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This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. In this episode, we'll be talking about these victims in very graphic terms. These details are crucial for proving the mistakes and missed opportunities that could have led to the perpetrator's capture sooner. These individuals deserve to be remembered not by the details of their deaths, but by the fullness of their lives. They are Shannon Gilbert, Moraine Brainard Barnes, Megan Waterman, Melissa Bartholomew and Amberlynn Costello. In December of 2015, federal agents arrested Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke, this stunning downfall being just the latest black eye in the county's long history of police corruption. Investigators say that Chief Burke tortured a prisoner for stealing a duffel bag out of the chief's SUV. Federal prosecutor Peters accusing the 51 year old of using his power to assault prisoner Christopher Loeb. I got choked, I got punched, I got slapped, I got kicked. Burke had beaten an addict and petty thief named Christopher Loeb in a Suffolk county station house. Loeb had the misfortune of breaking into the Chief's SUV and stealing his gym bag. Unfortunately for Burke, the gym bag contained his gun belt, sex toys and nasty porn, which sparked a new wave of lurid speculation, including claims that the porn was a snuff tape. And rumors that maybe Burke, the chief of police, was actually the Long island serial killer. One of the allegations is that in the duffel bag that was stolen from James Burke was a snuff film. Film like that. Not something you're gonna buy on the local porn shop. Without question, Jimmy Burke is a criminal genius. So let me ask you something. Do you think that Burke is Lisk? While the contents of the gym bag seemed trivial in retrospect, what wasn't trivial was the fact that Burke, as well as the Suffolk County District attorney and even the head of their anti corruption unit had all orchestrated a massive cover up. And while none of this had anything to do with the Lisk case, it revealed at least one truth behind all those rumors. That, yes, Suffolk county was willing to obstruct justice to protect its own. Once at the height of power in Suffolk county, he is now heading to prison. Under the plea deal, Burke will serve up to 51 months, a fraction of the 30 years he faced. His crashing fall from grace has countywide implications. The damage and the cost of this corruption and abuse of power is incalculable. But that's as far as we'd gotten in 2016 when the killing Season was released. But now that Rex Hjrman, the alleged killer, has been caught, we can finally get to the questions we've been waiting so long to ask. Exactly how did this corruption affect the Lisk case? And did it prevent the Suffolk County PD from catching Lisk sooner? But what's so surprising and downright shocking is when you learn, as we did, just how close they actually came to catching Lisk a decade ago. Far closer than what law enforcement has publicly stated. So close that you might even call it criminal. I'm Josh Zieman, and this is Monster Hunting. The Long Island Serial Killer. While many questions still remain in the death of Shannon Gilbert, her disappearance set off a chain of events that uncovered something far more terrifying than anyone could have imagined. One of the most gruesome and baffling serial killer cases in decades. The case that will be remembered alongside the Green River Killer, the Grim Sleeper, or the Golden State Killer. Breaking news out of New York. The arrest of a suspected serial killer. This was an infamous case from over a decade ago that really captured the nation's attention. The most notorious predator in New York since the Son of Sam. But what makes this case so unique is how Lisk bridges two worlds. That being the golden age of serial murder from the 1970s to the 1990s, in the world of today. And that's because Rex Heuermann has been walking the streets for more than 32 years, since his first alleged killing. And like so many of us, he seems to be a product of this perverse fascination we all have with serial murder that some say was reignited from with the release of Silence of the Lambs in 1991. What does he do, this man you seek? He kills women. No. That is incidental. What needs does he serve by killing? Anger, social acceptance, and sexual frustration. No. He covets. Rex was just 27 back then and just two years shy of that alleged first murder. But since then, Rex has become far more calculating because we know he studied and he planned, absorbing decades worth of serial killer books and true crime shows, fine tuning his methods, but also adapting, incorporating technology to become a predator of the modern age. This killer went shopping on the Internet for the perfect victim. And he found it. In his seminal book, Lost Girls, author Robert Kolker wrote about how the Internet has played a dark hand in the list case. The women who were targeted by this killer were representing something new out there in the world of prostitution. They were using the Internet, and that might have given them a false sense of security. But the Internet has made life different for johns as well. They can remain more or less anonymous on the Internet, and