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John Hope Bryant
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Andrew Young
Hey, I'm on the wrong program. I don't belong here.
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John Hope Bryant
No.
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Andrew Young
If you're talking about money and wealth, if you're talking about politics and if you're talking about human rights, then maybe you got the right fellow. But go ahead, let's see where we go.
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John Hope Bryant
I think the guy who helped to build the only international city in the South, Atlanta, Georgia, the traditional south, into a $450 billion plus a year economic powerhouse. The only mayor who happened to be mentored by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr amongst his many successes, and the guy who made, I knew, a million dollars a year and gave most of it away. I think you're more than qualified to talk about money and wealth. Just the only reason you don't have it is you gave it away. So now he interrupted me. I can tell you the gentleman next to me, my mentor, my hero. The operational global spokesman is Ambassador, Rev. Dr. Ambassador Andrew J. Young, who I jokingly, but I think seriously also suggests is that Nelson Mandela. Of our generation in the world, there is nobody else who has 130 honorary doctorate degrees, doesn't exist. Not a black man. When I was coming up trying to be an international businessman, the only two people I knew who were international and about the business and respected by whites and blacks and everybody else around the world was Quincy Jones and Ambassador Andrew Young. I didn't know either.
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Andrew Young
What is Quincy doing these days?
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John Hope Bryant
Quincy's doing. Quincy. Quincy's. Quincy's fine.
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Andrew Young
Okay.
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John Hope Bryant
But Ambassador Young is 92 years young and as you're about to hear, ain't nothing old about him. But what you have is a unique opportunity to get both a history lesson and a business plan for your life. This is not just looking backwards, it's looking forward. This is about right now. Because over his span of 92 years, we've gone from what they call civil rights to what I call civil rights. I mean, he was in the room. I saw a video recently on Instagram where folks are talking about Dr. King's last meetings and he met with Harry Belafonte in New York talking about the next movement being about poverty. Well, you don't need to watch a video about that. He was in the room. He was also on the balcony when Dr. King was assassinated. This is the man who has lived history, helped to get President Jimmy Carter elected along with Daddy. King was the first black UN Ambassador in the history of the US And I won't do this for long because he'll interrupt me. He was the first black man to be elected into Congress since Reconstruction. And the mayor, Mayor Jackson, to give him his credit, created black wealth in Atlanta. But it was Andrew Young who actually turned the color green and made it international. He turned Atlanta in the. Into the only international city, as I said earlier, in the traditional South. And it's the biggest economy in the traditional south, folks. Trying to copy what he's done. I mean, basically, Nashville is a country music version of Atlanta. That's not a dis. That's a compliment to them.
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Andrew Young
And the Vanderbilt football team beat Alabama, so we got to show them a little something.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah. By the way, this. This episode is going to be evergreen, so you don't want to talk about too much stuff that is in the moment, because it's going to live on forever.
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Andrew Young
Okay?
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John Hope Bryant
As you can see, he has a very, very vibrant sense of humor. And he doesn't mind cutting me off either. As you will notice throughout the entire segment, we'll try not to make this a comedy skit. But I love this guy. He is underrated in the world. He just came up Andrew Young Boulevard. I'm not kidding. To get to the office here, he had to come up Andrew Young. He talked about where he had lunch today. Well, you know, it was Andrew Young Boulevard in Blank Street. He just says it like it's nothing. I'm like, yeah, but you're Andrew Young. He doesn't even think about it. It's just. Just an incredible leader in the world, and you should do your research. By the way, you guys watching, listening to this, I'm sure you've heard the name and you knew he had some associated association with Dr. King, but I'm sure you didn't know. Not know all. Did you know he brought the Olympic Games to Atlanta? Hello. The 96 Olympic Games. It goes on and on and on. So do some research. Use artificial intelligence and use the Internet for something productive. Research his name. Teach it to your kids, your brother, your sister, your friends, your mother, your wife, your mate. Because this is the history that matters. Now we're going to get into this money and wealth episode because there's some things you don't know you might have assumed that are wrong. How did Andrew young get to Dr. King? Well, they knew each other. You'll hear the story, and they liked each other. But there were people within the SCLC that figured, you know, everybody had a role already, they didn't need him around. And Dr. King was out giving speeches. It was it. And so they really tried to shoo him away, but he came back with some money. This is where the money conversation starts. He came back to SCLC to support Dr. King with some money. What was that about? Ambassador? Yo.
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Andrew Young
What happened was that there was a wonderful lady by the name of Mrs. Septima Clark from Charleston, South Carolina, and she was teaching the longshoremen. They lived on John's island and had to come to work every morning between 5 and 6 on a ferry. Well, Mrs. Clark was a schoolteacher who got up at 4:30 in the morning, got on the ferry, and she was teaching these longshoremen to read and write so that they could register to vote. And that's the way she taught them. And she taught them, really, by teaching them that they could already read. For instance, well, here, if you hold that up, everybody say Coca Cola. And there may be a thousand signs, a thousand words that are in everybody's vocabulary, but they never hook them together. And what she did was develop a method of reading, teaching reading, that when you learn Coca Cola, she broke it down into syllables so that whenever you see co, you see co, and la is law. And once she taught people to recognize the syllables, it was pretty easy for them to, in their daily lives, just read the things that they were looking at. And the state of South Carolina fired her from a teaching job.
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John Hope Bryant
Okay, we're gonna have this problem the entire podcast. I asked him a question about him. He's gonna tell us a story about some person who he wants to make sure they get credit for being in the civil rights movement. Ambassador Young, you're humble. I'm talking about you and how you got the job working with Dr. King and that grant you got from your church. What does this have to do with. What's her name? September Clark.
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Andrew Young
September Clark. What it has to do with. I wouldn't have thought about the grant until I met her.
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John Hope Bryant
Ah. So in other words, I just need to shut up and listen.
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Andrew Young
Money, wealth. Wealth at its best comes when you see a problem. And you realize that what's missing in that equation is the amount of money available.
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John Hope Bryant
Okay?
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Andrew Young
And so that's what brought me to Martin Luther King.
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John Hope Bryant
Really?
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Andrew Young
I then said, SCLC did not have a 501C3.
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John Hope Bryant
Right.
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Andrew Young
And so I went to my denomination, a nonprofit designation.
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John Hope Bryant
A proper one C3 is a nonprofit corporate designation. Did you know that, by the way? SCLC Dr. King's organization did not have a nonprofit designation.
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Andrew Young
He had just come from Montgomery to Atlanta. He stayed in Montgomery till almost 1961. And he came back to Atlanta and was starting an office from scratch when they talked to me. He didn't even have an office in Atlanta. And they came to see me in New York. I was working with the National Council of Churches, and my denominational headquarters was right there in New York. So I went over to see them, and they agreed that they would accept the grant from the Marshall Field Foundation. And we had schools that had been built after the Civil War under the American Missionary Association. And they put up money to repair two or three of these schools in South Carolina, Frogmore in Dorchester, Liberty county in Georgia, over in Alabama and Perry county, which is where Marion, Alabama, and Selma are related. And so we fixed up some properties and use them as teaching places. And then with the money that had been given to us by the Marshall Field foundation, she and I and Dorothy Cotton drove from Charleston all the way over to New Orleans, Louisiana, my hometown. And we stopped everywhere, every place. And we were looking for. We were looking for the people who had PhD minds, but who had never had a formal education. And believe it or not, there isn't a single town in the south where there wasn't somebody who was absolutely brilliant that everybody looked to for leadership. Sometimes they had a little education. Most of the time they had a business. And the people who were respected in the little towns, country towns, people, places like Itabina, Mississippi, that you might never have heard for. Of. Unless you knew James Bevel, who ended up working with us in the civil rights movement. In the civil rights movement. These are the children of the 60s. And I was a little older, but not much. And that's what brought me to work with Martin Luther King and parties.
