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The 5 Secrets We’ve Learned in 50 Years of Financial Planning
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We've been managing people's money for a long time and we like to think we've learned a thing or two.
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C
Brian, I am so excited because over the years we've had the opportunity to get to look under the hood at people's finances, to dig deep on the habits and behaviors that have helped them accumulate significant wealth. And now we, we get to share those secrets with you, our audience.
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B
That's right. Today we're going to reveal the five secrets that we believe could make all the difference on your wealth building journey. With that, let's dive right in.
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C
Yeah, Brian, if you think about just the numbers, between you and I, we have been managing people's finances for collectively over 50 years.
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B
Now, now, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's, let's get this right. Close to 50 years. Are you trying to, I'm not. Over to, over years. Over close. Don't do the bow thing where you, you blow this thing up.
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C
Well, here's what we've done. We've helped people navigate all time highs, all time lows. We've helped people deal with triumphs and with tragedies. And through that, there are some key lessons that we've learned. We thought, okay, why don't we try to distill these lessons down into some tangible sound bites that might be valuable for you, our financial mutant audiences. The first one is one that you have heard a lot if you've listened to us for any amount of time at all. But it's maybe one of the biggest secrets that when you figure this out, it unlocks opportunity for you. And it is this, that money is just a tool.
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B
Now, when I see this saying, I think A lot of people, because there's a lot of people, if you don't have money and you start to realize your discipline, they think, yes, it's more than that. If I can get a million dollars or I can get $2 million, that's actually what's going to do it for me. But I'm here to tell you we think that you need to put a little why a little oomph on understanding how this magical tool of money works and can help you.
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C
Yeah, too many people, they just want to accumulate wealth for the sake of accumulating wealth. Not recognizing that when you accumulate wealth, that when you build, build up these tools in your toolbox, it provides opportunity and it gives you a lot of benefits that you might not have otherwise. It's really about stacking tools to focus on. Just like you said, Brian, the why, the things that truly matter, whatever that may mean to you. For some people it may mean nicer homes and nicer cars, but for other, it may be freedom of time and flexibility. You have to decide what it is that you want money to do for you and then you need to use money to do that thing and not get distracted.
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B
Well, I think if you don't understand the why, it actually can lead to you becoming a financial miser where you just get addicted to stacking money up in the background and without. And that's, that's just not going to make you a happy person. It's not going to make you a happy person to be around either. And that's why with goal of why of accumulating. When I, when I find out people are part of the fire movement or any of these things where they really are accumulating large sums of money very quickly. I'm always going to try to get you to focus on, well, what if you had an abundance level of money, meaning more than you ever do? What are you going to do more of? Because maybe instead of financial independence, retire early more you, maybe you're thinking about financial independence next endeavor. So that you really are spending a lot of time on the why and what actually brings you joy when you with this tool of money.
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C
So at the end of the day, it is just a tool and it's a tool that if wielded responsibly, can do some pretty amazing things when you build wealth. When you accumulate money, it can provide security, it can give you that foundation that perhaps you did not have earlier on in life, or maybe it can provide you with freedom now. You get to make decisions because you want to make Decisions, not because you have to make decisions. You get to do what you want to do the way you want to do it, on your terms. Or maybe money is just that thing that provides you with opportunity. It allows you to do things that you've always dreamed of that you were not able to do previously. But it only does that if you steward it well, if you recognize that it's a tool to be wielded for use. It's not a goal in and of itself.