they can maintain this hobby, even, you know, and hide it from their nearest and dearest. As Kolker explained, it wasn't just the anonymity of the johns that made this case so difficult to solve. It was also the anonymity of the victims. Of the 10 bodies discovered along Ocean Parkway, the police quickly identified the first four found in December of 2010. But of the six bodies found months later, they can only ID one, that being Jessica Taylor, age 20. And for years, the rest would remain nameless, including the baffling case of an Asian male found dressed in women's clothing. And maybe the most troubling victim of them all, a toddler known only as Baby Doe. Now, each victim has their own story, their own rabbit hole, their own. But first, we'll start where the investigators started. And we're following more breaking news. Suffolk county police releasing new info about the women known as the Gilgo 4, all victims in the Long island serial killer case. The first women were found along Long Island South Shore women known as the Gilgo 4, discarded in a similar fashion. They were placed roughly 500ft apart, each wrapped in burlap. The press had dubbed them the Gilgo Four, and the nickname stuck. Four women, each wrapped in Burlap, their arms and legs bound in tape, or in one case, leather belts, presumably so they could be carried from a vehicle pulled off on the side of the highway. They had all been placed between 20 to 30ft into the bramble. It's assumed the killer did this with the intention of returning to Baskin whatever horrors he had committed. It's also believed in choosing this stretch of road, the killer was intimately familiar with Ocean Parkway. We're all creatures of habit, and he knew the area. He knew where to put these bodies. He felt comfortable where there's no cars coming back and forth. This is really the perfect place to disguise something. No one's going to see you doing it, and no one's going to see what you've done. Is there somebody local that happens to know that's a very deserted area at a certain time of night. So it makes you a little concerned that this predator could possibly be living amongst us in one of the beach communities. But what no one knew back then was that one of these four women would be the key to catching lisk. It's a story that unfolds over a decade later. But first, the stories of these women who are more than just a nickname. They were Melissa Bartholomew, Megan Waterman, Amberlynn Costello, and finally, Maureen Brainard Barnes. The first of these four women to disappear. Maureen had vanished from Penn Station on July 9, 2007, which is why my partner Rachel and I were there filming for the Killing season at that exact same time. 11:30pm on a Monday night in July. All right, let's take a look around. Is there a smoking section around here? Yeah, I got that later. And what about the exits? She could have gone out here to smoke, probably. Right. This is where I would go. So this is Penn Station, where Maureen Brainer Barnes was Last seen on July 9, 2007. Maureen needed money, and she needed it quick. If she could just make 11 by the end of her stay and keep her from getting evicted and keep her ex from gaining custody of her child. Maureen had taken the train down from her home in Groton, Connecticut, and spent the next four days taking in calls with clients at a hotel in Midtown. On Monday night, July 9, she checked out of that hotel and walked to Penn Station, where she called her sister Melissa. She called me from her cell phone at Penn Station. Okay, so Monday night. Yes, she was taking a train home. In 2015, as part of the Killing Season, we interviewed Melissa about what she thought happened to her sister that night. She said she had to walk out to go have a Cigarette. And do we know what happened after that? I think she was stalked by someone that she knew before as a client. So anywhere from 11:30 to 12, I'm assuming she got taken. That's the security camera there. There's police cars everywhere. In returning to Penn Station, Rachel and I wanted to understand whether Maureen had been abducted by Lisk, or was it more likely that she went with him willingly. As you can see, it'd be pretty difficult to snatch somebody this area. I don't think someone can be taken that easily. Maybe he made some offer, couldn't refuse. If he was using his own phone, they would know. But if he was using a burner phone, that could have worked. We now know there were, in fact, 16, quote, interactions between a burner phone and Maureen's cell, all made within the four days before she vanished. Another clue comes from a 2007 police report that only recently came to light, revealing a witness who swore that Maureen called her just after her sister to say that she was going to meet a client out on Long island and that she would call her after. This station is Penn Station. We had always believed that Maureen had taken the train from Penn Station to some unknown stop out on the island. But we now know her cell phone registered its final ping in Manhattan, near the 59th Street Bridge. Yet there's no way her cell phone could get a signal while it was traveling underground. Which means it's far more likely that she did go out to smoke before either getting into a taxi or possibly a vehicle driven by Lisk. But maybe most chilling were the calls that came three days later on Sunday, July 12th. Two calls from Maureen's cell phone to her voicemail. But detectives don't think the caller was Maureen. They think it was Lisk, listening to her messages to see if anyone was worried as to why she hadn't called after meeting her client. But the only thing detectives knew for sure was that cell phone tower data put the caller somewhere near the Long Island Expressway in an area known as aslandia, less than 30 miles from Kilgo Beach. The mailbox is full and cannot accept any messages at this time. Goodbye. 