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You'Re listening to Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating in the podcast and do not reflect those of Tenderfoot TV or iHeartMedia. This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised.
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In this episode, we'll be talking about these victims in very graphic terms These details are crucial for proving the mistakes and missed opportunities that could have led to the perpetrator's capture sooner. These individuals deserve to be remembered not by the details of their deaths, but by the fullness of their lives. They are Shannon Gilbert, Maureen Brainard Barnes, Megan Waterman, Melissa Bartholomew, Amberlynn Costello, Jessica Taylor, Valerie Mac, Karen Vergata, Asian Doe, Tanya, Denise Jackson, and Tatiana Marie Dykes.
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When she first disappeared, I called all the precincts to find out if she had been arrested, because she didn't call me. After a couple days, I didn't find anybody that had OD'd, so I really. I didn't think she was dead. Finally, someone had called me. They had said, have you spoken to Amber? And I'm like, no. Why? They're like, are you watching the news? I'm like, why is she arrested? Is she on the news? They're like, kim, they just pulled up four bodies off Gilgo beach, and they think his girls were from Craigslist. And right then, I knew one of those girls was Amber. I knew, like, I knew. The voice you're hearing is that of Kim Overstreet. Her sister was Amberlynn Costello, one of the four women found wrapped in burlap on Gilgo Beach. We interviewed Kim back in 2014 in the same hotel where Vict Megan Waterman was last seen. This wasn't by chance. The hotel was still popular with sex workers, and that included Amber's sister, Kim, whose life had spiraled into darkness. Where I'm at right now has just about everything to do with what happened to Amber. I walked away from friends and family that I could call. I've just given up my will. I feel like I've lost my life.
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I just.
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I have no reason to do anything. You know, I just do whatever I have to at that moment. You know, I live moment to Mom. Right now.
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I just don't know if I'm going to ever be able to come back from this, you know?
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It's hard.
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Like many of the families whose loved ones had been taken by Lisk, Kim had given up all hope of law enforcement ever solving Amber's case. I don't think that they really have a lot. They have a bag of bones in one hand and some hope in the other. So your sister disappears. How quickly do you continue to keep working after you? Immediately. Immediately. You didn't stop? No. I quit my job and did it all day and all night, hoping I would come across the guy who did it. You know, I was hoping he'd still be in the Area. I've been trying to solve it. I've took guys information down, tag numbers. If I could get anything off the driver's license, you know, I did whatever I could. So what do you want? I just want to know who killed my sister. I just want to see for myself in my own two eyes. And is that going to happen? Help you? Yeah, I think it will.
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And so if we were to go find him, where should we look? Good question. On Backpage. Advertisements meant for women. Same way he finds us. Do you think this guy scans Backpage? Absolutely. Every day. Every day.
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And that's where we came in. To use our series. Not just to tell a story, but to change it. We wanted to provoke Glisk to get a reaction and maybe a clue. Which led us to posting messages on the escort site Backpage that we filmed for our series the Killing Season. Knowing that Lisk liked Peru's Backpage and taunt his victims, we decided it was time to look into his hunting ground. FILMMAKERS SEEK ESCORT FOR DOCUMENTARY we're looking for escort who think they may have come across the Long island serial killer. We have information as to whom we believe this individual is and are looking for someone to confirm based upon specific details. We knew that Lisk would be looking at Backpage. We knew he would see this ad. All right, you ready to do this? Yeah.
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I'm Josh Zieman and this is Monster hunting the Long island serial killer.
