Susan Visits the Sites [Bonus]

Summary

Monster: BTK - Bonus Episode: Susan Visits the Sites

Release Date: March 10, 2025

In the bonus episode titled "Susan Visits the Sites" of Monster: BTK, listeners are taken on an emotional journey through Wichita, Kansas—the haunting backdrop of Dennis Rader's (BTK) heinous crimes. Hosted by Susan Peters, alongside writers and producers Nomes Griffin and Jesse Funk, the episode delves deep into the real-life locations connected to BTK's murders, providing a poignant exploration of the lasting impact on the community and the victims' families.

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Introduction to the Site Visits

[02:09] Nomes Griffin: Nomes Griffin, one of the episode’s writers and producers, sets the stage by recounting the production team's three-day trip to Wichita. Their primary goal was to interview key figures such as Steve Relford, Charlie Otero, Bob Smizer, and Larry Hadteburg while Susan Peters acted as their guide through the city she calls home. This immersive approach aimed to bring authenticity and emotional depth to the narrative.

Visiting the Otero Family Home

[03:20] Nomes Griffin: The first significant location visited was the former home of the Otero family, victims of BTK. Susan shared her experience accompanying Steve Relford to the site, emphasizing the emotional weight of the visit.

[04:01] Tim Harford: Tim Harford, a co-producer, provides a vivid description of the Otero house:

"I have a pit in the middle of my stomach. It is so, so haunting because you look at the front door, everything's the same. It's a small white home where a wonderful family lived in an average part of town in Wichita, Kansas."

Harford reflects on the transformation of Wichita from a "sleepy, safe town" into a place marked by horror due to BTK's actions. He poignantly notes:

"The Otero family home here on Edgemoor Street is the beginning of the changing of the Wichita community. From a sleepy, safe town where no one locked their doors to a town of, well, for years. Horror."

Returning to Steve Relford’s Childhood Home

[06:28] Nomes Griffin: Next, the team visits the childhood home of Steve Relford, BTK's only surviving victim and the son of one of the victims, Shirley Vianne.

[06:37] Tim Harford: Harford describes the house's unchanged appearance and recounts the emotional moment when Steve returned to the site for the first time since his mother's murder:

"Steve knelt down in his mom's bedroom and started saying a prayer and cried his eyes out. It was the first time he had been back since the day of the murder."

He further elaborates on the lingering anger and frustration:

"My only other feeling besides complete sadness is very, very much anger. Absolutely."

Visiting Katherine Bright's Former Residence

[09:31] Nomes Griffin: The episode then moves to the site of Katherine Bright's murder in 1974. The original houses have been demolished, but remnants like foundation marks and the old mailbox remain.

[10:25] Tim Harford: Harford provides context about the bustling area where Katherine was killed:

"There had to have been so many. There were businesses on this corner. Kevin Bright, after he was shot, ran from this corner down to a business down the street and said, call the police."

Reflections on the BTK Impact

[11:04] Nomes Griffin: As the team visits these sites, Susan reflects on the persistent presence of BTK's legacy in Wichita.

[11:11] Tim Harford: Harford discusses BTK's audacity, highlighting his choice to commit crimes in busy areas to taunt authorities:

"Dennis Raider had such an ego that he never thought he was going to be caught. He was a brazen, evil person."

Exploring the Cake TV Station

[12:02] Nomes Griffin: The tour proceeds to the Cake TV station, where Susan recounts her memories as a news anchor during the BTK investigation.

[12:19] Tim Harford: Harford shares a harrowing memory of covering BTK’s preliminary hearing:

"We sat in that corner with our mouths dropped open for four hours as Dennis Raider described in detail, every single murder in detail."

He expresses the emotional toll it took:

"I was crying for the victims' families who were in the courtroom that day."

Final Reflections and Community Resilience

[25:07] Nomes Griffin: Nomes Griffin discusses the discovery of BTK-related mementos recently unearthed in Park City, Oklahoma, tying it back to the ongoing investigations and the community's resilience.

[26:46] Susan Peters: Susan observes the lingering effects of BTK’s presence on the community:

"When everything's done with the new investigations and what do you think should be done to this property? Should you just leave it as land or should they...?"

