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John Hope Bryant
Welcome to Money and Wealth with John Hope Bryant, a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network and iheartradio Foreign. Hey, hey, Josh o' Brien here. Money and wealth podcast series. This is a bonus track, so I'm going to give you a lot of extras in 2026. I'm gonna get you deep into the. How a lot of folks will, you know, I don't know, motivate you or whatever it is they're doing, you know, giving you, giving you, you know, what you should have done, as could have done or might do. I'm going to tell you what actually happened to me, how I handled a situation. And in. In hopes that it helps you to avoid what I dealt with on the front end or, or be able to. To negotiate with yourself to make sure that you elevate the situation in real time if you find yourself in it. So this particular deal was in Los Angeles. I was, I'd been homeless, made myself out of that situation, built a real estate company, a finance company. It was involved in real estate and was opening an office at. I don't really want to tell you the building, but I'll tell you the building. The Westwood Gateway complex. At Latijera. No, at Santa Monica and Sepulveda. South west corner, marble building. Beautiful. And I, I won't mention the company that owns it. I don't need to get into a litigious situation. But it was a beautiful eighth story, floor to ceiling glass suite. And I was opening Bryant Group companies. I was, you know, 21, something like that. And I had, you know, had capital stack, had gotten my credit back together, at least my business credit. I had revenue, had had things going on, I had employees. You know, it was, it was ready to go. And I went to go sign the lease we had negotiated over the phone and maybe through email, might have been through email, who knows, it might have been through a third party, I'm not quite sure. But I know I talked to some people over the phone at some point to finalize the terms to Lisa's suite. And I was ready to write the check. There was no issues here, nothing, no concerns whatsoever. And I show up to the negotiating table and make a long story short, there all of a sudden were a lot of concerns, contingencies, a need to go to committee. Okay, committee. So a horse is, is a camel is A horse designed by committee, right? And so when somebody wants to go to a committee, it's a bumpy ride that basically means your deal ain't never happening. And so they said we need to go to. Needs to go to a committee, a closing committee, whatever they said, you know, basically, you know, blah, blah, blah, let's get this person of color out of here. Is my way I perceived it, there was nobody there of color but me. I'm not. That's why I did not describe this video as racism or discrimination. I don't know if it was racism, discrimination. It was certainly bias. In other words, they were biased against something they were uncomfortable with or someone they were uncomfortable with. A situation they had never experienced before. And, and I got it. I mean they were from a different world and I was young and aggressive and presumptuous. I was. Came there ready to sign the deal and like of course you're going to sign a deal with me. And they're like, of course not. So anyway, they sent me packing and that's supposed to be the end of the story. I leave. And I believe, as you know, success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm over to round it through it. I'm going to get to it. I take no for vitamins. Right. You've heard me say this before. I never give up. Right. If you're in front of me, I'm warning you, please move aside. I. I'm going to run over you. If you're between me and where I'm trying to get. And I'll say it nicely, I'll say it a couple times nicely. You don't get the memo, you may get trampled on. Like, as I'm getting to where I'm going, so I'm young and, you know, and not to be dissuaded, I had a business. It wasn't a, you know, I was just needed to, I needed to place it somewhere. I had a business, investors, the whole thing and a nice balance sheet for that time. And so I thought, how can I reimagine this situation? You're being run out of town, get in front of the crowd and made like a parade. How do I turn a negative into a positive? What are they looking for? How to get them to. Yes. So I went and found a guy. I'm not sure how I found him. This was pretty much pre Internet, but I found this guy. His name was Chris Blacksland. I believe he's since gone on to heaven, God rest his soul. Nice guy. Chris Blackson, Australian, 6 2ish, 62 or 64. Looked like he came out of Esquire magazine or Fortune magazine or both. Handsome, debonair, articulate, had run a public company in Australia, had been running out of Australia under, you know, interesting circumstances. Still need, you know, needed to finance his lifestyle. I had heard he, he was in default or running or in behind on his mini mansion in some beach community, Palace Verdes, I believe it was, and had a Jaguar that he loved convertible. And he was, you know, gonna lose that and he needed some money. So I met with him and I hired him to be my president. And typically a. When you hear these, these stories, you might have a mainstream company that needs whatever reason, a minority face. Here was a minority company that decided they needed a mainstream face. So I hired this guy, Chris Blacksland. He did nothing wrong up until this point. He did nothing wrong. So there's no casting, no excursions. In fact, he was very helpful to me. I hired him, made him my president. He walked in to the company and sign the lease triple net. I mean, it was a beautiful lease. It was a great deal for us. And that's ultimately, well, where I ended up launching Brian Group companies and its affiliates and where I also ended up hosting the beginnings of Operation Hope. Because Operation when it founded, when it was founded after the Rotten King riots or in the midst of the Rotting King riots, of course it was not unplanned. There was no office, there was no infrastructure. So I end up giving operational space. I found it. I loaned my employees to Operation Hope and then hired employees employees and paid them through Brian Group Ventures through Operation Hope that so I was the original sponsor in that office.
