← Money And Wealth With John Hope Bryant
Loading summary
Transcript128 lines
- [00:00]
Shopify Host
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. A lot of you ask how I actually run my business behind the scenes and honestly, Shopify is the reason it exists. For me, Shopify is the place where I took this little idea I had and turned it into a real business. I still remember the first ever sale I made for my fashion brand. Embellished. It was a huge moment for me and Shopify made it all possible. Build your store, own your audience and create something that lasts. Start now@shopify.com Ben run a business and
- [00:36]
iHeart Advertising Host
not thinking about podcasting? Think again. More Americans listen to podcasts than ad supported streaming music from Spotify and Pandora. And as the number one podcaster, iHeart's twice as large as the next two combined. Learn how podcasting can help your business. Call 844-844. IHeart therapy is fantastic, but once again it does not have a monopoly on healing. That's why I create the resources and that's why I create the community because I really just want you to have more access on the podcast. Cultivating her space Dr. Dahm and Terri Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. It's tough because we're suppressing our emotions and so many of us are like high achieving individuals. Listen to Cultivating her space on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [01:21]
Podcast Promo Host
Who says renting can't feel like home? Make your rental feel like yours. It all starts with one scroll. Download TikTok to discover easy home decor ideas.
- [01:35]
John Hope Bryant
Welcome to Money and Wealth with John Hope Bryant, a production of the Black Effect podcast network and iHeartRadio. Hey hey. This is John O. Bryant and this is the Money and Wealth podcast series, season three on the iHeartRadio platform on the Black Effect Network. Thank you everyone for making this podcast one of the top 50 for entrepreneurship in the nation. Top 150, 200 for business and top 250 in the world on every continent for entrepreneurship and business and NAACP nominee for their Image Awards. We're on the move and today is one of those special episodes where I bring a guest on. As you know, if you've been following me, oftentimes I just spend an hour, 45 minutes or an hour pouring into you myself on a topic that I believe that I have proficiency in. I bring guests on when two plus two equals six, eight or 10. When the relationship is defined is better together, it's multiplication, not just addition. A Michael Milken, an ambassador Andrew J. Young, a bishop T.D. jakes Someone who's top of the mark, Tony Wrestlers coming, who owns the Atlanta Hawks and built so, so many companies. And today is one of those days. I have my brother from another mother, my dear friend, an underrated genius, Van Jones, who you probably know as a global CNN commentator, co host and journalist. You know him politically, you know him from wherever you know him from. I know him slightly differently. Let me break this down as we talk about. And by the way, I'm honored to introduce him today also as the co chair with me for Hope AI, which will give you some sense of what this conversation is about today. So honored to have Van as my co chair of Hope AI and to tell you how intentional this is, my co chair for financial literacy for all was Doug McMillan, the CEO of Walmart and is now the CEO of Delta Airlines. Ed Bastion for 2026. My co chair for the AI Ethics Council is Sam Altman. And so I'm honored to have the co chair of the future Hope AI with Van Jones. Here's what you don't know about Van. Undergraduate degree, University of Tennessee. There we go. A bachelor's degree in communications and political science. From there, law degrees, law school, Yale Law School. Did you know that? A Juris Doctorate, a JD And I believe you also went to mit, is that right?
- [04:36]
Van Jones
A fellow at mit, professor and fellow at Princeton. A couple little places like that that I don't talk about a lot because I got my best education from Willie Jones and Loretta Jones in Little Jackson, Tennessee, where I grew up. Amen.
- [04:53]
John Hope Bryant
Let's get into this. Van, by the way, is there anything else that the audience would not know that's not obvious that we should share for context for this conversation? As far as your background, your focus, where you're spending your time, your, your intellect, I know you spent a lot of time reading and studying the world.
- [05:11]
Van Jones
Look, I mean, I think a lot of times people think I was born on the set of cnn. Right next to airs are just. That would have been gross. Boom. Exactly. No, no. Long before. You know, I've been on TV for about 14 years, but, you know, before that I was mainly focused on, you know, black stuff. Tough communities, constituencies built. The Ella Baker center for Human Rights, colorofchange.org, reform Alliance, Green for All and other organizations trying to get black folk out of jail, into jobs. That's been my fundamental kind of commitment. And I'm very proud to have gotten legislation passed, signed by George W. Bush and Donald Trump, but also got a chance to work for Barack Obama in the White House. And work for him is another first.
- [06:09]
John Hope Bryant
He was the first environmental advisor to any president of the United States of America in the history of this country. It was an advisor to President Barack Obama. Is that right?
- [06:19]
Van Jones
Yeah, yeah. The first, the first clean energy, green jobs advisor ever. And, and the legislation that I got a chance to help implement when I was at the White House level actually was the main advocate for when I got George W. Bush to sign it. So I really have fought my whole life to try to figure out what is the black future, how can we get black communities and other underrepresented, underestimated communities, the hope and help that we need to be able to not be victims, but to actually be architects of the future. That's been my main thing. So that's why I focus on solar energy and that revolution. That's why I focus on alternatives to incarceration, so we don't lose so much black genius to jail cells. And I got a chance to work with Prince for six years, helped him with his philanthropy. He backed me on yes We Code. And that's really where I want to kind of start, if I can, John, because Reverend Jackson passing away to me has been a life changing event because he was a person who opened up doors for me in Silicon Valley Back in 2012, 2013, 2014, when Silicon Valley was a completely black box. We had no idea where the technology companies hiring in the African Americans were being promoted. It was completely a black box. And it was Reverend Jackson who bought some shares in some of these companies and went to those shareholder meetings and encouraged them to open up the books. And it turned out that African Americans were woefully underrepresented in Silicon Valley. And so Prince and I launched a campaign called yes We Code Now. Yes We can, yes We Code to begin to try to get more opportunity. And we were working with Facebook, Meta now and other groups, and I saw things. And then also being a fellow at MIT for two years, I learned a lot about technology and I learned a lot about how technology is going to determine a lot about the future and the importance of us being present.
- [08:35]
John Hope Bryant
And so before Van goes any further, I'm going to do what I don't do a lot. I'm going to shut up this whole podcast, let him talk, because I think he's that brilliant. I want to say something to the audience. We've got to stop being offended and start being affected and being effective. Stop being offended. Stop getting your feelings hurt. Right? Stop being obsessed with, with how somebody's saying something and figure out what they're saying and what's the meaning behind what they're saying and seeing if you can. Let's just stop stepping over mess, not in it. Van is working to. I mean, net, net, net to. To advance all people with an emphasis on. On our people. Yes. And what he's done around criminal justice reform, I'm not crazy about some of the folks he's worked with. But, you know, somebody asked me before, are you going to go the president, go to dinner with President Bush and President Clinton? Like, well, yeah, I'm going to go to dinner with President Bush because I respect him. I'm gonna go to dinner with President Clinton because I like him. Actually like President Bush now too. But I'm still going to dinner.