[28:13] Tim Harford: Harford suggests transforming the site into something positive, such as a food pantry or a mini-park, to help the community move forward:

"If they built something here that people could name, maybe a mini park here, the city of Park City could build... kids could play and recreate."

[29:01] Susan Peters: Susan concurs, envisioning a dog park or similar community space:

"And as I'm sitting here and looking, you know, a dog park."

Conclusion: The Quest for Closure

[26:54] Tim Harford: Reflecting on the persistent scrutiny of BTK-related sites:

"It's almost like we're turning this place where an evil parasite used to live into something nice for children, into something that will help children grow and play and thrive."

[29:12] Nomes Griffin: Nomes Griffin wraps up the episode by acknowledging the emotional difficulty of the trip but emphasizes the importance of covering such impactful stories:

"The demolition of Dennis Rader's home should have signaled the finality of this case. But walking past the torn-up sidewalk, it just goes to show you that closure is fickle."

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Key Takeaways:

• Emotional Impact: The episode poignantly captures the lingering trauma and emotional scars left by BTK's crimes on the victims' families and the Wichita community.

• Community Resilience: Despite the horrors of the past, Wichita demonstrates resilience and a desire to transform sites of tragedy into spaces of healing and growth.

• Quest for Closure: The visit to these sites underscores the complexity of finding closure in the aftermath of such pervasive evil, highlighting that the quest for healing is ongoing.

Notable Quotes:

• "Dennis Raider had such an ego that he never thought he was going to be caught. He was a brazen, evil person." — Tim Harford [11:20]

• "I was crying for the victims' families who were in the courtroom that day." — Tim Harford [13:42]

• "The demolition of Dennis Rader's home should have signaled the finality of this case. But walking past the torn-up sidewalk, it just goes to show you that closure is fickle." — Nomes Griffin [26:46]

This bonus episode of Monster: BTK offers a deeply moving exploration of the physical and emotional landscapes shaped by one of America's most notorious serial killers. Through site visits and heartfelt reflections, listeners gain a profound understanding of the enduring legacy of Dennis Rader's crimes and the unwavering strength of those affected by them.

Transcript

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[Nomes Griffin]

Welcome to another special bonus episode of Monster btk. My name is Nomes Griffin. I'm one of the writers and producers for this season of Monster. While we were in production for the show, I flew to Wichita to meet up with another writer and producer, Jesse Funk, and our host, Susan Peters. Over the course of three days in Wichita, Jesse, Susan and I sat down to interview Steve Relford, Charlie Otero, Bob Smizer, and Larry Hadteburg. And Susan also acted as our Wichita tour guide, showing us the city she's called home. For decades, we took time each day we were there to visit the important locations in this story. Susan told us that when she first met Steve Relford, she was able to accompany him to the home where his mother was killed. It was an emotional experience for both of them. She shared that for her the visit was a chance to support a grieving Steve and pay her respects to his late mother, Shirley Vianne. But she didn't have that for every victim in particular. She wanted a chance to do that for the Otero family.

[Tim Harford]

Okay, all right, perfect. So you went to. I'm so sorry, honey. Well, okay. I'm gonna call you later on today to see how you're feeling.

[Nomes Griffin]

As we pulled into the Otero's former neighborhood, Susan called up Charlie Otero, the eldest of the Otero siblings, and they chatted briefly.

[Tim Harford]

All right, honey, love you. Bye.

[Nomes Griffin]

When they hung up, we walked up the sidewalk to the front of the house. It was a warm, sunny day, and a rooster was crowing from the backyard. The house faces a major street, so cars passed by rather frequently.

[Tim Harford]