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So this guy, Chris Blacksman, I wasn't paying attention. I was focusing on now the, the business, but also the, you know, the other things that were going on in the community. And he was focused on his community himself. So I had bought him a. He lost his car. So I bought him a Yugo, a little beater. It was brand new, but it was a couple, few thousand dollars and it was a base model. And I remember one day, this guy's like 6 2, 6 4, and imagine him folding himself in this Yugo, trying to drive down the Palisades to his house. And one day he told me the windshield wipers or the side mirrors flew off. It was on the freeway. It was either the side, I don't know, side mirrors or the windshield wipers, and they just flew off because it was such a base model car. And anyway, he sold the car and pocketed the money and never told me about it. It was a company car. He sold the car and he had done some other stuff that wasn't all that cool. But I let it pass because he had done a solid for me. Without him, I wouldn't have got in the game. So I thanked him for what he did and gave him grace for, you know, what he didn't do and the other stuff he did do. Right. And because none of us are saints and, you know, and he was having a hard time of life. And I, I, I really appreciated his humanity too. He actually was a really nice guy. But that was, and he was my, you know, ghost president for a few years. I mean, I paid him just to be there. I did all the work. But, but I couldn't operate in that environment with no credibility. Young from, you know, my background of South Central, la, et cetera, without having credibility in cover. And yeah, so God bless him and his soul. Thank him in absentia for what he did for me, because he could have said no. And it was, you know, as they say, fair exchange. No robbery. It was fair exchange. And my issue really was with a real estate company, not him for putting me in that situation to begin with. But I learned lessons early. Don't take things emotional and don't assume the worst. Like, again, I don't assume that was racism or assume it was discrimination. It certainly was some form of discrimination. They were just uncomfortable. They were biased against me. And, and I vowed to after that day to never have the word but next to my name that I could if I could afford it. Like when I walked out of the room, somebody would say, you know, really respect that young man. But you know, I really admire him. But you know, I really want to do business with him. But right, you can say, you know, you don't like the way I dress or whatever, but not a, not a material, not a substantive but that stops the deal. So I just worked really hard to make sure I removed all the buts out of my life so that it was an and conversation. You know, we really like to do a deal with that guy. And here's the bonus or and you know, so anyway, that's my bonus bonus clip here for this week. The anatomy of a deal. Overcoming bias at the negotiating and closing table and turning a negative into a positive. It made me stronger, better, wiser, more thoughtful, less emotional, more focused, found a new friend, bridged, you know, uncommon interest and moved on with my life and as clearly kept growing and kept succeeding in spite of, if not because of you don't love because of you love because of you wouldn't even love yourself. Maybe you you love and live in spite of, in spite of disappointments, frustrations, people messing over you. You can't step over mess and not in it. And never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever give up. Let me know you like this bonus clip and content. If so, I'll keep giving you some more of it. All right. God bless. Peace. John o' Brien Money and wealth Vote for the NAACP Image Award nomination for the podcast. Thank you Black Effect Network and iHeartRadio for hosting it. Thank you all for listening and spreading the spreading the gospel of silver rights. From civil rights to civil rights, from the streets to the suites. This is the third reconstruction and my book is coming out in here in two months called Capitalism for All Inclusive Economics and the Future Proofing of America on the 250th anniversary of America. So go get your copy in pre order now. Peace. It's time to change the world. Be the change we want to see in our world. Money and wealth with John o' Brien is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from the Black Effect Podcast network, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Well, the holidays have come and gone once again, but if you've forgotten to get that special someone in your life a gift, well, Mint Mobile is extending their holiday offer of half off on unlimited wireless. So here's the idea. You get it now, you call it an early present for next year. What do you have to lose Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch limited time 50%.