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What's the age difference between you two? Nine years. By the time Melissa was 24, she had already spent three years on the mean streets of the New York. But now she was finally leaving her pimp behind. Using Craigslist and Backpage, Melissa now had her own clients and her own apartment in the Bronx. On July 10, 2009, a neighbor saw Melissa outside that apartment waiting for a cab to take her to the city. According to her friend, she had just booked a thousand dollar out call on Long Island. The night before, she texted with Amanda, who was about to fly down from Buffalo. But then Melissa vanished. No calls, no texts. As her mother Lynn told us, she and her husband Jeff started calling hospitals and police. Then one week later, their phone rang. Melissa had been missing a while. Her phone rang and came up on the caller ID that it was Melissa. And we're like, oh my God. So Amanda answers it, and she's expecting to hear her sister's voice. And it was a guy. It's believed that Lisk, using Melissa's cell phone, called Amanda five times over a six week period, with each call becoming increasingly more graphic as he described to the 15 year old in detail how he sexually assaulted her sister. Yet the calls always ended before they could be traced. Sitting with Amanda, it was obvious the emotional scars from these calls ran deep. Something I have to hear in my head. I don't like saying it out loud. Later, her stepfather Jeff, revealed to us what the caller had said. The first call, he said to her, are you a whore like your sister? I heard you're a half breed. The last one, he said he finally murdered her. He's going to watch her body rot and he might come and show her someday personally. So why Amanda? Was there some clue as to why he called this sister? More so, how did he know such specific details about Amanda? For example, that she was biracial. A chilling thought when you consider that Amanda was about to visit her sister in New York in less than a week. Any reason why he didn't call anybody else and only called you? You're asking me the same questions I ask myself every day. You know, you may be the key. I know. Unfortunately, While police were unable to trace the exact location of the calls to Amanda, they knew that they had all pinged off towers in either Time Square or more importantly, Madison Square Garden. A clue that we discussed with Lynn because of a strange connection to the previous victim, Maureen Brainard. Barnes. Okay, so Maureen calls her sister, right? Which is interesting because the calls that came into Amanda, one of them came from a cell phone tower at Madison Square Garden. And in the basement of Madison Square Garden is Penn Station. Investigators theorized the multiple connections to Penn Station meant that this location was somehow significant in the killer's life. But the most important clue was in the timing of the calls made to Amanda. The first set of calls, made between 11:29am and 12:40pm suggested the killer had a job, an office job. And these terrifying calls were made during his lunch hour. The second set of calls, from 6:42pm to 7:23pm were all made at the tail end of the evening rush hour, leading police to believe they were hunting a commuter. One who made that daily trek from somewhere in Long island to an office in Midtown. A commuter who probably went back and forth every day on the Long Island Railroad, whose main hub was in Penn Station. As you leave the train, please step over the gap between the two train and the platform. The biggest question was, where on Long Island? From Melissa's cell phone records, she made two calls to her voicemail from two motels in Massapequa. Can you tell me about those? Just that they were accessed. That's all. We knew there was a lot of calls in and out from Massapequa. We now know there were actually three calls to Melissa's voicemail, but they didn't come from a motel. And like Maureen, it wasn't Melissa calling. We also know there are at least five interactions between a burner phone and Melissa's phone, all from Massapequa. But maybe the most telling clue coming on the early morning of July 12th at exactly 1:43am just after Melissa left Manhattan, when her cell phone pinged to a tower in Massapequa. What was obvious is that the numerous mentions of Massapequa suggested an important clue, A possible location connected to this killer. A theory further corroborated by his next victim, Megan Waterman. Megan Waterman was similar to so many stories we'd heard. Young women hardened by dysfunction who were desperate to believe the promises of a Romeo pit hemp. In Megan's case, this