So I'll just be honest. I had never been to this house before. I've reported on it one and a half million times, Seen it in video over and over and over again. But coming to this property, I have a pit in the middle of my stomach. It is so, so haunting because you look at the front door, everything's the same. It's a small white home where a wonderful family lived in an average part of town in Wichita, Kansas. It's a tree lined street with sidewalks. This is a family neighborhood. In the 70s, this was a total family neighborhood. The kids walked to school. Charlie Otero walked to southeast high school from this neighborhood. It's on a busy street, and it was on a busy street in the 70s, this was a neighborhood where you thought you were safe. In the 1970s in Wichita, Kansas, every place was safe. And that evil, evil, horrible man killed two children in this home. Dennis raider's famous thing that he was known for is cutting the telephone cord. There's a home, what, 10ft away. But he had the illness, the sickness to come to the middle of these two homes, cut the cor. The telephone line, and then go to the front door with a gun. The Otero family home here on Edgemoor street is the beginning of the changing of the Wichita community. This is where the Wichita community began to change. From a sleepy, safe town where no one locked their doors to a town of, well, for years. Horror. A town of horror. Very, very haunting and unbelievable. Honestly, I am ripped apart being here because it's the first time I've been here knowing what Charlie went through. My heart is broken seeing this house.

[Nomes Griffin]

The house is occupied by another family, so we didn't stay long. Next, Susan wanted to visit the house where Steve Relford grew up.

[Tim Harford]

Again, I've been to this house before. Just a small white house on a busy street in the middle of Wichita, Kansas. And it looks exactly the same as when I brought Steve relford here in 2005. And I'm sure it looks exactly the same as it did when Steve lived here in 1977. It just doesn't look like it's changed much at all. And after BTK was captured and we, you know, flew Steve Rolford back to Wichita, I said, is there anything I can do for you? And he said, take me to the house. So we picked him up at the hotel and we brought him here. I had already knocked on the door of the house and said, hi, Susan Peters. Can we come in, Steve? They were very nice and said, yes, we walked. Steve and I walked into this house at 1311 South Hydraulic. And he said, it looks exactly the same. It looks exactly the same. The living room's there. He walked directly into the bedroom back here of this house, knelt down in his mom's bedroom and started saying a prayer and cried his eyes out. It was the first time he had been back since the day of the murder, since the day he witnessed his mother being brutally killed by btk. And so for him to be inside the house, I think it provided some sort of, I don't want to say closure, but it helped a little bit seeing that it still exists and that it's with a new family who's making new memories here. The feeling that I get in front of this house, I see Steve Relford at this house, but I don't see him as a 6 year old. I see him as he is now, still a broken man, and he'll even admit that day broke him. My thought is of frustration because a horrible parasite changed a whole family's life forever inside this home by a matter of chance. So my only other feeling besides complete sadness is very, very much anger. Absolutely.

[Nomes Griffin]

About five minutes down the road from the Otero house is where Katherine Bright lived in 1974. The houses that were once there have since been demolished.

[Tim Harford]

So this is Hillside and 13 and Wichita State's at 17. Okay. Here we are at the site where BTK killed his fifth victim and changed the life of her brother forever. On this corner, that's an empty lot right now, there were several houses. It was close to Wichita State University, so students would rent, and that's who was here. On this busy corner on the lot.

[Nomes Griffin]

Where Katherine Bright's house once stood, you can still see where the foundations were laid and where the mailbox was. Today, there's a neighborhood a block behind the lot. It faces out to one of the busiest intersections in east Wichita.

[Tim Harford]

Okay. They described it back then as her house being on a hill. This is as much of a hill as you get in Wichita, Kansas. The most shocking thing about this is how many people were around that day. There had to have been so many. There were businesses on this corner. That's all that was on this corner were businesses. In fact, Kevin Bright, after he was shot, ran from this corner down to a business down the street and said, call the police. Call the police.

[Nomes Griffin]

As we visited the second site of a BTK murder, something sunk in for Susan.

[Tim Harford]

I never registered. I mean, I've been to some of the sites, but it never registered. They're all busy streets, right?

[Susan Peters]

Why do you think that is?

[Tim Harford]

I think Dennis Raider had such an ego that he never thought he was going to be caught. And he almost did in the back of his mind, did busy streets to say, I just dare you. I don't care if it's a busy street. He was a brazen, evil person.

[Nomes Griffin]

From the hillside intersection, we continued east on 13th street to stop by a place Susan calls home, the Cake TV station.

[Tim Harford]

Nice meeting you. Hi, Susan. Brooklyn. Nice meeting you. Okay, here we are in the Cake studios where we did the newscast.

[Nomes Griffin]

How does it feel to be in the newsroom where you spent so much.