- [09:48]
Van Jones
Right.
- [09:49]
John Hope Bryant
It's really interesting. We love President Bush today.
- [09:51]
Van Jones
Yeah, exactly.
- [09:54]
John Hope Bryant
We called him the devil. Please come back, please.
- [09:56]
Van Jones
Exactly. That was. Know how good we had it back in those days. Look, I, I appreciate.
- [10:03]
John Hope Bryant
Call me a capitalist. They called me a republic. I don't know that 20 years ago. They didn't understand what I was doing. They didn't understand what I was doing. They called me all kind of names. And now, now, you know, I mean, whatever. I mean, all that stuff is falling away. And I stayed focused on this mission of making capitalists work for all of God's children and bringing people, dragging people in the future and talking to people straight. And I just want people to go to the DNA, go to the core of Van Jones and say, is that the truth? Is what he's saying accurate? Is what he doing important? And you're about to hear an example of that in this podcast. And he's. He's working in areas where most of us are not working with people most of us don't have access to. I know anybody else got $100 million from a tech. The tech billionaire to do as he likes, which is what he got from. There's another thing doing this from Jeff Bezos and Amazon. Jeff didn't give him $100 million. He had nothing else to do. And he did it because he thought, he thought Van was the most effective dude he'd met. And the story goes on and on and on. Get to know this guy as a person and as a. And as a. And as a mentalist and as a. And as a brilliant thinker. And then let's figure out whether we can benefit from what he's saying and what he's doing, because I sure am over to you, Van Jones, who I love.
- [11:25]
Van Jones
Well, I appreciate it. And what I would Just say to anybody is like, I know I'm not in everybody's cup of tea, and that's perfectly fine with me.
- [11:32]
John Hope Bryant
Like, I. I don't know if that's true, but anyway, go ahead.
- [11:34]
Van Jones
Well, I'm just. I'm just saying, like, my soul is rested, John, because I've been so blessed. You know, my. My father was born in a shotgun shack in Memphis, Tennessee, or on Cable street in Orange Mound, Memphis. Anybody knows anything about Tennessee knows what. What. I went to Orange Mound. That was the toughest, roughest black neighborhood. And. And he came out of there and joined the military and put himself through college and married the college president, his daughter, my mother, and put his brother through college and a cousin through college and me and my twin sister through college. And when he died, the picture they put on the funeral program was my father standing in front of Yale Law School with his arms in the air, saying, look at what we've done. And so my father was pleased with me. And when you have that, you know, that's enough. You know, somebody loves your mother, your grandmother, whoever was that. If you can look at those people who saw you when you were little and were struggling, if they're pleased with you, then the world, you know, at best has a number two vote.
- [12:39]
John Hope Bryant
Amen.
- [12:40]
Van Jones
I've been black folks. I mean, sometimes we don't think it all the way through. People fought hard for me, John, to be able to go to the University of Tennessee at Martin on a minority scholarship. I never met those people, but somebody had to have an argument, a fight to say, listen, these public schools in Tennessee are still almost all white. And somebody fought and they said, we got to put a minority scholarship program together at the University of Tennessee. They fought for me to be able to get that, and I got it. Somebody at Yale Law School fought to say, listen, 10,000 kids apply to Yale Law School. We only let in 120. So if we can find a kid that's got an outstanding LSAT score, 96 percentile, is a black kid from the rural south, from the state school. We need to let that kid have a chance. I don't know that person was. But they fought for me. I took advantage of that. And on down the line, people were fighting to open doors for kids like me was born in 68. Right. The same year they killed Dr. King. But what we have to think about is if you fought for me to get into Yale and into Princeton and into mit, I. When I come back, I might be a little bit different, right? You can't fight to get kids like me into all these institutions and expect us to come home exactly the same. So I need some mercy and some grace for my people to say, if you wanted me to go to all these places and maybe I see the world a little bit different, can we make that an advantage for all of us? Can we add what I learned to what you learned and what you know, and now we're all smarter together. That's how I want to be. But what I learned along the way, I do see things very differently. I know what's coming with this technology. I don't have to guess. I was just at a conference that Peter Diamandis convened called the Abundance Conference. Peter Diamantis is somebody that. Whose name everyone should begin to learn because he's a white guy. He's been at the center of this technological revolution, exponential technology. He's the inventor of the X Prize. He's written a number of books including the future is faster than you think. And his conference pulls together the biggest people in deep tech in the world. I'm talking about people who are doing quantum computing, AI, biotech, robotics, mining, as getting ready to mine asteroids in space. I mean, this is, it's. And it's a small group of people, John. It's not a whole bunch of people. And they have big brains, some of them have big hearts, but they, they would admit they're a little bit monochromatic. I've got got a chance to explain
- [15:22]
John Hope Bryant
what that just what you just said.
- [15:25]
Van Jones
A lot of the same color. That color is not black. A little bit white.
- [15:30]
John Hope Bryant
And so in the green too. They got a lot of money, got
- [15:34]
Van Jones
a lot of green. And so I'm so blessed because Peter Diamandis has opened his heart and network and say, listen, you know, I want you to see what's happening and give me your reflections. And we've developed a great friendship. You've been trying to warn people and alert people that a big change is coming. And what I want to tell you is the big change is now here. These guys have been saying the singularity is coming. And the singularity is this event where the exponential growth curve of technology goes vertical. And so that's. So this is the first time I've heard. I've known Peter for a long time. The first time I heard him say the singularity is not coming. The singularity is here. We are now going straight up. And what that means is you may have noticed every week, every day, there's some new breakthrough in AI capability that would have been the news of the decade just three years ago. And now it's not even the news of a Twitter cycle because these agents now are so capable. And so what I told Peter, explain
- [16:43]
John Hope Bryant
what an agent is, please. We're going to do some translation. This is a great example, everybody. It's a great example. Normally if some Wall street geek or I've got some, some, you know, Michael Milken or some genius on here, I gotta say, slow down. I need to translate what you're saying here. And I need to go from Ph.D. to Ph.D. brother Van Jones from the hood D A hyphen, a who's now I'm having to translate for him, get him to, to, to translate and convert what he's saying in real time. He lives in this other. Yeah, other worlds. And, and people don't know necessarily. They're brilliant, they're really smart people. They don't know what an AI agent is. They don't know what competitive mind. So we're gonna have to stop and walk folks through.