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Now New York's number one news Channel seven Eyewitness News at six. Shocked today after an arrest in the infamous gilgo beach murders. 59 year old reckless Rex Heuerman is now charged in the murders of three women. Rex, did you do it? Heuermann was arrested last night near his office in midtown Manhattan. Tonight he's being held without bail. Rex Heuermann hunted and haunted unsuspecting young women over three decades. Whether it was the earliest days of the Gilgo beach investigation, or moments after the arrest of the alleged Long island serial killer, Rec Heuerman. Throughout the media's coverage, we'd often heard the inevitable serial killer as hunter analogy. It's an all too common trope that goes back to the classic short story the Most Dangerous game. In the 1932 film that followed. Here on my island, I hunt the most dangerous game. The story tells of a Russian nobleman who hunts humans for sport, claiming his prey are nothing more than scum of the earth. But in the aftermath of Rex's arrest, what was suddenly apparent was how closely this dark tale of human behav and power Dynamics mirrored the List case. His intent was to hunt them down and to bring them under his control. Heuerman was an alleged predator who terrorized and killed sex workers for his gratification. He liked the idea of having a prize. Stalking prey. Stalking prey. And winning. He liked to win. From the very beginning, we wanted to turn the tables on this serial killer as hunter theme. We wanted to shift the dynamic and take that power away. And so, in our retelling, the hunter would become the hunted. Another common trope, but one that gave these victims and their families at least something in lieu of the justice that they'd been denied. Which is what led Rachel and I to that post on Backpage. Do you think he's actually gonna, like, contact us? We're basically saying we have information as to who he is, and we're just looking for someone to confirm the details. I feel like nothing's gonna come of this. But then a little bit of me is like, but what if it does? While we didn't know if Lisk would find some veiled way of reaching out to find out how much we knew, one cryptic response did catch our attention. From an anonymous source claiming to know why Lisk had seemingly gone cold, along with a number for us to call. I heard who the Lisk is. Slash was. And it kind of makes sense that he hasn't killed in a while. You should.
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Hey, were the filmmakers doing the Long island serial killer documentary? You saw our post on Backpage? Yeah. I had heard that the gentleman that owned Atlantis Marine, he was a suspect, and that's when he had committed suicide. And how did you hear that? I worked with the police department. I had heard that's who the DA's office was quite before arresting somebody on it. And that's when he killed himself. The caller was repeating a rumor, claiming a Suffolk county businessman who committed suicide just after the bodies were found was actually Lisk. A rumor that, conveniently for the DA's office, scapegoated a dead man. But in the days after Heuerman's arrest, some viewers thought the caller might have been Rex himself. We're learning that Rex Heuermann may have called a documentary filmmaker seven years ago. In a sick effort at pinning the crime spree on somebody else, audio expert Anthony Nelson analyzed the recordings for Inside Edition. Was it him who made that phone call? In my opinion, it sounds exactly like him. Whether that was Rex really calling us, it's hard to say. And while we're leery of Inside Edition's findings, one thing we know is true. Rex Uerman was in fact scouring news reports, documentaries, and websites, trying to figure out exactly who knew what. It's a cat and mouse game with Lisk that stretches all the way Back to our 2015 interview with former Suffolk County Police chief Richard Dormer. You think he probably controls these sites that talk about him? Yes, I believe that the media thing is big. He's going to watch this show. When you advertise this thing, he's going to zero in on this.
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If there was even a remote chance that our back page post gave Lisk the littlest tinge of fear, then in our minds, it was worth it. It's why we originally wanted to call our show the hunting season. And now, 10 years later, it seems this hunting theme was the answer all along. The clue to understanding why List chose Ocean Parkway, or what is now known as the largest crime scene in Suffolk county history. Ocean Parkway stretches along this barrier island for 50, 15 miles. It is a terribly desolate area, perhaps the most desolate in the New York City metropolitan area. It's so dark out here that if a killer were to pull over on the side of the road, he'd be able to operate in real secrecy. This is what he would see. Absolutely nothing.
