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Energy before time. I manage my energy because time without energy is useless. If I'm exhausted, mentally cluttered, or emotionally drained, it doesn't matter how open my calendar is. I Won't perform well. So I protect my sleep at least six hours a night. No matter where I am in the world, no matter what I'm doing, I get six hours a night of sleep. My mental clarity, this is really important. That's why I say you cannot have a lot a bunch of noise going on in your life. You need to get the noise out of your head. You need clarity, Emotional stability. If you have a surviving mindset, if you're in a surviving state of mind, then your life is ready, fire, aim right. And that's not going to work long term. The clutter and the noise in your head is not going to work long term. So that's why I forget which book it was. It was the memo or up from nothing. I speak about this specifically and try to get you to go from a surviving mindset to a thriving mindset to a winning and a building mindset. So. I protect these things not perfectly, but intentionally. There is no perfect. A saint is a sinner. That got up. What I want you to do is the very best you can. Burnout isn't a badge of honor. It's a warning sign that the systems are missing. I want you to work smarter, not just harder. Even though hustle and hard work are not to be underrated, when I didn't have any money in my life, I had to have hustle on hustle, creating more hustle that compounded on itself. That's another podcast for another time. Thinking and capture. Most people don't lack intelligence, they lack capture. I hope you're writing this stuff down. Ideas are fragile people. They don't arrive politely when you're sitting at a desk. They show up while walking, while traveling between meetings, in quiet moments. When you get up to the middle of the night to go to the restroom, right when you're talking to your kids, just there you go, right? So I never trust my memory. Haven't you have this great idea about something? You say, oh, I'll write that down later. If you don't write it down, it's not real. Please remember that. Please write it down. Write that down. If you don't write it down, it's not real. You had some great brilliant thoughts and then later on you went to go write it down and you're like, where did it go? Exactly my point. It went away because it wasn't real. You didn't write it down. It's just fluid, right? So you never trust your memory. You trust your systems. If I have an idea that is worth having, it's Worth saving immediately. So I have voice notes. There's voice note on your phone. It's a voice note app on your phone. Most people don't even know that. I used to use that. I don't use that anymore, but that's where I started. Written notes. I'll tell you the tools that I use in a minute. Written notes for those who don't use technology. You write things down, that's fine. Or maybe if you use an iPad and iPad pen, then do that, right? Digital capture. We all know what that means, right? Your phone, your iPad, whatever digital tool you're using. Judgment comes later. People just get it written down. Editing comes later. Just get it written down. It could be messy as heck. Could have typos, could have spelling errors. It doesn't matter, just you talking to you. Just get it written down. All right? Respect the idea first, right? Entire books, speeches and initiatives have started this way. Nation building, business building, empire building have started this way. With the power of a powerful idea that's been written down and then and later on refined and structured. The JHB arch tools inside a system. Once you have a framework, you now need tools, right? But tools only work inside architecture. I think of my tools as an arc. Every piece has a role. Remove one and the structure weakens. So let me tell you about what just happened in the midst of this podcast taping to give you a sense of my tools. I don't use different kinds of manufacturers. If you like PCs, that's great, then use PCs. I use Apple products. They don't glitch, they don't, they don't crash. I used to. I got PTSD from computers crashing on me back in the day. You write be all into, something crashes and it goes away. And I'm sure that doesn't happen anymore. I'm sure this gotten much more efficient and technologically, you know, elegant. But I just like Apple products myself. And I'm not, you know, have no business relationship with Apple. I'm just telling you how what I do and what happened in the middle of this taping is my primary device that I was using for my recording, I didn't have it hooked up to a power unit and I had been messing around for longer than I expected. Well, the power died. That's okay. My iPad, which was my secondary unit, and I have a third, actually four pieces of tech here in front of me. It's all cloud based, right? It's all on a cloud system. It's all real time sync. So in real time, I just switched without you even knowing. I'm letting you know. Without you even knowing. I switched to my iPad Pro, which, and I get, I get. Make sure I get the best tech, the highest level of, of I can afford it now, can afford it back in the day, but maybe you could afford this if you weren't, you know, out at the mall or partying or whatever, right? What do you spend, your money? I'm not, I'm not judging you, I'm just saying. This