. Red Panties Lindsey Graham.
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George Galloway
It was of course a matter of some speculation as to what exactly they were talking about. Zelenskyy hoped for a one on one. Again, no sexual imputation implied with Netanyahu, but Netanyahu turned him down, showing at least some sense that Israel really oughtn't to push Russia too far. But they were talking at the funeral and expert lip readers are on the case right now. But he did get a one on one with Donald Trump, and nobody knows yet exactly what was said, exactly what was decided. But suffice to say, it did not
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live up to Donald Trump's hype the
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George Galloway
day before when he said it was time to end the Ukraine war and that he was going to metaphorically take little Zelensky by the jumpsuit, tell him he had no cards, tell him that his time had run out and that he was now going to take decisive action.
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After all, the Iran war, to which I turn in a minute, is now
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George Galloway
sunk in such miserable, miserable swamp of failure. He really needs something to distract attention
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as the American people prepare for the polls.
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George Galloway
We don't know what was said either in the one on one between Donald
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Trump and Don Benny from Tel Aviv in the Oval Office.
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George Galloway
We do know that the media were
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forbidden to enter that the media were forbidden to report what went on there.
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George Galloway
Again, in the pre trial hype, Donald Trump implied that he was the boss. But if you believe that Donald Trump
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is the boss of Benjamin Netanyahu, then
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George Galloway
I have a bridge in London that
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Co-host/Producer
I could sell you going cheap.
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George Galloway
All of the body language, all of the mood music at the funeral and subsequently indicates very clearly who is calling the shots.
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Co-host/Producer
Now, I've made this point for many years and many of you still don't agree with me. It's not a question of Israel controlling America, or for that matter, America controlling Israel. Israel and America have now effectively merged. They are effectively the same country. Their military has now merged, their intelligence community has now merged, and the American Israel lobby now controls the politics of the United States. So go figure, as the Yankees say, who really controls the United States? Well, we'll see in the next few hours and days. Mind you, the Iranians are not taking all of this lying down. They're on their toes. I spoke to someone last evening, just arrived from Tehran, where he spent some weeks talking to literally hundreds of people, important people, people who know people who are making decisions, people who are close to the people who are making these decisions. And his main takeaway was that the Iranians have spent, however many days now it has been since the United States paused to give diplomacy a chance.
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George Galloway
Even though there is no diplomacy going on. Trump has at least 57 times declared
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that the Iranians have called them and
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George Galloway
are desperate to negotiate. But the Iranians keep telling us there are no negotiations.
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We didn't call him.
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George Galloway
We have no wish to talk to him.
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Co-host/Producer
These are all market manipulations. These are all share price manipulations. These are all insider trading deals that are being served by these false claims. But however many days it has been, I think now four, since Trump stopped the latest round of bombing the men, women and children of Iran, the Iranians have spent that time and have spent the year since the last sneak attack on their country, have spent the last 40 years, seven years since their revolution preparing for this day and hour. They are desperate for the United States to launch a ground invasion. They are absolutely hoping that Donald Trump is persuaded by Netanyahu because they think it's time for the final showdown and more, moreover, they think that they are going to win. It helps if you believe that you're going straight to heaven in the clothes that you were wearing, not even washed straight to heaven. If you fall in the field fighting against the enemies of God, fighting against the enemies of the Islamic Republic, there ain't any American GI Joe, who believes that the American GIs are there, recruited by unemployment, recruited by underemployment, recruited by hopelessness, recruited by, in some cases, a fake. Onward Christian soldiers refrain. I saw some video of them with their hands raised, thinking God's on their side. Bob Dylan wrote a good song about that also, God's not on your side, chaps. God will never be on the side of murder, especially the murder of schoolgirls at their desks in their hundreds. God will never bless that kind of murder. But there are some who are in the US forces because they imagine that they're on some kind of noble mission. But not many of them, and not many of them are relishing the idea of putting their boots on the ground on Iranian territory. A country, vast, vast country of 93 million people. A country of mountains, a country of deserts, country of islands. A country where the population, those that support the regime and those that are merely Iranian patriots, are determined, if they have to, to get up close and personal with the Yankee Doodle Dandy, most of whom no longer want to be there. It's very hot. It's 50 degrees in Iran. There ain't no air conditioning once the power goes down, and there ain't no air conditioning in the trench. There ain't no air conditioning when you're on Carg island and the missiles are raining down upon your head. As a matter of fact, there won't be any water because the civilian infrastructure will presumably, although he's multiple times promised it, be destroyed by Donald Trump as a precursor to any landing, even though it's a very clearly defined war crime, a very clearly defined crime against humanity. So get it on Yankee Doodle Dandy. If you're going to do it, do it now. When General Summer is in the field on the side of the Iranians. General Winter will be here before very much longer. I know it doesn't feel like it, but the winter will soon be upon the theatre of war in NATO's invasion of the Russian space, in NATO's invasion of Russian waters and Russian skies. General Winter always turns the tables for the Russians, and it's their military prowess that I want to talk about next. There's always an anniversary for someone like me. There's the anniversary 80 years since the end of the war. There's the anniversary since the liberation of the death camps of the fascist filth that massacred maybe 9, maybe 10 million people in industrialized slaughter, 6 million of them Jews. The Holocaust in the East. It's always an anniversary. It's the Anniversary of the clearing of the Warsaw Ghetto just earlier this week, when the first Jews from Poland were put on the trains for Treblinka and separation and slaughter. The people of no use to the slave labor department. Turn right and have a shower, why don't you? Except the shower was Zyklon B, manufactured by a respectable German company which still exists, by the way, which showered them to death in the gas chambers. It's always an anniversary around the Second World War for people like me. It was recently the anniversary of the Tokyo Tribunal. Although most of you have never heard of it. Most people in the Western world have never heard of of the Nuremberg Tribunal. If they had, they wouldn't daily be threatening things that were declared at the Nuremberg Tribunal to be war crimes, to be crimes against humanity punishable by being hanged by the neck until dead. But nobody remembers the Tokyo Tribunal. The Tokyo Tribunal of the Japanese fascists who, if not for the victory of the Soviet Red army, would still be ruling Asia as the Nazi filth would still be ruling Europe. And the jackboot of fascism would be on the neck of every citizen.
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George Galloway
Mind you were kind of headed that way in any case, in Western so called democracies. In Western so called liberal democracies, where there's not much democracy anymore and precious little liberty. At least if you're speaking your mind. If you are prepared to take the shilling and do the shilling for the prevailing orthodoxy. As Dr. Johnson said, the grimmest dictatorship on the earth is the dictatorship of the prevailing orthodoxy. But if you're too smart to try and pretend that the state we're in is the best we can be, if you're too smart to pretend that our societies are not disappearing down the drain, then there's no place for you in these Western democracies. You see, I've lived a long political life. I remember when that was. Are you in our unique selling point, free speech. Speak your mind. Demonstrate, protest, vote. In a meaningful election where the votes are counted fairly by a cast of civil servants unimpeachable in their integrity and a transfer of power before you can say Jack Robinson will take place in front of your eyes, you can pick the guy with the red tie or you can pick the guy with the blue tie. What they didn't tell you was that nothing would change whoever you chose. But now you don't even get the chance. There's a fella called Andy Burnham who. It's like a Peter Sellers film. He's turned up as the Prime Minister of Britain with not one single person casting a vote for him without declaring one single policy that he's going to introduce as our new prime minister. And he's wandering around today,
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an old
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George Galloway
boy in an old boy's old people's home asked him if he was the local councillor and he had to explain to the old fella, no, I'm your prime minister. And the old fellow said, what? Another one? They're changing them every 15 minutes. Well, that's almost literally what is happening. But one thing you can be sure of about this new prime minister is that he intends to pursue exactly the same policies towards Israel, Palestine, towards NATO, Russia, towards China. He's claiming the Chinese have been spying on him for years, but in China, nobody has ever heard of the guy. I know that because they're all asking me, who the hell is he? Well, we'll explore that and much more here on the mother of all talk shows. Stay tuned. I'll be right back.