- [17:32]
Van Jones
The good thing is that John and I are building Hope AI to make sure that you can understand this stuff better than anybody in the world. And that's coming. We're building it aggressively. Both of our teams are working on it. So if some of this stuff sounds a little bit weird, just see it as a, as a trailer for a movie. This is, this podcast is a trailer. Hope AI is the trilogy that's coming. So don't. So just, just relax.
- [17:56]
Shopify Host
A lot of you ask how I actually run my business behind the scenes and honestly, Shopify is the reason it exists. For me, Shopify is the place where I took this little idea I had and turned it into a real business. It's the platform where I own everything. My store, my customers, my community. When I started my storefront, Shopify made it just so easy. With just a few clicks, I was ready to share my vision with the world. And the best part, Shopify literally gets my products everywhere People Shop. Google, YouTube, TikTok, the Shop app, even ChatGPT. I still remember the first ever sale I made for my fashion brand. Embellished. That little notification. Cha ching, cha ching, cha ching is music to my ears. And Shopify made it all possible. I'm so pumped that Shopify is going to show up at our Black Effect podcast festival this year in a big way. For all of our small black owned businesses that partner with us. Plus Shop pay, the purple button is a game changer. Fast one click checkout. If I don't see it when I'm shopping. I'm stressed, so I love knowing my customers get that same trusted experience. Build your store, own your audience, and create something that lasts. Start now@shopify.com Ben run a business and
- [19:10]
iHeart Advertising Host
not thinking about podcasting? Think again. More Americans listen to podcasts than ad supported streaming music from Spotify and Pandora. And as the number one podcaster, iHeart's twice as large as the next two combined. So whatever your customers listen to, they'll hear your message. Plus, only iHeart can extend your message to audiences across broadcast radio. Think podcasting can help your business? Think iHeart streaming radio and podcasting. Let us show you at iheartadvertising.com that's
- [19:38]
Superhuman Podcast Promo Host
iheartadvertising.com Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all. Embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
- [19:57]
Van Jones
Within probably 10 days, I'd put on £10. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
- [20:04]
Superhuman Podcast Promo Host
Listen to Superhuman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [20:10]
Podcast Promo Host
Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history.
- [20:17]
John Hope Bryant
Danny.
- [20:17]
Podcast Promo Host
I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.
- [20:25]
John Hope Bryant
And just then, we felt the plane
- [20:28]
Van Jones
turn in the air.
- [20:30]
John Hope Bryant
So much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle.
- [20:35]
Podcast Promo Host
Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy. How it shapes our identities and relationships and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything and me pretending like everything was fine.
- [20:55]
iHeart Advertising Host
He kind of shoved me out of
- [20:56]
John Hope Bryant
the way and said, move.
- [20:58]
Podcast Promo Host
And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. And that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [21:13]
Van Jones
I will just back it up a bit. And thank you for. I do get ahead of myself. John.
- [21:17]
John Hope Bryant
No, you're brilliant. I love it. It's more sexy, brother.
- [21:21]
Van Jones
Yeah, well, the way out, the way I would say it, is that there are seven or eight trillion dollar industries that are taking off at the same Time. Maybe that's the best way to phrase, phrase it. So robotics is taking off. Biotech is taking off.
- [21:36]
John Hope Bryant
Off.
- [21:37]
Van Jones
Quantum is taking off. AI is taking.
- [21:40]
John Hope Bryant
No, no. What's quantum.
- [21:41]
Van Jones
Okay, so quantum. Quantum computing is the next form of computation to give you a sense what's computation. Okay, so. Okay, so the way that your computer reasons and drive through data is based on old physics. There's a new physical, a, a, an updated form of physics is, is quantum physics. And quantum physics uses something called superposition, which is, will take too long to explain, but the practical effect of it is these computers are going to be 10,000x faster.
- [22:25]
John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [22:25]
Van Jones
Than what you have.
- [22:26]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
- [22:27]
Van Jones
So. So what does that mean? That means cyber changes instantly. Your little password that you have protecting your computer, a normal computer, if you try to break that, it might take a million years. This thing might be able to do it, break it in that afternoon. So it's just a completely different level of computational power that is almost impossible to comprehend. That's coming. Private space.
- [22:58]
John Hope Bryant
Let me help you out here. So when, when our parents were growing up, computers were big as a building.
- [23:03]
Van Jones
Yes.
- [23:04]
John Hope Bryant
One computer. One computer as big as an office building or a small warehouse. And then you got it into a. Then Bill Gates time got it into one room. And then Steve Jobs and others got it on your, on your laptop. Well, on your laptop. And now this is a computer. It's on your phone. Okay, that's good. A smartphone. It's a computer. And what Van Jones is telling you now is that this is getting to a point where you'll have a computer on the tip of your. On the tip of your finger. And that computer on the tip of your finger will do 10x or in some cases, 100x. The speed and the power and the computation ability, the ability to process both content and time of anything you've ever seen. And it's going straight up.
- [23:55]
Van Jones
We're now on the vertical.
- [23:56]
John Hope Bryant
We're on the vertical and it's happening right now. So again, we don't have time to be arguing. We don't have time to be disagreeing with each other. We don't have time to be figuring out whether you like somebody or not. Sound like somebody, like the world is moving whether you like it or not. And we need to get on this train and you need to figure out who's next to you and decide you there's something about them you like because that's your seat. All right, buckle up and let's go back to you, Van.
- [24:20]
Van Jones
Good. So, so you have these trillion dollar industries that are jumping off. And on the one hand it's, you know, you don't have a lot of African Americans in particular participating. But at the same time, even though it's, we're on the vertical, the growth is still to come. So there's opportunities to get in, there's opportunities to participate, there's opportunities and necessity to get in, which I'll get to in a minute. But I think the most important thing that I can say is that there's something called. These are all terms that you can just look up called accelerationism. All that is is the people who are in the computer science world and the AI world who want to go as fast as possible. Those people who have always said, let's go, go, go, go, go, at this conference last week, the first time I've heard them say, hold on a second, this is going so fast that now we're getting scared. Never heard that from the accelerationist crowd. And they invited me to speak to an important subsection of that gathering. The patrons, the people who write the bigger checks. And just like, what do you see? And so I want to tell your audience, I haven't spoken about this publicly at all. I've been waiting to tell your audience what I told this incredibly select group of billionaires and more who have been driving this thing as they're sitting there looking at these, at what these things can do. Oh, the agents. Sorry. So when you have ChatGPT, that's just, it's called a chatbot. It's basically, it's just, it's basically just predicting the next word. And so even though it seems super brilliant, it's really just a prediction machine. And, and it has to. It can't do very much except answer your questions. Like a glorified Google search. It's like a Google search through all of human knowledge. An agent is not that an agent. So now you're going from chat to BT to say, claude, an agent can do stuff.