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B
Well, it's a powerful tool if you manage it and do it well and you actually implement and start using it early enough. And that's why we always talk about this concept of wealth multiplier is because we talk about the three ingredients to wealth building. And definitely time is one of those most valuable resources. But here's the thing. You think about somebody we always talk about, like debt can be chainsaw dangerous. You think about all these financial concepts, that these are complex. Sure. And I think about it all the things that we in our lives that are complex. Nobody is actually getting into these things unless they had some type of instruction manual or guide to tell you how to do it. Well, otherwise, I mean, can you imagine if you get into, you know, I've often thought like semi trucks or cranes you see on construction sites. These are things that you like. It's magical what these things can do. But I don't think I could get in there without somebody telling me how to do it and even crank this thing up. That's exactly what we've tried to create with the financial order of operations is you don't have to go on the all by yourself. If you're 22 years old and you, you don't come from money and you don't know how money works, we got you covered with the financial resources. If you're 40 years old and you just finally caught on, we got you covered. This is an all terrain vehicle that's going to help you no matter where you are in your financial journey.
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C
So if money is a tool, then we want to give you the instruction manual so that you can use that tool as efficiently and effectively as possible. You want your free copy and go to moneyguide.com resource or if you just want to do a deep dive on what the financial order of OPER is all about, you can go to learn.moneyguy.com and that brings us to our second. So once we recognize that it's a tool and once we recognize it's a tool that can be used efficiently and effectively, there's another reality we have to recognize. And that's secret number two, Brian, that money in and of itself, does not buy happiness.
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B
Now, I know there's gonna be a lot of trolls that crawl out from under the bridge and say, yeah, but he could buy me a boat. Because I've heard there's a song that. And I'm gonna give you some thoughts on that in a minute. But I think that first, before we give you that additional context, we ought to give you some. Some stats that we know so that we're not just throwing out headlines. And you go, how is this connected to this reality that money doesn't buy happiness? Well, check this out. 71% of Americans say that having more money would solve most of their problems. That's the perceptions. But, Bo, what's the reality?
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C
Well, we're not even just talking about. It would solve little of their problems. Look at this. 26% of Americans say that they would need $150,000 of annual income to feel comfortable. So it's not like, oh, I just need a little bit more money to solve more of my problems. No, no. Most people think that they need a lot more money. 63% of folks said that they would need an income greater than $150,000 in order for them to either feel rich or even attain financial freedom. So there's this perception that, okay, yeah, money doesn't buy happiness, but, man, if I made more money, if I had more income, boy, would it solve my problems, and, boy, would I be a lot happier. But, Brian, we know in reality that's not the case.
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B
Well, yeah, I mean, that's. What's funny is this is the perception once again. Look, I've been there, done that. When I graduated college, I was making under $30,000 a year with my first job. And if somebody had told me, hey, what do you think you need? I would have said 100,000, 150,000. You just choose the number that people. It's more than what you currently have. But here's the reality when you actually go open up the curtain and see what people who have now reached that mountaintop of $150,000 of income and more, it's not as golden as you think it is, because 20% of households with over $150,000 of income are living paycheck to paycheck.
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C
So clearly, it didn't solve the cash flow problem. More money, and they're still trying to make ends meet. From one pay cycle to the next.
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B
29% of those earning over $150,000 can't come up with $1,000 and 6% have nothing saved at all.
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C
So more income did not solve the problem of discipline. It didn't create an environment where these high income earners are living on less than they make and stacking up money for the future. They're in no different of a position they were before they made $150,000.
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B
And then for all of you who are making like you're just starting out, this next stat's going to blow your mind too. Is that a quarter of people making $175,000 or more? So we went even higher. Say they feel very poor. Poor, or things are really tight.
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C
So it seems that just earning a high income doesn't necessarily change your life circumstances. So the question becomes why? Why is this true? Well, the reality is, is money does not change who you are. Rather it amplifies it. There's a great quote from Henry Ford that says money doesn't change men, it merely unmasks them. If a man is naturally selfish or arrogant or greedy, all the money does is bring that out. And we see this all the time with financial mutants. Those folks that are able to be good stewards, that are able to be disciplined, that are able to create margin at lower income levels, are often able to continue to do that same thing at higher income levels. But those folks who are unable to have discipline, unable to create margin, unable to live on less than they make, when they have lower incomes, even as their income increases, so too does their lifestyle and they find themselves in the exact same position.
