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Episode: "They Were Burned by a Bad Financial Advisor | Making a Millionaire"

Hosts: Brian Preston & Bo Hanson
Date: April 13, 2026
Guests: Max & Valerie

Episode Overview

This episode centers on Max and Valerie, a married couple who candidly share their financial journey, including how they were deeply impacted by a bad financial advisor in 2016. The discussion explores their path from early money mistakes and recovery, to navigating college costs for three children, and the lingering effects of financial trauma. Brian and Bo provide insights into their current financial plan, offer actionable advice on saving, investing, asset allocation, and refinancing, and present tools to help others avoid similar advisor pitfalls.

Main Theme:
How a major financial setback caused by an unethical advisor shaped Max and Valerie's philosophy, and the empowering steps they took to regain control, improve their financial trajectory, and plan for their future.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Max and Valerie’s Background & Financial Philosophy

[00:52 - 06:14]

• Young Marriage & Family Development

  • Met at 15, married at 19 and 20, now together 27 years.
  • Recently entered the "empty nester" phase, with three children in college.
  • College support: Cover tuition and basics; kids expected to work for other expenses, though occasionally parental help is needed.

• Money Habits & Mindset Evolution

  • Max: Grew up without financial education, lived for the moment with newfound income. Admits to previously overspending.
  • Valerie: Natural saver, early adopter of tracking spending, describes herself as “the statement-watcher”.
  • 2015: Began Dave Ramsey's program, which Valerie found necessary and Max found challenging but ultimately transformative.
  • Over time, their money attitudes flipped: “Now after all these years, he's a little bit more like, ‘I don't know if we should spend money.’” – Valerie [03:59]

Notable Quote:

"It's kind of like that candy. You can't get enough really. So I started spending a lot of that and then we started to kind of whip it into shape." – Max [02:39]

2. Financial Snapshot & Progress

[04:51 - 06:15]

• Current Status (as of recording):

  • Ages: 46 & 47
  • Net Worth: ~$1.4 million
  • Income: $213,000 (with potential bonuses)
  • Investments: $732,000
  • Home Equity: Home worth $720,000, $220,000 mortgage
  • Approx. $128,000 in cash, with large “sinking funds” for upcoming expenses

• Perceived Progress

  • Feel somewhat behind due to benchmarks, but recognize strong saving habits and no significant debt outside mortgage.
  • Max feels he is “chasing some sort of goal” due to a major setback in 2016.

3. The Financial Advisor Setback

[06:15 - 09:23, 24:38 - 27:09]

• Bad Advisor Experience:

  • In 2016, hired a young advisor with what appeared to be strong credentials.
  • Advisor engaged in misconduct: Churning, forging signatures, inappropriate penny stock purchases, unauthorized risk profile changes, inverse ETFs/ETNs.
  • When stock markets rose post-2016, their portfolio underperformed badly—friends saw 8-10% gains, they saw negative or 3-4%.

• Aftermath:

  • Contacted a FINRA attorney—determined they lost $80,000–$150,000, with additional opportunity costs.
  • Advisor ultimately lost his license; clients (including Max & Valerie) not included in the main lawsuit because they’d withdrawn funds early.
  • Insurance issues: Advisor carried only $250,000 coverage for all clients, not per incident.
  • Emotional impact: “We were just... it was devastating. We thought we were doing what's right… and in the end... a lot of people lost a lot of money.” – Valerie [26:27]

Notable Quote:

“I think the story is worth hearing because I think that we're not the only ones who have been burned by a bad financial action… The message to say it's more of a setback than a critical [failure].” – Max [19:16]

4. Recovery: Self-Education, Simplification, and Index Investing

[09:23 - 10:25, 31:27 - 38:15]

• Post-crisis Approach:

  • Moved assets to Vanguard, now DIY investors—100% index funds (VTSAX, VOO).
  • Valerie: “I'm not letting anyone touch our money again… I just kind of went with what I could learn… and it's been doing well for us, honestly.” [09:23]
  • Focus on simplicity, minimizing fees, and maximizing transparency.

• Gaps Identified by Valerie & Max:

  • Need greater diversification and asset allocation adjustment as they approach retirement.
  • Uncertainty around tax optimization and proper Roth strategies.
  • Desire for a safer glide path as portfolio grows and retirement nears.

5. Future Planning: Goals, Challenges, & Action Steps

[10:26 - 17:14, 41:23 - 50:40]

• Goals:

  • Retire by 60–62; Valerie estimates needing $1.8–$2.5M (depending on mortgage status).
  • Burn rate: $6,000–$8,000/mo now (with mortgage); could drop to $5,000–$7,000 with mortgage paid.
  • Focus: Support for kids, manage caregiving for Valerie’s family, maintain some flexibility (“messy middle” phase).

• Savings/Investment Approach:

  • 2024: Max was unemployed; savings rate dropped.
  • Goal to ramp back up to previous 28% savings level.
  • Currently: 5% to 401k, max HSA, uncertainty about Roth IRA (misunderstood “rollover IRA” backdoor rule).
  • Hosts clarify Roth IRA rules and recommend direct Roth contributions if under income threshold.
  • Use of sinking funds for recurring and predictable large expenses (college, car, home maintenance).