was where I decided to invest my cash is in technology and systems to run my life. Because I do the work of several people through technology. I get the work done of several people because I leverage the power of technology. Okay, back to this. The JHB arc. So I think of my tools as an arc. Every piece has a role. Remove one and the structure weakens. Right? This is the JHB ARC again. I'm going to put these graphs out so you can capture them and use them yourself. Some tools help me capture ideas. Some tools help me plan. Some help me execute. Some help me help my teams communicate. Some help manage scale and relationships. The names of the tools matter less than their function. Now, that said, let me tell you the tools, some of the tools I use in order to capture ideas, and I cannot underscore this enough to capture an idea about a business, a function, a project, your, Your kid's birthday party, everything from personal to a wedding anniversary to a business concept, to a joint venture idea, to a new patent, a product you want to patent, to a, A trip, a business trip, to client acquisition for your new venture, the house, rehab, whatever it is you want to do. I initially would capture that in what's called a mind map. It's called mind mapping software. Write that down. Mind mapping software. Find the one that works for you. And I use mind map software. Used to, and now I've, I've, I've sort of, I, oddly enough don't even need that anymore because I've gotten most of my ideas pretty refined now. But I used to, I mean, I had 50 or 60 different mind maps going. But capturing your ideas, yes, you can do it in a note card, you can do it, you know, in linear writing, but your brain is, sees a picture again. The Bible says where there's no vision, the people perish. Right? So you capture that vision, that idea. I do it with a mind map. So then I have other tools that help help me with a plan. Well, of course, you know, artificial intelligence and writing tools like Microsoft and. Gee, I'm doing this off the top of my head, Evernote. I used to use Evernote to both capture ideas and write out my plan. But there's, you know, whatever business tool works for you best that's typically a collection of tools is. Is what I use to write my plans. I certainly use artificial intelligence help with my research. It used to be the Internet. Before that it was a dictionary and, you know, going to the library things. So technology really has helped you to be smarter. Then I have to help me execute. I used to use airtable. I used to use a bunch of stuff. I currently my base station, my command center. I have everything my entire life sitting in Trello. All right, so. And I manage my professional life, my personal life, my passions, my priorities, my projects. I like. I manage everything in a technology piece of technology called Trello, which is. Is encrypted, is. It has, you know, multiple levels of security. So to worry about that, people getting into your stuff. It's password protected times2. And it's. And it's visual, but it's also technical. It's project management, essentially. And it's really quite elegant. And I've not found its capacity yet. I've not found its outer limits yet, which is really cool. I definitely push the envelope and I may share a photo screenshot of some of my Trello boards. But if you just search for Trello, you'll get the picture. Go to YouTube and ask to do a tutorial video on what Trello is. It'll make your life so much easier, personal again and professional. I use these tools in all parts of my life. Then I also have a sub tool for Trello that. That's a knowledge tool that is called Obsidian. And Obsidian is for crazy people like me. But I have Obsidian notes which use markdowns. You can research what a markdown is, but I use Obsidian notes to capture knowledge and data. As it comes to me, I just throw it in there. I throw it in there and I throw. I link it.

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Right. I link. You know, I met somebody, they live in Atlanta. I mark that Atlanta's a markdown. So everybody that lives in Atlanta that I know, when I go to Atlanta, it tells me everybody that lives in Atlanta, they own a restaurant. It tells me everybody that I know that owns a restaurant, because I put that as a markdown. They're an architect. Later on, say, what architects do I know who live in Atlanta? It'll tell me all of those. It's really quite fascinating. It's called Obsidian, but it, it's, you know, it's a little out there. You got to be somebody who's a tech obsessed person like me to really want to get in that. So don't, don't spend a lot of time on Obsidian. But you should know that that's what a lot of very successful people use. Tech geniuses, tech bros. Tech leaders, business leaders, CEOs, billionaires, multimillionaires, CEOs of Fortune Popular companies, they use these tools, right? And if you see my Obsidian map, it is. It, it looks like a, it looks like a, it looks like a Cosmo, right? It, it's, it's, it's all, it's all these little dots from all these little contexts and relationships. Because when I grew up I didn't have financial capital, so I had to use relationship capital. And so my relationships were my capital. And so then I had to then value that capital and how to keep up with them and what are they doing. And whenever I got a new piece of information on them, I put