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B
Well, I think it comes back to the Chris Jansen song is that can buy me a boat. When I see this, when people think that money can buy them happiness, look, I will give you an agreement that money can cover the basics.
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C
Sure, it can pay some bills.
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B
That's where it can pay the bills. It can cover the basics. But even on that Chris Jansen song, even if you had the boat, it's gotta be some friends that are going on that boat to drink the Coors Light with you. It's gotta be the blossoming memories that come from that money is all back to that first secret that we've already shared. Money's just a tool. If you don't have all the other elements of the blossoming memories, this is not going to be the magical end all thing. It really is just exactly what Henry Ford had figured out. And everybody else. I wish when you get on the other side like Bo and I have, and you get up to the mountaintop, and you realize, no, money is nothing more than a tool to help you amplify who you are. And kind of. So that way, yes, you can use this to create better memories with your family. Yes, you can help make things. But if you don't have the why and if you don't have the purpose behind it, it's going to feel really empty. And that's where all this unhappiness actually comes from.
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But here's the good news. When you recognize that, when you begin to understand that, you get to understand and realize secret number that when it comes to money, a little bit can go a long way. The secret to building wealth is not making a million dollars a year. If you're someone who makes a million dollars a year, but you spend $1,000,001 a year, you are still going to be broke. But if you're someone who only makes $100,000 a year, but you only spend $75,000 a year, you have the ability, you have the propensity to build wealth. And the earlier you figure this out, the longer your timeline, the easier it is and the further that money can go.
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Yeah, I mean, it is. It's the margin that allows you to actually create the secret sauce. This is what's why when we talk about ingredients to wealth building discipline and deferred gratification is step number one. Because how do you ever have the money to create margin and then use that powerful tool of time to actually build something? But we want to go a little bit deeper in that. We want to show you why. Yes, this margin, it doesn't take a lot, because I think a lot of you probably resemble Bo and myself. We come from humble beginnings and we don't have a lot. And you look at, you look at the people in front of you and you go, how am I supposed to have a million dollars? How am I supposed to have two or three million dollars when I don't have two nickels to rub together? Well, that's what we want people to know. A little can go a long way in the fact that if you'll just do something, you can build this. I think about, because we all know my Mr. Morrow moment where I said, I had an economics teacher in high school who shared with us. It wasn't even part of the curriculum. He just threw out there a comment, I think out of his own regrets. He said, if you could save $100 a month, you guys would all be millionaires. And I was working fast food at the time thinking, holy cow, what seemed impossible now Seemed right here in front of me, we have an illustration. And we didn't even take the 20 year old, we didn't take the 18 year old. We said, let's be a little more realistic and say, let's get somebody out there in their work career and they're 25 years old. So that way had a few years to kind of get their feet under them before they realize this wonderful world of personal finance.
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Yeah, for a 25 year old, if you could just save $159 a month, this assumes no increased savings, no pay raises, no change in Circumstance. But at 25, you just start saving $159 a month. And over the course of your 40 year working career, let's say that you can average an annualized rate of return of 10%. Just saving that $159 would lead to a portfolio value of over $1 million by the time you retire. Did not take a million dollars to get to a million dollars. It just took a little bit of discipline, it just took a little bit of margin. It just took a long enough timeline to, to be able to build that. But Brian, we talk all the time about how money can multiply and it can stack. But let's think about this in a slightly different manner. Let's say that, okay, instead of thinking about what money can turn into, let's think about what money can do for us. Because one of the things that money unlocks is freedom. And we talk all the time about, hey, if you can start saving 25% of your income, the earlier and the sooner you do that, the more powerful and impactful it can be. And so we looked at the math, okay, if you're a 30 year old, do you recognize if you can start saving 25% of your gross income? And let's say that on average you can make 9.5% per year starting at 35, but it decreases by a tenth of a percent every single year. So nine and a half at 25, going down by 1 tenth of a percent every year. A 30 year old that can save 25% of their gross income, that single year of savings, that one year of deferred gratification can buy them two and a half years in retirement. I'm gonna say that again. One year of saving 25% can buy you two and a half years of retirement. Living expenses.