- [26:26]
John Hope Bryant
So please so explain to people what Claude is. Just very briefly.
- [26:29]
Van Jones
Okay, so Claude is created by a company called Anthropic
- [26:34]
John Hope Bryant
Founder who left. He was once with that.
- [26:38]
Van Jones
Yeah, so. So. So, yeah, so. So Dario, who's, who's someone's a friend of mine. And. And John's left OpenAI created Anthropic wanting to create something with a few more guardrails. What to make it a little bit more ethical. But he made a business decision that has changed the direction of the entire AI world. OpenAI decided they were going to go for just General growth. Get as many people engaged as possible. Anthropic didn't have that much capital. They said, well, we're going to focus on enterprise, we're going to focus on business and create things that are useful for businesses. What they created. They're not the only people they created, but what they I think perfected are these things called agents, which means you and your bot, your agent can do a lot more work. You could tell your, your agent, hey, I've got this tough problem to solve, this business problem to solve. I got this tough coding problem to solve. I'm going to go to bed and bought you solve it.
- [27:44]
John Hope Bryant
This is very important audience. It's very important, very important for you to go from a Google search or whatever it is you're searching from, right? To, you know, in a bot on a website to generative AI. Generative. Generative AI, Artificial intelligence, let's say my friend Sam Altman. And, and I think they're really best in class at this chat GPT. All right. And, and I'm on chat, you know, 50 times, 100 times a day. So is, so is Van. And then also understand these parallel universes, these other AI platforms that have different emphasis and different focus areas. He just gave you example of one Claude AI, which I also use. And now he just told you something which we could do. This would be the whole podcast, by the way. We're going to cover three or four different things, but this could just be the whole podcast. He told you about an AI agent.
- [28:35]
Van Jones
Yes.
- [28:35]
John Hope Bryant
Right. This is not your, this is not your marketing agent. This is not your business. It's not your sports agent, your travel agent agent. It's not your theoretical theatrical agent. Okay. Get that out of your head. Okay. We can spend the whole dang podcast. We won't blowing your mind about what you could do if you had a specialized AI agent. We're gonna, I'm gonna ask Van one more time to slow this down. Explain to you what an AI agent is because I think this is the one takeaway again, he started off chat. You can't leave chat and leave it with a task to go sleep at night. You need to give chat a task and task going to it to answer chat GPT. We'll answer that task and it might people please you a little bit. But we'll answer the task and you have to challenge it. You're going to need to challenge the generative AI because it may give you the right answer in the wrong lane. You got to be dumb in, dumb out. An AI Agent is different. Okay, Van, go a little deep on this, and then go. Go lateral however you want to go.
- [29:42]
Van Jones
So the thing about having an agent is. Or having multiple agents is you can now start creating businesses that have one human being, 40 bots, and that business can be valued at a billion dollars. This is where you're at now. You're thinking, on the one hand, this is a terrible thing because people might lose their jobs. I just want you to focus in on what's happening, because you could train a bot to take on certain key functions and to do them over and over and over again very, very fast and very, very accurately with. With human oversight. You become bionic. You become you and all of the bots that you own and control and direct. The same way that you direct people as a boss, you'll also be directing bots as a boss. And this is. This has just become possible in the past few months. So. But the fact that these agents are so capable, you have people who have been coding their whole lives who come across a very, very tough coding problem. They can just tell their bot, will you deal with this? Will you build this? And literally just go to sleep? And when they wake up, a week's worth of work has been done overnight. This is a capability that, in the hands of the people who are listening, you, you. As you're starting your business, you should be thinking, how many humans do I want to employ and how many bots do I want to deploy? This is the new business model. Humans and agents. Humans to employ, agents to deploy. Once you begin to understand that, you begin to realize, hold on a second. What has been my obstacle? If I'm an African American, I'm Latin. I'm just from a underprivileged background. I'm from Appalachia. I'm Native American, I'm female. I've never been able to get access to enough capital to hire enough people to do all the things that need to get done. Capital is no longer your obstacle. Capital is being displaced by code. Code is replacing capital, which means your creativity is the limit to what you can do. You can literally begin to vibe code.
- [32:11]
John Hope Bryant
This is capital.
- [32:14]
Van Jones
Now, your intellectual capital plus code is actually more valuable than financial capital and is the pathway to financial capital.
- [32:22]
John Hope Bryant
Well, let's stop Everybody. The last 50 years, labor made money. Well, money made money on labor. And then in the last 20, 30 years, many made more money on money than money could make on labor. And now what Van's telling you is that knowledge is how you make money. That's Coming.
- [32:54]
Van Jones
Yeah, I just want to change that one word from knowledge to intelligence.
- [32:59]
John Hope Bryant
Done. Perfect.
- [33:00]
Van Jones
Okay. Because intelligence does matter. That word matters because. Leave it this way. 200 years ago, if you wanted a glass of water, you had to get up out of your bed, walk out of your hut or cabin, down to a river with a bucket, get the water, walk back. Getting a glass of water was incredibly labor intensive. You don't know that because you grew up in a world where you could just literally do this and have water. So you don't even appreciate water. Water is the clean, fresh water is a miracle that for 10,000 years people would fight wars over you just do this and there's water. The same 10,000 years. Intelligence was very, very difficult to attain. You would have to be picked to go to a temple to learn to scribe. The library at Timbuktu, they had all the books in the world. It burned down. Like, intelligence was incredibly rare and incredibly valuable in our lifetime. You had to go to first grade, second grade, third grade, fourth grade, high school, college, get it, you know, be like me, go get a, do a fellowship at Princeton, a fellowship at mit, just to know stuff. Now intelligence is right here. You can literally, with these tools, get an awful lot of intelligence on tap. On tap. So here's the problem that we have, especially communities, you know, who may have been overlooked or underestimated. It's not so much that you now have a bunch of stuff you have to learn. That's true. We have to unlearn the idea that it's going to take us this long. It's going to take us 10 years to build a company. It's going to have to hire a thousand people. I've got to go to get a bank loan. The first thing you have to do is realize you might be able to build a billion dollar company with two people and a bunch of bots, let's
- [35:03]
John Hope Bryant
say a million dollar company, just to make it.