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John Hope Bryant
Not telling you because he's humble, is. He's. I mean, he's just really. He's really smarter than everybody else in the room, and he intimidates people. And he's not gonna tell you this, but there's a certain person, I won't name his name, who wanted him fired, who wanted him out. He was like, look, everybody, got a seat here at Dr. King's office. We don't need you. And he came back with a grant. This grant had talked about to do nonprofit education, I'm sorry, nonviolent teaching for. Tied to the civil rights movement. And it was about $60,000, right? The grant, yeah.
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Andrew Young
50,000 to start with. And then they gave us another 25 and another 25. They were giving it to us as fast as we were spending it.
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John Hope Bryant
And that was a lot of money back then. The whole budget with Dr. King's movement, by the way, was no more than $600,000 in the course of the year. No, no more. For the biggest budget ever, change the world without doing a fight, without firing a shot, for the cost of a division or a department in most major corporations for one year. Anyway, the point of this story is they've tried to fire him. The first time he comes back with this grant, and they couldn't fire him. And Dr. King was like, you got some money, would you? And you also, you're a good person. Here, go sit right over there.
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Andrew Young
Well, it was really. I operated under the radar. Nobody knew I had the money except Dr. King and Dr. Mays, the President of Morehouse. And I was really writing checks on the church to rent a bus, for instance, the sponsor of the grant to rent a bus. And we'd rent a Greyhound bus. And we start in Louisiana and we come back to Charleston or Dorchester center, and we take a busload and keep them from Sunday to Saturday. And when you brought the brilliant leaders from all across the south together in one place and let them interact with each other, you didn't have to teach, you didn't have to do anything. In fact, as soon as they started, the people from Albany, they had one set of freedom songs. Ms. Hamer from Mississippi had another set of freedom songs, and everybody started singing their freedom songs. Well, that was an education right there. You had really united the South. Now, we didn't know we were doing it, but this is the way the.
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John Hope Bryant
Lord works and mysterious.
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Andrew Young
Even with money and with people, poor people and black people especially.
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John Hope Bryant
And here's another way the Lord works, because the Lord works through people. So again, once again, Bash, I'm talking about Ambassador Young. He's talking about everybody else. By the way, while we're watching this, I want you to do something. Don't do it if you're driving, but you're sitting around with your family. Google search Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. And Andrew Young, or just Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. You'll see in most of the photos, Andrew Young is next to him, never looking at the camera, looking up, looking sideways, looking down. He's looking for a threat, trying to help his friend. He's never trying to get attention. What is he doing now? Not trying to give attention to himself, talking about everybody else. Here's the message. When I talk to you about money, I said, don't Focus on the money, focus on the mindset. So, so the mindset of this conversation is Dr. King loved him because he was the. When he once he had his own money, that is what they didn't think about this that way back then. It's just the reality. Once he had his own money, Andrew Young could be a free thinker because you couldn't fire him. If Dr. King's out giving speeches and the in the end the bully in the office can bully everybody around because he can fire him, well, they gonna fall in line. Well, the one person who could say whatever he wanted to whomever he wanted, whenever he wanted, however he wanted without raising his voice, but talk without with principal was Andrew Young. Not only because that's the way he was built, he's really smart, but he had his own budget. So Dr. King could come back in the office and say, Andy, what do you think he called him?
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Andrew Young
And of course the other thing is that I sort of was raised with the mantra, there's no limit to what you can accomplish if you don't mind who gets the credit.
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John Hope Bryant
Right.
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Andrew Young
And I heard that from my daddy.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
And like with my grandchildren, I have to tell them right now, they get upset. And I said, don't get mad. When you get upset, stop, take three deep breaths and say to myself, don't get mad, get smart, turn your emotions off and let your mind work.
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John Hope Bryant
The.
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John Hope Bryant
Ooh wow.
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John Hope Bryant
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Andrew Young
He just slapped me. He said, remember, was it a, was.
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John Hope Bryant
It a fake boxing thing or what.
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Andrew Young
Was it a boxing thing? He'd always say, if you lose your temper in a fight, you're going to lose the fight. And he. I'm older than that. But the best illustration was Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
Because my father said, I said, daddy, I don't know whether Muhammad can beat him. He said, yeah, you'll probably knock him out in the first couple rounds. I said, as big and bad as Sonny Liston? And he said, yeah, but Senator Liston's angry and Muhammad Ali is using his mind. Don't get mad, get smart. He said, sonny Liston's gonna run in there and do something stupid.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes.
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Andrew Young
And Muhammad Ali is gonna say, yeah. And he'd gone.
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John Hope Bryant
Right, right. And then step away because. And wait for the next moment again. By the way, every great athlete that you admire, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, whoever the athlete is, you admire my friend Reggie Jackson, who we'll be interviewing on this podcast soon, all thinkers. Yeah, they're great athletes, but it's not just, it's not just athletic abilities that make you one of the best in the world.
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Andrew Young
Hank Aaron, who was a dear friend of his, was a good friend of ours here in Atlanta. Dear friend and. But my grandson, who was at the time about 10 years old, noticed that he was holding his bat in a, in a, in a statue different from anybody. And he said, grandpa, can I go see Mr. Aaron? I want to ask him why he holds his bat that way. And he spent a half hour Talking with a 10 year old about why he held the bat situation. And there were little things that he passed on to it that when he got through with the Sunday paper.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
He didn't just throw it away, he squashed it up one sheet at a time.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
Because when you take a Sunday paper and you squeeze one sheet at a time, you get one of the best exercises you can for your wrists and your shoe and your forearm. And there were all kinds, of course, with Hank Aaron, his started as a kid, six years old, he had to chop the wood for his Mama to cut the breakfast. So that all of these are reasons why he became a great hitter.
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John Hope Bryant
And, and Hank Aaron never caught, never lost his school, by the way, Ambassador Young does not leave, lose his cool. And he's taught me to step over mess. And I ended, I remember one day we were.
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Andrew Young
That's a good line. I didn't, I didn't teach you that. You made that up yourself. Step over mess and not in it.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes, yes. Don't win the battle and lose the war. So we were in Washington D.C. president Bush was the son, was the president. And he had promised me that he was going to make financial literacy the policy of the US Federal government. And several months had passed by since he had made the promise. I was in the cabinet room with all the members of the cabinet. I thought because of the President, like a king in England or something, that happens instantly. That's not the way it happens as a process. And Bastion was in town, as he always was in Washington doing some fancy business. And I went to go see him at his hotel. It was the only time he's ever gotten upset with me. Ambassador Young said, well, so how are things going? All these people aren't serious. I'm, this, I'm not sure this is going to work out. I mean, I'm tired of this. And he, and he said, stop it, John. He said, look, be skeptical, but don't be cynical because if you're cynical, you've lost hope. And he said, this is not about me. This is about we. This is not about you. It's about us. So your job is to assume that man, the President, is a good man with bad counsel. You go in there and give that man good counsel and wait for the political opportunity to make him look good. Remember that.
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Andrew Young
All right?
