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MOATS with George Galloway
USA 0 : IRAN WON | Day 110 | Trump nul points | Tehran triumph | Burnham factor | Starmer, the end
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It was the Russians what done it. The Ukrainian rent boy.
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The trial is over. Now we can all speak freely. Who's that at the door, honey? And the Europeans are cowed, dog, like at the feet of Donald Trump in the Evian today. More from the genocide. Seven in just a minute. And another school bus has been rocketed in Russia, this time in Bryansk, this time containing a school football team, their parents and their teachers. The coach is dead and five of the players, the children, are mutilated. And, well, this is the last 24 hours of Keir Starmer's premiership. Call me the mob happy, you ain't seen nothing yet. It's the mother of all talk shows. Stay tuned. You are listening to the mother of all talk shows podcast with George Galloway. At least seven are maimed, seriously wounded. One at least is dead in Bryansk in Russia, when a targeted, deliberately aimed Ukrainian drone made by the European Union, about whom more in a minute, smashed into the coach early this morning. The football players, young football players, maybe like your sons, maybe like your grandsons or granddaughters, was deliberately targeted. And the blood is lying all over the highway. It was the European Union what done it. The Ukrainians. May I say may, though that is a difficult thing to establish. Some things are difficult to establish, but it isn't difficult to establish that the means by which these children are being murdered in their buses, in their dormitories. Clear enough. It is the European Union which is murdering and maiming these children. Mind you, the European Union is very concerned about children. That's why they're ensuring that no child under 16 can watch TikTok or log on to Facebook. A woman wrote to me today with an autistic son who is absolutely dependent on. On social media, but not for much longer if Keir Starmer has his way. And more about him in a minute. Also, the movement, as Macron calls it, started in France. It's now spread to Britain. And the utterly discredited British Prime Minister boasted that he has now determined that it will be illegal for people under the age of 16 to log on to social media. It's all about protecting the children, you see. As long as they're not Russian children, as long as they're not Belarusian children, as long as they're not Lebanese children, as long as they're not Palestinian children, as long as they're not children in Gaza, as long as they're not children who are victims. And to the multiple imperialist wars fueled funded by the very same hypocrites who are so very worried about our children logging on to TikTok. But the real reason, of course, has nothing to do with children at all. Because in order to prove that you are not a child, you'll have to prove who you are before you log on to the Internet. And VPNs are going to be rendered null and void, according to Liz Kendall, 4.5% of the vote in the Labour leadership election in 2015. Liz Kendall is the hatchet face who has been put in charge of ensuring the ruthless extirpation of social media. She's being advised by people who put in writing their intention to, and I quote, kill Musk's Twitter. Well, they may or they may not kill it, but they are definitely determined to kill your right to privacy. Because, as I say, in order to prove that you're not a child under 16, you'll have to prove exactly who you are and that information will be stored and everything thereafter that you do, across the entire gamut of the Internet. You get what I'm saying? You get what I'm saying? Will be logged by the state, and the state will know it and know it forever, and may very well choose to use it against you. They may very well choose to blackmail you with it. They may very well choose to blacklist you with it. They may very well choose to debank you to make you redundant from your job. And there'll be no hiding place because you will have confirmed who you are in order to prove that you are not under 16. So these hypocrites are determined on an increasingly authoritarian, tyrannical, actually system of government which is now operating on multiple levels. It's not just the government, it's not just the Parliament. Although the Parliament will again be put through hundreds of hours to rescue the failed suicide bill that the government tried to pass in the last parliamentary session. They're obsessed by death, these people. They're obsessed by the medical cleansing of the chronically sick, the medical cleansing of the severely disabled, the medical cleansing of the merely depressed. And one day, mark my words, hope I'm gone by then. But mark my watch, you younger viewers. One day they will want to medically cleanse all kinds of people that it seems now impossible to imagine that they would once they can. Eventually they will. But I'm digressing. These are the last hours of Keir Starmer's premiership. How come? Well, tomorrow evening, by a landslide, it's being widely predicted his successor, the current Mayor of Manchester, Andy Burnham, will return to Parliament with a victory in the parliamentary by election in Mackerfield the Greens threw the election. I mean, they literally threw it. They threw it because they want a coalition with Andy Burnham, the famous labor friend of Israel. The reform threw it by putting up a guy that you wouldn't allow to hold the leash of your dog while you went into the public lavatory. And, in fact, you might be lucky to see your dog again if you did reform through it and the Greens threw it. Some crazed outfit backed by the trillionaire Elon Musk called Restore Britain have stood to divide the Reform vote in order to ensure that reform have thrown it. And so Burnham is going to win. And that means he will no longer be the mayor of Greater Manchester. I'm hoping that that will be me. But that's another matter. The victory of Andy Burnham will immediately lead to a leadership challenge. It has to. Either Burnham has to immediately challenge Starmer for the leadership or somebody else will, and he'll have to belatedly join in because the rival candidates. And to my surprise, there is more than one. After all, about more whom later, the rival candidates know that the longer Burnham is in there, the more chance he has of capturing the Premiership and the keys to number 10 Downing street so I'm expecting an immediate challenge to be mounted. And that challenge will be mounted by Wesley Streeting, the erstwhile Health Secretary, a Blairite extraordinaire, but one with a bit more about him, frankly, than some of the other candidates, one of whom is a man called Al Carnes, with whom I clashed on Twitter just yesterday. Who he? I can hear you even in Birmingham, Selley Oak, his constituency asking. Well, it turns out he's from Aberdeen. I knew I detected an Anglicized Scottish twang in his discourse. Who is he? Well, until just over a year ago, he was a colonel in the Royal Marines. And he looks like it. He looks like he's actually jumped out of a number of moving vehicles and landed on his head in error. Al Carnes was a colonel in the Royal Marines before becoming a Labour Member of Parliament. Connections to Labour are completely absent from his cv, although he was the Military Affairs Advisor to not one, not two, but three Conservative Party Defence Ministers before entering Parliament. He made a leadership speech in the House yesterday. I watched it today. To say it was the speech of an alien being would be a complete underestimation. Alcorns not only has no connection whatsoever to the Labour movement that I spent so many decades of my life in, he has no connection to the reality lived by the British people. He thinks you want to cut benefits, cut pensions by unlocking the triple lock. He thinks you think your health service should get worse so that we can buy more drones. Actually, he droned and droned and droned about drones. This man is already fighting the next world war, apparently oblivious to the fact that the Royal Marines were won't even have time to reach the front. And neither will anyone else, because we'll all be dead. Our island, green and pleasant, will be burnt cinder and ash in a nuclear conflagration. But he is gung ho to fight the Russians, and although he's now too old for combat himself, of course he's dead keen on your son and your daughter fighting the Russians. So Andy Burnham will have to announce immediately that he is creating a leadership challenge. And of course he will almost certainly win it. One of them will definitely win it. Keir Starmer, I predict, will not even stand. So his last act of any significance was to be ignored by Donald J Trump, completely standing there like a shy man at a party whom nobody recognizes. Or if they recognize him, they certainly don't want to make eye contact with him unless they've got to speak to him and share a moment or two. Keir Starmer is a block of wood, as I first told you, from this very studio on the day that he was elected as the Labour leader. I even produced a block of wood to sit next to me on that occasion. Maybe we've got a picture of it. But he's rotten wood now, mildewed and for the knacker's yard, so say a limited hallelujah. At least we got rid of the Prime Minister. And I like to think I played at least some role in the defenestration of the worst Prime Minister Britain has ever had. Now I want to turn to a vexed issue. That vexed issue is the issue of the Ukrainian