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Scott Ritter
You are listening to the mother of all talk shows podcast with George Galloway.
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George Galloway
And here's the poll for this evening. Is Zelensky trying to drug Trump into war with Russia? Is the Pope a Catholic? Do bears defecate in the woods? It's one of those, I'm afraid. 25,000 people have already voted. However. Is Zelensky trying to drag Trump into war with Russia? You can vote yes or no on telegram t me George Galloway. Follow me there. Anyway, on telegram on X as long as I'm still there on the YouTube community poll on the YouTube stream. Please subscribe to my channel. I'm really struggling to get to 1 million subscribers. It will make a big difference to me. I'm sick asking you to. If you are watching on YouTube, why don't you just now, right now, click subscribe. Costs you nothing. Helps me a lot. You can of course, if you are in the advanced guard, vote on patreon.com George Galloway if you want to call the show, it's toll free in the US and Canada. Plus 1-855-50-50-moats m o a T S or 855-50-66287. It's free of charge in Britain and Ireland. 0800-2944 double one. And the worldwide number 0044203, 966-2625. Now, there are not many of my guests of whom it can be said unequivocally, this is the master. It's the master, Scott Ritter, who's helped us through all of these wars, how to understand them and who quite likes Bob Dylan also. And who has the same contempt for the masters of war that I do, I'm glad to say. He joins us now. Former Marine Corps intelligence officer, former United nations weapons inspector, a soldier, an officer and a gentleman. Scott Ritter, welcome back. Which war shall we start with? Why don't we start with Lindsey Graham? Even his chief mourner said he never saw a war that he didn't like. And that was unconsciously or not a blinding truth, wasn't it?
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Scott Ritter
100%. I mean, Lindsey Graham will go down in history as a warmonger. I mean, there. There were other people out there talking about how he was a man of peace, that his legacy would be that of a peacemaker. Clearly, the record shows quite the opposite. Lindsey Graham, you know, sought war because, you know, war is a corrupting influence. I. I think we can all agree that nothing good comes from war. You know, sometimes war is thrust upon you and you have to wage war. But ideally, societies would function without war because that means that we are civilized societies. That means that we are societies that have embraced the rule of law. That we. That we understand that harmony is better than disharmony. That, you know, constructive, you know, pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness is better than, you know, chaos and anarchy. Lindsey Graham was a man that could not live in peace and harmony. He was a man, in order to thrive, needed the chaos of conflict because the chaos of conflict engages the most base elements of humanity. And Lindsey Graham was more comfortable engaging at that level because then he could, you know, basically deal with people with the lowest morals. You can lie, you can cheat, you can steal. When you are in pursuit of war, you can do anything. The seven sins, the seven deadly sins all apply, especially avarice, greed, pride. This is Lindsey Graham. This is the. The universe that he excelled in. It's a universe that I deplore. It's a universe most humans would deplore. But that's who the man was, and the world is better off without him. Sadly, the world continues to have people like Lindsey Graham. And as we see at his funeral, many people look up to Lindsey Graham will seek to emulate Lindsey Graham. Which means that the future of the world, so long as America is populated by politicians like him, is dire indeed.
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George Galloway
Well, they were all there, of course, what I described as a mafia funeral. There was the little don out of Miami, Little Rubio. Don Rubio. But the bigger dons, Benny from Tel Aviv, Don Benny and Don Volody of Kiev. And of course, the aging, fading couple, the tutti capo, Donald Trump presiding. What do you think they decided in the, in the conclave.
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Scott Ritter
Well, what's interesting is that the. The world that Lindsey Graham helped build is falling apart. You know, it was a world that was never going to see succeed. As much as Lindsey Graham embraced war, wanted war, desired war, even when he got the wars he wanted and desired, these wars did not go the way he wanted. Ukraine is not ending in the collapse of Vladimir Putin's reign. And Iran, the war with Iran is not ending with the collapse of the theocracy. Just the opposite, in fact, is happening. And so what we have is a situation now where the dawn of dons, the Donald is surrounded himself with his two, you know, capos, his made men, Bibi Netanyahu and Volodymyr Zelensky. And notice that Netanyahu and Zelinsky aren't talking to one another, because all is not harmonious in the universe of Trump. Trump is losing on all fronts. And the, the made men who got him into these respective conflicts, you know, are standing there asking for more. And there's not. The don's in a bad place. You know, Zelensky is. Losing isn't even the right word. He has lost this war a long time ago, but the consequences of his defeat are now, you know, becoming more and more clear. We're looking at the absolute destruction of Ukraine, the termination of Ukraine as a modern nation state. Netanyahu has a different game going on. He is, you know, politically dead in the water. There's an election upcoming in Israel that he. He's not going to win. The question of what happens to him after that is yet unresolved. But, you know, the question of Greater Israel is a question very much on the front burner. And what seems to be happening is that Netanyahu is working with Congress to ensure that great. The Greater Israeli Project receives a shot at immortality. But by morphing itself into America, we have the United States Congress actively pursuing legislation which would meld the intelligence services and the defense services of the United States and Israel into a singularity. This means that the United States becomes a de facto extension of the Greater Israeli Project. It's the end of the constitutional Republic and long live Greater Israel. And this is what Netanyahu is focused on. He's on, Focused, focused on making sure that Donald Trump doesn't lose sight of the. Of the bigger game. The bigger game, of course, not being the security of the United States, but the security of Greater Israel. And so there's two different games being played.
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George Galloway
The Ukraine theater, let's start, therefore, with that. It's becoming clear to me. It was always clear to you that actually Ukraine is now existentially challenged. It is already a landlocked country. With the basic closure of Odessa as a gateway into the Black Sea, it is now effectively a landlocked country. But the specter of the reunification of the western parts of Ukraine with their actual motherlands is now more and more on the agenda, both in those countries, but also in Ukraine and in Russia. I saw Putin talk about it the other day. Not a lot of people know that Ukraine only exists because the, the communists created it. Stalin took land from other people and gave it to Ukraine, including Russian land, but Hungarian land, Polish land, Romanian land was all taken and given to a modern Ukrainian state. And now these countries want their territory back. So not only is Ukraine now facing a landlocked future, it's looking at a future where the people of Western Ukraine say, well, if I rejoin Poland, I'm already in the eu, I'm already in NATO, and I'm already in quite a successful modern economic country. Do you see the writing on the wall role for Ukraine?