- [35:07]
Van Jones
You can definitely, you can definitely build a million dollar company with two people and a few bots. 100% like that's available as of, by the way, not September, not possible. Not October, not possible. December, possible. That's what's going on is that these. We went from chat bots being the main thing to agents being the main thing. If you understand that, what do you do? Get. Get on Claude. I'm not paid to support Claude. I don't have no stake in Claude. I've met Dario a couple of times. But my team is starting to use these bots, these agents, to super Accelerate my research ability so that I'm basically I'm on path now to being able to give myself the Equil equivalent of a PhD every three months.
- [36:02]
John Hope Bryant
Wow.
- [36:04]
Van Jones
Okay.
- [36:05]
John Hope Bryant
Like on the level of intelligence that you're gaining from this new water hose.
- [36:11]
Van Jones
Yes.
- [36:12]
John Hope Bryant
And this is, I'm certainly, I'm certainly doubling my intelligence level annually because of, of AI is my co creator.
- [36:28]
Van Jones
Yeah. So. So this is the, the something give you the. So that's the good news. Give you some bad news and give you some good news and then maybe I can come back and I want to have this conversation, but I want to have it with you. I, I, nothing I've said. Have you heard me say on cnn even on my own substack. I am talking to you because you're my co founder and co founder on Hope AI. So I want to have this conversation with you. And how much of this have I told you even before this?
- [36:55]
John Hope Bryant
None of it. We've not talked about any of this before and I want to talk about either this set conversation or next. Why black people in particular, black and brown people are not only not going to be a liability or be potentially left behind in this AI revolution, but actually might have for the first time almost ever qualities that were overrated. I'm sorry, overlooked, underrated, not appreciated. But actually in this AI world actually just might be super sized, super powerful and invaluable. But we'll get to that as part of this conversation.
- [37:34]
Van Jones
That's good, we'll close with that. But I think that the short way to say it is qualities and characteristics that you just said that may have been correlated with success in the old system may not be. And qualities that were correlated with failure in the old system may not be especially hustle, creativity, innovation, the ability to. Exactly. The ability to make unusual connections like all this stuff that people at the margins have to learn how to do to survive. You combine that with these tools also and all sudden you got, then you're on the vertical. The other thing that I think we have to be clear about is that our comfort level with dislocation. Like sometimes you say that it's just was a crisis for other communities, just another Tuesday for us that just like living in constant sort of disruption, you're pre adapted for the world that you're about to live in because it's going to be new things coming all the time. And if you used to have to deal with a different problem every day, you're even psychologically and spiritually pre adapted for some of this stuff. Let Me just tell you. So the good news is for you, you could definitely build a successful company with a lot fewer people and you can go a lot faster. You can get to an exit a lot faster. You might be able to build a billion dollar company and sell it to somebody this year. That, that's, that's that you should be thinking, your expectation should be. It's not going to take me 10 years, it's going to take me 10 months.
- [39:16]
John Hope Bryant
And audience, I want you to think million dollar company, million dollars, sure. But here's the good news. Look, it's only 10% of black America make a hundred thousand a year. Actually that's is sub 10%. I want you to think you can make a hundred grand right now a year and you don't have to do only fans. You don't have to do an influencer, you don't have to do anything illegal. You don't just, you don't have to sell marijuana. You don't have to, have to be a rapper. You know, you don't need to be in the entertainment business, no disrespect intended. The entertainment business, you can, you can make 100 grand a year plus. That's your, that's your jam.
- [39:52]
Van Jones
Yes.
- [39:53]
John Hope Bryant
Or you can build a seven figure business in your neighborhood just, just servicing your look, you don't have to be, you don't have to create a patent, you don't have to create a, you know, in where, Gainesville, wherever or you know, you're in Tallahassee, Florida where you can become the master of your space and build a, build some between a six and seven figure enterprise right where you live that creates generational wealth for your family. But again Van's thinking in the stratosphere. He's thinking billions. He's because he's, because he's talking to people who are going to have trillion dollar businesses. And I respect all that. I want you to know that. A million just fine, we'll take it.
- [40:34]
Van Jones
Turn it down a million.
- [40:36]
Shopify Host (Alternate)
I'll tell you that I get a lot of questions about how I run my business and keep everything operating smoothly. And the answer is Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform that lets me take my idea and turn it into a real fully functioning business. One of the biggest advantages is discoverability. Shopify puts my products in front of customers wherever they're already shopping. Google, YouTube, TikTok, shop the shop app and even inside ChatGPT. And for my store, whether it's a mug, a shirt or a hoodie, all the raindrops can get something special to call their own. And Shopify's AI co founder sidekick has become a core part of my workflow. It assists with tasks like website optimization and analyzing sale trends, updating product skus and generating reports. Right now the Black Effect storefront is busy and Shopify is handling the heavy lifting. I'm so pumped because Shopify is going to show up at our Black Effect Podcast festival this year in a big way for all of our small black owned businesses that partner with us. Build your store, own your audience and create something that lasts. Start now@shopify.com Ben run a business and
- [41:51]
iHeart Advertising Host
not thinking about podcasting? Think again. More Americans listen to podcasts than ad supported streaming music from Spotify and Pandora. And as the number one podcaster, iHeart's twice as large as the next two combined. So whatever your customers listen to, they'll hear your message. Plus, only iHeart can extend your message to audiences across broadcast radio. Think podcasting can help your business business? Think iHeart streaming radio and podcasting. Call 844-844 iHeart to get started. That's 844-844-IHEART.
- [42:21]
Superhuman Podcast Promo Host
Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque, others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
- [42:38]
Van Jones
Within probably 10 days, I'd put on £10. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
- [42:45]
Superhuman Podcast Promo Host
Listen to Superhuman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:51]
Podcast Promo Host
When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify. Get everything you need to grow the way you want, like all the way. Stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet. Track your cha chings from every channel right in one sp and turn real time reporting into big time opportunities. Take your business to a whole new level. Switch to Shopify. Start your free trial today.