it in this database. And then you have some tools you use to communicate, right? And I use Slack to communicate. Slack is like text messaging in a, in a very narrow confine about a specific topic with a specific group of people. It's encrypted, which means security protected. It's password protected. It, you know, your, your text messages are not secure. They're just not. And you also, don't you forget where you, which text stream? Who'd you text? Where's that information that you texted or somebody texted you? Where is it? You forget again, like, like an electronic sticky note. You get lost in all of these text messages. This with Slack, you don't get lost. But Slack is also temporary. So now you have a stream of information that you're communicating with Your, in my case, my, like on my special forces team, my senior team leaders, the 20 people I rely on for most things in my life. But that's even that stream will be pushed out by new information in that stream. So if something's important, I translate something in Slack, I convert that into a Trello card and Trello card into a Trello board. And a Trello board manages a project or part of my life. Everything has a place. Remember I told you that earlier. And then that Trello, those Trello board relates to a project space and that project space relates to, is probably a company or companies in my life or groups of activity. And that group of activity ties into my strategy, my mission, my vision. See what I'm saying? See how this works together? Some tools help me manage scale and relationships And I've talked about that already. The names of the tools again, matter less than their functions. Here's the key lesson. The tools change, the architecture doesn't run a business.

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I don't chase apps. I design systems. I was on retreat recently in Maui and I spent half my time there, in addition to enjoying myself, upgrading into redesigning my system for 2026 because I've grown so much that I've outgrown the system I had in January of 2025. And so in order, in order to move fast, because you get to When I was struggling, money was more important than time. So I would waste time in order to try to make money. That hustle was real. But please believe me when you, as you become more successful, please hear me when saying this. Your time becomes more valuable than your money. You can waste my money for a minute. You cannot waste my time at all. I'm ruthless about my time. Everything I'm telling you now is a time wasting hack. It is a way to get back your time to create more time. Oh, this is so powerful. But I don't have time to stick to any one topic because I want to get through all this in one podcast. If you like this, let me know. And I'm happy to take any one of these topics and go deeper. Your brain is for thinking, not storage. Please write that down. Your brain is for thinking, not storage. I'll go one step further. Your brain is about thinking about where you want to go. Don't let your brain overtake your life. My brain don't control anything that I do. I'm an intuitive leader. Women's intuition is stronger than anything I know. Men have it too. The ego, the bravado, the lack of comfort with our emotions sometimes keep us from listening to our intuition. But God, that's to me. To me, that's God speaking to you and through you. We're not human beings having a spiritual experience. We're spiritual beings having a human experience. Energy matters. So when I get an intuitive Read. Not an emotional read, not an anger read, not an ego read. When I get an intuitive read about something, when I know what I know about somebody or something, I feel it in my gut, they say. Some would say that, right? And now I know I want to do. I have a vision for something. Right. I've done my research, I've created a plan, I've water tested, I've pressure tested to make sure that the plan is real. By the time an entrepreneur actually moves on something, the risk has mostly been wrung out of it, by the way, through the process, I'm telling you, everybody has their own way of doing it. This is my way of doing it. And so by the time you execute on it, you know, you just want to move efficiently and quickly, right? Well, I'm moving so fast now on things that I have built. I'm trying to institutionalize everything now. And things are coming at me hot and heavy. I don't have time to be sitting around and messing around with time and messing around with analysis or screw. So I spend time on my retreat. I'll call it a vacation. I retreat. It's intentional retreat to go away so I can think, so I can slow the world down, reimagine everything, go through this process of reimagination, reassessment very slowly. Go from my left side of my brain, analytical, to the right side of my brain, creative and intuitive and contextual. I come up with an upgraded software for my operating system. I take time to develop it so that when I get back into the game, I'm relaxed and I'm just executing. Boom, boom, bang, bang. I'm just moving, grooving. Yes. No, that, that. Go. Don't do that. No. Right. It's very clean, it's very elegant. It gives me more time for my family, more time for my passions. That's how I'm able to do so much. Your brain is for thinking, not for storage. Once tasks leave your head and enter a system, your mind relaxes and a relaxed mind thinks better. So