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Scott Ritter
You know, I think it was last year that Nurishkin, the head of the Russian intelligence service, the svr, his, his press office released a report that said that Nurishkin had overseen a conference where the future of Ukraine was being discussed. And one of the things that the press office talked about was the, you know, they explored the potential of the partitioning of Ukraine. And I thought it was very notable that the head of the Russian intelligence service was leading the conversation in that regard. But, you know, until the, the capo di capo in Russia speaks, it's just speculation. To have Vladimir Putin articulate, as he did, did openly exactly what Narishkin was prophesizing back in last summer is a clear indication that this thought process at least is on the front burner of, of, of Vladimir Putin's, you know, you know, kitchen. This is the end of Ukraine. You know, decisions have been made. First of all, Russia, you know, a law abiding nation, had held its hand, stayed its hand for far too long in the Black Sea because it was obligated to allow Ukraine to have a passageway out of Odessa, out of its Black Sea ports, to the Bosphorus and onwards for its grain. The whole concept was to allow the free passage. Russia knows that Ukraine had been cheating on this, had been receiving empty ships, had been receiving full ships, full of weaponry, full of supplies, and that the Black Sea had been used as a launch pad to attack Russian shipping and Russian infrastructure. Ukraine was openly Bragging about having kicked the Russians out of the Black Sea. A ludicrous claim, but one which they could make because Russia was complying with its obligations. No more. Odessa is closed, the Black Sea ports are closed, the grain deal is off and Ukraine will be a permanently landlocked nation. Now you combine that and it's remember it's not going to be landlocked because of a Russian blockade. Vladimir Putin has within the last year articulated that Odessa is a Russian city. And when you combine that articulation with the pronouncement of the potential partitioning of Ukraine to include according to Vladimir Putin and the Rushkin, elements of Ukraine, Ukraine going to Romania. The second you invoke Romania acquiring land from Ukraine, you raise the specter of Transnisteria and the necessity therefore of a Russian land bridge connecting mainland Russia with Transyria that goes through Odessa. So it's over for Ukraine, I believe. I think Vladimir Putin has made the decision that this war doesn't end until Odessa is part of Novorossiyan. You know, I think it was sometime this summer when Gennady Gerasimov had held a meeting of the, of the, of the General Staff and there was a map on the back of the wall. And what was interesting about that map is it showed the Russian Federation inclusive of Odessa, inclusive of Karkov, inclusives of Sumi. This is the new reality. This is where Russia is going to go because Ukraine and the collective west have fun their nose at the prospect of peace. And Russia always said that if you ignore this deal, you'll never get a deal like this again. And somehow the United States and Ukraine and Europe are under the impression that they can go back in time and get the deal that Putin had put on the table previously. That deal is long dead. When we talk about the future of Ukraine, people need to maybe go back in history and learn about the Morgenthau Plan, Secretary of Treasury under Franklin D. Roosevelt, what to do with Germany at the end of World War II and it was to de industrialize Germany, basically turn Germany into a rump agronomy driven state. And that's it, that's the future of Ukraine. Russia will strip away its industry, its ports, they're going to lose western Ukraine to, to Poland, they're going to lose the Hungarian possessions, they're going to lose Romania possessions and will be left is a small rump around Kiev that can grow grain but can't get the grain to market. You think the EU is going to allow Ukrainian grain to flood? No, the future of Ukraine will be Part of the union state, this agronomy state. Ukraine, the rump state, will join the union state as the third sister. This is something the Russians have been working all along with the Belarusians in the current union state. So it's, it's, it's over for Ukraine. It's, it's, I can't say it's sad because in order to, to want the old Ukraine, they would have had to learn to behave responsibly. The fact that Russia, you know, remember all those Ukrainians are saying, hey, this is a good deal, we're going to join Poland, we're in the EU or in NATO. They forget one thing. Poland hates Banderas. Poland despises Western Ukrainian nationalism. And the one nation that will pursue the Banderas to the grave as assiduously as Russia will, will be Poland. So be careful what you ask for Western Ukraine, because the wrath of Poland has yet to be inflicted upon you. And when it is, it will be terrible and terrible.
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George Galloway
It has been. In the second theater I'd like to discuss with you, obviously, the Persian Gulf. Now, it's been some days, maybe four days that the US Bombing paused, but I understand that, Trump said, and if you'll forgive my language, Scott, although you are a former Marine, Trump said on television this morning that the United States was going to kick the fucking shit out of Iran as a result of events in Jordan yesterday. Does that begin this evening again? And if it does, does it harbinger a greater storm to come? Or is a spasm of violence while other things go?
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Scott Ritter
I mean, I'm not, I'm a Marine, but I've been cautioned to watch my language. Once I start going down the path of using Marine Corps salty words, I'll never stop. So you tempted me, George, but I'm not gonna succumb to the tempting. The, the, you know, for Trump to achieve what he wants. It's, I just have some questions. Does he have a magic wand that he's going to wave and suddenly the American bombers bomb, bomb differently than they've already bombed? Does he have a magic wand that he waves over the American weapons and suddenly they become more accurate and, and more plentiful than they were? You know, Donald Trump saying he's going to do something. He's already tried to do that twice. 39 Day War, which we lost. And the most recent, you know, whatever, how many days this spasm of violence took place, which we lost. There's a reason why Trump stopped bombing Iran. It's because we ran out of ammunition both in terms of the munitions used to bomb Iran and the munitions used to protect ourselves from Iranian missiles. The Iranians, on the other hand, have not run out of missiles. They have their missiles. And another reason why he stopped is that the world's running out of oil. You know, Trump can sit there and threaten all he wants. There is no US Military solution to the Straight or Hormuz problem problem. And there is no US Military solution to the reality that Iran can erase the totality of Middle Eastern energy production. Within a week, it will all be gone. And we've seen the Iranians and their proxies demonstrate this. The Ansralla Houthis, they fired five missiles into a Saudi Arabian oil production facility. It's done, finished. The, the, the proxies out of Iraq fired drones into a Saudi Arabian production facility, shut it down. And this is just a hint of what Iran could do if they want to. So Trump has to be careful. He's mad, he's angry, he's going to say things. But there is no magic bullet. There is no silver bullet. There isn't a quiver of magic military arrows that Trump's been sitting on saying, I'm just waiting for the purpose, perfect moment to launch these. We have nothing left. So what is he going to do? His bluster is falling on deaf ears. The Iranians aren't afraid. Donald Trump sat there and planned a surprise attack against the Iraqi militias with Saudi Arabia. Iran found out about it and preempted that surprise attack. Now, people can say that was a surprise attack, but it wasn't. Remember, it was the United States that illegally bombed Iran to begin this war with an act of perfidy. The United States chose war, chose aggression. The United States signed an mou, which had been invalidated and says is no longer in place. The United States stopped a cease fire, but Iran has says they want a ceasefire. But Iran has never acknowledged this. From the Iranian perspective, the war continues. And if the United States wants more, if Donald Trump wants to try to kick the whatever, whatever out of the Iranians, bring it on, Donnie. You got nothing. And the whole world knows this. And what Trump. I think his frustration comes because it's not just the Iranians that are continuing to thumb their nose at them. Nobody respects the United States anymore. Nobody respects us. Nobody fears us, because there's nothing to fear. Do you understand that? North Korea now openly mocks us. South Korea and Japan are afraid because we took away the totality of their air defense systems to bring into the Gulf where they don't work. And we've depleted them already. We denied Japan 400 cruise missiles to have a counter strike capacity. They're now left bare. North Korea, meanwhile, is building ships, building missiles, building everything. They're not afraid of the United States. Russia is in the process of crushing Ukraine and there's nothing the United States can do to stop it. They're getting ready to pass a sanctions bill in Congress that is literally an act of suicide. You're going to sanction what Russia? You're going to put secondary sanctions on what?
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George Galloway
India and China?
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Scott Ritter
You're talking about energy. So we're in the midst of a global energy crisis brought on by Trump's stupidity. Iran controls the straight Hormuz, the Houthi control Bob El Mandev. They squeeze any harder and the world is screaming like a stuck pig because there is no energy to replace it. The only energy now that can get the market is Russian energy. Russian energy. And the United States honestly thinks it can. Tell the Indians that. Stop buying Russian energy or we'll sanction you. I think you're going to get a big yawn out of India. I think you're going to get a big yawn out of China. The United States is literally making itself the single most irrelevant nation in the world because when you put so many demands on the world that you make life unlivable, the world will cut you out of their lives. And that's what's going to happen to the United States. These senators are so hate filled, but one, why not? It's a bill named after Lindsey Graham, the man who is singularly responsible for the destruction of the American dream. So the best way for Lindsay to go out is to have a bill that's going to destroy the United States economically named after him.
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George Galloway
It's a funeral pyre rather than a funeral. But what of finally, Scott, the, the domestic theater, the whole theatre, it's difficult to see how, and I don't myself wish this, I'm looking for a third force to emerge in United States politics. But that won't happen before November, which is just round the corner.
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Caller/Listener
The
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George Galloway
midterm elections look to me like they're going to be a landslide defeat for the Republicans. Will that begin to change the internal politics in the Congress? Will senators hitherto ironclad defenders of Trump begin to find reasons for impeaching him in order to perhaps save their own skin? How do you see the political dynamic now, Mouth?