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John Hope Bryant
He's like, get out of my, get out of my room so I can go to sleep. And that changed my whole mindset. Don't be cynical. Be skeptical. Don't be cynical. Even the Lord wants you to be skeptical. You can question them all you want, but don't be cynical. Right? And because that's, that's lost hope. And the most dangerous person in the world is a person with no hope. And you don't want to make decisions emotionally. And Bastard Young is one of the most cool headed sometimes to me, sometimes for me too cool headed because I think people take advantage of them. He don't care. People are, you know, take it, you know, anyway. I think a lot more could get done if he helped people to be accountable. But it's not his style. And his style has worked as he reminds me all the time. Worked pretty well for him in his world, in his life. He is. He is known all over this world, been to 150 countries, has played a part of history in dozens of countries. Zimbabwe, Cuba, the Panama Canal. All this stuff, some of which you'll be able to read about, some of which we'd have to tell you about in any case. Go, by the way. Go watch. Go read the book. What's my favorite book? The black one with the red lettering. Your book. You wrote An Easy Bird, an Easy Burden. Yeah, Read Easy Burden, read An Easy Burden. It's a great book. Now let's go back to lessons. It's about mindset. Mindset. Sharpening your mindset. So I'm just gonna. We don't have time in the hour podcast to go through his whole history. We. This could be literally a podcast series once a day for five years. You wouldn't get to all of Andrew Young's stories and his lessons, but a couple of them. So he just gave you one about his father. So that means you gotta. You love your son, but also hold them accountable, hold them to high standards, Love and discipline, love and responsibility, love and accountability. I really respect me and learn to like me than like me. Never respect me. Like, emotions are good, but high standards, discipline, and high expectations are even better form of love with a young black man. He's in. He's in south. He's with Dr. King now. He's. Dr. King is now. Has now identified him as a free thinker who will give him, who will tell the truth. Dr. King, by the way, didn't like conflict. The one time Dr. King got upset with you. This is not the lesson, but this is a funny antidote. There's only one time that Dr. King got upset with you. What was that that time?
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Andrew Young
I don't want to say what it was, but.
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John Hope Bryant
Or whoever.
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Andrew Young
Everybody wanted to go to Mississippi because James Meredith had gotten shot. And we were also in. We were working in Cleveland and we were working in Chicago, and we were working in the state of Georgia and Alabama, and we only had 30 people on stage.
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John Hope Bryant
Wow.
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Andrew Young
And I have 400. Everybody got nervous and upset about James Meredith getting shot, and they wanted to stop everything and go tend to Meredith. Well, I was disgusted and said, okay, let's go.
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John Hope Bryant
He didn't say, let's go. He said something else, but you get the point.
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Andrew Young
And Dr. King said, Just a minute, I gotta run to the bathroom. And then he said, andy, meet me in My office. And I said, okay. So when I get in his office, he said, what in the world are you doing? He said, don't you know we got four movements going and you want to. You just let the whole staff run to Mississippi, do what they like because they got emotionally upset about James Meredith. Now it turned out James Meredith didn't get killed and he was out there walking by himself. He had not consulted with any. Anybody about anything. And it was, it was a miscalculated, I thought, egotistical movement. And he did too. But when I said, let's go, he said, now you got me running all the way over to Mississippi. We got stuff to do in Chicago and Cleveland and still in Birmingham and I mean, started good in Atlanta. And he said, I don't need you if you want to be a weak knee punk. Yeah, well, yeah, he didn't say that. He said, if you're going to go along with every right, then I don't need you. He said, I need somebody to tell the. Whatever is the bad news. Let's focus on what are the difficulties in a problem. That's what I need. I don't need everybody to agree.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes.
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Andrew Young
I need somebody to disagree and have a reasonable disagreement. Then I can make the decision as to where we come down between left and right.
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John Hope Bryant
That's beautiful. So he really was a consigliere. He really was a.
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Andrew Young
He said, they call you an Uncle Tom. That's what I need. He said Uncle Tom was a reasonable man. He may not have had courage, but he had reason. And before he had a movement, a black man better be using his head to reason his way through his problems.
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John Hope Bryant
And for anybody in here, you want a quick history lesson, go research who Uncle Tom actually was. This is a great example of somebody telling. Turning your legacy upside down and lying to you. Uncle Tom was a bad dude. That was a.
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Andrew Young
Is.
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John Hope Bryant
That was a real name obviously. But the guy who called Uncle Tom was, was actually a slave who freed himself and created an underground passageway to Canada and took a bunch of former slaves to freedom in Canada, created a school owned real estate. He's a bad boy. Then they turned it into this caricature. Some folks did, I won't say who they were racist and made it into this character that supposedly was a negative thing. That brother was bad, bad, bad, bad. Now smart, really smart. And. And some folks will say, well, Andy, you weren't arrested in the movie, by the way. Not true. He was also beat up in. In Florida. So in City Augustine, St. Augustine within an inch of his life. But that's not true. That's not the point. They said, oh, Andy, you know where to rest. Dr. King didn't want him arrested. Please get this part of the memo, Doc. That was the one guy he did not want arrested because he was a thinker. And he did what I just. So Dr. King was going, go ahead.
- [34:03]
Andrew Young
If everybody's going to jail, who's going to run stuff out? You know, who's going to run things outside the jail?
- [34:10]
John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [34:11]
Andrew Young
You never could get everybody in jail, and you had to keep the movement going, and Dr. King couldn't be out keeping it going.
- [34:19]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
- [34:19]
Andrew Young
So I'd have to run to the jail every day, sometimes two or three times a day. And that wasn't easy, but it. Well, it was easy for me because I had learned to deal with crazy policemen. And you know the same thing my daddy said, don't get mad, get smart. And one of the things he said, if police, a little boy In New Orleans, 10, 12 years old, he said, if a policeman stops, you call him by name. Look at his name tag. And don't say officer. Policeman, say officer Brown, Officer Jones, Officer. This office sergeant. Make it sergeant and call him by his name and give him the respect of a title. And you'll be surprised. That makes it easier for him to give you respect because you have given. You have extended him the respect of his title and his. And recognize really his experience and his leadership.
- [35:27]
John Hope Bryant
And this played out literally when Dr. King was in jail a couple of times, you couldn't get in. No one could get in to see him. The racist police officers were, well, being racist. And you sweet talked your way in without giving up your own dignity. One time, I remember, was tied to the letter from a Birmingham jail, I believe.
- [35:47]
Andrew Young
No, no, this was in Albany.
- [35:48]
John Hope Bryant
In Albany.
- [35:49]
Andrew Young
In Albany. It, for one, when I went to see him, one, he wouldn't let me go to jail with him. He said, no, you have to stay out and you have to come in and see me at least twice a day. And I said, when I went in, as the sergeant said, part of keep him alive. By the way, there's a little nigga out here. We'll see them big niggas back there. What do I do?
- [36:17]
John Hope Bryant
By the way, that's a direct quote.
- [36:20]
Andrew Young
And so I went back and I told Dr. King what he said. He said, look, I don't care what he called you. You got to get in here twice a day.
- [36:29]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
- [36:30]
Andrew Young
So when I went out, I remember what my dad said. And I said, thank you very Much. Sergeant Hamilton.
- [36:36]
John Hope Bryant
You looked at his name?
- [36:37]
Andrew Young
I saw his name tag. And the next day I walked in and I greeted him, how you doing today, Sergeant Hamilton? And then I changed the subject altogether. I said, you know, as big as you are, you had to play football somewhere. Well, if there's one thing black folk and white folk get along with in the south is football. And he said, and he one, he smiled.
- [37:07]
John Hope Bryant
Oh, for the first time.
- [37:08]
Andrew Young
The first time he smiled, he said, yeah, I was attacked out at Valdosta State. Well, Valdosta had. They had 300 pound linemen in their high school team when the Green Bay packers didn't have that many people in the frontal line. So these were big, burly guys.
- [37:27]
John Hope Bryant
Right.