rent boy 3. There was actually a fourth, and it's never been explained what happened to him. A fourth? Maybe turned Queen's evidence, King's evidence, I don't know. But there was a fourth arrest, but he was never charged. At least he never appeared on trial. But three of them did. One of them is as pure as the driven snow, was acquitted, is entirely an innocent man. So about whom we shall say no more. But the two guilty men, Ukrainian fanatics, anti Russian fanatics, rent boys. The British media is now trying to pretend that to call them rent boys is some kind of Russian smear. But I've seen the rent boy pictures. They're now telling us they're not rent boy pictures, they are modelling pictures. Do you Know the difference? The they are modelling pictures, modelling vests, modelling underpants, modelling their very youthful and lithe physiques. They both got Grinder accounts. Now, some of my gay friends tell me that Grinder accounts are where homosexuals ply their trade tout for partners and good luck to them. Everybody should have the freedom. As long as it's consenting adults. I have nothing against them. But to say that two Ukrainians who put pictures of themselves in their vests and pants doing press ups, showing their muscles, showing their thighs on social media, on a Grindr account, cannot possibly be described as rent boys or you're a Russian agent, if you do say the rent boys. Well, I'm saying the rent boys now, although in the court, and we're about to hear from the Oracle, the only man in Britain who sat through the entire trial, Crispin Flintoff, you've seen him before, but let me. The judge ruled that there could be no evidence led or heard as to who was behind the dastardly scorching of Keir Starmer's former back door, front door. I'm not sure now which it was. There could be no speculation as to any motive. The motive, he said, was completely irrelevant and would not be permitted in the trial. But that didn't stop the BBC. In fact, the BBC Panorama aired just hours after the guilty verdicts and showed very clear hallmarks of being a joint state. BBC production material from the trial, CCTV pictures that could only have been obtained through the court were featured in the BBC. And so was I with my good wife in a picture that belongs to us and for which the Daily Telegraph has not paid and neither has Panorama. And a clip of Moats was shown on Panorama, again without permission, a clear breach of copyright. And they'll be hearing from our solicitors. This was done in order to boost the narrative that it was the Russians what done it. Now, let me say right up front, I have no idea if the Russians done it. I have no idea whether MI5 done it, MI6 done it, the SBU done it, the CIA done it. I have not seen any evidence of any intelligence services doing it. And frankly, so risible was this entire operation. Any intelligence service that did done it would be embarrassed to admit that they'd done it. So farcical, so ridiculous, so tawdry, dog eared an operation was it? I don't rule out that the Russians done it any more than I rule out that the Ukrainians done it. I don't rule out anything. I urge people to study more, to read more, to listen more, and to go into the garden where a thousand flowers bloom, smell them all and pick the most fragrant to you. Unlike the BBC, of course, which is a monoculture which allows only one weed to grow. And that weed is to blame everything that goes wrong in Keir Starmer's Briton on the Russians. I'll just say this as a student of Kim Philby, Donald Maclean, Sir Anthony Blunt and Francis Cairncross. If I were the kgb, I'd be ashamed if with all the resources available to me, all I could do was find two Ukrainian rent boys on Grindr and pay them peanuts to set fire to the wrong car and the wrong house. You call that an intelligence operation? And so for that reason, I'm kind of exculpating all of the intelligence agencies until someone shows me the evidence that might prove convincing. At Evian today, he looked a beaten man, didn't he, Sir Keir, maybe our first guest will have a view on that too. Coming up, it's Crispin Flintoff, the man who knows what happened, what really happened in the Curious case of The Ukrainian rent boy.
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Stay tuned. You are listening to the mother of all talk shows podcast with George Galloway. Wow, 30,000 people have voted already. Has Iran won the war? Yes or no? It's not looking good, Donnie. Not looking good. Has Iran won the war? You can vote on Telegram T me George Galloway. You can vote on my X on the as only a very small number of people have been permitted by Mr. Musk to do. You can vote on my Telegram T me George Galloway on my x, on the YouTube community poll, on the YouTube stream and on patreon.com George Galloway, if you want to call the show, it's toll free in the US and Canada. Plus 1844-944-3344. It's free of charge in Britain and Ireland. 0808-196552 and the worldwide number is 00442-039-6626. Now, I did tell you that the Oracle was joining us. Crispin Flintoff, presenter of the Crispin Flintoff Show. He knows everything about Geir Starmer, everything about Labour. He used to be in it, but no longer. But he still knows everything that happened in the Ukrainian trial because unlike virtually any, every other so called journalist in Britain, he actually attended it. Crispin, welcome back to the mother of all talk shows. Your last appearance was a very big hit. I know that it took it out of you. It was, I have no doubt, a searing experience to have to Listen to all that stuff in the courtroom. But now that the results are in, two guilty verdicts, what's your overall summary of the proceedings?
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You did a very good summary yourself, George. I have to say it stitch up is something I'm just getting a bit used to with the courts, as we saw on Friday with the Filton 4. And then we saw the government appeal for the prescription of Palestine action, both of them, very quickly. And then the next day we've got this, this verdict. Now I was chewing over all my notes, four notebooks worth of it, and then suddenly the BBC come out with a main story. It's the Russians, as you say, the Russians what done it. And then I'm looking at that and then I see Panoramas come out of half. Half an hour Panorama and within half an hour of the BBC main story. And I was going to try and do a really, you know, poetic court report, you know, also sort of showing how ridiculous the whole case was. And they've just thrust this story out and no other media has not copied and pasted. They've all copied and pasted the narrative. It's Russia that did it. They've all just jumped to conclusions based on this Panorama and BBC article, which I'll. I'll go into in a bit. But I just want to say, to start with, that if the war in Ukraine had not. Was not going on and there had been a peace deal and the UK and the USA and the EU weren't investing heavily in that war, this trial would not have happened. Those two men would not be in jail and the other would never have been in custody for a year. Starmer's old car would have been in good nick. And it's two. The, the two doors would not have had a little bit of burn on the outside, so that could have saved a lot. I think the Ukraine war is very significant. What I heard in this case was the poverty, the desperation of three men who have no home. They can't go back to Ukraine because they'll be conscripted. So they're, they're ducking and diving in London. So there's an underclass created by that war. But the thing that you mentioned as well before is about the trial. The, the judge made it very clear from the start we can't talk and speculate about the motive for the arson. We can't talk about K Star, we can't talk about the Prime Minister. There's so many things that we can't talk about, but mainly we can't talk about who El Money is, which is this figure that was supposedly going to pay the main suspect for the arson. The barristers who were defending the arsonist were trying desperately to get more information on El Money, but the judge blocked it in. You know what? Not when the jury were there. We heard this in a closed court and then, and then we just had this bizarre trial where these three were just being accused of general arson, even though they'd been in Belmarsh for a year, maximum security jail. One of them was arrested at Luton Airport with, under the terrorism Act, Schedule 7. I think that might be the one that you were arrested on, George. I'm not sure. But the fact that terrorism, the Counter Terrorism police arrested them as well, that. That wasn't in keeping with what the trial was about. So it was all about just how did they go about the arson, what accelerant. They used the messages between them and they were all using Telegram. And the guy, the main character, Roman Levrinovich, he failed to get rid of his phone. So the police had all his messages, but then they censored what was coming out from them. They. They said what was relevant of the messages and they only revealed that to the court. So we didn't get every single message. And what I did in the court was I stayed awake for 21 days noting down anything that was said that might be of interest, that might not go along with the narrative they were trying to construct. And I, as I say, I went through four notebooks on this. I don't know how much time I've got. There's quite a lot of stuff I can say. I mean, would you like me to tell you some of the things that don't make sense?
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I would. Go ahead. Yes, go ahead.