• Refinancing & Mortgage Action:

  • Current mortgage: 7.375% (recent move).
  • With rates falling below 6%, Bo and Brian recommend exploring refinancing to improve cash flow.
  • Break-even on refinancing is about 31 months; worthwhile if staying in the home 5–7 years.

6. Navigating Asset Allocation & Risk

[34:54 - 38:58, 45:30 - 47:50]

• Behavior in Down Markets:

  • Both Max & Valerie admit to not obsessively following market drops; stay committed to “time in the market, not timing the market.” [35:03]
  • Concern for future: As their portfolio grows and they near retirement, a major downturn will “feel different” (losses of $300k+ instead of $140k).

• Hosts’ Recommendations:

  • Suggest gradual de-risking (glide path) as they age (e.g., moving from 100% equities now towards a 60/40 or 70/30 allocation).
  • Vanguard target allocation example used as benchmark, starting with ~82% equities, then reducing risk over the next 10–15 years.
  • Emphasize diversification rather than sudden, last-second “landing” into bonds.

Notable Quote:

“I always use the analogy of landing a plane... They always think they’re going to be 100% index funds, and then right as they retire, they’re going to slam it down… I don’t get the feeling y’all would be okay if there was a… [rough] landing.” – Brian [37:21]

7. Max & Valerie’s Homework & Hosts’ Key Action Items

[38:59 - 42:15]

• Action Steps for Max & Valerie:

  1. Investigate mortgage refinancing and compare monthly savings.
  2. Clarify actual annual income to ensure Roth IRA eligibility.
  3. Distinguish between three financial “phases” (kids in college, post-college/pre-retirement, retirement) and clarify monthly burn rate for each.
  4. Prepare for asset allocation shift and plan for a smoother “glide path” into retirement.
  5. Resume/maximize Roth IRA contributions, now that the rollover/backdoor confusion is clarified.

• Savings Rate Reality:

  • With ongoing high college expenses, target savings is 14% of gross income (~$49,000/year—401k, HSA, two Roth IRAs).
  • Not the 25% ideal, but hosts note this is acceptable during the “messy middle” with three in college.
  • Conservative future projections: By age 60, expect a $3.2M portfolio with current trajectory.

8. Preventing Advisor Nightmares: Tools & Red Flags

[22:52 - 27:09, 51:11 - 52:35]

• Hosts Share "Eight Questions to Ask Your Financial Advisor"
  • Encourage listeners to download the free resource at moneyguy.com/resources.
  • Key warning signs:
    • Falsified or rescinded credentials.
    • Inadequate (aggregate, not per-incident) insurance.
    • Lack of fiduciary responsibility.
  • Importance of advice transparency, clear reporting, and alignment to client best interest.

Notable Quote:

“If anybody out there is watching this and has red flags that the person you’re working with is not doing it right, I really do want to encourage you… We have a resource. It’s free. Eight questions to ask your financial advisor.” – Brian [22:52]

9. Hope, Resilience, and the Future

[19:16, 52:35 - End]

• Message for Listeners:
  • Financial setbacks—even big ones—don’t define your entire journey.
  • The importance of self-education and resilience after being burned.
  • Practical hope: “Just because there was a bad event, just because things didn’t go the way you hoped, does NOT dictate the end of your journey.” – Bo [52:08]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The message… is it’s more of a setback than a critical [failure].” – Max, on learning and bouncing back from advisor fraud. [19:16]
• “Our plan all along has been not timing the market, but time in the market.” – Max on staying the course as index investors. [35:03]
• “Just because there was a bad event… does not dictate what the end of your journey looks like.” – Bo [52:08]
• “Credentials are important… He was not properly insured. People were left stranded.” – Valerie [24:38]
• “You want to make sure you really honor the asset allocation.” – Brian, on the dangers of being overly aggressive as retirement nears. [47:24]

Key Timestamps

• 00:52–06:14: Max & Valerie’s background & financial habits
• 06:15–09:23: Introduction & details of their bad advisor experience
• 09:23–10:25: Transition to index fund/DYI investing
• 24:38–27:09: More details on advisor fallout, warning signs, and insurance issues
• 31:27–38:15: Concerns about diversification and asset allocation for the future
• 38:59–42:15: Action steps (“homework”) for Max & Valerie
• 45:30–47:50: Concrete asset allocation/glide path options
• 49:00–50:40: Mortgage refinance math and strategy
• 52:08: Hope and resilience as the key takeaway

Listener Takeaways

• A bad financial actor can cause setbacks, but doesn’t have to define your financial life.
• Education, simplification, and consistent habits are powerful tools for wealth-building.
• Revisit old financial assumptions—rules, eligibility, and strategies may change.
• As you approach retirement, risk management and diversification become crucial.
• Download and use advisor screening tools to avoid future mistakes.

For more guidance and free resources, visit: moneyguy.com/resources