- [37:28]
Andrew Young
But because of that, I didn't want to rough him up and make him angry. So we talked about football. And then I said, oh, by the way, is it all right? Oh, he said, yeah, going back. And when I came out, about the third time that happened, I came out, he said, you know, I hate to ask you this, but the sheriff said that he's been listening to us talking out here and he wonders if you would mind coming to talk to him.
- [37:59]
John Hope Bryant
Wow.
- [38:00]
Andrew Young
And so I had to go knock on the sheriff's door, and he invited me in and he didn't want to talk to me about Dr. King. He didn't want to talk to me about the civil rights movement. He said, you know, I need somebody's advice and I hate to take advantage of you. I said, no, what's up? He said, you know, I got married and I married a little girl who's a Catholic, and she's upset with me because of what I'm doing here with the civil rights.
- [38:33]
John Hope Bryant
With the civil rights calling y'all niggers.
- [38:35]
Andrew Young
And. And I talked to him about a half an hour and I told him that, you know, you may need to listen to her a little bit, but I didn't put it all on her. I said, you have to understand that everybody in town has a position on you.
- [38:58]
John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [38:58]
Andrew Young
And some of them like you and some of them don't like you.
- [39:02]
John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [39:03]
Andrew Young
But you're the sheriff. You got to represent the law. Yes.
- [39:08]
John Hope Bryant
As it states right now.
- [39:10]
Andrew Young
Yeah. And it. But anyway, you gave him a gracious way out. I gave him a face saving way out.
- [39:16]
John Hope Bryant
Yes. Yes.
- [39:17]
Andrew Young
Now, when, when all of this was over, it wasn't even over six months, I got a call from Winston Sale of North Carolina. And a friend of mine was saying, andy, that we're trying to get a new police chief here. I said, yeah.
- [39:39]
John Hope Bryant
He said, please listen. Everybody, listen.
- [39:41]
Andrew Young
He said, the police chief that applied was the same some bitch that was dealing with you all down there in Albany. And he said. I said, yeah. He and I talked a lot. And he said, but he put your name down as a reference. See? Wow. And I said, a reference for what? And he said, we want to integrate the police force.
- [40:07]
John Hope Bryant
No way.
- [40:08]
Andrew Young
And he applied for the job. And I said, well, I know this sounds crazy, but wait a minute. We want to integrate the police force in Winston Salem.
- [40:18]
John Hope Bryant
But this is a white. This captain was this.
- [40:22]
Andrew Young
This is a black friend of Martin Luther King's calling me. Oh, say, asking this. Put your name down as a reference. What. What do you.
- [40:32]
John Hope Bryant
What you try. But they're trying to integrate into.
- [40:35]
Andrew Young
They were trying to integrate the police force in Winston Salem. They had no black police.
- [40:40]
John Hope Bryant
Right. And they were. So this guy applied for the job to lead it.
- [40:43]
Andrew Young
Fly for the job to be chief in Winston Salem.
- [40:46]
John Hope Bryant
And this guy put you down as a reference.
- [40:47]
Andrew Young
Put me down as a reference.
- [40:50]
John Hope Bryant
Who's now, Are you now Ambassador Andrew Young at this point?
- [40:52]
Andrew Young
No, I was still. I was still six months later. Yeah.
- [40:57]
John Hope Bryant
Okay, go ahead. Sorry.
- [40:58]
Andrew Young
And I said, well, you know, it depends if you're going to have a lot of whites officers rebelling against integration. I said, he might be a guy with the authority. Yeah, he has a reputation, which is not true. But he stood up against Martin Luther King, and at least he was nonviolent. And I said, we actually called you.
- [41:31]
John Hope Bryant
Nigga didn't beat you like one.
- [41:32]
Andrew Young
Well, he did. He didn't call me a.
- [41:35]
John Hope Bryant
It was.
- [41:35]
Andrew Young
It was obviously the other chief. The other sergeant. Sergeant. Right. And I said, really? If you give him a chance, make sure he wants to desegregate the police force. And if he can convince you that he is interested in having a black and white police force, male and female. I said, he's got the credentials to probably pull it off for you.
- [42:06]
John Hope Bryant
This is the 1960s.
- [42:07]
Andrew Young
Yeah. All this was between 1960 and about 19. Well, we were 62. We were in Albany then. After Montgomery, this was probably. I mean, after Birmingham, this was probably 63 or 64.
- [42:23]
John Hope Bryant
Unbelievable. Did you turn this around so much? This guy viewed you as his counselor and someone for whom he respected enough to put you down as a reference for a job. That's unbelievable.
- [42:35]
Andrew Young
Well, let me tell you this. That there is not a person in the world I don't believe I have run into that isn't anxious to talk with somebody different quietly and secretly, because everybody's got problems about somebody else.
- [43:01]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
- [43:03]
Andrew Young
And but it's not everybody. You carry yourself.
- [43:08]
John Hope Bryant
There you go. There you go.
- [43:10]
Andrew Young
Well, a reporter. Reporter for. Well he was the editor of the New York Times. Wrote a story in weekly.
- [43:19]
John Hope Bryant
His Times weekly.
- [43:19]
Andrew Young
Yeah, yeah, that New York Times weekly. That where he Talked about the 16 year old black woman who educated him on race while when he was between. She was his babysitter between 6 to 10 and she taught him about the race problem.
- [43:47]
John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [43:47]
Andrew Young
And now he's the editor of the New York Times.
- [43:50]
John Hope Bryant
Wow.
- [43:51]
Andrew Young
Saying and wrote a beautiful article about how this young black woman was the one who made him sensitive to all of the racism that was coming into him from his school and his church and everywhere else.
- [44:09]
John Hope Bryant
So Ambassador Young gives me credit for this quote I'm about to use which I lifted from 1940s book by C.S. lewis. Mere Christianity. But talk without being offensive, listen without being defensive and always leave even your adversary with their dignity. Because if you don't slowly talk without being offensive, listen without being defensive and always leave even your adversary with their dignity otherwise they will spend the rest of their life working to make you miserable. It becomes personal. And what you just heard there was a lesson in leadership and effectiveness because Dr. King, Dr. King would say to these radicals who were on the staff at sclc, Nick Rose, what's wrong with you? Don't you know? We don't have an army. They have an Army. We have 30, 60, 70 people with no money in the bank and they got the entire budget for the largest government in the world, the largest military in the world. What do you think you going to do emotionally going to slap you? Slap them? They going to shoot you, you shoot you. They're going to blow them, they're going to shoot them, they're going to blow you up. Like this does not end well for us. We've got to be smarter. We got to use not our hands. But think from the shoulders up, not the shoulders down. And you need win, win, not win, lose. It's one of the problems of today's so called civil rights leaders. Some of them is they want somebody to lose and they want to win. That's not going to end well. Everybody has to have a sense of dignity and a gracious way out even if they have a wrong business plan. And what you just heard was one of just but one of the lesser known examples of that. And I want to make sure before we out of time we get to several examples because we get again this could be a whole series on Andrew Young lessons And maybe we should do that on leadership. But there was that example then this for no particular reason. I know when Dr. King was in that prison, he was in jail with all the pastors talking bad about him. He stepped over mess, not in it. And he wrote on the, on the edges of toilet tissue and the newspaper. Is that right? And smuggled it out through you. The notes on toilet tissue and on the edges of the newspaper, which by the way, the staff balled up and threw away. Can you believe this? This historic stuff. Yeah. Not him, but the other people staff threw it away anyway. He smuggled it out through Andrew Young and that if you want to read something brilliant, everybody read letter from a Birmingham jail where Dr. King steps over mess and not in it and leaves the pastors criticizing him a gracious way out of their own, I think incompetence.