my. My intuition is from decision making. Actually, my brain is a GPS device to tell me how to get to where my intuition has told me I'm going. Now that is a drop the mic and a podcast all by itself. But I don't want to get distracted from giving you the tools of my success, execution and delegation. If you do everything yourself, you're not in control. You're trapped. I organize execution around one question. What only I can do and what should never be done by me again. I'm Telling you, this is, this is so good. I organize myself around this question, what only I can do, what's those things or that thing that only I can do and what should never be done by me ever again. Anything repeatable gets documented. Anything scalable gets delegated. This isn't about ego, it's about sustainability. It's about building. It's about building something that outlives you and can grow underneath you. Communication and boundaries Communication overload is where leaders burn out. Email, texts, direct messages. DMS they call them. I don't do DMs. I tell people, don't DM me, you'll be eat your heart broken. I don't, I just don't bother again. I walk through life. I walk through life consciously oblivious of most things around me because most things just don't matter. At least not to me. I decide what matters and I focus on those things and I decided direct messages don't matter. They matter to most of the people listening to this podcast. I just don't do them. I don't manage by text message. I don't project management by email. Right. These are just efficiency tools to get from. I decide the way I'm going to communicate and then it's a stream of communication in this portal with the folks that I have already pre decided that I want to communicate with in that way. Now if somebody else picks up my, my direct messages, I just don't myself. But, but I'm in the comments. By the way, if you, you already know any social media platform and you see a response from me, that's me. So just leaders get burned out. Emails, text messages, DM, Slack, WhatsApp, which is another form of communication. WhatsApp and all kind of other apps. Accessibility without boundaries is chaos. I structure communication so what matter, what matters to me rises, noise falls away. Not to be distant, but to stay effective. Boundaries aren't arrogance their survival. Home mode versus Travel mode. My life runs in two modes. Home mode and travel mode. Trying to live the same way in both places is a mistake. There are things that cross over and they're consistent, but the the flow is different. Home mode allows depth. Trouble mode demands simplicity so that you can flow what stays constant. Sleep, discipline, idea capture, end of day reflection and a little fun. I do have fun every day. I binge watch on YouTube or whatever. They read a book if I'm here at the house. Here's a difference between home mode and travel mode. I have a racing simulator at the house. I have a full competitive auto racing license and get in the racing simulator and I just. Absolutely. That just renews me. I'll go in the. I'll go and watch a movie. I can do that on the road. I just got a. Anyway, never mind. Can you all in my world. But anyway, I. I have passions and I find a way to take some of those passions with me. I have portable versions of my life that go with me when I travel for trips in more than one day. And there are certain things I can only do at home. Flexibility within structure is the real discipline. Flexibility within structure is the real discipline. Daily habits that matter. I don't have a perfect morning routine. Leaders who say that, I mean God bless them, they mostly have engineers brains. But my life is dynamic and I give myself the flexibility for it. I think that actually all money is freedom. So I've got enough money to have the freedom to do as I like it with how I'm allocating my time. But I do have a morning orientation. Okay. I ask what matters today? What would make today successful? What do I need to avoid sometimes? Who do I need to avoid at night? Actually, by the way, I can avoid somebody right in front of me. Just to be clear, I don't have to physically avoid somebody because that takes too much energy. I literally can. I mean somebody. Unless I decide you're visible, you're invisible, right? We'll put it this way. Most people are visible until they make themselves invisible by tearing their rear end and acting a fool. So again, I walk through life consciously oblivious and most things around me because it just doesn't matter. And I just don't let. I don't let other people irritate me. To argue with a fool proves there are two over mess, not in it. At night I reverse my mode. So again I ask what matters today? What would make today successful? What do I need to avoid at night? I reverse it. What did I learn? What worked, you know, what, what successes, what wins that I have today, what needs adjusting and then of course planning for tomorrow. That's how you stay aligned over decades, not days. And I use my tools and I have a command center trello board by the way, that it, where everything flows up to me in this command center. And in that command center, there's no TO dos, there's no, there's no, there's no directives. This is, this is a visualization of my life at the vision level. Then below that I have a CEO dashboard. That's where my teams and I interact. And