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Ocean Parkway runs the length of Jones beach island with the Atlantic Ocean on one side and the great Jones Bay on the other. In some sections, it's just a few hundred feet wide. No homes, no streetlights. Pulling onto its grassy shoulder, you could quickly step into brush so thick you couldn't see a body unless you were right on top of it. You could also spot the headlights of an approaching car from miles away. In short, the perfect place to hide a body. But how did the killer know this remote spot so intimately? And what did it have to do with burlap? The remains of four missing women were found here, bound in burlap and dumped. Maureen, Melissa, Megan and amber. The first four women found on Gilgo beach in December of 2010. Unlike many of the other victims who were dismembered, they were found intact. But more importantly, a clue leaked to the press revealed that they were wrapped in a unique type of burlap. Again, there's former police chief Richard Dormer. This information went out there about what they were wrapped in, and we never verified that. I will verify they were wrapped, wrapped, but what they were wrapped in, we never revealed that. But somebody, a source, told the media, and of course, anybody that had anything to do with burlap sacks was a suspect. Those burlap sacks found at the scene, burlap isn't common these days. Who would use burlap in that area? Well, clam diggers. Off camera, Dormer told us there was something printed on the outside of the burlap, leading Rachel and I on our own wild goose chase, One that focused on landscapers. Do you sell burlap sacks? No, you don't sell burlap sacks. There was some question about the bodies were wrapped in burlap. Oh, have you heard about this? Even convicted serial killer and former landscaper himself, Joel Rifky, had an opinion. He has some theories about who this person might be. Someone who's local, someone who's a fisherman, someone who has access to these burlap bags that some of the bodies are found in. Ironically, the answer to the burlap mystery and who Lisk might be was buried in our own footage in one of the first scenes that Rachel and I ever filmed as we explored the frenzy of online sleuths theorizing about the case. So this is the site that popped up immediately after they found the bodies. Longislandserialkiller.com A lot of people had a lot of theories and so they came to this site. Personally, I feel it's a textbook case of a sexually sadistic serial killer who has been killing since at least 1995. There's this guy, Inspector Gadget. I've narrowed down my search to two members of the duck hunting club. While Inspector Gadget was looking at the wrong suspects, his theory that Lisk was a duck hunter was right on target. In fact, within days of Heuermann's arrest, it was reported that not only did Rex have a huge collection of guns, but he was an avid hunter with a special affinity for duck hunting. Police say they found a walk in vault with guns in the basement of Gilgo beach suspect Rex Huberman. He had a duck hunting boat, he had a duck hunting license, he had duck hunting guns. Going out shooting, hunting, that was his passion. We now know that Rex held over 92 gun permits and had even renewed his New York hunting license in 2012, two years after the bodies were found. As for his favorite hunting spot, the isolated inlet bays off Ocean Parkway, corroborated by a photo of Rex smiling in waist deep waters surrounded by decoy ducks just a few hundred yards from where Asian doe was found. And finally, the tragic clue that connected all the dots. Hearing authorities now say that some of the victims were wrapped in a burlap that hunters often use was chilling. The burlap was camouflaged burlap used for duck blinds of hunting. So obviously it was used to hide the bodies. Learning that such burlap was used by duck hunters, it all seems so painfully obvious. Ocean parkway was more than just this killer's dumping grounds. It was also his hunting grounds. And the two were inextricably linked.
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The GB4 are all carefully laid out at the same strip of road. They are carefully wrapped into burlap. This is collection behavior. This guy is a collector. While filming the killing season, we met peter brent, A former submarine technician and author of maritime thrillers. But Peter's passion was developing serial killer profiles, Several of which had been cited by law enforcement. In 2015, Peter published a profile of lisk that was uniquely insightful for understanding why this killer chose ocean parkway.
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Sound can influence the mindset of any person. You sit somewhere and you listen to music, and it can change your mood. The same is for psychopaths, Only they feel it different than normal people. They are emotionally distanced. For them, it's more this almost heterogeneous sound. It's like the ocean, like waves rolling on a beach.
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It's the same kind of noise. It's almost always the same, but it has little variations in it. It's like wind over the forest.
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They're a little bit like certain lullabies. Works on normal people. Like it works on them. It works calming, it works comforting. That is what they like, especially. This is a typical dump area of psychopathic serial killer.
