Pete Townsend is joined by Eric Ries, author of the New York Times bestseller The Lean Startup and founder of the Long-Term Stock Exchange, for a conversation about the invisible structural forces that corrupt even the most mission-driven companies, and what founders can do about it before it's too late.

Eric's new book, Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad and How Great Companies Stay Great, is out now. Get it here: https://www.amazon.com/Incorruptible-Good-Companies-Great-Stay/dp/B0FWZZBPZB

Eric spent 15 years teaching a generation how to build fast and learn faster. Incorruptible asks the harder question: how do you protect what you built from the forces that will eventually try to take it from you?

In this special double-length episode, he walks through the concept of financial gravity, the structural tools that the world's most durable companies have used for over a century, and why good intentions are never enough.

Topics covered:– Why corporate corruption is a structural failure, not an ethical one

– What financial gravity is and why it's invisible until it's too late

– The Anthropic Long-Term Benefit Trust and what it was designed to protect against

– How Novo Nordisk built a structure 100 years ago that protected $500 billion in shareholder value

– Why Silicon Valley Bank's mission statement was worthless

– The one two-page filing most founders never make

CHAPTERS

00:00 The More Golden the Goose

00:23 Welcome Eric Ries

01:06 The Founder's Wake

05:08 What Did The Lean Startup Miss?

08:09 What is Financial Gravity?

12:50 The Right Architecture

13:11 Anthropic and the Long-Term Benefit Trust

14:59 The Novo Nordisk Story

18:18 Are You Smarter Than a Nobel Laureate?

19:28 The Vatican Panel

20:46 The Public Benefit Corporation

22:41 Is LTSE Incorruptible?

23:39 The Guardian of the Company's Soul

Connect with Eric:X: https://x.com/ericries

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eries/

Incorruptible (book): https://incorruptible.co

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ericriesactual/

Newsletter: https://news.theleanstartup.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theericriesshow

Podcast: https://www.ericriesshow.co

Buy on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Incorruptible-Good-Companies-Great-Stay/dp/B0FWZZBPZB

Connect with Pete:X: @PeteTownsendNV

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petetownsendnv/

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