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This is the value of. We've always tried to come up with creative ways to show people why you need to start early. And do it often with saving and investing is because if you Think about it. Do you imagine what a superpower it is when you realize every week you save in your 20s and 30s is buying years in the future? I mean, you quickly realize, holy cow, this is something that oughta, people ought to be on mountaintops, rooftops and just yelling it on loud. It ought to be morning announcements just like you had in grade school. But for the general population, every morning at 8:30 we have loud broadcast of hey, do you know what a week can buy in years? If you'll just save a little bit. But here's where it's kind of cruel. We did this for a 30 year old. Just taking a quarter of their earnings can buy years 2 1/2 years in the future. Look at what happens when you're 40. The same thing. You save 25%. Now. It's still pretty exciting because you basically you're quadrupling it and then some. You can turn this into over a year. But watch what happens when you get in your 50s. Now it's 0.57. And then in your 60, you're a parody. I mean it is. There's no benefit because you're now at the retirement age. Do you quickly see how you need to get busy saving and investing early and often so you can take advantage of this powerful tool of time?
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And the earlier you figure it out, the easier the path is. If we're gonna think about this concept of buying time, I want to conceptualize this for you. Let's assume that you need $100 in retirement to be able to live the life that you want to live. Well, do you recognize that for a 25 year old you would only have to defer $2 today to have that hundred dollars later on in retirement? If you wait until you're 40 now and you still need to have $100 to be able to spend in retirement, you can't do the $2 at the 25 year old. Now you need to save $14 at age 40 to be able to replace $100 in retirement. And then if you wait out until age 55, well now it's almost 50.
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50.
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If you need $100 in retirement and you're starting at 55, you got to put $50 at work today. And Brian, you already said this. By the time you get to retirement, by the time you get to age 60, it's one for one. So if you're going to use money and think about money as a mechanism and a method to, to buy your time back, the earlier you can start making deposits into that Future, the bigger the discount you're going to get in that time, the bigger the sale you're going to get, the more impactful your dollars are going to be. It's why we say all the time, Brian, the absolute best time to start saving and investing was yesterday. Which means by default, the second best time is right now, today.
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B
And that's why I want to close out this point and then this will set up. The secret number four is that a lot of you guys, you're young and I get it with this post inflationary period, housing's expensive, you feel like a lot of opportunities are being pushed away from you. This is what you need to understand is your superpower is don't, don't get mad power. You know, power up. What your true opportunity is is that if you're in your 20s, if you're in your 30s, yes, I know there's some difficulties facing you. But you are a billionaire of time with which you're 40 year old, you're 50, your 60 year old, your boomers that you know out there, you feel like blowing things up, you have something they don't have anymore and that's just that you have your billionaire of time. Turn it into something, use this as an opportunity and I think you'll see a little goes a long way and that's what's going to change your journey. And that leads to secret number four. All right, let's talk about the elephant in the room. We teach simple ways to build wealth like spending less than you make and investing the extra. But that can be really hard during the holiday season.
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C
Yeah, between travel gifts and holiday events, it is easy to overspend. But money is just a tool. We want you to spend it on what matters to you when the time is right. But there is a way to do it without derailing your other financial goals.
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C
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Yeah, secret number four is a reality we've recognized not just in the lives of our clients, but we've also recognized that, Brian, in each of our lives individually, that how your journey starts does not define how it ends. What's beautiful about money being a tool is, is that it's a tool that's available for everyone. And if you figure out how to wield it, how to use it, and you do that early on, it can literally change your trajectory. We already talked about this once, Brian. We this idea of the wealth multiplier is so powerful that we know for a 20 year old, every dollar that they can invest for the future has the ability to turn into $88. So you may be someone who starts Out. And you may be someone who comes from humble beginnings and is a crew chief at Hardee's, but that crew chief at Hardee's can recognize, man, if I can just walk away from $1, $10, $100 today, what I'm going to allow my future self to do is live a life that I never thought possible. Money is literally a tool that can change your entire life trajectory.