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When it comes to criminal profiling, which, at best is an educated guess. And it works no better than fortune telling. Peter brent's take on lisk Was bizarrely prescient. Tell me a little bit about what this behavior means about him. This guy is not your garden variety section sexual predator. Look at the dump site. Normally, if a sexual predator builds cluster dump sites, he does it to revisit, to relive something sexual. So they usually don't build dump sites next to a road. This guy had no sexual intention. He has an intention to revisit. For him, it's enough to drive by to know the victims are there. He is a hunter. Deer hunter. You have ever been in the house of a hunter? You see all those animal heads Staring from the wall down at you? This guy did exactly the same thing along that road. He parked his victims in nice, equal distances to each other, Like a trophy guard, Always reminding him of his achievement. And considering what we now know about the alleged rex heuermann, it seems that another one of his trophy gardens was manorville. Canine units and squad cars descending on the thick brush of Manorville, New York. It was two decades ago when human remains of two women were found here and at Gilgo beach, later identified as Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack. Some 20 miles north of Gilgo beach is Manorville. Sitting on the edge of Long Island's last remaining wilderness. It's still a popular destination for hunters. Which may be one reason why In November of 2000, Valerie Mac's remains had been placed on a well worn trail during the opening weeks of pheasant season, only to be found by three hunters. There were still other clues to corroborate this tragic connection. Two law enforcement sources told me Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack, found in Manorville were tied up in a very cruel way. One saying their leg area was bound in a ball. The second source said the knees were brought into their chest area. You'd have to be a hunter to do something like that.
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But could there be an even more sinister reason as to why Lyss chose Manorville? It's a question worth asking because of that strange word that keeps popping up in this case. Coincidence. You see, Rex wasn't the only hunter in Long island who at the time was killing sex workers. Which by now isn't so surprising. Except that this hunter lived less than three miles from where the bodies of Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack were found, Right in the heart of Manorville. Suffolk DA Tom Spoda says 48 year old John Bitrolf of Manorville is accused of killing two prostitutes in the 90s. Bitrolf, an avid hunter, he was 27 at the time and has since lived here in Manorville, surrounded by woods and trusting neighbors. In 2014, John Bitroff, a licensed hunter and carpenter, was arrested after DNA taken from his brother on an unrelated charge was uploaded into the CODIS database. That database revealed that John Bittroff's DNA had been found on two murdered women in the 90s. Rita Tangretti, age 31, and Colleen McNamee, age 20. Tangretti's nude body was found in a wooded area of an east Patchog. A few months later, McNamee's body was discovered in the woods in Shirley. Two young women murdered 20 years ago, both of them found in wooded areas in the same naked pose. There is a third murder case. 28 year old Sandra Castilla, murdered back in 1993 under very similar circumstances.
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Three women murdered in just three months. First Rita Tankreddy on November 2nd, 1993. Then only three weeks later, Sandra Castilla. Then ten weeks later, Colleen McNamee. And while Bitroff's DNA wasn't found on Castilla. The strange timing and similar circumstances of her murder led Suffolk County DA Tom Spoda to believe that Bitroff was responsible. It's remarkable that we have this wonderful thing called DNA, because there can't be any other person. I also wanted to mention that we have a third woman. Her manner of death is very similar to the two other women. Sandra Castilla, the third victim. When news first broke in the middle of the Gilgo beach investigation that John Bitroff had been charged with killing two sex workers, many assumed he must be lisk. However, the DA's office disagreed. Bitroff's modus operandi, that of a blitz style bludgeoning, didn't match the Lisk's victims, who were either dismembered or wrapped in burlap. Of course, mos can change. But none of Bitroff's victims were also found on Ocean Parkway. Yet, just after his conviction, DA Spoda's office would conveniently change its mind about a possible connection to Lisk. Now, three years after the District Attorney said there was no link between Bittroff and the Gilgo beach case, we're getting a different story. Quote, there are victims at Gilgo that may be attributed to Mr. Bittroff, and that investigation is continuing. While we didn't know in 2016 if the DA's office was trying to pin any Gilgo victims on Bitroff, it wasn't the first time he'd heard rumors of DA Spoda trying to scapegoat another. Yet little did we know the Bitroff saga would return In June of 2024, when the Gilgo beach task Force made a stunning announcement. We're here today to announce additional charges in the case against Rex urman in the 1993 murder of Sandra Castillo. On November 20, two individuals, while hunting in that wooded area of North Sea, discovered her body.