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Scott Ritter
Well, you know, it's, it's curious because right now we have the Republicans, the, you know, the Trump administration invoking the the ghost of McCarthy, because they're panicked. And so now they're talking about shutting down free speech, calling people information, terrorists, and all this in order to control the domestic political scene, to end, invoke fear, to inspire fear, and so that people will, you know, not vote against them or not oppose them in the upcoming midterms. I think you're right. The midterms are going to be disaster for the Republicans. But. And we'll see what happens in the Senate, because, you know, right now I would say that it's, it's very likely that the House will go Democratic, which means that the next two years will be spent impeaching Donald Trump. But as we learned the last time, impeachment is nothing without conviction. It's just a show trial, an act of political, you know, exhibitionism. You need the conviction. And if he can, if the Democrats can get enough seats or you get enough Republicans who are going to, you know, barter conviction for their skins, then it's the end of the Trump legacy. But that doesn't save America. I want to remind people, all the people that are out there saying, oh, my God, Trump era McCarthyism and everything, guys. The book on the suppression of free speech was written by the Democratic Party. It was Joe Biden's FBI that took my passport. It was Joe Biden's FBI that stormed into my house and seized my electronics. It was Joe Biden's FBI that worked, worked at the behest of the Ukrainian government and the Israeli government to suppress all dissent. I am on three death lists written by the State Department on behalf of Ukraine, written by the State Department on behalf of Ukraine, where entities funded by U.S. taxpayer dollars are trying to kill me actively. This was the Democrats that did this. So understand that when the Democrats come rolling back in, and they will be, they're not coming in to defend the constitutional Republic. They've already demonstrated they don't give a damn about the constitutional Republic. They're coming in to exact revenge. And it will be a period of vengeance that will be thrust upon America and we will be terrorized by an FBI now working for the Democratic Party. Now, this may cause a cause and effect swing two years later, and the Republicans come storming back, but they won't come back to save the republic. They'll be coming back to commit acts of vengeance against the Democrats. We're moving into a cycle of political violence. And this only heads in one way, and that is the total destruction of the American Republic. I just saw the movie the Odyssey. Now, a lot of people were saying, don't see it. It's about wokeness and dei. It wasn't. It was actually one of the best stories about morality one can imagine. And I wrote a long piece about it in my substack. It's a lesson for us all. We have become our own worst enemies. We have committed sins in the name of that which we have embraced as defining us. What they call Zeus's law and the Odyssey is really the rule of law, the constitution. And we Americans are violating it over and over and over again. And we have spent the last 10 years eating lotus leaves to try and forget about the sins we have committed. But these sins will come back. They will haunt us. We will never get rid of them until we confront them. And sadly, the American people so far have not shown an ability to confront their sins, to be honest about their past. And if you don't confront your sins and be honest about your path, you're not being honest about the problem. You cannot solve a problem unless you first accurately define the problem. And the American people refuse to acknowledge that the problem is is themselves.
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George Galloway
Powerful, powerful. Scott Ritter, as always, thanks for joining us on the Mother of All talk show. Scott Ritter, former Marine Corps Intelligence officer, though he wouldn't go down the road of Marine language. Let's take a quick break, then it's your calls coming next. Stay tuned.
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Scott Ritter
You are listening to the Mother of All Talk Shows podcast with George Galloway.
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George Galloway
Looks like it's going to be a 30,000 vote poll which is pretty good, pretty good for Wednesday night. Is Zelensky trying to drag Trump into war with Russia? Yes or no? You can vote on telegram t me George Galloway on x, on the YouTube community poll, on the YouTube stream stream and on patreon.com George Galloway. Let's go to Canada, to Quebec, where Yasser wants to talk about Mam Danny and Netanyahu. Go ahead, Yasser.
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Caller/Listener
Thank you so much for taking my call. I do, I do support your stance of extending support to Mrs. Zohran Mandani. Mayor Mandani, I want to narrate an incident, I think, that has not been mentioned at all in independent media and alternative media, neither on moats nor on any of your peers chat shows. On October 23, 1995, Yasser Arafat was in New York City to attend the 50th anniversary of United Nations. Useless and compute. That's what the UN stands for. He was there to attend the 50th anniversary and as part of the ceremonies and festivities there was a concert at Lincoln center in Manhattan New York Philharmonic was performing. And midway through the concert, Rudy Giuliani, that rascal, rabid, racist, vicious, wild waste of human space, he sent his chief of staff, his name was Randy Mastro, to eject Yasir Arafat in the middle of the concert. And this was a time when Yasser Arafat was one of the most frequent visitors to the White House. He visited Clinton White house more than 13 times. He was insultingly, unceremoniously booted out of that concert hall. And the reason I narrate that incident is that as much as I appreciate you extending support to Behrmani, we should not let him get away with jurisdictional jockeying when it comes to his campaign promise of arresting Netanyahu. He's a war criminal, he's a genocider, he's committed holocaust in Gaza. And I don't think we should give any leeway to Mr. Moudani to dither, to deflect, to delay. And likewise, I would also take the liberty of requesting you that we mustn't lose sight of the fact that. How come he's invited to the un? How come Netanyahu is invited to the UN when UN has just stood by and has been pretty much an observer, a spectator to the genocide likewise, like they have been to all the illegal imperial wars for resources. What has the UN done to stop the genocide? And on top of that, they're extending invites to people like Netanyahu. I think there's an individual, his name is Craig Moheber. I don't know if your team has heard of him. He's based in New York. He used to work for the un. Resigned as a response to Gaza genocide. Perhaps you'd like to invite him and talk about the role of the un. Not only have they done nothing to stop the genocide, they're actually rolling out the red carpet for criminals, international war criminals like Netanyahu. So that's what I wanted to bring
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George Galloway
to your attention, Yasser. You're pushing an open door with me on that. My contempt for the United nations is by bottomless, I doubt that Mamdani had the authority to conduct an arrest, given the diplomatic immunity enjoyed by heads of government at the United nations itself. But you may be right. I didn't know about the New York Philharmonic story. I had no idea that my late friend President Arafat was treated in such a disgraceful way. I'll read up on it more after the show. And all I'm saying is Mamdani is trying to win over the American people to what is a radically different set of perspectives a radically different narrative to that which they've been force fed by the Uni party over half a century and more since the Second World War in fact. And he deserves some credit for that. He is a very good persuader. He's persuaded the majority of New York's daughter Jewish community to support him rather than Netanyahu. So there's a loud clack. But it is a minority claque that is on his case in New York City itself.
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Co-host/Producer
But the points that you make are well taken and I'm grateful to you for making them all the way from Quebec. Some comments.
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George Galloway
You can scan the QR code now
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Co-host/Producer
on the corner of your screen and I'll read them out if I can. Tam McIntosh. Brilliant. Didn't know it was a funeral, George. Looked more like an Epstein reunion party to me. Very well said, Bob. Cosmic. Let's spare a thought for Melania. She woke up today only to realize that she's still not a widow. And the analytical grand grower says one of your best monologues to date. George, I'm laughing my head off. But jokes aside, you are right about the revolving door that is British governance. A total sham. Thanks for that.
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George Galloway
I don't know.
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Co-host/Producer
My wife kind of turned her nose up at some of my dirty jokes. So if I offended anyone else, I'm sorry. And my wife I'll say sorry to later. Bob again says Andy Capp crash in Burnham has taken the political relay baton from Blair Starmer and he will run his leg of the relay race till that appointed time that he hands the baton over or loses an election. You'd need to be British and dun certain ash to know who andy Capp is. Chacoti01 says Mr. Bean would have been better as a PM of the UK. Rowan Atkinson spoken many times publicly. And he really has a good political mind and common sense. Well, let's stay in Canada. Where Mahmoud was wants to talk about the Ukraine attack on the Iranian ship Mahmoud.
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George Galloway
It was indeed a shocking crime and
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Co-host/Producer
which cost a sailor his life. What do you want to say about it?
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Caller/Listener
Greetings to the great host, the fabulous production team and the intellectual audience of the undisputed motherfall Great talk shows.
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George Galloway
Thank you brother. Thank you.