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Well, the first thing is. The first thing is they talk about that. So the first thing I want to say is there's no explanation for how they caught the first suspect. How did they manage to get him within six hours of him being on ITV News, that the story being released on ITV News, There was no closed circuit TV asking for people to reveal who, who is this bloke? How would they know where he lived? That was never explained to the court. I therefore think that there was some kind of insider information and I can't imagine that one of his close contacts would have given him away. So that is hanging over the whole thing. How did they actually get hold of him? The second thing I find really difficult to understand is the main suspect was saying he was skinned, he had no money, he needed this money to do this arson. Yeah. Now on in February 2025, so three months before the crime, he sent a Dakia Duster five door hatchback worth £3,000 to Ukraine. So three months before, he bought a second hand car for £3,000, shipped it to Ukraine and then. Only this is unbelievable. This one, the same month as the first arson, he sent a BMW estate to Ukraine worth £4,000. Now, when his barrister asked him those questions about how he helped his father in Ukraine and he came out with those massive investments that he sent over there, the barrister didn't say, oh, that's really weird, or can you tell us more? How do you get that money? It just closed, that was the end of the conversation. And none of the other barristers responded to that. The prosecution didn't respond to it. That was just left hanging. And no one has mentioned that in the, in the reports. Not mentioned at all. I did. If I hadn't, if I had not fall, if I'd fallen asleep, then that would have got free, but I didn't. So that's one thing, but the other thing that is, there's a lot of other things, but he had a. He set up a company in March. So two months before this, Sorry, this is the main arsonist. He set up a company two months before the, the first car arson and that company had six bank accounts. This guy who set up this company was getting yet six bank accounts. That was in court. This guy was getting paid 30 pounds for a removal job or he was getting paid 20 pounds to put up racist graffiti on Islamic centers. How is he spending all this money on these vehicles and setting up a company with six bank accounts. I don't even know how you can set up a company on six bank accounts. Especially when the main argument from the defense of him was that he was low IQ. He was supposed to be IQ of 70, but he set up seven or six, sorry, six bank accounts and he sent these cars over. Now I want to talk about something else, can I carry on? I want to talk about the Red Boy thing, because that's the big thing that the Panorama have tried to say is a load of nonsense, although it is. If you look at the Panorama and the article, it's a clearly ad hominem attack on you and Tommy Robinson. It's saying George Galloway and Tommy Robinson said it was rent boys. So therefore, look, we don't trust George Galloway and Tommy Robinson, do we? George Galloway's been to Russia, that's enough to disprove what he's saying. But the thing is in the court, it was quite clear that the barristers and the judge were trying to get to quell the rent boy story by coming out with little details that were pointless. One of them was that the main suspect had a girlfriend. He had a girlfriend in. Where did she live again? Victoria. And she lived in Surrey Quays. And it was totally irrelevant. And the reason why I say it was totally irrelevant as well is because the jury later on asked the court, can we have some information about the third suspect? Does he have a girlfriend? Because they thought that was a relevant question as they raised it in the court. And the judge said to them, you cannot speculate on that. So why was it that one could have a girlfriend, but you couldn't ask about the third one if he had a girlfriend? The third one as well, I have to say, on the night of one of the fires on one of the houses, he was being phoned up frantically by the first suspect, the one who's been guilty. Sorry. And he was hanging out in Freddie Mercury's favorite old haunt in Notting Hill Gate, the Champions Pub. Now, I'm not. He lived, he worked in Paddington and he went to the Champions Pub in Notting Hill Gate. Now, I know that area quite well. It's at least a mile to get there. If you come out of work, you'd probably just go to a pub in Paddington. You wouldn't go to Notting Hill Gate. And the fact it was an old haunt of Freddie Mercury, I don't really know if it's a gay pub or not, but it, it, it might have that kind of air to it. The modeling was another thing. This is a weird one. The third suspect, he was in, in the witness stand and his barrister said, I'm going to show you an embarrassing picture now. And I couldn't see what it was. And I was thinking, is it something to do with what red boys do or something? I didn't know. And then, and then what. What it was, was he said, can you tell us what's going on there? And I was sort of intrigued. Cause I couldn't see it. And he said, oh, I'm doing some modeling there. I did some modeling when I was younger, but it didn't work out. He sort of did his story, but it didn't work out. That was a total dead end. There was nowhere. That wasn't going anywhere, that conversation. It was something to throw out to us to acknowledge that there was something of modeling going on. It didn't mention the fact that the main suspect, the main arsonist had done modeling too. That wasn't included in the whole trial. So why had they thrown it out? About the third one, but not the first one, that was inconsistent. And the thing that kind of struck me a lot was the third suspect, the one who was in the Champions pub, who works in a hotel. This barrister said to him, how much money did you have? You were desperate for this, to get this money for this arson. We've looked at your bank accounts, how much money you have? They said, I think I had a thousand pounds in my accounts. He said, you had five bank accounts, and in those five bank accounts you had 214 pounds and 28 pence. And this, this guy said, I don't remember that. And he said, well, that's what we found. You've only had £214 and 28 pence, so you must have been desperate. And his tone was so like, don't be ridiculous. He said, I always have cash in. I get a lot of cash in hand for my work. He said, but he worked in a hotel and he had a wage slip. He had a monthly. He had a monthly wage slip. Where's this cash in hand coming from? I mean, the stuff doesn't add up. And I put a tweet out on this and actually the barrister who represented the man who was let off acquitted, he replied to it and he said in his tweet, I still find my head pickled over what real underlying truths were never exposed. That was the barrister who represented one of the defendants. And the thing that was said in the court was, was that all, all the evidence was given to the defense. So if this man couldn't understand what was happening and he was pickled by what's happening, it means that not all the evidence was presented to the barristers as much as not all the evidence was said in the court. And I agree with what you said. I don't know if it's Russians or whoever, but it just has been a massive cover up. And that makes me think that there's something really sinister that's really going on. And, you know, I'm worried that they'll do some kind of dirty on me if I put my blog out that I'm going to write. So, you know, I've put, God,
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don't go to any pubs that have got that air about them. Listen, Crispin, I wish we had all night, but we don't. So just let me ask this point because this has been bugging me. It was said that El Mani was a fluent Russian speaker, but that he also was a fluent Ukrainian speaker. Now, for those who don't know, every Ukrainian can speak Russian, but virtually no Russians can speak Ukrainian. Even those that live in Ukraine and are Russian speakers, certainly not in the rest of Russia. I can see no evidence that the accused ever actually spoke to El Money, as opposed to exchanging messages with them, in which case, how could they know that he spoke fluent Russian?
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That was one point I forgot to go into. Thank you for reminding me. Now, the main suspect who was in conversation with El Money, he made a point of calling El Money they. And when he said that, his barrister asked him what he meant and he said, sometimes they speak in Russian, sometimes they speak in Ukrainian. He said at one point, there are different people. He described one exchange in which a woman said her husband would check something. So it was a woman replying Azale Money saying, my husband will check something, and said there was at least one woman involved, possibly more, or at least two or three men. So it wasn't even one person. So if you look at the BBC and the Panorama, they identify El Money as one person who happens to have the initials el, that one person as well. If you look at the Panorama, it's laughable because the thing on the Panorama is they reckon that the BBC can find out who someone is who's very careful and cautious in their exchanges with the arsonists, saying, get rid of your phone use, disappearing messages, don't ever talk to me again. They reckon that they can find someone on Telegram who's putting their picture, their ID where their dad works, and it's, you know, they're that naive and stupid. So when you say the story about them, you know, the old spies of the past, you know, this is. This is an embarrassment to them. I mean, this is even more of an embarrassment. Imagine a Russian agent going on Telegram, giving his ID and his picture and his dad's job. It's just incredible. And the fact that they say it in this tone. And also, there's one other thing I have to say about the Panorama program is there was a woman in the court all the time, a Ukrainian woman who was watching it, who in the Panorama is used as the interpreter and the translator, and she does an interview with someone who's a Ukrainian state agent, effectively, to say, what's all this about now? What would you think a Ukrainian state asset would say about this case, other than it's Russia what done it? I mean, it's. It's ridiculous. It's so ridiculous that I'm ashamed of that. The court send the BBC, really, it's appalling.
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Indeed so. And as for us, all we wanted was to get to the bottom of it, if you know what I mean. This could actually all have been something personal, maybe deeply personal. We wanted to penetrate the carapace of state deceit over many, many decades, all of my life actually, in relation to matters Russian, matters Soviet matters Ukrainian. And we'll go on probing whether Panorama likes it or not. We will probe until we get the breakthrough. Crispin Flintoff, more power to your show. An absolute must see every weekend. And I take my hat off to you. You've been marvellous. That was Crispin Flintoff, presenter of the Crispin Flintoff Show. And I need to take a break and cool down. I'll be back in a minute. You are listening to the mother of all talk shows podcast with George Galloway. Has Iran won the war? That's the poll this evening. It's rather one sided. So quantum is the only issue. Yes or no, has Iran won the war? Can vote on telegram on x, on the YouTube community poll, on the YouTube stream and on patreon.com George Galloway. It's toll free to call the show in the US and Canada, 1-844-944-3344. It's free of charge in Britain and Ireland. 0808-196-5522 and the international worldwide number for everyone else else is 0402-020396-62625. Let's go to Miami. Who wouldn't Where Joan wants to talk about Trump at the Genocide 7 summit. Go ahead, Joan.