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B
Well, and I think a lot of people, they think that, you know, look, I have to make a. I have to make. We heard it in an earlier stat. I need to make $150,000. I'm here to tell just not the truth. Now look, there's a lot of negativity being preached out there to young people right now, but I'm here to tell you, you can take an average income, but you just need to have above average discipline. And you will be a. Okay. If you really harness this power of time. And look at what we're talking about here. When you're 20, 88 times over for a 30 year old, it drops down to 23. For a 40 year old, 7. For a 50 year old, it's 2. Close to 3. You see how quickly this thing is a cliff, it falls. It literally falls off a cliff. So use every second of your billionaire of time to create opportunity for your future.
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C
But here's another thing that's beautiful is you don't have to be perfect. You don't have to get it exactly right right at the beginning of your journey. Because a lot of folks are going to say, guys, I'm early on. And you had that $1 turning into ADA, all I've got is a dollar. Well, that's okay. If you just start somewhere and you get better through time and you stay consistent, it can be mind blowing. Look at this case study we've put together. Let's assume that someone starts saving and investing at 25 years old. And even though they listen to the money guy show and they hear us talk all the time about save 25%, 25%, 25% say, Guys, I can't do it. I'm just starting out. Life is expensive. Life is hard. I came from humble beginnings. All I can do is save 5%. But here's what I'm going to do. Every single year, I'm going to increase my savings by 1%. So I'm going to say 5% this year, 6% the next, 7% the next, so on. And what we've said is, okay, what if they start at 25 making $50,000 a year. And let's assume that on average they get a 2% annual wage increase. So even as they are saving more, as they're increasing their savings rate, their lifestyle is also increasing. They have more take home pay every year. And let's just say that they have, let's assume they have a 9% rate of return over the long term. So 25, saving 5% a year, getting better 1% at a time up until they reach 25%. Do you realize that this person who starts relatively unremarkably, by the time that they get to retirement, they could have over three and a half million dollars saved up.
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B
And that's real money. I mean that's the thing. I know a lot of people say a million dollars isn't what a million used to be, you know, 10, 15 years ago. This is three and a half million dollars.
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C
That's right.
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B
So that's an amazing thing. And that's what. So let's talk about what they didn't do. They didn't start saving straight out of college.
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C
It is not a 20 year old.
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B
They didn't have a high savings rate. Because look, we know when we say 25% that's aspirational for anybody in their 20s. We know that life is hard, that's coming at you fast. But you can do 5%. Maybe you can do 10%. Maybe if you do 5% your employer is going to do another 5 or 6%. You can do this, just start doing something today.
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C
They also didn't have an above average salary. They started at $50,000. It's not someone who started out their career at 150,000. So again, this is what I would say. And it's an average case study incredibly unremarkable. But there are some things that they did do that were so, so powerful. They did stay consistent for 40 years. They said, you know what? I believe that if I can just defer a little bit of today, I can have an amazing tomorrow. So I'm going to start with a little bit today and I'm going to gradually increase that margin every year. Okay, I'm going to say 5% this year and then 6% the next and then 7% the next, and then April's the next. And by doing that over the course of an entire working career, do you recognize that by the time they got to 65, by the time that they built up a three and a half million dollar portfolio, if we just assumed a 4% sustainable withdrawal rate, they would have been able to replace 130% of their pre retirement income. They could have literally retired at age 65 and get a pay. Got a pay raise.
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B
That's crazy.
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C
You know what that means? It means that somewhere along that journey, they might have said, hey, maybe I want to leave at 60, or maybe I want to back down my savings rate or maybe I want to cut back my hours by figuring it out early on, staying consistent and getting better. They gave themselves tons of flexibility later in life.