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Returning now to this major update in the case of the suspected Gilgo B serial killer. In a shocking turn of events, Rex Heuerman has been indicted in the November 1993 death of Sandra Costilla. John Bitrolf has been long suspected in her death but never charged. Prosecutors are saying they believe that around 1993, Rex Heuerman began this killing spree. And that is the really big news out of what we're hearing today. With this shocking twist in the murder of Sandra Castillo, we started digging back into 30 year old newspaper reports looking for some clue that could link back to Rex. What we do know is that Sandra's life took her from Trinidad to Hawaii before she married and settled in New York, police described Sandra as a, quote, drifter living a transient lifestyle before two hunters discovered her body in 1993 behind the now defined Fish Cove Inn in the North Sea area of Long Island. These allegations are stunning and they dramatically expand this now sprawling murder investigation. For the briefest moment, we questioned if these new prosecutors were trying to pin Castillo's murder on Heuerman in hopes of clearing old coal cases. That was until we heard the evidence. There were two hairs from Sandra Castillo's remains. One was a male hair. That same male hair was 4.347 times 10 to the 332 power, more likely to have come from a person genetically identical to Rex Yurman than from an unrelated individual. A hair discovered on Sandra had matched the DNA of Rex Uerman, more so never released. Details of the crime now calls into question attempts by former DA Spoda to link Sandra's murder with those of Bitroff's other victims. The district Attorney's office says Sandra Costilla was mutilated. She had a lot of wounds on her body that don't exist at the other two crime scenes. Additionally, John Bitroff's two victims were found only nine miles apart, while Sandra Castilla was found over 30 miles away in the woods behind a shuttered holiday camp known as the Fish Cove Inn. Ironically, the abandoned lodge became the setting for the 1980s slasher film Madman, a low budget retelling of the Cropsy legend that featured a hulking killer. My story deals with a man who used to live in that old dilapidated house behind those trees. On certain nights when the moon is full, he's out there stalking in the woods. What's now clear is that a real life madman named Rex Uerman allegedly killed Sandra, which only further complicates this case. Sandra was not only the earliest known victim, but the only victim whose remains were not found on Ocean Parkway. She was also identified via fingerprints, meaning the killer hadn't tried to prevent her identification. While his next four victims, Valerie Mack, Tanya, Denise Jackson, Karen Vergata and Jessica Taylor had all been dismembered. Sandra Castilla is surprising. And the reason for that is she was found in 1993. That is before anyone suspected that Long island serial killer was at work here. But that is what prosecutors are saying. So are we seeing a killer evolve, changing his modus operandi as he starts to employ forensic countermeasures to prevent his victims from being identified through fingerprints or dental records? More so, are we seeing a killer developing his signature? His Unique imprint as he places every other victim after Sander Castilla on Ocean Parkway in the creation of his trophy garden. And why is any of this important? Because these are the questions investigators are asking as they try to untangle a case that's been bungled from the start. Ray Tierney will say, just because Tom Spoda many years ago said he thought those cases were so similar does not mean he shares the same opinion. And then there's the timing of Rex Heuerman's crimes as it relates to Bitroff's crimes and the confusion it created back in 2014. Authorities believe Bitroff may be responsible for the murder of Sandra Castilla, which happened in between the deaths of Tangretti and McNamee. And for those of us who have been following the List case, this timing was more than just strange. It was downright mystifying. Let me explain. In November of 1993, John Bitroff kills his first victim. Then just two and a half weeks later, Rex Uerman allegedly kills his first victim, Sandra Castilla. Then two weeks later, Bitroff kills again. So are we to believe that Rex Heuermann allegedly starts his decades long killing spree right in the middle of Bitroff's two murders? And then their timelines intersect again nearly a decade later when Heuermann discards two victims