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Hi, George, how are you?
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Yeah, I'm good. What would you like to say?
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First of all, I agree that Iran has won. I've reviewed the 14 points that was published by Bloomberg and noted a few things which also was reported by Reuters. The $300 billion fund that will go into this sludge fund to promote peace between the US and Iran, half of it has already been put up front. The other $115 billion will come from US taxpayer money. So I definitely think the US is getting tired of winning. And this is how we're. The joke is this is how I ran out of money. Now, notably, Josh Kirchner previously proposed this as part of the previous attempts at a peace deal. So that's not something. It's come into place here. While the globalists look to take up other properties around the world, including, I'm sure you've heard of the Albanian island, that we're also not just Trump's family. Kushner but also Israel, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are also benefiting as part of that funding of Krishna's Infinity Organization. I'm sure you've done some research on that now. And then the other point that I thought was interesting was a bit about Lebanon, where it's proposing that perhaps we, the US Might be stepping away from Israel. But, of course, you know, we've seen, you know, the recent, I'm sure you've heard of this as well, the NDAA 224 that combines the US and Israeli military. And then there's also the intelligence authorization Act662, where we're going to be sharing intelligence. So it's quite hard to imagine the US Will be stepping away from Israel anytime soon with those two acts.
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I'll tell you what, Joan, your left leg cannot step away from your right leg because they are part of the same body, and the United States and Israel are part of the same body. They are one thing. They are the same thing. And I'm one of those who believes that, you know, whilst your left leg can be annoyed about how badly your right leg executed that shot on goal, it's meaningless distinction. It's a distinction without a difference, because they are one thing. And, of course, politicians are here today, gone tomorrow. Donald Trump's 80 years old and looking every day of it and smelling every day of it. As people close to him have personally told me, his decay is obvious. Netanyahu also. It would be a surprise to me if Netanyahu were to be reelected. It would be a surprise to me if Netanyahu were to remain out of prison. Seems to me the court is determined to find him guilty of corruption, and I think he's beginning to see that, too. So these two leaders are metaphorically not long for this world, this political power, and will be replaced by someone else, and new dynamics will occur. But the fundamental conflation between the United States and Israel will not change until the head, which is undoubtedly the United States, has a whole new napper on it. So the other points you make are no doubt fascinating. I remember being in Albania with a parliamentary colleague of mine, Steve Norris, Conservative minister, former mayoral candidate in London, Steve Norris and I sat on a cliff looking at the very piece of coast that Kushner has been permitted to buy, though I suspect that that purchase will not go through either, because the people are on the march in Albania. And although the proximate reason is this coastline and the beauty and natural importance of it and the ugliness of those who wish to buy it the problems of the Albanian people and their unhappiness, their with their ruling elite goes much wider than that. And I'll be surprised if this government in Albania survives this particular crisis. I wouldn't, if I were in Lebanon put the kettle on for peace and an Israeli withdrawal from the occupied land of Lebanon, and I wouldn't if I was in Iranian, put the kettle on for any kind of long term peace between my country and the United States. It seems to me that this is all a face saving exercise. I don't believe there will be 300 billions given by anybody. More likely, 300 billions has been taken and stolen by the oligarchy in the United States States in just the last months of war, Certainly more than 300 billion has been made by Trump, his family and his cronies on what are clearly illegal trades on the stock market where the market is being deliberately manipulated with insider knowledge that only Trump and his circle can possibly be privy too. At least at the moment at which these bets, for that's what they are, are put on the stock market. So good for you in Miami for supporting all of that. Let's hope the American people can see it as clearly as you can. Now you can leave comments on YouTube, just scan the QR code. Now leave a comment and I'll try and read it out like this. D1 new old school, new old school. Inspector Clouseau can do a better job. That's in relation to the rent boy 3 Tom Clare says there is no such thing as justice in Britain. The courts are rancid and corrupt and the Lycia. So Smalley says Clearly it was MI6 but a side job to blame the Russians to gain support for the war. That is of course a perfectly plausible explanation. Though it would mean that MI6 was no longer James Bond, but more Mr. Bean, more Austin Powers. Captain Blimp 7590 says, I was a barman at the Church Champions pub many years ago. It has always been a gay haunt. I was straight, by the way, Captain, my captain. Thank you for clearing that matter up. Jack Springs 7709 says panorama bananarama more like. And David Bell 525 says, brilliantly entertaining. George couldn't stop laughing on how true you tell it. Keep it coming. Mahmoud is in Canada to talk about Scotland in the World Cup. Go ahead, Mahmoud.
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Hello, George. And two thumbs up to you, sir. And to Team Galloway for your flawless, very informative and highly entertaining live show.
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Sir.
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Pleasure, sir. If I may beg for a moment or two, if I may to acknowledge and to celebrate Scottish Scotland's major accomplishment
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at the World cup, which may have
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been slightly eclipsed by other global affairs. And after a long hiatus, the Scottish squad is back. They won the first game. They're on top of their group ahead of Brazil. A great performance by McTominay and the rest of the team. Well done, Scotland and all the best going forward.
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What a very kind thing for you to say. I have not seen a single moment of the World Cup. Not because I'm boycotting it, though I probably should be, but just because I've been in time zones that are very far from conducive to the live games and not able to get access to catch up. But I haven't even seen the Scotland goal. But Super John McGinn did score it. My sons are keeping me posted. The last I heard was that Portugal, which is our second team, are drawing with the Congo 1 one, which is slightly alarming indeed. But Scotland is a small country of 5 millions. You wouldn't expect us to win the World Cup. Although Uruguay is actually an even smaller country and they have won the World Cup, I think twice. So we live in hope. Our supporters are doing the country proud. They are taking Boston, Massachusetts by storm and in a good way. Nobody ever laments or regrets the Scotland football fans at international tournaments. Neither. The first one I attended 1974 in Frankfurt, then West Germany, where the people were crying because we had to go home, because they fell in love with us. God knows why, but they did. And it's true in every tournament. And some other countries leave quite such a lasting impression, or at least such a positive impression. And I'm sure glad that it's gone down well with you, Mahmoud. God bless you. Now, a special word of appreciation for some of tonight's top Moats donors who backed the program through the Motes TV website. Michael Broadbent, Kerry Pay, Clint Plekas, Robert MacKinnon and George J. Ashkar Jr. A big thanks to each and every one of you and a big thanks in advance for those who I know will not leave the scene tonight without going to that website, Moats tv, and leaving something. Even if it's only a pound, a dollar, a euro. Just click the Donate now button. You can give in any currency and you can give one off. Or you can give as a recurring donation. Let me take a quick break. Your calls are Next. Then at 8:30 it's the one and only Trita Parsi on the mother of all talk shows. You definitely don't want to miss him. Stay tuned and I'll be right back. You are listening to the mother of all talk shows podcast with George Galloway. So apparently some people, at least on the overseas numbers, are having difficulty getting through. Let me give you them again. In the US and Canada, it is toll free, plus 1, 844944, double 3, double 4. In Britain and Ireland, 080819655, double 2. And the worldwide number, 00442 03966, 2625. Mustafa in California has got through and he's next up, it's Mustafa in California. Mustafa, I have no idea what it is you want to talk about, so you're free to talk about anything you like, sir.
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Yes, good afternoon, this is Muzaffar the Martian. We spoke before.
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Words like corrupt indeed, yes. Nice to hear from you again.
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Words like corrupt, cruelty, tyranny, lying, genocide, hate, deceit, killers, thieves, despots and criminals. These are words in the English language, in the modest language model language where I hail from, we have only one word for all this. That word is Zionist. Okay, so keep that in mind. I noticed that you are things that still at each other's throat.