was AEM Cruz, a Brooklynite who lured her into a world of drugs and sex work. Cruz often brought Megan down to Long island, where she took in calls at the hotels that dotted the expressway. While there, she would often call to check in with her daughter until those calls stopped on June 5, 2010. The last image we have of Megan was captured by a lobby surveillance camera at 1:31am walking out of the Hap Hog Holiday Inn Express and down an access road before disappearing into the darkness. I went to the Holiday inn Express. Only one till I couldn't. Couldn't handle it. In 2015, we interviewed Lorraine Ella, Megan's mother, who revealed an interesting detail about. About her daughter's disappearance, where she went missing. It's pitch black. Megan comes across as a tough person, but Megan's afraid of the dark. She would sleep with her bedroom light on and her TV going at night. There's no way she would have went down there. Megan is petrified of the dark. Rachel and I went to that Holiday Inn to walk down that staircase. Same access road where Megan disappeared. One of the biggest mysteries is was she just walking because she was just going down to this convenience store, or did she actually have a call that night? While some reports suggested that Megan was going to a store to grab cigarettes or candy, we can now safely assume she was going to meet Lisk. I think he called her up and said, hey, I want to see you tonight, and then I'll pick you up. Just to the access road. Just walk up. The thing that we do know is she wasn't picked up in the parking lot close to that front door. She was not picked up at the front door. The security camera probably sees that area, right? Yeah. So there was at least the intention to disguise himself from being seen. But what's important about all these details is that we're reaching that critical moment when the victim is getting into the killer's car, the contact point. That's when his chances of getting caught skyrocket, usually from an eyewitness account or from a video camera. Obviously, that's why Rex allegedly picked up Megan away from the motel. But what he didn't know is that the cameras outside the Holiday Inn didn't even work. But we also learned something else from Megan's mother. She had to have seen him before this, but her to let her go down. Why do you think that? Because she doesn't go outside, just meet anybody. She had to have met this person to let her guard down enough to walk out of the hotel at 1:15 in the morning. We now know detectives learned early in the investigation that Megan was going on an out call with the same white male she had met the day prior, one who had paid her a large sum of money. They also knew that Megan's cell phone had pinged at 3:11am to a disturbingly familiar location, Massapequa Park. In 2011, the FBI began mapping areas where the victim's cell phones and the killer's burner phones had both pinged, creating two geographical boxes. One so called box was in midtown Manhattan where they believed the killer worked, but the other was in an area of Long island where they believed the killer might live. They looked at an area of a confluence of four cell towers and they realized that this had significance because the perpetrator of the these crimes was probably located within this area and that was mapped out. That was called the Box and it was an area in Massapequa park. Back in 2012, investigators were already honing in on Lisk's location somewhere, it seemed within the Massapequa park area. But in truth, there were thousands, if not tens of thousands of men who lived in within their box. What they needed was just one more piece of the puzzle, one more clue that could lead them to their killer. A clue that the Gilgo beach task Force would later find buried in the case files of Lisk's final victim, Amberlynn Cost. 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But what wasn't expected was how easy to become With Craigslist and a new site, backpage. She posted her ad and I swear to God, within 35 minutes that phone was ringing off the hook. I couldn't believe it and I started posting too. We had a sister's, you know, ad. We made a lot of money that summer. We made a lot of money. Using sex work as a means to get their fix, the sisters asked Dave to keep them safe. I protected her. You know, most of the times I would leave and go take a drive or something. And then if something happened, they would call me and I'd come back to the house. I let her do things at my house, which I regret. I really do. It was Amber who did most of the work, operating out of their house in North Babylon with Dave always close by. His constant presence was one reason why Amber almost exclusively did in calls. Except for that night on September 2, 2010, when she received an unusual request for an eight hour out call. More so the caller asked Amber to leave behind her belongings, all in exchange for $1,500. He was going to drive her into the city that night to get dope. I never told everybody the whole story. I don't really go into it that much, but that was part of the deal, was that this guy was going to drive to the city at dope. And that's why I thought she was comfortable with him. Amber left the house with nothing but the clothes on her back. No cell