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Caller/Listener
Would the Ukrainian lethal attack on an Iranian merchant ship with China weighing in heavily and openly on Iran's side and with the US quietly passing automatic drafting laws. Should there be any doubt, George, that we are standing at the edge of the abyss, that the world is readying itself for a major global conflict. Conflict yet, George, on a Lighter note, for the sake of those of us who still would rather live in a fantastical world, make how much asking for that bridge in London that you've been trying to sell?
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George Galloway
Very good. Very good indeed. I did write earlier this week that this summer feels a lot like the summer of 1919 14. The road to Sarajevo is again being laid. The idea that was prevalent then was that the local conflicts could be kept local, that the Austrian Serbian conflict could be localized, that it need not become a global cataclysm, are as ill advised today as they turned out to be then. There's a class of people, I know, some of them, who think that we can have a limited war against Russia in the Ukraine, that that war will remain conventional war, that people will take trains to the front, take two, three days to get there, get their tin hats and their knapsacks and their rifles, and head for a trench or a position, firing position somewhere. This is fantastic nonsense. But my more profound or more particular objection is that you and I seem to be the only people who care about it. The world is full of people wailing about the hot weather in July. Hotter than July. It's no hotter. Matter of fact, the Arctic had its coldest, is at its coldest for 30 years. Official. So I hear lots of people talking about queues at the passport lines in European holiday resorts, about not enough air conditioning. And I wonder, do you know how hot it is in the inferno? Do you know how hot it is in the blast of a nuclear weapon? It's thousands of degrees, and you'll be lucky if you're destroyed in the blast, because if you're destroyed in the radiation, that's a very, very much worse death. And if you are destroyed in the nuclear winter which follows, you'll starve to death, you'll die of thirst, you'll die on your hands and knees like a dog in the streets, and all your people will be dead and everything around you will be ash and cinders, and nobody seems to care. I mean, where's the Barry Maguire eve of destruction? Where's the eruption in the cultural sphere? Where is the opposition in the parliaments of Mary own country of the European Union? Where. Where are the people saying, we don't want to die for Slavyans, We've never heard of it. We don't care whether it goes back to Hungary, Poland, Romania stays with the Ukraine or joins Novorossia. We don't care. We're not prepared to die for it. Where are those people? Why am I crying like Cassandra across the airwaves. And there's only thee and me and our wonderful Motz audience who care, who even recognize that we're on the road to Sarajevo. The worst war, the most unnecessary war, a war that should never have been fought, a war which robbed us of the flowers of our nations, a war that saw Europe and beyond drenched in blood and from which Britain at least never recovered.
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Co-host/Producer
That was the First World War. We are now looking at World War Three, and you've pointed it out very powerfully, Mahmud. Now, a proper word of recognition for some of tonight's top Moats supporters, Christine G. Suo, James Glass, Roger Bonifas, Dennis Freeman and Ahmed Khalaf. Big thanks to all of you, particularly those whose names I recognize, who I see regularly amongst our top donors. Your backing motes is the only thing
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George Galloway
that keeps it going, certainly on a Wednesday, if you want two motes per week. You can't pass by my hat when
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Co-host/Producer
I have finished busking. So please go to Mote TV and donate before retiring to bed this evening. Let me take a quick break, then it's our next guest. First time, I think, for KG no
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George Galloway
N o H, who's a journalist, writer
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Co-host/Producer
and educator, and a mighty fine one, too. Stay tuned. I'll be right back.
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Scott Ritter
You are listening to the Mother of All Talk Shows podcast with George Galloway.
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George Galloway
The Patreon's picking up again. It's fun, actually. Patreon.com George Galloway, come and join the club. It's a big club and you can be in it. Patreon.com forward/George Galloway, KJ no. Is a very, very popular journalist, writer and educator, and it's our fault that we haven't seen him yet on the mother of all talk shows. But that is about to be remedied. KJ thanks very much indeed for joining us. There's so much I could talk to you about, but I wanted to begin with China. By the way, I'm not paid by anybody in China, people. I'm getting millions of views for my reports from China nowadays, and people imagine that somebody paid me to make them, but they didn't. The way I look at China is I'm looking at the future. And it works. It's not perfect. Nowhere is, but it's better than everywhere else. How prevalent a view is that in Korea, where you come from, in Asia in general?
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KJ No
Well, I think in Korea and in Asia, I think it's very obvious. In the United States, it's much harder to get accurate information. All of that is starting to be reached with many people Reporting, doing live streams back from China. But Korea is a neighbor of China. We've been, you know, close for many, many centuries. And Koreans traveled, for example, to Shanghai. You know, it's like a one hour plane trip and people will travel to Shanghai, come back, it's like a weekend trip. So yes, Koreans have a very, very strong and positive impression of China. They also know that as neighbors, we are mutually dependent, both in trade for security, for tech. There are many, many, you know, there are many, many mutually beneficial relationships. And at the same time, there's also a very strong right wing push, largely boosted by the United States, which wants to separate Korea away from China and actually use it as a battering ram to fight with China. Literally. Ukrainian and one of the specific things about Korea's situation is South Korea is not really a sovereign country. And one of the key elements of its lack of sovereignty is the fact that its military is still directly controlled by the United states. It has 3.6 million troops under arms, 500 of which are regular, and the US has direct and immediate control over all of them. The moment it snaps its fingers, it
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George Galloway
is a remarkable, remarkable thing. But there's lots of anniversaries bobbing around at the moment. One of them is the end of, or at least the armistice in the Korean War. There was a brief moment I witnessed it in Korea, where the Sunshine presidency looked like it was interested in reunification. One country, two systems type ideas were bobbing around. But now things have retrenched so badly and the United States has abused its power in South Korea so badly that nobody would be that surprised if the Korean War started up again, would they?
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KJ No
You know, I think it's very, very possible. We know that earlier last year the war was almost triggered by the President at the time, Yoon Se Gal, who essentially sent drones into North Korea. Very, very provocative act. And this could have very easily resulted in counter fire, counter battery fire, which then would have escalated the country into potentially full scale war, at which point the United States would have gotten operational control over all of South Korea's troop. So we dodged a bullet, you know, by, you know, by millimeters. But even before that, the year before that, a very important U.S. deep State magazine said that North Korea had run out of options and that it was going to trigger war with South Korea. This was written from the heart of the deep State, CIA and etc. And this was very puzzling to most Korea watchers like myself, because North Korea had not run out of options. It was, you know, moving away from diplomatic income, engagement because it was tired of the lies and the deceit and the disappointments that it had most recently had with the Trump, the previous Trump administration. But that didn't mean that it was about to trigger a war. But then this Deep State Journal 38 north says North Korea is going to start a war because it has run out of options. And if you unpack that statement, what I think is really being said is that the US had plans to trigger a war with North Korea, in which case it would be forced to defend itself. And that is the lack of options that they were alluding to. So I think that just as we saw you know, the war, the war break out in West Asia, just as we saw this kind of continual encroachment that led to war with Russia in with using Ukraine as a proxy, we can see the same processes happening right now in the Pacific and in particular with Japan, the Philippines and on the Korean peninsula. You see this kind of Ukrainianization process. The same like massive build up, the same alliances, the same triggers, the same staging, the same rehearsals. All of this massive buildup signals that there's something very, very ominous happening. And the Korean Peninsula, Taiwan island and the South China Sea are the three major triggers that could be triggered.
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George Galloway
I'll turn to those KJ in a minute. I just want to ask for your reflections on far from running out of options. North Korea's economy is now booming, the best performing economy in the world according to the capitalists own bible, the FT and the Economist. How did that happen?