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Well, I think so. I mean, I don't see any great reasons for optimism. Of course. Every day night that people can sleep without a bomb crashing through their tent is of course a day to be grateful for. But I see no fundamental shift in anything much, except perhaps that Iran has demonstrated that it is the fourth most powerful country in the world. And that's not a small thing. Nobody, including me, expected Iran to emerge quite the victorious power that they have at the end of this period of fighting. They've won the battle. That much cannot be gainsaid. Not so much the war. The war will go on. In fact, it's just one long bloody war. It's only the location that moves. If you think about it, and you sound like that, like me, you're not a spring chicken. So let me just reprise them. When I was a child, Winston Churchill was still the Prime Minister, Britain was still under rationing, and the Second World War was only nine years distant. It hung like a cloud over my life. And moreover, the Korean War, the first of the main big post Second World War conflicts, had only just stilled, if indeed stilled. It had the Malayan Emergency, as it was known in Britain. In reality, the brutal, callous, murderous effort by the fading, failing British Empire to hold on to its colonies east of Suez. A conflict which, by the way, was significant for many reasons, not the least of which was The British paying bounties for severed heads of so called Malayan insurgents, though no one could tell if they were in fact insurgents because all that was left of them was the head being held up in the British soldiers hand and the person who brought the heads in got the bounty. Whether a local or whether a British serviceman, it scarcely matters which. And then no sooner was the Korean War which killed a fifth of all the people in Korea, then the Vietnam war was ready to start. And in a way, politically, that where I came in with the slight detour of thinking the world was going to come to an end in the Cuban missile crisis and listening to my mother and father talking about it as if this might be our last night on this dear green earth. The Vietnam War was a very radicalizing period for me and that was long before I had children of my own that could well have been Vietnamese. Look, Vietnamese. But the suffering and dying in Vietnam and the heroism of the risen people against the American empire, having earlier dispatched the French empire. And I could go on, but I'll take the whole show. It's just been one long bloody war. And all we can do is try to stop these wars. All we can do is try to obviate the underlying reasons for these wars, which for me, from my political perspective are the domination of the world for hundreds of years by Western colonialism, by exceptionalism, by supremacism. And until that supremacist, until that exceptionalist cast of mind is defeated and put into the history books and the museums where it belongs, I feel that these wars are going to continue such optimism as I feel only that these wars are being lost by the empire. And the losing of the war against Iran by Donald Trump is only the latest in a long line of significant defeats for empire. Thanks, Mostafa. Now you can download the Moats podcast right now by scanning the QR code on your screen. You can also listen to the podcast on Moats tv. And once you've listened, please leave a review and rate the podcast. Now. This week the podcast is in the top 10 for politics in Malaysia, Bhutan, Kuwait and the UAE, and in the top 30 for politics in Senegal, Pakistan, Ecuador and Angola. You've no idea how a boy from a council house in Dundee is proud of these facts that I have just read you out. Barry is in California. He's always worth hearing. Wants to talk about surveillance, as I think we did only the other night. Barry, welcome back.
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Thank you. The first time Larry Johnson began wearing hats recently, he said, I'm doing a George Galloway. So Remember that if I go away for five or ten seconds, these stupid ads would take me two seconds to go.
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The cutest form of flattery. Bass.
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Right, right. So I want to mention two things briefly. First, I want to tell you about, in one sentence, the second dream I had with you in it. I was walking at a festival with my friend and I turned and looked at him and I said, I just realized I'm having a. And we both said, a lucid dream. And then we. That's my 10th and last three years. Then we joined a crowd watching moats on an old television set. Okay, second thing, this is very important. I'll be brief. I think you need a test for oxidized ldl. Low density lipoproteins. And they're not dangerous. The body produces it to transport essential lipids to your cells. But free radicals. I'm not talking about us. Attack LDL and oxidize it. So I don't know your diet, but you have my phone call and I'll give you free advice. I've been a health professional for 50 years. And please read my messages I'll be sending you on the page where you're smoking a guitar, a cigar at the top. All right, so the first one I
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want to talk about, I absolutely will. As to my diet, it's. It's entirely Indonesian, unless I'm eating out in some other cuisine. But I don't eat much. I'm on an 18, 6 diet, so I don't eat for 18 hours and then eat for 6 only. So I think my diet is pretty healthy. But we'll definitely talk about that, Barry, and I'm touched. Thank you at your concern. Go ahead.
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Yeah. Intermittent fasting. So the first I want to talk about is a concern in the US Empire because there's a deadline on it. So the Congress is in the middle of reauthorizing fisa, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. And the House Republicans have already done a bipartisan vote to extend section 702, which allows the government to sweep up Americans private communications without a warrant, which violates the Fourth Amendment. And we have 45 days from June 5th. So we have until July 15th to prevent the Senate from voting for this. And they say that it's protect our privacy. Sure. You know, the bear is Catholic, the Pope poops in the woods. So anyway, so the second one is. Let's see. Okay, I did that one already. Let's see. So let's see, what's the next one?
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Oh.
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Eight tech companies signed classified AI deals with the Pentagon Google, Microsoft, Amazon, OpenAI, Oracle, Nvidia, SpaceX and Reflection. For every search, every voice command, these companies already have a profile on you and the data is feeding into systems who can't see into. So there are three moves that we can do is to turn off the location history on your devices on every account, then pause activity tracking and swap one tool you use every day. Like you could do protonmail for email instead of Gmail and Brave for browsing and so on. We can't undo what's already collected, but we can stop feeding it. So. So I think that's enough for today. You have other guests and people, so
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maybe I'll call Brady. You're a font of information and if I may say so, goodness also. Now, tomorrow at 8 o', clock, my party, the Workers Party of Britain, presents NHS Talk on Zoom. Dr. Bob Gill, the finest general practitioner in the land, asks, will your doctor see you again? Probably not. You can join the live discussion on access to GPS and the pressures facing primary care. There's a QR code on the screen now that you can refer back to and scan to join. Let's go to Texas, join another old friend prince who wants to talk about Iran. Your Highness, welcome back.
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Hey, George. How you doing sir? Hope you're in your beauty.
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All. All good, brother, all good. Go on.
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Yes.
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So just a couple of things I said three quick points. The first one is I think it's just kind of, I mean obviously somewhere like me who grew up, you know, I'm in my 40s now, so grew up living in the whole entire international institutions. I think from what FIFA and the UN and all these things have proven that there's no such thing as international law. All of these are just kangaroo. They were basically created to protect the same system and it's very obvious right now. So the only question is why the countries like Russia and China and all the other third world countries or the global South, I should say, why do they play along? I'm still to understand why they play along with all of these charades. That's my first one. The second one is it's always comical to me when I watch like British media because I've never seen, and please forgive me, I'm not trying to insult the British people, but I've never seen any group of people more robotic than the British media. Because when they speak, it's like when you listen to people on the Sky News and all of this one, they just have this one line of speech which is like just been crafted to them by MI6 or CIA and whatever it is, and they just read it. And even when, like if you watch interviews with people like Dr. Carlson or you, even when you present them with facts, they just keep on reading the same scripts. It's like, do they have a script they're reading from? Where do these people go to journalism school? And the last point I have is again, and I keep on seeing this whole idea of left wing, right wing people like Ursula van der Leyen. These are the people who are telling us that Trump is a monster. She just said today, that was it today or sometime this week, that even if the US cancels sanctions on Iran, she will not. Because unless Iran changes the behavior. Did this woman watch through the whole genocide going on for the last three years? And what did she do to the sudular colony? Did she do anything? So again, these are the people who are preaching to us about morality. These are the so called sanctified liberals.