[Tim Harford]

Of your time in your career, 25 years? It feels wonderful. It still feels like home to me. This studio still feels like home to me. And the reason. I think one of the reasons it does is because we went through so many stories together and tragedies together. Of course, the biggest one being btk. We went through that together for a whole year and a half, and it was gut wrenching. It took all of our emotions out of us because we knew when we were sitting at this set that I'm standing at right now, when we were communicating BTK stories, we were communicating to btk. We were saying things that would get BTK to react and send another clue. So we were sitting here at the set, not only doing a newscast in this set, but we were trying to catch a killer from this set.

[Susan Peters]

You knew he was listening.

[Tim Harford]

We knew he was watching every night. We knew BTK was watching us from this new set every night. He said it in his letters to us.

[Nomes Griffin]

While Susan told us about her memories in the Cake studio during the BTK era, the new generation of Cake TV anchors listened in.

[Tim Harford]

And then another memory I have of the studio in relation to btk, he pleaded guilty. Okay. So the preliminary hearing, okay, so my co anchor and I, Jeff, we set up a special BTK set for the preliminary hearing and the sentencing hearing and all that. It was in that corner of the studio. Okay. It was a special BTK set. And we go on the air that morning and Jeff and I are talking in this corner. The preliminary hearing starts at 9:00. Okay. Oh, we'll be out of the studio by 9:15, 9:30. Because it's just a preliminary hearing plea agreement. We sat in that corner with our mouths dropped open for four hours as Dennis Raider described in detail, every single murder in detail, horrifying detail, like he was being interviewed on an entertainment show, like he was accepting an Academy Award. I'll never forget. We sat in that corner stunned, our stomachs in knots. And of course, as an anchor person, you're taking notes as to what he said. I still have all those notes. I can't even believe what I was writing down because we couldn't believe what he was saying. And that's the other spooky memory I have of this set, is in that corner, us just sitting there as all of Wichita was. Are you kidding me? This is evil. Over and over and over again. I did not know about this. Oh yeah, oh yeah. That's so sweet, David. I'll never forget that morning. It was my daughter's first day at school. They were in grade school still. I had one in kindergarten and one four years older, so that would be fourth grade. And I took them to school in the morning. You know how emotional first day of school is for parents. So I cried, dropped them off. First day of school came right in. The preliminary hearing was starting at 9:00 and I, God, I hope we can get out of here because I just want to go home and cry. And we go, you know, it's going to be 15 minutes. It was so weird going from dropping them off at school and crying and then coming right to the studio, never thinking in a million years you were going to sit through four hours of pure vile evil. And I wasn't crying for me. I was crying for the victims families who were in the courtroom that day. And we're watching them on camera in the courtroom and I said to myself, I just got to drop my kids off at school. And here they were. Charlie was a school kid himself. Steve Relford was five years old. He never got the chance to go to a normal school life again after he watched his mom being killed. Not to get too philosophical, but how does God choose? I mean, I know it's not God that chooses, but I don't know. I'm sorry, Dane. I guess the studio has more emotion than I thought. I mean, so much evil was talked about in this studio. Okay, I think I'm done. It takes one guy out there to say, who's that? Kyle, who thinks he can just get on a microphone on a podcast and start publicizing this.

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[Nomes Griffin]

We left the studio so the anchors could prepare for the afternoon newscast. And Susan took us downstairs to the newsroom here. She explained to us what would happen after the station received a BTK letter.

[Tim Harford]

So what would happen is the receptionist would get the mail and she would get the feeling. The receptionist would get the feeling that this is from btk. She'd immediately, immediately put on rubber gloves, call the news director, and walk the clue postcard back to the newsroom. Here. The news director, I'm sorry, I'm taking you through a maze. This is the way I used to get to the newsroom. So the receptionist would call the news director. The news director would immediately get his rubber gloves on and walk out and get the letter and bring it up to the newsroom. And as soon as the news director walked in the newsroom with a clue or a letter from btk, he'd call the police first. Right after that, he'd call a photographer and say, come shoot this video. Yeah, gotta get a video. So he'd go in his office here. The police would come right in this office. The news director would put his rubber gloves on in case there were fingerprints or anything. A photographer would come in and the police would come in, confiscate the clue or the letter. We did that four times. The first letter BTK sent to us after he reappeared was simply a piece of paper that said the BTK story 1 through 13. We made copies of that copy. Copy. We went out into the newsroom, and every single reporter here, at every single desk, you see a couple dozen desks here got a copy of that letter. And we just analyzed and analyzed and analyzed. We were trying to figure out what this was, who this guy was, and if this could have given us any sort of clue. All of us sat here in the newsroom and said we were scared.