- [46:48]
Andrew Young
But after that letter from the Birmingham jail, he really had laid out the first place. The people in Birmingham had written their own Birmingham manifesto. And it was very simple language, but they wanted a vote. They wanted to be able to go to the, to the city hall without being discourteously treated by the police.
- [47:11]
John Hope Bryant
Right.
- [47:12]
Andrew Young
They wanted, you know, they wanted to be good citizens.
- [47:15]
John Hope Bryant
Right.
- [47:15]
Andrew Young
And the church leaders, white church leaders then wrote a letter condemning Martin Luther King saying that they wanted to do all of this, but he wouldn't let them because he has stirred up all of this trouble. Well, the end result was that his letter actually gave them a face saving way out. And when we started the negotiations, we had three documents to deal with. One was written by the. The people on the streets and the preachers and the ordinary folk, otherwise written by the white preachers which stated their position. And the third one was the letter from the Birmingham jail in which Martin Luther King basically took over the whole argument and gave everybody a face saving way out.
- [48:22]
John Hope Bryant
Wow. Wow. So the guy they tried to hold down lifted everybody else up.
- [48:27]
Andrew Young
But that's. That was in March of 1963.
- [48:39]
John Hope Bryant
Okay.
- [48:41]
Andrew Young
One year later in 64, the Congress took all of this debate and dialogue and produce the 1964 Civil Rights act which desegregated the whole south.
- [48:59]
John Hope Bryant
Now, by the way, lesson here, all these people, you know, slamming on deaths and marching and screaming and setting fire to this and setting fire to that and black power. By the way, Malcolm X really wanted to hang. There's a picture, there's a photo of Malcolm X in my office right here. Much respect to him, but Malcolm X really wanted to hang out with Dr. King. That's the true story behind all the. After all the rhetoric, he was trying to get through Dr. King, through Andrew Young. And there was one faithful meeting where they ran across each other in Congress. Anyway, that's maybe another video for another time. But I want you to know that. That of all that hooping and hollering, the one group that actually got results, four civil rights bills, one when Dr. King was passed away, the Open Housing act. But the three civil rights bills when Dr. King was alive. I'm sorry, the three civil rights bills that I got passed was the Dr. King, Andrew Young strategy, John Lewis and John Lewis strategy. Give him credit, of course, because he was with. He was with sncc, right?
- [49:53]
Andrew Young
Yeah. John Lewis, by the time. John Lewis was always. He was very much like Martin Luther King. He was elected by sncc, but he didn't see himself as representing the Student nonviolent Coordinating Committee. He saw himself as representing the best the movement had offered.
- [50:13]
John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [50:13]
Andrew Young
And so he was always calling on them to be a little more courageous.
- [50:19]
John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [50:21]
Andrew Young
And a little more reasonable.
- [50:23]
John Hope Bryant
Right. A little bit more high minded. So we. Look, you guys got to tell me whether you want us to continue this and do this another time. Maybe I'll talk him into coming back again. Maybe we do. Andrew Young, let me. Leadership lesson. No, no, I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. Before we wrap today's segment up, we got to cover two things just putting on the record so you don't lead us into another direction. One, I want to talk about his role in free enterprise's role in the civil rights movement itself. It's a little known, almost a completely unknown story that the only way he let me even talk about him and give him any credit is to bring in the facts that he cannot change, because it is the facts about the role of free enterprise played in the successes of the civil rights movement. Little known facts. It wasn't the government that integrated the South. It was the private sector. And so we didn't get into that. And number two, how did all that morph into the only mayor mentored by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. In the history of America, which is Andrew Young, Ambassador Andrew Young. And what did that manifest into, like, what did that experiment turn into? Well, of course, we're in Atlanta, just came off Andrew Young International Boulevard. And we know that Atlanta is the most successful, I'll say it, Black city in the world. Black led city, Black inspired city. We invite everybody here. By the way, the color is green. But I want to get in those two Things before we finish.
- [51:45]
Andrew Young
But let me start with the one thing before that.
- [51:48]
John Hope Bryant
Okay, but hold on. So you gotta have high self esteem around Andrew Young. I do want to mention no limit.
- [51:53]
Andrew Young
To what you can accomplish when you left.
- [51:55]
John Hope Bryant
Andrew. Don't talk.
- [51:56]
Andrew Young
No. If you don't mind who gets the credit.
- [51:58]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah, well you said that already.
- [51:59]
Andrew Young
Yeah, except that you talked about me doing all this in Atlanta. But we've had nine black mayors in a row. I know, I know.
- [52:09]
John Hope Bryant
And, and they're all great in their own ways.
- [52:14]
Andrew Young
In their own way. And it always worked together, the Olympics.
- [52:18]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah, but that was you. That nobody, everybody, everybody said, oh, even the other mayors. I was with Bill Campbell today. Andre. Andre Dickens. Mayor Andrew Dickens are mayor today. Shirley Franklin, even Maynard Jackson, who was the. Who created black wealth. They all would say, God rest those who are.
- [52:37]
Andrew Young
I was the oldest.
- [52:38]
John Hope Bryant
No, no, you're the most, you're the only. Look, this man, because he was the UN ambassador, he knew all the. He knew. Again, off script now, but anyway, I just set him straight because he just gave you some, some, some messy mess. He was the UN ambassador, the black first black one in the world. He knew all these, these heads of states. He knew all the countries. So when they trying to win the Olympics Games, it's about relationship capital, not just the best proposal. He could call all these folks up and he did. And get their votes. And he needed, they needed I think 100 votes or something like that to get the Olympic Games.
- [53:08]
Andrew Young
Oh, we needed a majority of 85.
- [53:12]
John Hope Bryant
All right, same thing. 100 votes. 85.
- [53:14]
Andrew Young
Yeah, but we got 55.
- [53:17]
John Hope Bryant
Right. Because he knew everybody.
- [53:18]
Andrew Young
Because there were 55 people that we had relationships with through the movie, him, through Ted Turner.
- [53:28]
John Hope Bryant
The civil rights movement didn't have no international relationships. That was Andrew Young.
- [53:31]
Andrew Young
No, the civil. But Ted Turner. When Jimmy Carter pulled the US out of the Olympics, Ted Turner went against him and took them on to Russia for the Goodwill Games. So ted turner had 16 votes in Russia. I had 19 votes in Africa.
- [53:54]
John Hope Bryant
Right.
- [53:55]
Andrew Young
That's more than enough.
- [53:57]
John Hope Bryant
So it worked.
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John Hope Bryant
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John Hope Bryant
Ooh wow.
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John Hope Bryant
Now you should also know that when Nelson Mandela another again another thing about mindset. Nelson man went to prison. Prison of an angry Black man at 47. Say they're 27 years. And by the time he got out, the prison guards were calling it Mandela University. Calling the prison Nelson Mandela University because they learned so much from this man. Think about with that, that sergeant, that captain. Well, the sergeant respected Andrew Young and the captain wanted to meet with Andrew Young and then put him down as a reference. Again, you turn. You flip the script, right? You flip the script all the time. When you're being run out of town, get in front of the crowd made like a parade. Dr. King is going in these towns and he basically my version of describing it shutting down the economy. It wasn't his intention. He was trying to disrupt injustice in a nonviolent way. They shut down the economy because 60% of the people in these small towns were black. So they got to sit in the back of the bus. But the color to get the color of green to get on the bus was still green. So there wasn't enough white people to sustain the economy. So when you shut down the economy for six weeks, the whole place is in pain.