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I was just thinking, I was thinking about this today, Prince, that how seriously the state treats murder, very seriously indeed. If one person is murdered, the state will go to the ends of the earth, literally to apprehend the murderer. How seriously they take murder, but how casually they observe mass murder. Depending on who it is that's being murdered and who the murderer is, they'll move heaven and earth for one corpse. But a million corpses as have now lain in the ground in Gaza moves them not a jot. Not only do they not condemn it, they reward the murderer. And I just can't quite grasp how you make that psychological or mental dichotomy in your head, how you can be so out outraged at the callous, evil killing of a single child. Much in the news in the United Kingdom this week, how revolted people are at the evil that was done to that little child. And yet how utterly unmoved many of the same people are at the murder of scores of thousands of children in Gaza, equally innocent, murdered in just as evil a way. I genuinely can't understand how it is that people are able to live without joining up these dots. It beats me. I could never do it. And I followed the rubric of my leader. My leader isn't Vladimir Putin or even Xi Jinping. My leader is long dead Che Guevara, who said, if you can tremble with indignation at any injustice against anyone, you are a comrade mine. That's what's always guided me. Thank you, Prince. Some comments. DJ D1mAh I don't think this war is over. To be honest, neither do I, mate. A Conduit says it's not so much Iran has won more that the US was ill advised and never could win. And Zillah Burns 1160 says this money is Iranian money which America stole from Iran, just like the amount of gold and money America stole from Iraq. And Nobod in Purtan says, sorry George, I've been watching you and buying your books for two decades but if I have to prove my identity, I even whilst using a VPN all this time will retire from YouTube and all the rest. Oh please don't find a way. There must be a way. Christina Hines says they want everyone posting on social media identified not for the purpose of identifying criminals but to be used to silence people. They will use identities to freeze bank accounts and blacklist. And Kuplex1 says criticize Israel and you won't be allowed on the Internet for much longer. There's a legend on the line. It's Terence in Reading in England. Welcome back. Tell what do you want to say?
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Good evening, Mr. Galve. Starting off with a bit of good news. My friend's father and brother are living in Gaza and they have always said, and my friend told me yesterday, they will never ever leave Gaza. They are not going into any museum. But switching from the brutality of genocide in Gaza as we speak, I want to know if there's a crowd over Manchester, apparently, because Mr. Andy Burnham was asked by somebody who I know personally, you're still a member of the Labour Friends of Israel and what is your opinion on genocide? And his response was quite remarkable. It was, well, I've been too busy in Manchester doing things for the people of Manchester, totally. So then I go wondering, well, surely there must be a news channel or news must travel to Manchester, or is he really that, you know, uneducated as a former member of Tony Bear's inner circle, let's be quite frank about that and if so, are they all one in one and the same? Over to you, sir.
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Well, it's a very good question. He has not tweeted the word Gaza since 2012, so that is a very, very long time. Long before he became busy, if busy he has been doing any good, if any good he has done for the people of Greater Manchester. So that alibi simply doesn't wash. He could have resigned from the Labour Friends of Israel in protest at the genocide, but he did not. And he did not because he doesn't believe that it can be described as genocide. I have questions, said he, about the proportionality, Israeli responses from time to time, but I do not believe that Israel has committed a genocide. So there you have it. I mean, people can make their own mind up. I don't know who Labour will put up in his stead. I have no idea who the Labour candidate will be. But looking at the Labour Party as I must, it's hard to see that they're going to put up anyone with the high public profile that I have, for example, or the long political experience that I have, for example, or the contacts in the rising world, in the BRICs, in Russia and China and Malaysia and Thailand and Indonesia that I have and will place at the disposal of the Manchester voters. It's hard to see that they're going to find a candidate who has credentials like mine. Seven times elected to Parliament, widely regarded as the best orator of my generation and all the kind things that people have said about me. I don't think Labour will have a better candidate than me, but they'll have a lot more money than me because a lot of people want Labour to win so that they can profit from it. But my hat will be in the ring. The word is it'll be the world's shortest by election. Surprise, surprise. It might even be by the end of a four week period. A four week period to campaign in an election with an electorate so vast that no one will be able to effectively go door to door, effectively pound the streets or even leaflet door to door amongst the many hundreds of thousands of people who be on the register. So social media will be a very important battleground, as will media in general and as will whatever efforts my friends can can make in the way of traditional electioneering in this very difficult time when people are looking over their shoulder wondering if the midnight knock on the door will be coming for them. Big thanks, Terence. Robin Walker9412 says Horrible man is Burnham along with all of the other Fabians and Tam McIntosh said restore friends of Israel, Reform Friends of Israel, Labor Friends of Israel, Lib Dems, Friends of Israel, Toris, Friends of Israel, take your pick from this lot. Indeed, Tom, one thing I can tell you, there will never be a Workers Party. Friends of Israel. Crohawk66 says they'll throw Milikowski under the bus and then blame him solely for the Palestinian genocide. And Western media will parrot that narrative to the death. And Joan Wright772 says Trump admits he installed a terrorist in Syria during the G7 summit press conference with the Qatari emir in France. He also suggested that Israel allow Syria to deal with Hezbollah. They wouldn't last five minutes mate and Handel612 says Trump's response at the G7 about the 170 schoolgirls? Asked Hegseth. He's head of the investigation. Shameful, indeed. Here's Raymond in Arkansas on Israel and Trump. Go ahead, Raymond.
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Where to start? I wanted to call last week because
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we had just celebrated, of course, the
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59th anniversary of June 8, 1968. And it's like, did George just say that the United States controls Israel? Did we do the liberty to ourselves?
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Good Lord.
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And then I started thinking about it and retroflecting and 5, 1448, the same day and year that Israel was founded. Unusually, so is shadow government. That's shadow government's birthday. And then 1122, 63. Well, that's the birthday of the deep state, huh? As a grassy knoll. Been seated in the Oval since nineteen nineteen sixty three. And was nineteen sixty seven like, I don't know, our blue dress, like it was to Bill. See, Bill had lots of flights, but they had to call him. The check with a blue dress and Monica Lewinsky. Maybe 67 was a reminder of what happened in 63. And I was like, you know, maybe you're right. Maybe America does control Israel because we are already Israel. We are already synonymous with them. And this false. Here's the thing, the last attempt, you got a guy charging through a checkpoint without a long rifle. Everybody was questioning that. And now we have. Apparently they're sustaining another attempt at his birthday party. Very, very in depth. 23 people arrested. Who was behind that? And the manifesto, strangely enough, was against the elite and the APAC supporters. How convenient. How Massadish
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copy.
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So, yeah.
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Yes. I mean, a lot of. A lot of these operations are fairly transparently false flags. And that strikes me as absolutely one of them. You're talking about what happened at the ufc. Yeah.
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You know, just hearing about that and the narrative behind it, you know, they always have the manifesto. And like I said, now we. I guess we're not even worthy of a false flag America. That's what I'm saying. We can just produce, you know, some. Some signals.
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Good point. Breaking up Raymond, but a great call. And I've got to take a break because I have got a very special guest. Trito Parsi was a huge hit the last time he was on here. He's a man who really knows what went down in the. The US Iran war and what might happen next. And we're lucky he's joining us right after this short break. Stay tuned. You are listening to the mother of all talk shows podcast with George Galloway. Sheeta Parsi, Iranian author and political analyst, was such a successful, widely sought after political analysts that the supporters of the war, supporters of Israel and the war, were determined to root him out. And Larry Loomer himself no less than told us that Trita might very well be deported from the United States. Mercifully, I suppose, that hasn't happened. And it's from there that he talks to us now. Trita, welcome. A reprieve, it would seem, for now. It would be particularly perverse to kick you out for your views on the war now that Trump seems largely to agree with them. He thinks that Netanyahu has been grossly disproportionate. He's scolding Netanyahu as an ungrateful supplicant. He is talking up the possibility of friendship between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran, led by the son of the last leader, the one Donald Trump murdered. Make this make sense? As we say,
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it doesn't make sense, except for the fact that this was clearly not what Trump thought the end of this would be. But he also realizes, correctly, that if he doesn't end it, he will be, and the country will be in an even worse position. And although I have been one of the most ferocious critics of this war, I think I have the scars to prove it. I do believe that this is the right decision. And I do also want to give him credit for one thing that few American presidents have shown before, which is that the normal thing that happens is that when the United States starts a war of choice, that ends up invariably going badly. Instead of cutting loose and ending the war and taking the political cost for ending the war, they decide to just continue the war, kick the can down the road, hand it over to the next president in the hope that that person might do it or might not do it. And that person usually does not do it. And instead they kick the can down to the next president. And that's why we suddenly have these endless wars. Afghanistan took 20 years because it was so clear that it was a failure. No one wanted to cut loose and have to take the blame for the failure, even though the blame did not deserve with them. Here you have a scenario in which Trump has started something he shouldn't have started. It ended up going very badly. And instead of doing what most of these critics want, including many Democrats right now that are criticizing for him for this now, which is to just continue the war, he's deciding to cut it loose, cut it to an end, and then take the political cost for it, essentially saying he doesn't care that the political cost of continuing the war is lower than the political cost of continuing continuing it. He's ending it anyway. And I think that's a good thing. And I wish more American presidents had that capacity. I wish, of course, they wouldn't have started the war in the first place, but he did, and he's ending it now. We'll see if it actually ends up becoming successful in terms of really reaching a final agreement.