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B
Right now somebody is listening to this and going, man, that's great, but I wish I knew how this pertains specifically to me. And we got you hooked up because all you got to do is go to moneyguy.com resource. We have a deliverable titled what 1% more can do for you. And you literally can go look at your age and look at if you just saved 1% more, what would that become by the time you retired? And I think you owe it to yourself to go out there and see what your time is worth so you can get yourself energized. I get it. When I say save 25%, you're like, man, that seems like just too much for this moment in time. But you can give me 1%. I guarantee you your future self will thank you many times over because that's just pushing that pebble down the hill and letting it catch traction and turn it into a boulder, which eventually turns into a landslide of wealth. You can do this by just doing 1% more. Moneyguy.com resources so, Brian, I know that.
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C
There are a lot of financial mutants out there. Listen to this. And they're saying, you know, okay, guys, I get this. I learned these four secrets and I've been applying this. I am that financial mutant. And I've figured out those basics. I know that money's a tool, and I know that if I start early, it can be super powerful. And I know that it's not going to bring me habits. I have figured a lot of stuff out. And yet secret number five is something I think that's so interesting that a lot of financial mutants come to recognize. And that's that even those folks that are good with money, even those folks who figure out these secrets at some point, at some stage along your financial journey, it's okay to ask for help.
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B
Well, look, I know something that stacks this all in our favor, and I love this is that I know. Because if you just look at this stat here, three in four Americans report feeling overwhelmed by their finances.
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C
75% of Americans.
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And here's it doesn't and here's the thing. If you do everything we tell you to do, I want you to do it yourself. Do it till your heart wears you out. But the thing is, is that even though these concepts that we share are so simple, if you do this long enough and consistently, that simple is going to turn into complexity because it doesn't matter. The three and four could be somebody who's just overwhelmed because they never saved and invested, so they feel like life is coming at them hard. But the 3 and 4 also can be somebody who actually listens to everything we share. And all of a sudden they realize, man, my tax return looks completely different. I mean, now I have this, why is our tax code so complicated? What are my blind spots? And then as you get close to retirement, you hear people talk about, well, what about your tax strategy? Are you doing Roth conversions? Are you paying attention to how much of your Social Security is going to be taxable? What about Medicare and the Irma surcharges? Do you see how all of a sudden the estate planning, retirement planning, college planning, you throw all these things and you realize what really seems so simple, when you started listening to the money guy show, we've been doing this going on 20 years. That's another stat that blows my mind is that starting in, you know, January this year was 20 year anniversary, where did the time go? And, but I just know in my heart of hearts that no matter how simple or how much, how good at being a do it yourself or you are, if you do this right, there will be a moment where this gets so complex that you're gonna say, I just don't know what I don't know. And that's when we're gonna leave the porch light on for you and we're gonna say, you don't have to do this alone. You know, this is, you've only managed, you've, you've had so much success, you've created this seven figure enterprise that you're now the CEO out of. You don't have to just go at this blindly and try to figure out, just like we created a system to know what to do with your next dollar, we've helped thousands of people out on how to manage their money well so that we can help you do this better as well. So that's why I love the heart of an educator. We did this with a pure mind of just paying it forward so people could be better with money. But what we really did is we laid out the foundation to give people free advice to go out there and just see that it works before we ask for the next thing. And that's when, once again, we'll leave the porch light on and you can continue. Consider taking your relationship to the next level. Guys, I'm your host, Brian, joined by Mr. Bo Money Guy team out.
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The Money Guy show is hosted by Brian Preston and Bo Hanson. Brian and Bo are partners with Abound Wealth Management. Abound Wealth Management is a registered investment advisory firm regulated by the securities and Exchange Commission. In accordance and compliance with the securities laws and regulations, Abound Wealth Management does not render or offer to render personalized investment or tax advice through the Money Guy Show. The information provided is for informational purposes, may not be suitable for all investors, and does not constitute financial, tax, investment or legal advice. All investments involve a degree of risk, including the risk of loss.
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