- [59:07]
Andrew Young
But it was a year 382 days that they did not buy anything but food or medicine.
- [59:15]
John Hope Bryant
Which one is this?
- [59:16]
Andrew Young
That was the Montgomery improvement association in 1955.
- [59:19]
John Hope Bryant
That was before you.
- [59:20]
Andrew Young
That was before me. But the thing is that too was God's accident. The spirit moving through Rosa Parks. Yes, Rosa Parks never elected to anything last week, this week and was just. And there were people who had had done that before she did, but they didn't.
- [59:44]
John Hope Bryant
He's giving credit again, by the way. This is he can't help it.
- [59:48]
Andrew Young
Well, no, I want people to know that this. That freedom is a team sport.
- [59:58]
John Hope Bryant
Yes. Whoo. Drop the mic.
- [60:02]
Andrew Young
Freedom is a team sport.
- [60:04]
John Hope Bryant
Oh, that's beautiful. That freedom fighting is a team sport.
- [60:07]
Andrew Young
Yeah, yeah. But even get fighting for freedom and.
- [60:13]
John Hope Bryant
You can't have a momentary freedom high. You gotta do it consistently. Can't be doing it for a moment.
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Andrew Young
Well, yeah, for instance, looking at right now, we. We kind of messed up and got two or three Republican presidents in there and we've lost the supreme court. So the 64 Civil Rights act and the 65 Civil Rights act have been modified by that court that was modified by Republicans. Now let me go back and say Republicans created. Created the first court that gave us the civil rights bill.
- [60:59]
John Hope Bryant
Well, Republicans were the ones who actually different kind of. Republicans were the ones who. Abraham Lincoln was against slavery in the Civil War. And it flipped.
- [61:10]
Andrew Young
Right. Or really. No, 1954. That was an Eisenhower appointed court.
- [61:16]
John Hope Bryant
When you say Eisenhower, was he a Republican?
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Andrew Young
Eisenhower was a Republican, but every kind of Republican. Well, he was the kind of Republican that came from Abraham Lincoln.
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John Hope Bryant
Right. But then that flipped all that when you had Dixiecrats who were also not great, not really great, what you call Democrats, they were the problem. These guys flipped the political agenda also, you know, blacks became supportive of blacks, supportive Republicans because Abraham Lincoln gave him freedom. Blacks supported Democrats because. Because. Because Democrats gave him civil rights and social justice through. This is like. This is like one of the founders of America. This is like one of the framers of the Constitution. It's like George Washington sitting here. And we're going to get to these last two points.
- [62:02]
Andrew Young
But that John Kennedy got elected because he picked up the phone and called Coretta.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes.
- [62:12]
Andrew Young
While Martin was in jail.
- [62:14]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
And Daddy King said, I never known a preacher to pick up the phone and call a colored woman whose husband was in jail.
- [62:25]
John Hope Bryant
A preacher or a president? You said you never know a preacher. You meant a president?
- [62:28]
Andrew Young
Well, a president, but he said that he called the preacher.
- [62:33]
John Hope Bryant
Oh, okay.
- [62:34]
Andrew Young
To see about somebody in jail.
- [62:36]
John Hope Bryant
Okay.
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Andrew Young
And he said, I think I'm gonna throw all of my votes toward this Catholic boy. And that was the week or so before the election. And that supposedly swung the boat to Ken, to Kennedy.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah, I remember that. That the president, candidate, Candidate Kennedy had called Coretta to suggest his support. Right. So look, so now Andrew Young's in the movement. You've already talked. You already talked about. He was a free thinker and all that kind of stuff. And, and he was a. The sort of. He Was a conciglier inside of the staff, the negotiator. He's always been the ambassador. He's always been the bridge builder. He's always been the guy talking to the person nobody can talk to and finding common ground. That's always been his. His deal. Okay. He's graciously kind, unlike me. And so now he's in the movement. Dr. King has shut down once again the economy in another city. And Dr. King says to Andy, he calls him Andy. I call him Ambassador Young, even though he's my play father, my servant, my personal hero, my friend. Love this dude. You know, really raised me in my adult life. But I call him Ambassador Andrew Young out of respect. Now Dr. King says to Andy, his friend Andy, I need to take those overalls off and put a business suit on or shooting suit and tie and go meet with those business leaders behind closed doors when nobody knows is there and cut a deal to take the whites only signs down. Andy. And it was 100 business leaders in those tap in on average.
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Andrew Young
Well, it ended up being 100, but it started out with 10.
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John Hope Bryant
Okay.
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Andrew Young
And it was five or six black preachers with Martin Luther King. And There were about 10 white ministers and business people that came together to sit down, to negotiate. And into the black and white signs over lunch counter, for instance, over the water fountain. They negotiated. Attack on a time schedule. Say in the next one. Those little things too. That the little things on a big scale. But in every one of these department stores, there were black women who were maids. And the black women couldn't sell things. And they bring in these white college students and they'd let them sell goods and get a commission. But the black women had to wear smocks.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes.
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Andrew Young
And they had to go get them when somebody sent them to them. But every one of these business people knew that they could not run their stores without these black women.
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John Hope Bryant
Wow.
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Andrew Young
And that the kids they brought in from Alabama and Birmingham and Auburn, nice salespeople. But they didn't last long.
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John Hope Bryant
Right.
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Andrew Young
And when they realized that they couldn't work it, they couldn't run a store without the black folk. And they agreed to let the black folk put on dresses and sell and get a commission.
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John Hope Bryant
So what you just heard now everybody is real talk that's like. This is like. This is real talk. Affirmative action. This is economic integration. This is. This is real dei. Diversity, equity, inclusion. This ain't no program. No, you know, soft.
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Andrew Young
So except unlike the dei, they said we were already in it, doing the work.
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John Hope Bryant
That's right. And and that was just recognized. It was recognized. Which is what, which is why I'm pushing for economic inclusive economics, which is.
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Andrew Young
Recognizing that we have said that capitalism could not exist without black and brown people.
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John Hope Bryant
Without question, without question. There's not enough successful college educated white men to drive GDP gross domestic product for the next 30 years. And that's not a racial comment. It's just mathematically impossible. The cap, the free enterprise system needs all of God's children. God, as you tell me, great Andrew Young quote, coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. And isn't it ironic that at this moment in time that for the first time in history, the biggest economy in the world and the sole superpower cannot continue to succeed for 30 or 40 more years and be the light on the hill without teaching financial literacy to black and brown children at the bottom of the pyramid and women and poor whites by the way, and letting them come up the ladder and join the middle class and some of them join the wealthy class like I have. And to be a new symbol for hope and opportunity in the world. The country literally, mathematically cannot exist unless the bottom rise to the top or at least to the middle in the next 20 years. Otherwise we'll be an also ran country. We'll be the nation that used to let run the world. So my rich white friends, my poor black and brown friends do better if only to stay rich and white or at least rich. Or to use my quote that Rachel Dobbs loved so much, my chief of staff, if you deal with class, you get raised for free. So they were, they were dealing with this. They were way ahead of their times. And Dr. King would set that set it up and would be publicly recognized, rightly so, and quietly behind closed doors. Andrew Young would help to pay it off by cutting these deals.
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Andrew Young
Now what was that? If you deal with class, you get raised for free.
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John Hope Bryant
Every now and then I say something he likes. But every now and then it's also.