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Well, it's most gracious of you to say so because he did do a ferocious lot of damage to your country, to your compatriots, to those who stood against him, who've paid the price with their jobs and lost contracts and blacklisting and all the rest of it. And of course, he did a lot of damage, damage as yet not apparent to the international economy, which is really quite a price to pay for something that you shouldn't have done. I mean, I'm not saying you should say sorry because that would be meaningless in a series of blunders or crimes, call them what you will of this magnitude. But I see no sign in him of humility, which makes me worry that at the first opportunity, or bearing the impression of the last person to sit on him, he may very well return like a dog to its vomit and begin it all again.
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If you're waiting for him to show humility, I suspect you will wait a very, very long time. I think that is simply not in the cards. And you're right about that. Does it mean that he necessarily will go back to the war? I think that likelihood absolutely has to be considered because if there's anything we see with him is that he does these 180 turns. And this is part of the reason why the Israelis are so frustrated with him right now. They really didn't think that he would turn around like this and not only strike a deal. I mean, read the 14 part points. We're talking about the complete lifting of sanctions on Iran, a project Israelis have spent three decades on building up this web of sanctions on Iran in order to make sure that the country is slowly but surely destroyed. Those are apparently all going to be lifted if, of course, this comes to a final agreement. And I think what you said is very true. If circumstances change again and he for some reason is convinced that he can actually achieve his objective through more war, I think he would go for that. If he thought that he could achieve what he wants through war after having experienced it a little bit, he would have done that. I don't think there is any moral attachment to any particular path here. He's looking out for his own interest, and his own interest dictates that you have to end this war because it's damaging him politically. It's damaging his party politically. They're going to see significant losses, most likely in the November elections. And he'd rather take the heat of having Fox News criticize him than to take the heat that he will take if he continues this war.
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There are many, I'm not among them, I tend to share your view, who think that the Israeli anger and frustration is synthetic. I don't believe that. And I measure it in the venom of American friends of Israel, Shapiro and Levin and so on, the sort of dead enders, the last ditchers who will go down defending Netanyahu and his criminal gang. I think they are genuinely furious at Trump, which must mean that Trump has done something that merits their fury. Are you with me on that?
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Absolutely. I don't. I mean, Look, I'm in D.C. i see this stuff up front. I also see that many of these people that you mentioned hate each other. So the type of truth, trust and confidence that is needed to be able to coordinate that type of a conspiracy in which they're out there pretending to be upset, I just don't see the basis for it existing. The meltdown that you're seeing right now throughout all of Israel's media between Israeli politicians and the manner in which many daggers are coming out to finally finish off Netanyahu's political career. A degree of that decibel is very much because of this political opportunity that the opponents of Netanyahu, of course, now see, that they will blame him for this rightfully, and they will end his political career in the upcoming elections in the next couple of weeks, and then he will probably go to jail afterwards. If this was some sort of a coordinated thing. Netanyahu is literally playing with his own political life and his freedom, mindful of the fact that he will likely go to jail once he no longer is prime minister. So I don't see any basis for this. What I think at the same time is very important to understand and it repeats a little bit of what I said earlier on. Now he's done in 180. He's now burning some bridges with Israelis. They're very upset at him. They're attacking him. He may make another 180 and he may once again go in their direction. So, you know, this is part of the reason why no one is actually relenting, because none of the decisions he had made have necessarily been consistent and consistently pursued. There's always something that can change him.
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Although the MoU is there, we haven't seen the English version. I think the version that is in the public domain is an Iranian version translated into English. We'll see, of course, the English version. On Friday in Geneva. Trump says he will not be signing it. He'll leave it to Vance and if it all works out well, he'll take the credit. If it doesn't work out well, Vance will take the blame, which is at least honest of Trump to put it that way. What happens if the version of the MoU that we have seen is signed by the United States? How binding is it?
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C
It's not binding at all. It's just an mou. Nothing is binding until they have a final agreement and they have 60 days to achieve it. They can extend it further. I find it very unlikely that they will come to an agreement sooner than that. Earlier on they were to trying talking about a 30 day period. They doubled that to 60 days. And even if there is a final agreement, we already have the experience of the United States walking out of the existing binding agreement that was endorsed by the UN Security Council and that was Donald Trump who did so. So I think everyone is operating from the standpoint of recognizing that there are not going to be any mechanisms in this deal itself that will ensure that it is binding. It will be a lot of other things that they will do to try to protect themselves from the scenario of the deal collapsing depending on, you know, regardless of how it collapses. So for instance, part of the reason I think the Iranians are adamant about including Lebanon and Israel and making sure that the Israelis have to stop their bombardment and occupation of Lebanon is because the Iranians are about to not only extend their determination deterrence to Lebanon, but also to re establish their forward defense. If they have a strong Hezbollah in Lebanon, as they did in 2006, Israel will not be able to attack them, or at least it will be much more difficult. In fact, I ran into the Deputy Defense Minister of Israel at a conference in 2006 in the middle of the war. And Efraim told me that Lebanon and Hezbollah is just a prelude. The real goal is, is the war with Iran and it will be inevitable. And essentially had Israel succeeded in defeating Hezbollah in 2006, they would have attacked Iran in 2006. But they failed against Hezbollah and as a result, there wasn't any attack until after 2024 when Assad fell and Hezbollah became much weaker because of the September attacks and much else that was going on back then. So now the Iranians are about to try to rebuild that forward defense to protect, prevent such an attack. And the question is, are they willing to risk this agreement with the United States over Lebanon? And I think that is the wrong way of looking at it from their standpoint. They're trying to figure out how do they make sure they don't get attacked again from Israel, Are they going to trust their forward defense in Lebanon, or are they going to trust a piece of paper signed by Donald Trump? And I think it's very easy to understand why they're going to beat trusting their forward defense. So if the forward defense jeopardizes the deal, that's going to be the cost of it. Because at the end of the day, they have huge question marks of how reliable that deal will be in the long run, how reliable the United States will be in not allowing Israel to suck them back into another war. That doesn't mean that they're going to deliberately undermine the mou. It's just that everyone's going to have contingency plans, knowing very well that even a final agreement, agreement may collapse.
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There must be consequential implications for Syria and the ISIS al Qaeda regime there if the political power of the Lebanese resistance is fortified and if Israel is effectively defeated in Lebanon, this will change the dynamics of politics in Lebanon. But I'm wondering if also there is now a gathering storm for ISIS al Qaeda in Syria. What do you think?
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C
I don't know enough about Syria to know exactly how it would impact it, but I do find it interesting that there's some reports claiming that there have been efforts to get Syria to get involved in Lebanon. If the Iranians are objecting to the Israelis attacking Hezbollah, it's a different story if Syria does so. Not that the Iranians wouldn't respond to it, but it's not a problem for the Americans if the Iranians respond to Syria. But it appears to the extent that these reports are true, that the Syrian government realized what a stupid move that would be, and they have not gone along with that, despite the fact that at some point, even Trump publicly suggested that that is what should happen. So I suspect that the Syrians understand they're in a very, very weak position. They're in a very weak position. It would be very foolish of them to put themselves in the crosshairs of Iran or Hezbollah under these circumstances, given how this war has evolved and potentially ended. And I think you're absolutely right that this will dramatically impact the domestic scene in Lebanon. If it is so that it is Hezbollah and Iran that kicks Lebanon as Israel out of Lebanon and not the Lebanese government, that is obviously going to have some repercussions internally in Lebanon.