phone, no overnight bag. Dave walked her to the edge of the property, gave her a hug and said, call me later. She said she would, then disappeared around the corner. It was the last time Dave ever saw Amber alive. All I had to do was walk like another fucking 10ft and I would have seen this fucking guy's car. Like 10 more feet. That's the thing that fucks me up. 10ft. That's I could have seen a license plate place, you know, 10ft killed that girl. Dave never saw the car that night. But later he discussed a number of clues he'd never discussed with anyone before, at least publicly. And remember, this was back in 2015, eight years before Rex was arrested. And based upon more recent interviews that he's done, clues he's never mentioned since. You know what, Honestly, I think that there's like two or three guys that I think that could be the one that did it. I think about it for years. There was one guy who was stalking her. Like we'd get in the car to go somewhere and her phone would ring and it would be this freak following us around and shit. And he was calling and telling her, he's like, yeah, he's like, I see you. You're wearing pink, a pink shirt, blue shorts. This guy was doing the ship, like for a while. The stalker line definitely piqued our attention, as did the taunting calls, which sounded similar to the calls made to Amanda, Melissa's little sister. There was another one. A guy pulled up saying that he was gonna skin her alive. There was one guy who came there. He was a monster. He was like 6, 8, 6 9, monster of a dude. And I wound up fighting with him and went through my front door, over the frigging stairs, onto the lawn. The fight with this angry John broke out after Dave and Amber had tried to trick him in an age old scam, one they ran on numerous clients that summer. Dave, pretending to be Amber's angry boyfriend, would threaten and chase the John out of the house so that Amber wouldn't have to have sex while still keeping the John's money. He was just this beast of a man and he was driving a green. What the hell is that thing called Green Avalanche. Chevy Avalanche truck. White, black, Hispanic, white dude. Older, like, probably like, you know, like 50 years old. Monster. I mean, literally like 6 foot 9, 300 pounds. It was only like a couple weeks before, right before she disappeared, that that guy was there. I told the cops about everybody. You know, it was either like, there was like three guys that were like, you know, that she's seen a bunch of times. The one dude that was stalking her, the one dude who came back and said he was going to skin her alive. And then that guy, that monster with Green Avalanche. Yeah. Quick question. Do you ever hear his voice? Yeah, Yeah, I can hear his voice. Here. Yeah, I can hear him. I can. He's flipping the out, man. That guy, I remember. I can hear his voice. I can hear all their voices. Those guys. I can see their faces. You know, if they. If they ever catch this guy, I'm going to. I say it all. I said it thousand times. I'm gonna be like, you know, I'm gonna know. I know I am. I know I am. What we didn't know back then was buried in Dave Schaller's interview was the clue that broke the list case. The clue that led police to finally identify, after more than a decade, Rex Heuerman, the alleged Long island serial killer. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you all for coming. I'm standing here with McGilgo Task Force to announce the indictment of Rex Urman. The murders of these young women went unsolved until today. The significant break in the case was that Chevy Avalanche that was used during the Amber Costello crime. This case is. Is over. We're going to convict him and we're going to hold him responsible for what he did. He had a green Chevrolet Avalanche. A Chevy Avalanche. It was a tip about this Chevy Avalanche that led to the arrest of Rex Uerman. There's the witness who says that the killer drove a first generation Chevy Avalanche. Investigators had a description of a Chevrolet Avalanche in their case files since the 2010. David Schallert spoke with homicide detectives more than a decade ago. The Green Avalanche, the clue we now know Dave Schaller gave to Suffolk county detectives over 10 years ago, the same clue he gave us. A Chevy Avalanche. How many of those are out in Massapequa? The clue that could have solved one of the most notorious serial killer cases in decades. And miss, sitting right there in front of me. Many red flags were missed. I call it evidence. The clue that had been there all along was my jinx moment, and I missed it. That's a hot lead. How do you get buried? What was going on out in Long Island? Ready to keep listening? Remember, you can binge the rest of the season right now with an iHeart True Crime plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts Plus. You get exclusive bonuses and ad free listening. So head to Apple Podcasts, search I Heart True Crime plus and subscribe today. Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart podcasts, hosted, written and executive produced by me, Josh Zieman produced and written by Kaitlin Colford. Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay are executive producers on behalf of Tenderfoot tv. 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