- [43:23]
Van Jones
Now let me just give a little bit of the bad news and then we'll get back to the good news. There is a challenge which is that it's just the math of it as the technology developed on an exponential curve. Curve. But most people are adopting and adapting on a linear curve. There is a gap. And that gap could be called social unrest.
- [43:48]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah, three years where, where things are go worse before they get better.
- [43:52]
Van Jones
Exactly.
- [43:53]
John Hope Bryant
Down before they come back up.
- [43:55]
Van Jones
And in that period, that gap, which I call it the social unrest gap, you. You run some serious social risks. Now the people who are listening to this are going to be riding the curve up. So they're not. They're going to be exempted, but they're going to be. You're going to have some cousins that are not going to ride that curve and who are going to keep trying to do it the same thing, the same old way. And so there will be people who are left out, left behind. You know, what I told Peter was you think about that as a technical problem. You know, mass unemployment. This is the way you talk about it. And what do you do about that? I said, you're missing the human part of it. It's not mass unemployment that becomes mass humiliation. If you take 20, 30, 40 million people who have had a job, who went to college or who've done well, and all of a sudden all these corporations say, we don't need you, we don't need you. We don't need you. We're going to replace all the humans with these bots. What that does is I've worked in some of the toughest prisons in the world. You take somebody who already doesn't have anything and humiliate them, they become the most dangerous person in that prison.
- [45:03]
John Hope Bryant
The most dangerous person in the world is a person with no hope.
- [45:06]
Van Jones
No hope. And so, you know, these, you know, and Peter was like, you know, I'm concerned about what the social unrest in this transitional period. What, you know, some, some people, people listen to this are going to jump on Claude tonight. They're going to call their cousin or their, you know, nephew. They're going to get some coaching on it. They're going to look on YouTube videos, and by the end of the week, they're going to have made their first, develop their first skill, develop their first agent, and they're going to be, holy crap. I don't. I don't have to pay my bills because my bot does that for me. I don't have to. And they're going to be on a jetpack, but they're going to have a cousin or a neighbor this time. What about them? What I suggested to Peter is that we need entrepreneurs who are, who are launching what I call social tech technology companies that are designed to help distribute some of this abundance that you guys are creating. You're creating all this abundance for people who have bots and robots. But if you don't have bots and robots, you're just being abundance without participation, abundance without inclusion feels like scarcity. And so you think you're scaling abundance, but people are going to think you're scaling scarcity, you think you're creating more, but people don't feel like they're getting less. And so in that gap, we need moonshots of brilliance of people stepping in and saying, I'm going to make sure that every grandmother in Detroit gets her bills paid by using this platform. I'm going to step in and make sure that every young person in Atlanta is, is able to access, educate. We're going to need a wave of new entrepreneurs launching new moonshots in the social tech space, which would be a new set of companies. And those can make money. So your traditional businesses can make more money by using these agents. You're employing people and deploying agents. That's your traditional businesses. But I also want to point out because of this dislocation problem, there also can be new companies. This is where Hope AI becomes so important. Nobody is in a position to organize the tech sector and our communities to come together to solve that problem. Except for John o', Brien, the only person who has. Well, well, I'm happy you Batman, I'm Robin. But because he already has Sam Altman on speed dial because he's already moved through these different worlds, they trust him. He's in a position to have us come together. That between the AI Ethics council that you're running, John, and Hope AI, which you now launch, there's finally a space.
- [47:47]
John Hope Bryant
We also, by the way, have AI LP3, which is being run by Georgia State University and Dean Phillips there, he was just in my office yesterday. That is taking the key through high school and soon came through college ecosystem and, and pipelining young people to what do what they were used to call code, which you used to do, which is coding, but getting people, getting kids not be afraid of jobs future, but to create them. They'll be afraid of companies of the future, but to create them. So this pipeline of Prosperity through AI LP3 connects to Hope AI and is literally part of the Hope for the future and has all the school districts, Atlanta public schools and HBCUs and Georgia State University all connected together. So I want to add that.
- [48:36]
Van Jones
Yes. So again, how you relate to this at a human level, everybody will relate different. Some people like change. They'll be excited. Some people are not comfortable with change. They're going to be more nervous. But what I want us to always remember is, you know, whoever you are, you come from a people that overcame a lot. I don't care what color you are, I don't care what your faith is. You don't have to go back Too many generations to find people who had to overcome a lot and they figured it out. And we now live in a world that is a result of them figuring it out was World War II, the Great Depression, slavery, segregation, women can't vote. People always face these challenges and then we come up with a good outcome. I firmly believe that these tools are so extraordinary. If you can take these tools, basically they run on data and you combine them with wisdom. Data plus wisdom equals a great civilization.
- [49:49]
John Hope Bryant
Right?
- [49:50]
Van Jones
That's, that's what a great station is available to us. AI. Artificial intelligence is important, but so is ancient intelligence. AI. So is ancestral intelligence. AI. So is Aboriginal intelligence. AI, African intelligence, AI, Asian intelligence, AI. There's lots of AIs that need to be at the table with this new AI, so we can start to create futures that we want. But the first step for anybody listening to this is get the tool in your hand. I'm not, I'm not paid by Claude. This is one that everybody's found is the most useful. If somebody's a better one tomorrow, I'll tell you about that one.
- [50:29]
John Hope Bryant
But just so you know, Claude, AI,
- [50:32]
Van Jones
give yourself an hour a day that you're going to be scrolling on Instagram or scrolling on eggs or whatever. Take that hour, you would be on the phone anyway, on a computer anyway. And instead of scrolling on social media, play with Claude or any other platform that will let you start building agents. Because you have stuff in your life right now, like I said was paying bills, whatever it is that you don't like billing. So let a bot do it. And the minute you get one that does something for you in one second that would have taken you an hour, you suddenly realize you can get a lot of life back. You can get a lot of life back. You can make money, lose money, make it back. When you lose time, you never get it back. And so what these things are doing
- [51:21]
John Hope Bryant
is giving you so pause a minute. Audience evangelist gave you another mic drop. So think of an AI agent as an efficiency, time saver, a time recapture. Anything in the process in this routine that can be done. Yeah. In a, you know, think about it as a personal bot. That is, think about a rope, a virtual robot that is functioning and doing things for you when you're not doing it. That's the best way I can describe it and think about how many things in your life fit that category. Another thing he just said, which is not obvious, but I want to underscore it. Wealthy people value their time, poor people value their money. And all money is all cash is an exchange of value. That's it. A check. I can write a check on your T shirt with a routing number and account number and sign it. And you take that T shirt to the bank and the bank is going to be scratching their head thinking whether they are a legal responsibility to cash your T shirt. Because all a physical check is, is the structural in transfer, the structurally acceptable transfer of value of your money from one place to another. And I'm saying in this example, you can do this on my T shirt. And they got to sit there and question whether they are legally obligated to do that, whether all the parameters are there. I can give you a, I can give you this bottle and say, give me that pencil. And we've exchanged value because that's all currency is exchange of value. So we obsess on money, cash, bag, dollar, all this present moment, making a living stuff. But you're not building a life. And once you finish making a living and you're, and you got, and you're beyond a phase. If you got too much month at the end of your money, I know that's a big phase. Right when you went out of the desperation and praise of I'm in crisis mode. And you're going from survival to thriving mindset to winning and building mindset. Now you want time. And what a wealthy person, whether wealthy, whether you're wealthy in, in your pockets or you're wealthy in your mind, you understand the value of time. And what, and what technology does with AI does better than anything else is it gives you your time back. It gives you more time. Yes, but understand this. Wealthy people value time more than money. Poor people value money more than time.