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Andrew Young
True the other way around. If you deal with race, you deal with class, you get class for free.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes, that is also true. But you got to deal with race in a way that is aspirational. Not just feeling sorry for somebody. It's about helping people to fulfill their untapped potential. And then, then it's the problem solves itself. I mean, Jews were a problem until they were treated like human beings. Italians were a problem until they were treated like human beings. Poland, I mean, if you go back 100 years, white folks were discriminated against when they came in this country. And now they're mainstream. Right? But back 100 years ago, Jews had to get. Get jobs at HBCUs because no one else would hire them. And that's part in part why they came to help us help you in the civil rights movement. People don't know that half of the whites supporting Dr. King in the civil rights movement were Jewish. By the way, that was a black Jewish coalition which needs to be strengthened. Again, I keep reminding folks, there is no black Greek coalition. There's no black British coalition. And go on and on and on. There's only a black Jewish coalition. I tell Jews on the other side, there's no Jewish Italian coalition. They need less enemies and more friends. We need more friends and less enemies. And together, oh, my God. You know, nobody's perfect. But how powerful that would be. Again, okay, so two final comments. So I covered one in summary, which was it was a free enterprise system because they were squeezed economically. That actually broke the back of discrimination in the south and took the whites only signs down. Because if you think about the lunch counters, the soda shops, the bus companies, privately owned back then, their wallets were hurting and they had. They wanted the customers come back. Whether they came to the back door, front door, side door, they want the customer. And that was a deal that Andrew Young cut. Just wasn't publicized because it was intentionally not publicized. So the story has never been told. It was the governor and the mayor standing in the front in the hallway saying, over my dead body. So just the opposite of the government being the solution. All right, so now you take all these lessons. Let's now end now. You were in this room. You left the Hyatt Regency here, having the last meeting on the last. The third level of the campaign of. So Dr. King said, I'm here to redeem America from the triple evils of war, racism and poverty. You're now dealing with poverty more poor whites America than poor anybody else. And you want to deal with all poverty for all people. You leave Atlanta, you go to New York at Harry Belafonte's house. And I'm now pivoting to this last movement about economics and how that then led you to ultimately become mayor of Atlanta and making a difference as CEO of Atlanta. But what can you tell the audience? What only you can say because you're the only person who actually can tell this story. You're the only person alive who has witnessed to this incredibly important conversation with your friend Dr. King.
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Andrew Young
Yeah, the conversation with Dr. King and Belafonte and Dick Hatcher. He was sleeping and the congressman from Detroit was that you shouldn't have to have a demonstration of a thousand people or even 100 people if you want a streetlight on the corner. If you want to improve the schools for your children.
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John Hope Bryant
This is what Dr. King was saying.
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Andrew Young
This is what Dr. King. If you want to improve the schools for your children, you need to elect people to the school board and that we need to take the civil rights movement into politics. And. Because politics is who's sitting at the table when the money is divided up. And if you're not, if you don't have somebody representing you.
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John Hope Bryant
Did you hear that? Everybody.
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Andrew Young
When the money is divided up, you not gonna get your share. It's human nature.
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John Hope Bryant
Politics is what, Again, who's sitting at.
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Andrew Young
The table when the money is divided up?
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John Hope Bryant
That's a. That's a bar.
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Andrew Young
That's the congress, but that's the city council. That's the board of education.
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John Hope Bryant
That's the mayor.
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Andrew Young
Yeah. The governor, and they're all county officials elected by your right to vote. And that's the reason your right to vote is absolutely sacred and why you.
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John Hope Bryant
Should be voting early and often.
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Andrew Young
Excuse me, but somebody said. What do you tell of somebody that said they don't want nothing to do with politics? I said, they don't want to be sitting at the table. They don't want somebody representing them at the table when the money's being divided up. Excuse my expression, but that's a dumb.
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John Hope Bryant
Oh, my God. That's a bar.
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Andrew Young
No other translation.
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John Hope Bryant
There's no other way. That's French, by the way. That was French he used. Now, look, look. There you go. And I. And I agree with him. Look, if you. If you're not at the table, you're on the menu. Did you hear that? And he gave his life, Doctor. He was on that balcony when Dr. King was assassin. Kind of pinched this guy sometimes. Like, it's like living history. He's on the balcony of Dr. King's assassin.
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Andrew Young
The parking lot.
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John Hope Bryant
Okay. Excuse me. He was on site. You were. You were downstairs at the car, because you were. You guys had a pillow fight in the. In the. In the bedroom.
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Andrew Young
Yeah. And then Dr. King went upstairs and.
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John Hope Bryant
He forgot something in the room or something.
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Andrew Young
No, he went up. See, they. They were in the under. I mean, had his undershirt on. He didn't have on a shirt and tie, okay. And he'd been. Been down there visiting with his brother, okay? And his little brother, his younger brother, okay? And they had ordered a bunch of catfish. They had about 10 of them in this big suite, and they were all. Somebody had sent in a, you know, a cart load of catfish, fried catfish. And they were high on each other and on the spirit. They weren't drinking any alcohol, but they were silly.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
And I'd never seen him quite that happy.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
And relaxed. And relaxed. And it.
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John Hope Bryant
Well, like he'd given up the ghost.
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Andrew Young
No, it was. It was like he was ready to. Well, at the time, I was convinced that we were trying to get this movement into politics in order to have access to the economy.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes.
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Andrew Young
And that's what the court case was about, that we could continue the march the next day and In Memphis. In Memphis.
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John Hope Bryant
Right. Corby was campaigned.
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Andrew Young
Yeah.
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John Hope Bryant
And he never made it to Washington for the first march. They got.
- [75:19]
Andrew Young
He never made it.
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John Hope Bryant
Got distracted. Yeah. That's a whole. We'll do this another podcast. They actually went to Washington, but that's a whole nother story. There's a lot of stories here. But anyway, he was there when all this stuff went down, and unfortunately, when Dr. King was assassinated, he was right there, and they had to call Coretta and the whole thing, and he could have given up and woe was me. And felt sorry for himself. And he had sat there for 20 years and wrote books and gave speeches about, oh, woe is me. And Dr. King was shot. He immediately put those overalls back on and organized. I mean, in fact, Coretta came and, by the way, did the march. They went back to Atlanta. It is not in chronology. Went back to Atlanta. Atlanta for the funeral. And you'll see it went through a Clark Atlanta University, where I'm on the board now. And Andrew Young is in those overalls with the horse drawn carriage Dr. King's casted on it in honor of poor people. And they kept the movement going. They kept the work going. And then you pivoted, per that meeting with hair Belafonte and Dr. King saying, we got to get beyond marching for a streetlight. We need to be at the table. And you then went to the table. First congressman elected since Reconstruction.
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Andrew Young
I wanted to run three campaigns, okay. Say one in Birmingham, one in Atlanta, and one in Savannah. And everybody was talking about running for something until they started getting killed. And then everybody said, you know, their families didn't want them to run. It wasn't a time. And nobody wanted to run. So Tara Belafonte said, looks like you running for Congress. I said, why me? He said, because nobody else wants to run. I said, I don't want to run either. He said, yeah, but you promised Martin Luther King. You agreed with Martin Luther King that the movement had to move into politics. So you're gonna have to be the one to move it. I said, well, let's try. Which we did. I mean, Atlanta was not a million people then.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah, the greater, the Greater Atlanta area, 6 million people now. Plus it wasn't a million people in greater Atlanta. And most of Atlanta was two lane highways or dirt. Some of them were dirt roads. Out where I live now was dirt roads. And she ride his bicycle out there. And part of the problem we have here is this is so successful because the infrastructure needs to be upgraded from when, from, from when to now.
- [77:51]
Andrew Young
But we're a city that would be ideal for 2 billion people in the metropolitan area.