[Nomes Griffin]

Our final stop was in Park City.

[Tim Harford]

The city of Park City bought this house from Dennis Raider's ex wife and then tore it down because there were so many gawkers and sightseers who would drive by. I'm sure there still are, Especially with what has happened lately. You can see remnants.

[Nomes Griffin]

The week before our trip to Wichita, the News broke that BTK was a suspect in the 1976 disappearance of Missouri woman Cynthia Dawn Kinney. The month prior, the Osage County Sheriff's Department in Oklahoma obtained a permit to search the lot for evidence.

[Tim Harford]

You see the sidewalk that's newly ripped up, newly excavated because they found mementos from one of Dennis Raider's kills buried underground here just last month. And so I'm sure other people are coming here to sightsee. But this is really, really, really, after all these years, it's been 20, almost 20 years since he reappeared. Almost 20 years since he reappeared. And this is the first time really in 20 years that Dennis Raider's home is the site of another crime scene, if you will. Freshly dug up dirt and sidewalk that housed some of Dennis Raider's mementos from past crimes, past killings. And it's really weird to see it because you never thought you'd see it again.

[Nomes Griffin]

The sidewalk that Osage county tore up leads from Independent street through the lot and behind neighbors houses to a public park.

[Tim Harford]

So the city built a walkway here that welcomes you to this park, down the street and behind his property. So it's almost like we're turning this place where a evil parasite used to live into something nice for children, into something that will help children grow and play and thrive. Carrie Rawson and I came here to her former residence where Dennis Raider lived when she first came out with her book a couple years ago. And we walked along the property, she pointed out, see those tulips over there? My dad and I planted them. My dad taught me how to plant tulips. See this over here? She pointed to that tree and said, see that tree? My dad built the neatest tree house for us in that tree. And we used to climb up in the tree house all the time. And she's walking through this lot reminiscing about her normal childhood hood.

[Susan Peters]

What could you say? You know, I've noticed as we were sitting, you know, walking through this property, well, it used to be his property.

[Tim Harford]

You've.

[Susan Peters]

I've noticed two cars that come past and you see, they slow down.

[Tim Harford]

That's why the city of Park City wanted to tear the house down in the first place, because it used to be a steady stream, just a steady stream of gawk down this quiet little street. And now, even though the house is torn down and we're standing in the middle of an empty lot, we still see cars driving by, pointing to the lot that this is where BTK lived. These neighbors here, now, I'm sure they're very tired of people coming, coming down the street and, and gawking at the house. But it'll happen that way forever and ever. There's no stopping it.

[Susan Peters]

As we sit here also outside of Raider's house, you know, when everything's done with the new investigations and what do you think should be done to this property? Should you just leave it as land or should they. Do you have, you know.

[Tim Harford]

No, that's a very good question.

[Susan Peters]

What do you think should be put here that can make it maybe stop being such a landmark?

[Tim Harford]

That is a very, very good question. I feel if it was a place that people had access to, you wouldn't have people driving by. It would just be another, another thing on the street and it would cease to be BTK's property. If they built something here that people could name, for instance, a food pantry, maybe a mini park here, the city of Park City could build, maybe if they built a mini park here, I don't think people would look at this area the same. I think they look of it, look at it as a park where kids could play and recreate. I don't think they drive down the street and say, that was BTK's house.

[Susan Peters]

I agree. And as I'm sitting here and looking, you know, a dog park.

[Nomes Griffin]

I've spent the last two years working on this project. And our trip to Witchita was one of the most difficult parts. Not only were the interviews emotionally heavy, but so were these site visits. The demolition of Dennis Rader's home should have signaled the finality of this case. But walking past the torn up sidewalk, it just goes to show you that closure is fickle. I don't know if Dennis Raider actually committed this 1976 murder, but after this trip, I do know that the city of Wichita is incredibly resilient. Geico's motorcycle expertise means I'm covered by.

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