in Manorville, just miles from Bitroff's home. Is this somehow all completely random? Or even more coincidences? And can one case really have this many coincidences? Well, I think the biggest bomb that dropped was the Sandra Castilla case. We had Rita Tangritti and Colleen McNamee and. And then find out it was Rex. That was a shocker. Heuermann's strange connection with John Bitroff is an issue I brought up with Joe Jacqueline, former commander of the Bronx Cold Case Squad, on one of his recent podcasts. For years, Joe and I have been delving into the enigmas of the List case. We know how Rex knows the Gilgo beach area because of the duck hunting. But how does he know manner? This is all about hunting and victims and kind of some. Some weird hunting psychopathy. Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor found by hunters. Who else was a hunter? Pitt Roth was a hunter. Known to you. Known hunter who lived in the area. But then is it a coincidence that he dropped these bodies less than a mile and a half away from where Pitt Roth lived? I've said this a thousand times. From the investigative standpoint, I don't believe in coincidences. I was hoping that somebody in the media and you Know what? They can take this and run with it. Would start searching to see if there was a connection anywhere between these two guys and you. You kind of led me into this one because you just can't ignore the fact that hunters were involved in two of those three cases out there. And you have all these gun clubs out there also. And there's also a Upper Peconic River Fishing Access not too far from where this was on Mill Road. This hunting thing is going to come back. There's a, there's something, there is a hunters type of relationship somewhere here. While we didn't know exactly how Bitra fit into the equation, it seems in trying to answer one question, Joe and I stumbled upon another. Why Manorville? Joe had mentioned the name Upper Peconic Fishing Access, which we would quickly discover was right next to the Peconic River Sportsman's Club. Just a few days after our conversation, it was revealed that Rex was not only a volunteer at the gun club, but he often went there on weekends to hone his hunting skills. Gun club records show Heuerman took part in public shooting competitions and courses in the early 2000s in Manorville at the Peconic River Sportsman's Club. In the end, the reason why Lisk chose Manorville might be so simple, it's terrifying. The Peconic River Sportsman's club was only 2 1/2 miles away from where Jessica Taylor's body was found. In fact, it was on the same road. No turns, no complicated driving required. But it was only when we went to Manorville did it all make sense. Driving along Halsley Manor Road, we were shocked just how clearly we could see that exact same spot where Jessica Taylor's remains had been so carefully placed out in the open. A spot Rex made sure he could see so easily from behind the wheel of his Chevy Avalanche as he drove by on any given weekend on his way to indulge his other passion, guns, and to teach his skills to the next generation. Instructor Ira Rudderman remembers Rex Heuerman as a high powered gun enthusiast who regularly volunteered as a coach at the Sportsman's Club. And then there was Sandra Castilla. Just four miles away from where she was found was the Southampton pistol rifle range, where it's been said that Rex also went to practice his unique skill set. Rex loved hunting and he loved guns. He liked to shock people. He was interested in power games. Whether this theme of hunting or gun clubs or playing the most dangerous game, whether any of this is why the alleged Rex Heuermann chose Ocean Parkway or Manorville Unless we get those answers from Rex himself. All we're doing is speculating. It's all any of us are doing, whether it be the dozens of podcasts or documentaries. And who doesn't like to speculate? To play amateur profiler to see if you can figure out what the killer might be thinking until that moment when you do know, when you finally learn what horror goes on inside that monster's head. As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for. I need to give you a warning about our next story now. What you are about to hear is extremely graphic and it brings us inside the mind of an alleged serial killer.
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Hello. Hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business? My one advice to them Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah. So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.
