Transcript
A (0:00)
You say anxiety always lies, Always. Why?
B (0:05)
I say that at the end of the book.
A (0:07)
Spoiler alert. Sorry about that.
B (0:09)
Boom. Come at me with the biggest. Now, here's the thing. We have brains that are very prone to anxiety, and we have a culture that magnifies our proneness to anxiety. But anxiety, unlike fear, which is a very a response, a visceral response to a danger that is present in the physical moment. There's a surge of adrenaline, a surge of activity, and then, boom, it's gone. Anxiety comes from the way we perseverate and tell stories to ourselves in our heads about the things that may or may not happen. As Mark Twain said, I'm an old man and I have lived through many troubles, but most of them never happened. So anxiety is like being haunted. And if you sit with it, you will see that it is never with you in the room. It is never in a form that you can address in the present. It's always saying things about something that are. Something that's happening somewhere else, somewhere on the line of time. And for that reason, it's never real, it's never present, and it's never true.
A (1:14)
This interesting cocktail between our brain's predisposition and our modern society's reinforcement of that, I suppose, Yeah, I. It's an interesting one talking about anxiety because it's become so pattern matched. People have used I feel uncertain or I am worried. And the term has sort of concept creeped itself out to encompass all of this. So I wonder. I wonder how much of it is people giving a name, which sounds way more pathological to something which is a normal part of the human experience, you know?
B (1:51)
Well, there is that. No question. We are like over diagnosing ourselves and over assigning diagnoses to everything that happens. But it's also true that even, like the World Health Organization looking with fairly objective tests, as objective as you can get, has shown a dramatic rise in the number of people who are suffering crippling clinical levels of anxiety as diagnosed by independent observers. So that went up by 25% during the pandemic and has continued to rise since the pandemic. The reason for that, as I found when I started to study it, is that anxiety only goes in one direction. It always goes up. It never reverses for reasons very particular to the human brain.
A (2:39)
Dig into that. What do you mean anxiety only ever goes up? It never reverses.
B (2:43)
Right. So if you've gone over a tire ripper leaving a parking lot and it's a. There are these teeth, and when you go Forward, they, they get smushed under your wheels, but if you go back, they'll rip you apart. So it's a one way process. In our brains we have two things that make us capable of spinning anxiety up and up and up, and largely unable to bring it down, down, down. Although that is possible, eminently possible. And the two things are something called the negativity bias, which I also call the 15 puppies and a cobra syndrome. If you went into a room and noticed 15 puppies and a cobra, where would all your attention go? It would go to the most frightening thing in the room, because that's an evolutionary survival adaptation. Yeah. The problem is that when you see anything in your environment at all, you are likely to interpret it as something dangerous or negative, because all brains have that, all mammalian brains have that negativity bias. But in humans it snags on the other capacity, and that is the ability to tell ourselves stories about what might happen, what could happen, what may have happened elsewhere, that are so frightening to us that we actually, at a fairly regular rate, certain humans take their own lives rather than face what the story in their heads is telling them about a possible future. So you take the negativity bias, it sees the most negative thing in the room or online. The algorithms are written to give us more of whatever our attention lasts, lives on the longest. You know, when we fixate attention, it gears those algorithms to give us similar material, which is an externalization of what's going on in our brains. We see something negative, we think it's gone wrong, we smell something, oh, that's strange. Then immediately it's, oh goodness, what if there's a gas leak? Oh my God, I know somebody who died in a gas leak. Oh my God. And that story, instead of being seen as fantasy, which it is, is reinterpreted by the primitive levels of the brain as an actual environment. So when you say, oh my God, the IRS is coming to take everything, your amygdala responds as if you are actively physically being attacked. And it can stay in that high fight or flight excitation level for literally years while you slowly die of degenerative illness. Because you were never meant to live in that high state of fear arousal. So yeah, it's a one way. It's what scientists call an unregulated feedback system. It goes in, it feeds on itself, it drives itself higher and higher, and unless you actively defuse it, to mix a bunch of metaphors, it's just going to keep going up and up and up.