- [53:54]
Van Jones
Well, listen, I mean, I almost want it when I ended there because it's just so much to say. But I do want to say something about time. And this is a little bit deep, but if you stay with us this long, maybe you like deep conversations with me and John. But not only is what John's saying exactly 100% correct, I've noticed this around wealthy people. They'll spend an infinite amount of money to not waste their time. People say, well, why do they have household staff cooking for them and cleaning for them? They just want to oppress poor people. No, they want to spend their time on reading, on high value relationships so they can continue the flywheel of their success. If you, you know, you know someone who could make a billion dollars but is instead of washing their own dishes and you know, doing their own laundry in their mind, I, I just lost $10 million. That mean the time I've wasted on doing that. So it's a different way of looking at time.
- [54:56]
John Hope Bryant
But by the way, that whole thing, this could be a separate podcast by itself. This could be a separate hour. What you just said. Why do I have a driver? I mean, I drive myself most of the time, but why do I have a sprinter? I'm trying to save time. I'm in the back working. I'm not sitting there drinking caviar.
- [55:14]
Van Jones
You working? Because you always call me from the back of that damn thing.
- [55:17]
John Hope Bryant
Why? Why do you have a cook? Because I'm not. It's not a good investment in my time because I need to be working. I mean, so. So all now, I want the list. I want the audience to stop flossing, stop focusing on blinging and singing and things. All that stuff that. All these tools, private jets, all that stuff's not meant to be in an Instagram photo, right? Know of a private jet, don't want anybody to see it. They're just trying to get from point A to point B efficiently, quickly. Not through airports, not standing in lines, not going through tsa. They want it because they're tied.
- [55:55]
Van Jones
Oh, that's the crazy thing. The first. The first time I flew on somebody's private jet, like, you know, they said, well, you know, meet me there at three. I said, well, what time is the plane leaving? He said, three. And I was like, what?
- [56:07]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
- [56:08]
Van Jones
He said, don't meet me there at three. We're leaving at three.
- [56:10]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
- [56:11]
Van Jones
I'm like, so in my mind, I'm so dumb. I'm like, well, I must be misunderstanding. If we're leaving at three, I need to get there at two. So I show up at a private airport an hour before the flight, and they're looking me like I'm a crazy person. Like, why are you here? Like, literally, rich people drive up, they get out the car, they walk on the flight, it takes off. So that whole hour and a half that I spend every time I go someplace they don't have to spend, and so they can put that toward this business deal, that business deal, this book, this relationship that keeps their thing going. So it's just a different mentality, which I've just, you know, observed. But I also just want to say something about people's experience of time in the age of the singularity. When you're. When now the curve has gone vertical, you will notice that there is a different form of time that you haven't experienced before, because it wasn't available before. So let me just. I'm going to give you a couple of examples. In the old days in indigenous culture, time was a circle. You know, the sun goes up, the sun goes down, the moon goes through its phases, you know, the, the plant, you harvest, everything in indigenous and agrarian life times a circle. In other words, tomorrow and yesterday are the same thing. We're just going to keep going through the same process with the sun and the moon and the seasons, etc. In that world, the most important key to survival is preservation of culture, preservation of seed. That's why whenever you're with indigenous people, it's very slow, it's very calm. Whenever you're on a farm, it's very slow, it's very calm because you're just preserving all these rituals and all this wisdom. Industrial society comes along and suddenly, for the first time ever, time isn't a circle, it's a line. And your experience in industrial society is not that you're in a circle, but you're on a train track. The past is behind you, the present is with you, and the future is over there. And so now the future is different than the past for the first time ever, and you're going someplace. The key survival skill in that is something called planning, because you need to pick. Where is this train going? I've got to plan my life. You ask somebody sixth grade, what are you going to be when you grow up? Are you going to college? Why? Because in industrial society, you better have a good plan. Because if you don't have a good plan, you're going to wind up over here when you want to be over there. And so we built all these institutions around planning, schools, universities, consultancies, etc, because you need to have a plan, you may notice. It's hard to plan now, isn't it? How are your plans in for, I don't know, year 2000? How'd they work out? It turns out that planning, you may notice, is a lot more difficult. Why? Because in the digital age, the future is not. You aren't experiencing the future anymore. As you're going to the future, you experience the future. As the future is coming to you, there's an onrushing future. You are sitting on the track and the train is coming to you. Multiple possible futures are coming to you. That's a new experience of time for a human being. That's why you feel a little bit concerned. And it turns out the skill set to survive and thrive in the digital era is not preservation, it's not planning. The key Skill is being prepared to pivot. Can you pivot? Can you say, okay, this is coming, but I don't want that. I'm going to move to this. Being prepared to pivot is the new survival skill. And who is better prepared to pivot and to move from this to this to this to that than people who've been living in disruption the whole time? So this is just a very long way of saying exactly what John said at the very beginning. Yes, planning is still important. Preservation is still important. I'm not saying it's not important. I'm just saying that now there's a new skill set. How do you prepare to pivot? That means you need to change what you're reading, watching, listening to. Instead of spending an hour on social media, spending an hour with your Claude bot. But now. But you're preparing yourself so that when the man comes and said, you're going to be fired, you say, no, you can't fire me because it's me plus these seven bots that I created for myself that are actually more valuable than your whole company. So, like, because you were preparing for the pivot, you were preparing to be able to deal with this thing. So listen, you know, these are things I've never even said perfectly my understanding of the human experience of time in the digital era, all these things are things that John and I are going to be institutionalizing through Hope AI. We want to give you an unfair advantage in this world. We want to give you an unfair advantage from a mindset point of view, from a skill set point of view, and from a tool set point of view so that you and your family can do well. And then because it's us, it's you, because it's John, we're not going to leave nobody behind. We also are going to figure out the social tech question to make sure that there are platforms helping the people who are getting left behind. But you yourself, I want you to be a winner, helping the people who might be losing. I don't want you to be a loser complaining and begging the government to help you, because the government cannot help you at this speed.