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Finally, sir, the I detect some tension only on social media. I haven't been there for a little while. While I detect some tension in Iran between those who want this MOU to be signed on Friday and those who don't. How real and how serious are divisions over that, in your opinion?
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C
I think they are very real. I don't think, however, that they represent the majority opinion, but they do represent a minority, but very, very determined minority. We saw protests outside of the Foreign Ministry. They were not particularly large, particularly when you might think of the fact that Iran is a city of more than 10 million people calling for the death of the foreign minister and the speaker of the Parliament who have been in charge of the negotiations. So I think these are very real, but at the same time it appears to be managed. There seems to be some space allowing them to express some of these things, but some of the key officials who could play a very destructive role seems to essentially have been managed in a way that they're not doing so, at least not publicly. We've seen this before when the JCPOA was signed. Of course, the system was very different then, given who was in it and the fact that they had not experienced this war. What I think is really fascinating because you had this in the JCPOA as well. But what you don't have this time around compared to the JCPO, you don't have any street celebrations celebrating the MoU. And from what I hear, they're likely not going to be a lot of celebrations if the final deal is agreed to, even if it lifts all sanctions. That's not because there isn't significant happiness amongst a large portion of the population who wants this war to end and who wants to see sanctions lifted. It's more about the fact that there's become so much cynicism as to whether these deals actually will last that no one is bothering to go out and express a significant amount of joy on the streets. But it has a slight side effect as well, which is that if you don't have those protests out there, it also then does not trigger and fuel the protests from the other side who are opposed to this deal. So the situation is in some ways managed precisely precisely because there isn't that degree of enthusiasm. Not I want to be very careful. I think there is significant support for a deal, but People are not enthusiastic about it because they have lived through such bitter experiences of seeing signed deals, nevertheless either failing to deliver or collapsing as a whole because the United States pulled out of them.
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A
There's a disappointed man in Langley, Virginia, tonight. I would have thought, after he heard President Trump say he had never been interested in regime change. That's quite a change of tune. Isn't.
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C
Certainly is. I don't think that is true. I think he was looking at regime change. But I think what has happened here is that the US Tried regime change. The US Also tried war. None of them worked. And it is now trying diplomacy. And as a result, it is also distancing itself from some of these individuals and countries that pushed for this war and for this regime change. But I think it must have been particularly painful for, for instance, the Crown Prince, the former crown Prince of Iran, to find out that the Israelis who had. Who he had moved so closely to, essentially become one of their assets, one of their voices on tv in which he was doing the work of. Of the IDF in explaining that the Israelis are doing everything they can to avoid civilian casualties and defending the strikes against his own civilian population, that it must have been particularly devastating for him to find out that all the long when he was essentially making himself a tool of the Israelis, the Israelis were actually thinking of Ahmadinejad as the person who should take over Iran if it was referred to regime change. Tells you how far he was duped in this and with him, a lot of other Iranians, particularly in the diaspora, who very foolishly thought that the crown Prince was someone to follow.
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Good luck in the World Cup. Dr. Trita Parsi, considerable intellect, a brilliant analyst, and I think.
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C
Thank you so much. Really great pleasure to be with you.
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Discussion indeed. Bless you. Thank you, sir. One last call before Gayatri Amr is in California. He wants to talk about the US Government, and he's welcome. Go ahead, Amir.
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I
Thank you so much, George. It's wonderful to be on again. I love your show and most of my family around the world does, too. So the American government seems to be suffering from psychopathy. They have no empathy for the destruction and death that they reap around the world. Like a true psychopath feels nothing. Trump keeps saying that there was, we were not in a war, that it was a skirmish. You know, it's like when a man says he's not beating his wife, they're just touching faces with their fists. So with soldiers dead and humiliating defeat that we just suffered in Iran, which is well deserved, even though I'm American. It's sad to see lives lost anywhere, of course, but sometimes the bully has to get punched in the nose, as you know. And just like when Trump was denying that we were in a war and it was obviously a war, and he was denying there was no such thing as the Epstein files and it was obvious that he was in them. So we know we're dealing with a habitual liar and a person with no morals or remorse. And that's all I have to say. George, I love your show. Thank you so much.
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A
Amen. Amen. Amer, you say that's all you have to say. But actually you said everything. I wonder whatever happened to the Epstein files and if they will ever come back. Look, another wave of support to recognize tonight. Alexander. Alexander Visram, Gerard Magarry, Serena Fenton, Jill Raviv and Marie A. Coughlan. Thank you all of you for backing Moats so splendidly this evening through the website Motes tv. Please do add your donation before the end of the proceedings, before you go to bed this very evening. After all, as I keep saying, if I had been busking for you in the street and you watched me for two hours, what kind of person would you be if you walked away without putting a penny in my hat? But now here's the woman without whom the news wouldn't be the news. Here's Gayatri. What's rattling Gayatri?
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J
Well, in case you missed it, it a new country has been born and more uniquely, it's only been recognized by one other state. I am talking about Somaliland who was officially recognized Boxing day last year 2025 by Israel. And what happened this week? A historic visit took place in which the self proclaimed President of Somaliland came to Israel for a visit. He visited Knesset. He was warmly welcomed by Herzog. He was there to inaugurate the embassy of Somaliland in occupied Jerusalem. And this is of course a big insult to all of us for this to happen because we all know why Israel is the only state that has recognized Somaliland, it being perfectly located in the Red Sea. And so Katz, the war minister said that actually between Somaliland and Israel they've had covert cooperations for many, many years. And he is determined to take security levels up, security cooperation up to the next level. Now there is a lot of Israeli training taking place for the Somaliland army, the police and there's even talk of it having an intelligence base. But as for a military base of Israel, that's what the Somali Land Defense Minister denies. But who knows, right? I mean, the Israeli will Go as far as they need in this country that will profit them probably enormously. And what we should all remember that Somaliland is actually used to be a. Used to be British Somaliland. It was under the British protectorate and when the Brits gave independence to this British Somaliland, they joined voluntarily five days later with the territory that was occupied by Italy to make a whole Somalia that we knew until they officially broke away again.
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A
I was really badgered for years in Parliament to make a trip to Somaliland to encourage them in one way or another. I took the view then as now that the last thing Africa needs is more countries, more lines on the map, more divisions. But I never imagined I should have. I approached myself that this was an Israeli project. I actually thought it was a British project, but I didn't look closely enough. And. And undoubtedly they have been covertly in alliance for a very long time. Israel will not open a military base there, not like the ones you've talked about in Djibouti, which are clear and on the map and so on, because, well, the resistance in the region would take that base out in five minutes and every five minutes if necessary. But they will have some secret bases like the ones that were discovered in Iraq during this latest series of slaughters in Iran in the 12 day war, then the 39 day war, the Ramadan War. These were being directed from secret bases in the Iraqi desert that had been established by the forward units of the Israel Army. So I've no doubt that they will. There's only one solution to this ludicrous Somaliland breakaway and that's for the honest and decent tribespeople in what is called Somaliland to rise up and reunite this usurper base with Somalia proper. I hate to mention this, Gayatri, but the first words spoken by this joker, this clown, this traitor to Herzog in the Knesset were bismillah. He was asking God to bless a treachery, a betrayal, an apostasy so foul that you could smell it.
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J
His wife accompanied him throughout his visit, dressed in full hijab, and he'd look
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at it and think, didn't he know? And didn't she know that the Israelis were all laughing at them, laughing behind their back. God damn you, you traitor. Well, it's been marvellous for me. I hope it was for you. And if it was, then come back on Sunday for the mothership, for the mother of all talk shows. We're going to sleep because it's been a long time since we did. I hope it didn't show. It's been marvellous. Thanks for being here on the mother of all talk shows. Good night,
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Sa.
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It's the mother of all
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tuck shows. It's the mother of all talk shows.
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D
It's the mother of all
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talk show. Go get them, George.