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KJ No
Well I think it was something that was always a potential North Korea until 1979 was, was richer, more prosperous than South Korea. In the early 60s Joan Robinson became rich philosopher, went to North Korea and she came back with the story of the Korean miracle. For many, many decades when people spoke about the Korean miracle, they were not talking about South Korea, which was actually a washed out quizzling, a failed state that the United States was propping up and just barely, but they were actually referring to North Korea. So North Korea has always had tremendous potential. Up until 1979 it was richer than South Korea. And then it underwent a process when after the Soviet Union fell, when it was sanctioned and almost sanctioned into oblivion. But still they resisted, they stood up, they fought and even during this entire period they never gave up on development and certainly they never gave up on education and they never gave up on supporting sovereign independence movements around the world including they were strong, strong and still are strong, strong supporters of Palestine and all across the global south and Africa. So North Korea's re accession is Not a surprise to anybody who knows anything about the history and the capacity of the North Koreans. What has happened is that the Western propaganda press is now begrudgingly having to admit that North Korea is this tremendous power, tremendous technological and economic power, and that any difficulties that it was facing were really a function of the extraordinary sanctions that were being levied on it, really, you know, the attempt to choke it out. But North Korea, you know, slipped out and it, you know, found its own way. And so now it is coming back into full blossom, full Bloom. In the 1960s and early 70s, the Black Panthers visited North Korea and they said this, this is like an East Asian Switzerland. You know, this is what a model society could look like. And I think North Korea is simply reverting to that potential that it already had. And now the capitalist Western press is trying to explain away North Korea's success, which really have to do with its leadership, its development trajectory, its planning, essentially its. Its socialist project. That is what has made North Korea successful. And they're trying to explain it away by saying, oh, you know, North Korea has, you know, is being saved by, you know, China, etc. Etc. That's far from the case. Certainly there's synergy, but North Korea is sui generis and it is its own incredible model of development.
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George Galloway
So turning to you thrice referred to Ukrainianization. There's such a hell of a lot of potential Ukraines in your home region. You've got Taiwan is the obvious one. Japan, another obvious one. South Korea, another obvious one. But coming up on the outside rail for racetrack lovers like me, you've got the Philippines. Now, I spent some of the best years of my life trying to bring about the downfall of the Marcos dictatorship, the closure of the Clark Air Base, Subic Naval Base, and they're all back. And the Philippines is surely being readied as the next UN Ukraine, don't you think?
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KJ No
Oh, absolutely, yes. There's no doubt about it. The entire Pacific is being militarized and prepared and staged for war. And when I say stage, we're talking about the literal dress rehearsal and the tech rehearsal stage. We're at that point. Pretty soon the live performance will be going on. But in the case of the Philippines, you're absolutely right. You know, they have. The US Already has at least nine bases that are being prepared for war. These are being racked full of standoff weaponry and missiles. As you well know, Clark Air Base and Subic Air Base. Subic Base was the largest military base on the planet. It's larger than the country of Singapore and now they are rebuilding that into a, into the world's largest logistical and military industrial base on the planet. And so you can see that everything is being, you know, the dice is being loaded at the current moment. And of course the Philippines is being used as a trigger because it has access to the South China Sea, which the United States wants to choke off. The theory is that there are 5 trillion plus dollars worth of trade that goes to China, about 10 million barrels of oil that transit the South China Sea every single day. And the US plan is both to choke China out at the South China Sea, just as you know, I mean, it's the most, one of the most critical choke points on the planet, as well as to launch a blinding decapitation attack deep into the Chinese mainland. This is the doctrine of what we're called air sea battle. And of course, the Philippines is very, very important in this. We all know that. You know, the senior Marcos was a US quizzling dictator. The son, Bongbong Marcos is yet another quisling dictator. When he was very, very young, the Beatles visited the Philippines and then he got fed up with them and he wanted to shave the Beatles. He wanted the Beatles to shave their hair. And the Beatles escaped, you know, by the skin of their teeth. So this is the man who would have given John Lennon, you know, a skinhead. And he's the man who's currently, you know, controlling the Philippines for the benefit of the United States as a proxy and in. It looks very, very certain that they are seeking to trigger war. All of this has been well set up, both in terms of warfare, but also in terms of strategic operational staging.
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George Galloway
And yet China has the biggest army in the world, the biggest navy in the world. It's the world's most populous country. It's the world's number one manufacturer, it's almost certainly the world's number one economy. What kind of madness is it to seek to go to existential war with China? China is well able to handle anything that a weakened and somewhat sclerotic United States can throw at it.
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KJ No
I think you're absolutely correct. You know, my country, comrade Ben Norton says China is the most sovereign country in the world when he says that it's not only sovereign its territory, but it's sovereign in, in tech, it's sovereign in manufacture, it's sovereign in its informational sphere. That is, it has digital sovereignty and it has financial sovereignty. It is no longer beholden to the US dollar, so in many, many. And also it's, it's moving towards energy sovereignty or Energy independence. So in many, many ways China is more than capable of fending off both blockade and kinetic attacks. It has probably the most sophisticated and developed what they call anti access area defense system, essentially missiles that can defend itself. And so the United States should take a lesson from its current war with Iran to understand that if it cannot defeat a middle power, there is no way that it can defeat a superpower peer competitor like China. So if the ruling imperial elite were thinking properly, they would forego the thought. They would seek a rational and decent modus vivendi not just with China, but with, but with the rest of the global South. The problem is that they are so deeply, deeply wedded to their notion of hegemony. They're so deeply wedded to their notion of hegemony that they would rather see the end of the world than their than the end of their power and privilege. And to a certain extent they may not care if they all die because inside the ruling elite are already morally and spiritually dead. So there's a kind of utter cynicism I think that drives them. But also there is also the madness of thinking inside the deep state that they think that they can actually defeat China, they can actually win against China. This is what I call the grizzly bear fallacy. This is 6% of sentient adults in the United States believe that they can fight a grizzly bear with their bare hands and beat it. And that is the same kind of thinking that seems to be infecting the ruling imperial class.
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George Galloway
That one will live and fly far. I must tell you KJ we had dinner with Ben Norton just the other night in, in Shanghai. We were both giving speeches at Fudan University which may be the last speeches Westerners are ever able to make because the Pentagon and the EU have now sanctioned this incredible University of Fudan. And of course China immediately doesn't waste time nowadays. China immediately sanctioned them back with full fledged force. So it's multi level, isn't it? It's not just preparation for war. It's many a different and insidious kind of modus operandi that they follow. Including sanctioning universities?
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KJ No
Oh absolutely, yes. I mean this is full on full spectrum hybrid. The kinetic preparations are just one dimension and as are the economic dimensions of the war, as are the legal lawfare dimensions of the war. But they're also waging of course, as we know, information war. We're being constantly bombarded 24, 7 with lies against China to manufacture consent. And then there's also cultural war. There's an academic War, there's a tech war, et cetera. This academic war has many, many dimensions. But one of the things that they want to do is they want to enclose the knowledge conflict commons and see if they can expel China from it. And so Chinese researchers are now guilty, almost all of them, of researching while Chinese. It's like driving while black. This is the new crime, researching while Chinese. If you're a Chinese researcher and you research in the United States, pretty soon you're very likely to get a knock on the door from some very, very, you know, stiff looking people wearing bad suits. And this is, this has happened already. There are key Chinese researchers. For example, Dan How Wang was a researcher in one of the most important fields in semiconductor materials and microelectronics. And he got this knock on the door from U.S. officials. And then the next thing we knew, he was dead. He was dead. He apparently, quote, unquote, committed suicide. But I think there are questions whether that is actually the case or whether he was pressured to commit suicide. This was a person who was working on the cutting edge of microelectronics and he suddenly died. And the University of Michigan, who clearly would have done everything possible, possible to facilitate this process of engagement, has gone deathly silent. They've gone radio silent. So we know that bad things are happening to Chinese researchers inside the United States. People who were caught smuggling in, you know, Chinese researchers who brought in, you know, tapeworms were arrested and sent back and they've been all accused of stealing intellectual property. Despite the fact that China actually is ahead of the United States in 57 out of 63 cutting edge technology, the Chinese are ahead. They are breaking the ground. And unless they are, you know, doing time travel and stealing from the future and then bringing it back to China, this is absolute nonsense. But even more, I mean, the fact that they sanctioned Fudan, you know, university, which is probably the most liberal university in China and which is full of many people who are educated in the United States and have, you know, warm feelings to the United States, shows that they are actually shooting themselves in the foot. And, and, and the, the kind of paranoia and hatred against China is so extreme that they would, they are undermining the themselves by, you know, destroying all relations and enclosing, trying to enclose knowledge commons, which will, which will eventually blow back. China is a, is a country led by engineers and scientists. The US Is a country led by lawyers and failed business people in a tech race. The engineers and scientists are going to be the lawyers and failed business people.