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John Hope Bryant
Right. Not 6 million. And the place is exploding because his vision. We're going to do it. I promise you. We're at time and I want to make say a couple more things, but we're going to do. I'm going to, I'm going to guilt him to coming back and just talking about how to build a city and how to, and how to build an economy. And how did, and what did he do? What did Maynard Jackson do? Because he likes everybody else. Credit this. What did this person do? What did that person do? But what did he do to build Atlanta into the only international city in the traditional South? People like arguing with me online about, well, what the South. I don't mean Texas. I mean, I don't mean Florida. I mean the traditional South. You know exactly what I mean. The civil rights South. Okay. So we're going to ask him to come back to have that cop. Will you come back, please?
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Andrew Young
I'm here.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes, I can tell Andrew Young speak. That means yes if you give him a Coca Cola.
- [78:51]
Andrew Young
No, I realize that. Well, I'm 92 years young and most of the stuff that we're talking about, not many people know. And I'm not saying this to be critical. There's been a lot of books written, but most of the books were written by people who were not bad.
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John Hope Bryant
Whoa.
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Andrew Young
Including the books that are under some of our names. And so I've been trying to make sure that we have an accurate reference of history. What happened and why.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah. What really happened.
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Andrew Young
That's the reason it's important to give everybody the little bit of credit that they deserve because it was adding up all of those little bitty credits that made for a major social change.
- [79:53]
John Hope Bryant
Yeah. Amen. There's so many stories, there's so many lessons on mindset and leadership.
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Andrew Young
I mean it's not automatic and it's not simple. Yeah, but then it is. Because the one thing that I have about taking credit is I don't believe I knew any of this. And most of the things that Martin Luther King did happened to him because of Rosa Parks, because of Jimmie Lee Jackson, or because of some. Because most of the things that happened to me happened because he gave his life on that balcony.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
And he went there knowing, I think, that he might not leave. And everybody tried to tell him, don't go to Memphis, but he didn't go to Memphis. He went to glory.
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John Hope Bryant
Yes. Yes. And, I mean, Dr. King once said, it's not about how long you live is how well you live.
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Andrew Young
Yeah.
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John Hope Bryant
And the night before he was shot.
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Andrew Young
60 years since then, and he was just 39 years old.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
It's more than 60 years since 1968. And he's still as much alive today as he was in 1968.
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John Hope Bryant
In some ways. More so.
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Andrew Young
More so.
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John Hope Bryant
Just to close this out and we will bring him back, we need to talk about a number of things. We're going to do a. I'm going to try and talk them into a whole series of conversations now to unpack this and get it documented, but we're going to definitely come back and talk about the economy of the city. I do want you to drop the mic before we close with this quote about to live in a system of free enterprise. So we'll come back to that. If you live in a system of free enterprise, what you have to have. But just to close out the history lesson here on Dr. King and that pivot point in Memphis. The night before, he gave a speech at Mason Temple for Operation Hope Has a Hope Inside Location, by the way, Full circle on civil rights. And he gave a speech there. He didn't want to give the speech, didn't plan on giving a speech. It was storming outside. He asked somebody else to give a speech for him, but the crowd wanted to hear him. They wanted to hear Dr. King. And the call was made back to Dr. King at the hotel motel. Can you please come? The crowd wants you. And he shows up, and the crowd is overwhelming. And that night he gives a speech which. Which I think was now called the mountaintop speech. And it was the only time that I'm aware of that Dr. King collapsed. And he collapsed after the speech into the arms of his aides, just completely exhausted and spent. And he said, I may not get to the mountaintop with you. I've seen it. I may not get there. With you, I'm paraphrasing. But he was also encouraging and rallying those.
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Andrew Young
My people are going to get to the promised land.
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John Hope Bryant
That part. And so the next day, when they were having the pillow fights, he was so light in the area, it's almost as if he was unburdened and he was no longer afraid of what might come. And this is a guy who's unafraid. He's been unafraid the day I met him. Unafraid of whatever comes. He's unbothered, unafraid, unflustered. He's completely cool. And I get on him because he doesn't take enough credit. He doesn't market himself on stuff. He's a living legend. But part of that is his reason. He's still here in such great help. Because he doesn't take himself seriously. He takes the world seriously. Doesn't take himself seriously. He's not about himself, and he's not focusing on himself. He lives in the spirit. I suggest you need a business plan. I've been doing just fine living in the spirit, John. So you do all that stuff. I'll be cool. And you know what? He's not incorrect. And there's only one time. Ambassador Young. I'm sorry. It was twice he cursed me out. I've already mentioned one time. The other time he cursed me out, I was giving speeches. I was right. I was reading speeches. And he said, God dang it. John didn't say dang. Put that damn stuff down. You don't sound like Dr. King. You try to sound like Dr. King. You may not know it, but you're trying to sound like Dr. King. You ain't Dr. King. I knew him. You ain't him. You don't sound nothing like. And essentially, he said, you can't give speeches like Dr. King. He was a pastor. He's a doctorate degree. He in that. Pat that pulpit. You can't. It's not your. Dude, stop trying to just read. I'm sorry. Just talk. Don't read. I said, well, I may miss something. He said, people won't know what they missed. Remember that?
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Andrew Young
Yeah.
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John Hope Bryant
They won't know what they missed. Just speak from your heart. They don't remember what you said, what you wrote, what you felt. They remember how you made them feel and what you meant. They may remember how you made them feel. That was a Maya Angelou quote. Giving credit. And that's what I've been doing ever since. I've been doing that for 20 years. And that's what the most Notable thing about my speeches these days is the extemporaneous flow. I never use notes or whatever. It's just all in here and here now.
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Andrew Young
And people listen.
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John Hope Bryant
Everybody but you.
- [84:33]
Andrew Young
No, I listen. I listen. I think you have some very good ideas. In fact, I'm looking forward to hearing us talk a little more about integrating the money.
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John Hope Bryant
Integrating the money. And on that point, which that means he's coming back when he just said that. So give him that quote that you. That you. That I think is gangster as hell. You gave me this quote about. I call it financial literacy. You said, to live in a system of free enterprise and not to understand the rule. I know your course better than you. And not to understand the rules of free enterprise must be the very definition of slavery.
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Andrew Young
That sounds like something you would have.
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John Hope Bryant
Said, but you said, I just stole it from you.
- [85:19]
Andrew Young
But that's the thing about quotations. The better they are, the more people repeat them and share them.
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John Hope Bryant
Yeah.
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Andrew Young
And that's why we remember them.
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John Hope Bryant
Well, I hope you. You all remember this and I hope you. You've been even jogging, even cooking. You've been reflecting. You've been having a family meeting of family conversations and family time. You've been on the road, you've been at the house, you've been sitting in bed, wherever you are, listening to your podcast. I hope this has inspired you and lifted you up and share it with a friend. Tell everybody about the Money and Wealth series and this episode in particular, because you just got a history lesson that. I mean, I have the blessing of being around him a lot. He tries to avoid me if it doesn't work, and I don't. I can't remember. I can't remember this conversation, all this content in one place. This was. This was truly special. And you were just given this gift. So pass on your blessings. As you would say, very good. To others. Love and light. This is Ambassador Andrew Young and Lesser John O'Brien. This is Batman and Robin on the Money and Wealth podcast series in this episode on Black Effect Network. Thank you, Charlamagne. Thank you, iheartradio, for giving us this platform. Let's spread the word around the world and put in your comments what you want to hear. Andrew Young, Reverend Andrew Young, Ambassador Andrew Young talk about next Love and Light. Money and wealth with John O'Brien is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from the Black Effect Podcast network, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite show.
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Andrew Young
Sa.
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