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Breaking news about the horrifying notes prosecutors say they found on the Gilgo beach serial killer's computer. We do want to warn you, these details are disturbing. Ever since rex's arrest, the DA's office has been releasing court documents to help bolster their case. Documents that also filled in the blanks for our own investigation. But we are still missing that one piece. You might call it the how. How did this monster do what he did? And how could he get away with it for so long? And then it came. The answer no one was expecting. The one piece of evidence that tied it all together. The one I wish I never saw. And welcome to this edition of Roll Call. I'm your host, Joseph Jacalone. Josh Zieman is with us. Josh, thanks for coming up. Thanks for having me. Important day on June 6, 2024, I joined Joe Jacalone and retired detective David Sarni on a live stream as the Suffolk County DA was set to reveal new charges and release new evidence against Rex Uerman. Joe, you heard that? What we're gonna find out is not pretty. Yeah, the word that actually was used was bad. Now, when you hear the term bad from law enforcement, you're talking about really terrible things that happen to a human being. Be prepared. We are going to watch the press live. Okay, we got it. Hang on.
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We're here today to announce additional charges. The task force discovered a Microsoft Word document covered from the home of the defendant entitled HK 2002. As Tierney continued, the DA's office posted the indictment, including one piece of evidence that immediately Caught our attention. One that went far beyond the horrors that any one of us, even seasoned detectives, had ever seen.
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Oh, there it is. There's the indictment. Newly discovered digital evidence. In 2023, the Gilgo task force seized a hard drive from the basement. The task force found the Microsoft word document entitled HK 2002 Planning Documents. Guys, look at this. Kidding me. The planning document delivers a three category section that heading pre prep, prep and post vent foam drain cleaner, body wipes, tarps. Holy. This is just unbelievable. This is. This is photo films. Wash body inside in all cavities. Holy. Remove trace DNA. Remove ID marks tattoos. Remove head and hands. So the post event. Let's take a look at that. Destroy file. Change tires. Right. He's worried about leaving tire tracks. Jesus. Burn gloves. Dispose of pics. Have story set. Next time recon dumpster locations. Misleaders. What could mislead in the investigation. What problems. In any investigation, there's always that moment when the Rubicon is crossed. When what was once imagined becomes reality. You know, unfortunately, the family members are going to hear what happened. So it's. It's really just really tragic. This is a deviant evil person. He was thorough in his attempt to hide the murders he was committing. This is a thorough serial killer. He had it all planned. He had it prepared. Rex had planned everything step by step by step. He had his whole methodology on what he did. Thinking of every contingency. Fingerprints in gloves. He remembered that about fingerprints being inside gloves of every detail. Wipes and towels. No wonder he lasted over 30 years. Yeah. Why did Rex allegedly get away with so much for so long? Because as we were about to find out, this is the stuff what nightmares are made of. That was the plan from the start.
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Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer is a production of Tenderfoot TV and I Heart Podcasts. Hosted, written and executive produced by me, Josh Zieman. Produced and written by Kaitlin Colford. Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay are executive producers on behalf of Tenderfoot tv. Matt Frederick and Trevor Young are executive producers on behalf of Iheart Podcasts. Original music by Alex Lysarenko, David Little and makeup and vanity set. Our supervising producer is John Street. Editing and writing by Daniel Lonsberry. Additional voiceover provided by Rachel Mills. Additional production provided by Ghost Robots Sound design, Mix and master by Dayton Cole Cover Design by Byron McCoy Interns Arnetta Fontenot, Shelby Hansen, Alec Walker and Fox Williams A and e Television Networks, LLC Audio from the Killing Season used under license Copyright 2025 A&E Television Networks, LLC. All rights resources preserved Special thanks to the team at United Talent Agency, the Nord Group, Brad Abramson, Todd Leibowitz, Rich Perillo and Jigsaw Productions, Rachel Mills, Zachary Mortensen, Jen Beagle, David Baker, Joe Jacqueline and Evan Krause, as well as the teams at iHeart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. Find us on social media at Monster Under.
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For more podcasts like Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, search Tenderfoot TV in your podcast app or visit Tenderfoot tv. And if you want to keep following my hunt for the Long Island Serial Killer for a deeper dive into my other true crime content, join me on YouTube at Sinister with Josh Zieman.
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