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George Galloway
Well, nobody will ever accuse you of being a man in a bad suit. You're a cool guy and I'm very glad to have met you. Thanks for joining us on the mother of all talk shows. That was KJ No N o H. Remember his name. He is a star. Let me take a quick break, then it's your calls right up to Gayatri. Stay tuned.
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Scott Ritter
You are listening to the mother of all talk shows podcast with George Galloway.
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George Galloway
You've got eight minutes left to vote on the poll. Is Zelensky trying to drag Trump into war with Russia? Almost 30,000 people now have voted. Farhad is in matters Manchester on Iran and Ukraine. Let's hear him. Farhad, welcome.
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Caller/Listener
Hello George. Firstly, I thank you for your outstanding monologue which is quite interesting for me in every show. I enjoy to listen to them. I get a lot of information because you cover everything and it's quite, quite helpful. First I wanted to ask about the ship that was heated by the Ukrainians and then officially it's president announced that they have done that. And then I wanted to ask you if you see the expansion on everything that is going on between Iran and United States. And recently another ship storaging and passing the LNG was heated as well for other side of the Egypt I think. And what would you see? Do you see like are heading to a world war or do you see any United nations or anybody will try to stop all of these demons?
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George Galloway
Well, not the United nations you can forget about. They have no power and such influence as they once had has long wind. It's good that you brought up the ship. For those who don't know, Ukraine deliberately tried to go to war with Iran so they could merge the Ukraine war and the Iran war so they could draw the United States which is deeply involved in the Iran war, but only superficially involved or unofficially involved in the Ukraine war. If unofficially describes the endless supply of weapons, intelligence specialists and so on. But you know what I mean. They're not actual belligerents in the Ukraine war and Zelenskyy tried to end that. So he fired a missile at an Iranian ship in the Caspian Sea and struck it and killed an Iranian sailor. Following his meeting with Trump yesterday, Zelensky issued a statement saying that he did not seek escalation with Iran, that the whole affair had been an accident. This after boasting about it and justifying it the day or two days before it. And Iran has not answered Zelenskyy in full yet. It's not for me to advise the Iranian government, but I personally would not accept Zelenskyy's semi apology. He's offered to pay compensation to the sailor he killed. How do you compensate the family of a sailor that you killed willfully and now want people to describe it as a mistake? If I was Iran, I'd be taking this all the way. I. I'd be taking it to the International Court, I'd be taking it to the United States Nations Security Council, I'd be taking it as far as I possibly could and I'd want a full
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Co-host/Producer
accountability for the murder of an Iranian sailor.
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George Galloway
I saw the statement by Mr. Pizeschkian, the President of Iran and I'll just say I didn't think it went far enough and I hope the Iranians will take this matter extremely seriously because you never know when it suits him. Zelensky will do it again, perhaps with
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Who knew?
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I thought it was a northern thing. On the pages of the Daily Mirror only Michael Kennedy says Burnham will be worse than Starmer Snow. NAM237 says how many millions of people in the west are cooperating in the western deceited media, working for governments, working with governments that lie, cheat and steal. And annam478 says as per the caller from Quebec, Mamdani already stated that legally he has no authority to arrest that genocidal Netanyahu even if he Maam Danny desires got a legend on the line.
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It's May in Oklahoma on personal responsibility.
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Always good to hear from you May. That's why you're a legend. What have you got for us tonight?
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Caller/Listener
Hi George, my dear hero. So good to talk to you. And as always, much love to you and your team and your wonderful Queen Gayatri. I admire you both so much. You're very brave and very caring. You know we talk a lot about the question tonight. Is Zelensky trying to get us into the war? Is Israel trying to get us into the war? Who's trying to get us into the war? You know, ultimately, as you say frequently, we're responsible for the government that we get, and the people in our government are responsible for the. Are responsible for the choices that they make. And unfortunately, kind. So are we. And so I just want to share, you know, we. We both talk a lot about morality and spirituality, and I just think it's very important that everybody listening take responsibility for what they're saying to their government, what they're doing. Of course, we have to protect ourselves like you have, and try not to go to jail and try not to be robbed like Scott Ritter was. But on the other hand, Scott Ritter's still talking, you're still talking, we're still talking, or at least still expressing our opinion. And so as your. As your audience grows, I think it's because people are talking and their response is. And they're sharing how they feel about things and making sure that other people know how important all that is.
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So I just.
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I wanted to share that with you because you're very inspirational to other people because you are a very responsible man. And speaking of responsibility, I just want to tell you how concerned I am about Erobos. And if there's. I sent him a message, but I haven't heard back from him. So if there's anything I can do to help the Erobos project, whatever that ends up to be, I would love to do that. Because he's one of those people again, that speaks out, speaks his mind, speaks honestly, speaks profoundly. And it's a important that we keep looking deeper and deeper into our hearts and our minds and our souls and not let people encourage us to be shallow, because that shallowness that, oh, well, what can I do? That is what's destroying our world right now. So we have to.
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George Galloway
It's a beautiful call, May, as always. And only the hour makes me cut you short. Please forgive me. I'll deal with the Erobos thing first. Erobos is one of our wisest and best correspondents, for that's what you all are. You are correspondents from the places that you live and where you work and where you are active with a worldwide audience through the portal of the mother of all talk shows. And he is one of our wisest, most eloquent correspondents. And if we're hearing too little of him, it's because he's homeless. I sincerely pray that he is not offended by me saying so, but he's living in A shelter. And in a shelter where there is no. Where there is no Internet, often. And so he can't always be with us, otherwise he'd be on the air. And we're trying to help him, but you've no idea how difficult it is to help him. So we're on the case map. Please let the switchboard know how we can bring you into the loop. We've got to rescue Erobos, even if it means getting him out of New York City and relocating him. If he's legally allowed to do that, we've got to help Eerobos get back on his feet and at a proper microphone so that he can regularly report to us on the wider issues that you raise. And not for the first time, you are absolutely correct. And sometimes I gloss over it, other times I'm so despondent about it, I have to labour the point and both are wrong. But I've got to say, we do get the governments that we deserve because we may not have voted for them, but we didn't persuade enough other people not to vote for them. We didn't work well enough, we didn't work hard enough, we haven't honed our skills well enough. Otherwise, in your country and in mine, these war criminals would not keep getting elected. And you know, I used to say it during the Iraq War, the run up, when the slogan was not in my name, but it was in our name. Iraq was destroyed in our name. We opposed it, sure, but it was our army, our air force, our weapons and our government. Tony Blair, George W Bush, it was them that done it. And they done it in our name, my name and your name. Whether we liked it or not, they were acting in our name and the only solution is to get rid of them. And not enough of us are focused well enough, effectively enough, on that question.
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George Galloway
Go ahead, please, Charlie.
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Caller/Listener
Hello. I'm speaking on behalf of Charlie tonight, George, because his voice is almost gone. So he just wants me to tell you that he wants to send your family blessings and Godspeed in all that he does. And he does contribute to both your channel and your workers party and how you really feel about Andy Burnham, that a lot of us out here already know that he's a shill of fake and fraud and been warned about it long ago. So, you know, it's disgusting that he's just been put into power by those who think that he's going to get the job done. That Mr. The Harma I didn't get. And basically how would it work? You can't come back to this country. Why can't they give you assurances that you would be safe if you come back to this country?