yes, there's some, you know, ex. There's execution stuff in there, but that's them executing mostly, not me. And then below that is our, you know, like, operating companies and operating projects, and there's mostly other folks, again, delegation doing that stuff, not me. But I am certainly all in it, all over them about whether they're hitting their deadlines and whether it's speaking to the vision. You starting to get it, by the way, everything started with me when this whole thing started. I have 400 employees right now, but when this thing started, this was just me. It was just me, and I was homeless, and I had nothing. So don't. Don't think this is like some trust fund guy giving you a vision with a lot of resources. I started with absolutely nothing. Anybody knows my story. I had extremely humble beginnings. I'm telling you that the. The. The apps, the tools, the computers. I mean, I used to have a computer that literally was like. It was like £50. I carried around with me a compact computer. I used to have a Radio Shack computer. I used to have a mobile phone. It was like a brick. Literally a brick. It cost 45 cents a minute, you know, so now we have the iPhone and the iPad. The tools are elegant, right? But, I mean, I've always been a bit of a geek. I've always been a techie. The tools have changed, but I haven't, right? And this strategy I'm telling you about has paid off. And all the folks who wanted me to go party with them now want to work for me. All right, the meta lesson. This isn't about productivity. It's about freedom. Freedom from clutter, mental clutter, constant reactivity, emotional overload, being stressed the heck out, which leads to depression, I think. Also, by the way, systems don't cage you. They free you. And here's the most important thing. These systems are learnable. You don't need my life. You need your version of structure. You may not like the tools that I use. I don't care. Find the ones you do like. That's why I didn't tell you which mind mapping software. Just find the one that speaks to you that you like visually. But mind mapping software is a big get. That's a big hack. A cheat sheet from this podcast. Everything should have a place to document your vision. Think about a Pinterest board that's, like, seriously interactive with you, like a dream board that is operational, and then you're getting close to what mind mapping is. Literally mapping your mind. I want you to start small. Capture one idea. Don't. Don't overwhelm yourself. Remove one friction point from your life, protect one block of energy. Over time it compounds, it builds on itself. So that's how I actually run my life. And yes, I have a workout routine. I didn't mention that but I, when I get up in the morning, I meditate, I reflect. If I'm in a hotel, I do a 10 minute, 15 minute workout. Push ups, 20 push ups, 20 sit ups, squats, stretches, stretches come first. If I have a little bit of time, I go down to the gym and get on the peloton machine and, and cycle. I have a red light machine at the house so when I finish working out, I'll get on the red light machine. If you never heard of red light therapy, look into that. My, my wife Shaytra is a wellness expert. I'm. Well, she's health and she's taught me so much. One of the things that's been a game changer is red light therapy. And I have a full, we have a full body red light machine. I spend 10 minutes front and back three times a week and I don't have pain in my body anywhere and I move all the time and I have a red light machine. I travel with, I have tools, I travel with and maybe if you want me to, I'll do a, I'll do a special video on of me on the road because that is a, that is a science all by itself and I do not, I do not wait till I get home for my life. I take my life elegantly with me wherever I go. So if you see me on the road, know that I'm flowing and I'm going and I'm living and I've got a routine system and a structure to make that work. So yes, I work out at home in the gym, red light I, my racing simulator is a version of working out. Also I incorporate that because you motorsports is like the, one of the top five most strenuous sports in the world. You use every muscle in your body and you cannot multitask. You've got to focus. So I have a racing simulator across street from, from the, from the gym here at the house. And again, yeah, these are, you know, options that I have now. But remember, keep in mind, I started where you were, where you are right now, no matter where you are in your trajectory. I've been there, right? But with enough discipline and enough structure, enough consistency and you just outrun your problems, you outrun failure, you outrun, you outrun, you know, folks who are lazy, you know, you're just putting the work in There's a book called Outliers 10,000. It basically says if you put 10,000 hours into anything, you'll be the equivalent of an of an NBA player in your field. You will be the best of the best. Just 10,000 hours makes you an outlier. And I agree with that. So that's how I actually run my life. Not perfectly, not rigidly, but intentionally in. If this episode helped you think differently about success, then do one thing today for yourself. Not for me, for yourself. Build one system that supports the life you want. Because success isn't mysterious, people. It's designed. I use Evernote, I use Trello, I use Slack, I