- [62:00]
John Hope Bryant
And maybe signaling they not interested in
- [62:02]
Van Jones
helping you anymore, even if they wanted to. And I'm not sure they do. But anyway, so let's. Look, I, I know, I know we're well past time, but I just want to say I spend a lot of time in very strange places, places that they don't let a lot of us go. John does the same thing. They would actually probably be nervous if they had 30, 40, 50 people that look like me and John, they would just change the whole vibe. And that's okay. We do stuff that they would change the vibe for. So we just decided. But there are things that are coming that are new on this earth, and there are things that are coming that what's ancient in you will help you to actually prevail. Your wisdom, your commitment to your family, your love of learning. You wouldn't be, we certainly wouldn't be this part of the podcast if you didn't have a level of learning. You have things that are going to, you know, when paired with these tools, make your life, your life better and hopefully make the world better. And hope AI is coming. And if you like any of this stuff, this is. This is just a trailer for the whole trilogy that we got cooked up.
- [63:25]
John Hope Bryant
I have learned from you this 45 minutes to an hour, man. I've learned from you. I learned every time we speak, I want. And I have a note for the audience, and I hope parts of this go viral because I want parts of this in particular to be emphasized. Parts of this need to go viral so they listen to the large part that won't. Here's the part. Because Dr. King was really brilliant at taking the important and making it feel urgent. Oftentimes, the urgent crowds out the important and the emotional crowds out the rational. And I always say, when something's personal, whenever. Whenever you're emotional about making an emotional decision, it's going to be a wrong one. I'd rather you respect me and learn to like me and like me and never respect me. I'll be offended later. I'm nosy right now because I may miss something being offended. I. God gave me two ears and one mouth, so. So I listened twice as much as I talk a Caucasian friend. I'm saying this in on purpose. I'm. I'm out at the track condo where I race cars in. In my office out here. And the. In a very, very, very prominent Caucasian friend here. I had a suggestion for him, and he wasn't really listening. He was just so busy talking. And I said, will you please shut the muck up? Please, just. Just knock it. Shut up so I can tell you what I have to tell you. I. I'm just telling you this because I love you, but you got to shut up for a minute. And he got offended by what I said. I said, look, don't. You don't have time to be offended. You've never seen a brother talk like this before.
- [65:05]
Van Jones
You don't have time to be a bit.
- [65:06]
John Hope Bryant
I don't need you. I don't need a thing you've got. I don't want a thing you've got. I'm just trying to help you be better. And I'm telling you, everybody else over here are behind you. I'm looking over here in front of you at where you can go. But you got to get out of your own way. You got to get out of your own way in order. What you don't know that. You don't know that she's killing you, but you think you know. You don't have time to be offended. Be offended later. I'm telling you this because I love you. It's like a parent would. You didn't like what your parents tell you. I didn't like what my mother was telling me for 20 years. I was upset with her and then realized I later on. Dang, she was completely right. So glad she told me to hang out with those people and all that kind of stuff. Stop being offended. Stop not understanding what Van Jones is saying. Stop looking at the small thing and missing the big thing step and not in it. Stop rearranging the deck chairs in the Titanic. The ship is sinking. We picking drapes. We're using old software. We're in an old system where we got. We have old habits, we have old wounds, we have old trauma and it's triggering us. And this guy is trying to give you a. A North Star that, that will change every star in your universe. And you can't be black for a living anymore. If you're black. Looking at this, you, you can't be black for a living anymore. It's over. You may not think it's over. It's over.
- [66:38]
Van Jones
It's.
- [66:40]
John Hope Bryant
Slavery was about money. I mean this is a 400 year old like delayed message, right? That wasn't about black. That was about money. No one brought you all the way over here because they didn't like you. You were valuable to them. But unfortunately you couldn't create an ass because you were one. So now here you are in a flat world with everybody starting is Van Jones one time. I'm gonna leave it here, man. Votes ran. Jones once told me, you know, John 99 of black folks, here's the one or another thing people get offended by the half the message. 99 black folks don't know a thing about AI. Somebody would just stop there and be a fan. What are you saying about black? Slow down the end of the sentence. And John 99 of white folks don't know a thing about AI either. Boom. My whole brain. I said fan. You mean we're on a level playing field? Yes.
- [67:32]
Van Jones
Even Steven, for. For 99.9 of people, this conversation we had is already past them. So you are sitting here literally the first time in your life. This is. Even Steven is jump ball. It's jump ball. If you. If you put your hour a day into Claude By, I guarantee you, call me, I will give you cash money. I guarantee you if you put an hour a day into Cloud for a month, your entire life will change, your entire business will change, your family will change. And it's free.
- [68:08]
John Hope Bryant
You can spend more money, do a half dozen of them. But. But, yeah, sure.
- [68:12]
Van Jones
I mean, yeah. I mean, but reality is. Initially, it's free. Once you start becoming a super user, you're going to have to pay a little bit more money, but you're going to make so much more money and save so much more money. It doesn't matter. Look, I got to go, and you got to go. All I want to say is that Hope AI is very important. When John announced it, if you look at me, I was almost just bouncing like a child behind him, because I understand the importance of taking this level of understanding and making it broadly available to people who might otherwise be overlooked. And I know the good that will come from it. And look, your friendship is priceless to me. We weren't doing anything together, you'd still be my favorite person. But we're gonna do something really, really great. And this is just. This is just a trailer for the trilogy you're gonna see with Hope AI.
- [69:08]
John Hope Bryant
The best is yet to come. This has been Van Jones and, to a lesser degree, John o'. Brien. That's Batman. I'm Robin. This is Hope AI. We're going to change the world as you see it in our lifetime. And you're going to change the world of everybody around you. We are going to be the change we want to see in the world. This is the third reconstruction. Money and wealth with John o' Brien is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from the Black Effect Podcast network, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
- [69:46]
Shopify Host
This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.