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George Galloway
No, I wouldn't be safe. And at 72 years old, nearly with a pacemaker and a heart problem, I'm not prepared to risk being carted off under the Terrorism act because I know that there would be no bail and that the process would become the punishment and I would die in jail or somebody would be arranged to kill me in jail. And I have a very important job to do, which is to twice a week and then some on social media talk to not just our people, but the people of many lands and more and more millions of people. I just wrote a piece on Facebook and on Twitter the other day about China and it has. More than 2 million people have read it. An article about China. No pictures, no video. I've written an article. A lot of people are listening to me, a lot of people are reading me. And I cannot have that cut short by a stretch. In Belmarsh now, I have not, I hope it's obvious, committed any terrorism in my life. I'm the world's biggest enemy of terrorism without fear or favor. But you see, they have carefully defined terrorism to include disinformation. Now, disinformation is merely the information that the state doesn't like and doesn't want the mass of the population ever to see, hear or watch. So terrorism now includes disinformation and they think I am disinforming you with this show. I believe I'm informing you with this show. And moreover, I invite them to debate with me their information and my information and see what the public judges to be real information and misinformation. I stand ready for that. I'll do it in the Arbol hall if they'll give me the assurance that I'll not be dragged off to prison, that I'll not be arrested again. As to my good wife, she'll never go back. She has no reason to. She's an Indonesian citizen. For her, Indonesia is home.
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She's not going to be grilled by
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English police officers as to why her fingernail is painted in the Palestinian colors. Why would she? Why should she? She's the mother of three British children. And so it's been a wrench, but we've survived it and intend to speak as long as possible. And if they seek to silence me in other ways, well, they'll merely make my words bigger. They'll merely make my reputation bigger. They will, by making a martyr of me, amplify me. So for that reason, I'm not afraid
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of them and I'm not afraid of
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my them, because I'm a religious believer, because I believe that this is not all that there is, that there's another life, and entry to that other life is controlled by the Lord, as Lindsey
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Graham is probably finding out right now.
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George Galloway
Thank you for that call.
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It was a bad line, but I felt your spirit. Now, you can download the Moats podcast right now by scanning the QR code on your screen.
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George Galloway
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Qatar and Oman, and in the top 30 for politics in Malaysia, Egypt and Liberia. Thanks to everyone who watches the podcast, or listens rather to it. Your support has contributed to its growing popularity worldwide. Final call before Gayatri joins us. It's in England, Derek, in Cumbria on
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the council tax and illegal immigrants. Go ahead, Derek.
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Caller/Listener
George, what I'd like to say, first of all is jail for any for just simply asking questions. I am not inciting violence towards anyone. What I would like to say, surely if the council are spending people's money on illegal actions like illegal immigrants, it's in the name that must be an illegal action by the councils. Is it not illegal?
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George Galloway
Well, I don't know. Yeah, go on, go on, go on.
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Caller/Listener
Is it not illegal in the UK to support, financially support criminals?
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George Galloway
Well, there's probably counter legal obligation on the authorities to ensure that nobody lies down in our street and starves to death. Least of all their children should not lie down on our steps and starve to death. So there will be a countervailing legal requirement on local authorities to ensure that the basic means of life are afforded to anyone who happens to be in our country. The issue is, why are these illegal immigrants not packed off back to where they came from quicker than they are? I was a Member of Parliament across five decades. I've dealt with a lot of asylum seekers, as we used to call them illegal immigrants as you're calling them. Well everybody has the right to claim asylum. But that asylum process should be dealt with speedily. And they always tell us that, that there's a backlog of years. Well why is there a backlog of years? Why can't we empanel lawyers to form tribunals to deal with people's cases properly but expeditiously so that the British taxpayer is not paying. Brace yourself for this Derek. 330 pounds per night per asylum seeker for a hotel room. 330 pounds per night, potentially forever for every case. That's an abuse. It's an abuse of the hard working British people. And it's astounding that our people have put up with this for so long. But they do. They keep electing and re electing the very politicians that have created fashioned, have been responsible for this very system. Now tax is high, very high on working people in Britain and there are many needs of our people, all our people. It shouldn't be being paid to cheap landlords and cheap hoteliers to profit society. Some of them have become multimillionaires on the back of these payments of £330 per day. So everybody's got a right to claim asylum. You better hope Derek, that you never have to. I can't be as sanguine as you might be that you want. I certainly am not sanguine about my own situation. Maybe I will have to become an asylum seeker somewhere. Hopefully not, but maybe I will. So be careful what you wish for. If your wish is that people should not have that right legally enshrined in the convention or human rights. But your case should be dealt with a lot faster than it is. Me and the Workers Party we are completely against illegal immigration. We're completely against mass immigration. I mean it's not rocket science. We are the Workers Party. Our job is to defend the the workers. And a big increase in labor supply is not in the interests of the workers. Because as any fool knoweth, a greater supply means a fall in the price of labor, the wages of labor. Because the Boscan say I used to negotiate at Michelin Tires if the boss was able to say you want what per hour? I've got 10,000 people outside there that'll do it for half of what you are earning.
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Where would that leave my bargaining position?
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So we're against mass immigration. We believe that mass immigration impoverishes the donor country and threatens the wages and conditions of the people in the receiving country. We believe in making other countries as prosperous as we once were so that they can stay in their own countries. We are forced to stopping wars against whole continents so that the people who flee those wars don't have to flee to Cumbria. So it's a complicated question, Derek. I appreciate that. Like the curate's egg, my answer for you will have been good in parts,
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but it is my answer. It is our answer. Thanks for the call.
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George Galloway
And now here's the woman without whom the news wouldn't be the news.
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Here's Gayatri.
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George Galloway
What's rattling Gayatri?
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Gayatri
So, 10 years ago today, Mohammed Al Jelani revealed his face for the very first time as the leader of of Jabhat al Nusra, announcing to the camera that he was splitting from Al Qaeda, rebranding his group under a different name. And as we know now, this rebranding continued through a very good American PR agency all the way to Su10tai because they can turn a terrorist into a president who gets a red carpet reception at the White House. And whilst we're at it, may I present to you the very first diplomat of the new Syria in the us, Mohammed Qanatry. And surprise, surprise, turns out that he was an Al Qaeda member who kidnapped the American journalist Lindsey Snell 10 years ago. Meanwhile, Israel expands into Syria beyond Golan Heights, which is spearheaded by this ultra nationalist Israeli group called the Pioneers Bahan. Yeah, the Pioneers of Bashan, who aim to establish an Israeli settlement inside Syria. And finally, as it all comes down to Palestine, I'd like to close the show by honoring Chris Affleck, the modern mother of Ben Affleck, who was a very, very brave woman to whom the very central cause of her life was Palestine.
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George Galloway
Amen. A very great woman indeed, with a fine son who does what he can in Hollywood, where it's difficult, wicket, to support Palestine as a Hollywood movie star. So I didn't know they were trying for this settlement. Is there anywhere they're not trying to make a settlement?
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Gayatri
I know, right?
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George Galloway
They've already got Gaza, they've already got the west bank, they've already taken Jerusalem, they've already taken the Golan Heights, and now they're taking a part of Syria. They're taking, as you described last week, apart from of the Philippines, they've already taken a part of Cyprus, they're now taking parts of Greece. Is there any limit? I mean, how many of these people are there? There's only 9 million Israelis. How can they possibly have the kind of power and reach that they do? The answer has to be the collapse collaboration of others. The collaboration of Western governments, Western media, and, let's face it, a success. A section of the Western public. Am I right?
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Gayatri
Yes, yes, indeed, indeed. Not until. They won't finish until they've got all of it. Really. Wow.
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George Galloway
They really do think they are. Are God's chosen people. And Lindsey Graham thought that too. But God decides which people he chooses. And if he's chosen Lindsey Graham to be at his right hand this evening. I'm a Dutchman and I assure you I ain't a Dutchman. It's been marvellous, though, for us. I hope it was for you. And if it was, Please join us on Sunday for the mothership. There is nowhere else you will get guests of the caliber that we are serving up that will give you a monologue like my monologues. And that will give you a wife as beautiful. Beautiful and clever as Gayatri. We've got it all. Join us on Sunday. It's the mother of all
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talk shows.
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George Galloway
It's the mother of all
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talk shows.
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George Galloway
It's the mother
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Scott Ritter
of all
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duck shoes.
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George Galloway
Go get them, George.