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Podcast: Money And Wealth With John Hope Bryant
Host: John Hope Bryant (The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts)
Date: February 9, 2026
In this bonus episode of Money and Wealth with John Hope Bryant, Bryant shares a candid, personal story about overcoming setbacks and bias in business negotiations. Using a real-life experience from his early days as a young Black entrepreneur in Los Angeles, he delivers practical lessons on resilience, creative problem-solving, and the importance of perception and representation. The focus is on how to turn a "no" into a stepping stone — not just personally, but for the broader mission of building Black wealth and navigating barriers in the free enterprise system.
[02:36] Bryant recalls being an ambitious 21-year-old, recently overcoming homelessness, and ready to open a flagship office for his real estate and finance company at a prestigious location (Westwood Gateway Complex).
He describes having all his business ducks in a row: revenue, credit, a team, and capital—all set to sign the lease.
Upon arrival, however, the landlords introduced sudden obstacles, claiming the deal needed to go to "committee," signaling new doubts and likely hidden bias.
"A camel is a horse designed by committee, right?... That basically means your deal ain't never happening."
— John Hope Bryant [03:52]
Bryant candidly reflects on the racial and generational dynamics at play, recognizing bias even if not outright racism.
[05:10] Bryant recites his personal motto about persistence:
"Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm... I take no for vitamins. Right. You've heard me say this before. I never give up. Right."
— John Hope Bryant [05:35]
Instead of giving up, he searches for an alternative, determined to reimagine the situation and turn the negative into a positive outcome.
[06:44] Bryant hires Chris Blacksland, a debonair, mainstream-looking Australian executive, as his "president." He openly admits to inverting the usual optics, where Black businesses are sometimes only given a chance if there’s a non-minority front.
"When you hear these, these stories, you might have a mainstream company that needs whatever reason, a minority face. Here was a minority company that decided they needed a mainstream face."
— John Hope Bryant [07:23]
Chris negotiates and signs the lease without issue, opening the doors for Bryant’s business and the beginnings of Operation HOPE (his later social enterprise).
[13:18] Bryant recounts later challenges with Chris, such as him selling his company car without permission. Despite this, Bryant gives him grace, recognizing their mutually beneficial relationship.
"Without him, I wouldn't have got in the game. So I thanked him for what he did and gave him grace for, you know, what he didn't do and the other stuff he did do. Right. And because none of us are saints..."
— John Hope Bryant [13:55]
Bryant emphasizes not taking setbacks personally, nor assuming the worst motivations ("racism" vs. "bias"). He advocates working on oneself to remove obstacles that give people excuses to say "but" instead of "and" when discussing your value.
"I vowed to after that day to never have the word but next to my name that I could if I could afford it... I just worked really hard to make sure I removed all the buts out of my life so that it was an and conversation."
— John Hope Bryant [15:10]
He closes the story with encouragement to press on, be resilient, and never give up, linking these lessons back to his mission for economic empowerment and "silver rights" (financial inclusion).
"You can't step over mess and not in it. And never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever give up."
— John Hope Bryant [16:38]
"You're being run out of town? Get in front of the crowd and make like a parade."
— John Hope Bryant [05:45]
"Found a new friend, bridged, you know, uncommon interest and moved on with my life and as clearly kept growing and kept succeeding in spite of, if not because of..."
— John Hope Bryant [16:11]
"From civil rights to silver rights, from the streets to the suites. This is the third reconstruction."
— John Hope Bryant [17:36]
This episode exemplifies Bryant's philosophy: resilience, straight talk, and actionable financial wisdom tailored for those who’ve been left out of "the memo" on money.