use Obsidian, I use Plot Notes, which is artificial intelligence. I use Chat GPT 50 times a day. I'm co chair of the AI Ethics Council with Sam Altman who is the CEO of ChatGPT. I use other AI platforms to just to have different disciplines and operator will be launching Hope AI soon. We launched it, we announced that we're launching it soon. So that'll be a tool that you can help you in addition to financial literacy. So make sure you go to operational for both in the future. Van Jones is my new co chair on that. So yeah, these are some of the my core tools and mind mapping mindmeister is one of my, my, my mapping software. But I used a couple there. Yeah, these are my core tools. Notice that. Notice I didn't mention financial tools or spreadsheets or anything like that. Like, you know, that's tactical and I used to live in spreadsheets. I, you know, I lived in numbers or Excel back when I had to. But I again I moved from working increasingly working in the business to working on the business, which is where you want to graduate to. But you can't get to one without doing the other. Because the only place that success comes before the word work is in the dictionary because it's alphabetical. Everything every other kind of success or every kind of work is. It's just hard. You got to do it and there's no shortcuts. If it's a free lunch, it's probably stale. So build one system that supports the life you want. Because success is mysterious. Right? It's designed. I want you to tell me, give me some feedback of how you felt about this. This is John o' Brien, the Money and wealth podcast. And I want you to go to Operation Hope and ask them for a scholarship, a program scholarship for financial coaching and counseling. I want you to tell your friends about this podcast. I want you to take this episode and Use it as a talk point amongst your, your, your group of friends and let me know what they think about it. What if you get 20%? If you can use 20% of what I said, it can be a game changer for your life. And yes, you should not spend every dollar that you make. You should take 10 cents as a habit. This is part of systems. 10 cents of every, whatever you make and put in a savings account or put in a 401k that's matched by your employer, or put it in a stock account or invest it in something. But don't, you know, don't just live to pay your bills. If you're making, if you make a dollar, put 10 cents aside. You're not going to miss the 10 cents. If you make $1,000, put $100 aside. You probably waste that without even knowing it. And if you can't put $100 aside, try putting $25 aside or $50 aside and just ramp it up, increase it little by little over time. Right? So there's a system for everything, and you want everything to fit in your life. In my life this year, everything has a place. By the way, why do, why do wealthy people have big houses? They call them mansions, right? We have a big house on 40 acres. It's not for profiling, it's not for flossing. It's for systems. As your life gets bigger, as your vision gets bigger, as your success gets bigger, as your travels get broader, as you move from traveling down the street to across the county to cross the state, across the country to other countries, then doing that all the time, you collect things, you collect people, you collect friends, you collect experiences. And you will. Your life expands to meet the level of exposure you have in your life. And you will find that you need places for things that you never thought you had needed a place for at all. It just wasn't even a thought before. I have a gift closet. For God's sakes. Who would need a gift closet? I mean, I never thought I wanted a closet, but now a regular part of my life is both giving gifts to business associates and friends and colleagues and family. And I receive gifts. And there's an intake section where every package has to be recorded. There's security issues. There's all kinds of stuff that happens when your life expands that you're just not thinking about. I have a technology closet. I never thought I'd have one of those. I mean, if everything from. It's this, from the simple things to the big things. But, but when you're moving efficiently. If you're wasting time trying to find something, you're an unorganized mind. Waste time. And you, you've gotta not abuse yourself by wasting your own time. So I'm gonna introduce these, these visuals in the social media platform so you can download them from there or my Bryant Journal, and I'll see you on the road to success. I may even see you on the roads. I run into a lot of people literally on the road who listen to the podcast. Thanks for making it one of the top 25 podcasts for entrepreneurship on Apple last year in America and top 100 for business last year in America and top 250 for on every continent in the world for business and entrepreneurship. Let's go change the world and go. Of course, register that NAACP Image Award Vote. If you support Peace and light, irregardless, I support you. I'm not mad at you. If you vote for Michelle Obama, by the way, I sort of would vote against myself for her sometimes. All right. Peace and Life, Money and Wealth with John o' Brien is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from the Black Effect Podcast network, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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