EP 72 - OutDaughtered Update: Why the Quints Are Switching to Homeschool Co-Op

Summary

More Than Reality with Adam and Danielle – Episode 72 Summary

Episode Title: OutDaughtered Update: Why the Quints Are Switching to Homeschool Co-Op
Release Date: February 26, 2026
Hosts: Adam and Danielle Busby
Total Runtime: ~59 minutes

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Overview

In this heartfelt and candid episode, Adam and Danielle Busby offer listeners an inside look at a pivotal family decision: the transition of their quintuplets from public school to a homeschool co-op for sixth grade. The Busbys reflect on their thought process, past schooling experiences (including those with their oldest daughter Blake), and their hope to make the best educational and developmental choices for their family. The discussion covers unique challenges of raising quintuplets, the pros and cons of various schooling types, the impact of learning differences like dyslexia, socialization, and faith-led decision-making.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Decision to Homeschool with a Co-Op

• Danielle acknowledges she “never would have thought” they'd choose homeschooling, but circumstances and reflection led them there (00:56).
• The Busbys value the hybrid approach of a co-op: “You have the best of both worlds... at-home learning... but also... a classroom setting” (01:07).
• The driving force: keeping the quintuplets together and addressing their very unique needs as a group of five in the same grade (01:28).

2. House-Hunting, Busy Family Life, and the Need for Flexibility

• The episode opens with a lighthearted story about missing an open house (02:13 – 09:41), illustrating the chaos and schedule-juggling inherent in Busby life.
• Danielle stresses that the flexibility of homeschooling is a practical necessity for their family, which is “a lot more fluid than other people's” due to media, travel, and ongoing projects (51:21).
• “We are not in a hurry to buy a house right now... we just don’t want to compromise on certain things” (09:33).

3. Reflections on Middle School: Personal Experiences

• Adam and Danielle recall their own middle school “shock” – academic, social, and emotional upheaval (14:12 – 21:59).
  • Adam: “Sixth, seventh, and eighth grade are the most tumultuous... kids’ lives” (17:48).
  • Danielle: “I hated middle school. I literally hated middle school. I became super shy and overwhelmed, I think” (20:55).
• They detail the “culture shock” of merging from small elementary schools into larger and often more challenging middle school environments.
• Concerns about exposure to social drama, peer pressure, and mature content in middle school drive their caution.

4. Academic and Social Concerns for the Quints

• The Busbys highlight the diverse learning styles and needs among their five same-age daughters (27:57 – 28:57).
  • “They all learn at a different pace. They all process things differently.”
• Danielle has enjoyed direct involvement in elementary placements but will lose that control in public middle school.
• Experience with hybrid classrooms during COVID, discovering learning disabilities like dyslexia, and how those needs are (or aren’t) addressed in both public and homeschool environments.

5. Dyslexia and Learning Support

• Danielle becomes passionate when discussing dyslexia: “There’s nothing wrong with your kid if they have dyslexia... just provide the tools they need. That’s okay” (41:55).
• Practical advice for parents: request 504 plan support from your local school district, even if homeschooling (44:43).
• “I want to just slap you in the face and tell you, mom, do better. Because there’s nothing wrong with your kid if they have dyslexia...” – Danielle (41:15).

6. Why a Homeschool Co-Op over Traditional Homeschooling

• Co-op solves their biggest worries: socialization, parent overload, and maintaining some classroom structure.
  • “They go twice a week and will be there, you know, maybe like four or five hours” (49:43).
• Avoids drawbacks of public school: “There’s no star tests and state standardized testing and all that, which we can’t stand” (49:54).
• Danielle shares comfort in starting “small”—focusing only on sixth grade, and only first semester for now (50:08).

7. Family Beliefs and Parental Responsibility

• Adam and Danielle openly discuss their desire to protect their children’s innocence amidst rapid changes in school curriculums and societal topics (52:38 – 56:53).
• Danielle: “We will take control of that and we will be parenting that... telling our kids, we’re open with our kids. They ask questions, we answer questions” (53:46).
• Their faith is central to how they approach big decisions: “The Lord called me to this... I know it’s going to be for the good because He placed it on my heart for good” (54:16).

8. Community, Learning, and Reassurance

• Both hosts emphasize the importance of seeking community, learning from others, and not doing life alone.
  • “I have joined so many Facebook groups with homeschooling and I don’t really ever comment much because I’m just taking in knowledge” – Danielle (46:19).
• “There are so many different options these days besides private school, public school. Look out there and really see how can I do best for my kid” (54:40).
• They encourage feedback and shared experiences from listeners, aiming to build stronger supportive connections through their platforms.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Accepting Homeschooling:
  “Once you accept what God’s putting you through and pushing you into… it’s so, like, why was I fighting it when there’s so much peace in the decision?” – Danielle, (31:46)

• On Middle School Transitions:
  “Sixth, seventh, eighth grade are, like, the most tumultuous… just, like, kids’ lives.” – Adam, (17:48)

• On Dyslexia Awareness:
  “I want to just slap you in the face and tell you, mom, do better. Because there’s nothing wrong with your kid if they have dyslexia... it just needs a little bit of a change and that’s okay.” – Danielle, (41:15)

• Faith and Parenting:
  “The Lord called me to this. That came to me from the Holy Spirit… I know it’s going to be for the good because He placed it on my heart for good.” – Danielle, (54:16)

• On Socialization and Stereotypes:
  “It used to be perceived as... you live in a field and you have no life. But... we have a social life, we have friends!” – Danielle, (48:16)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:56 – 01:28: The Busbys introduce the decision to homeschool co-op
• 09:20 – 13:53: House hunting and life transitions
• 14:12 – 21:59: Reflections on personal middle school experiences and concerns for the quints
• 27:57 – 34:43: Detailing their schooling decision-making process and the impact of the girls’ different learning needs
• 41:15 – 44:43: Deep dive into dyslexia, encouragement for other parents, and practical 504 plan advice
• 49:43 – 50:30: Explanation of homeschool co-op structure and transition plan
• 52:38 – 54:16: Discussion of parental control, faith, and approach to heavy societal topics in education
• 56:53 – End: The quints’ own wishes about staying together and final thoughts

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Final Thoughts

Adam and Danielle offer a vulnerable, honest, and deeply practical look into an immense family decision, rooted in faith, love, and their desire to do what’s best for their children. By switching to a homeschool co-op, they hope to preserve the quints’ unique bond, tailor educational needs, and retain flexibility for their family’s ever-changing reality. The episode is rich in lived experience, actionable advice, and genuine empathy for parents facing similar crossroads.

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For More Information or to Share Advice:
The Busbys are actively seeking feedback and discussion from other parents about homeschooling, co-ops, and specialized learning support. Connect with them via podcast feedback channels or Danielle's “Heart of Her” social pages as this journey unfolds.

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you that we would have ever homeschooled our kids, but here we are accepting that in sixth grade the quints will start with a co op home school. And we decided on co. Op.

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That's why we leaned a little bit more to like a homeschool co op is because you have like the best of both worlds. You have at home learning where they can learn at their own pace, but also like you can select certain subjects where they actually go to a teacher. A teacher. And it's in more of a classroom setting so they do interact with other students and other kids at their age.

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We've got five we we did talk about do we think all of them would do this? Do we think some of them go to public school and some of them don't? But when it came down to the conversations with the quints, they all wanted to stay together and they all wanted to do the co op topic of today, public, private or homeschool. Here's where we're at with quintuplets.

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This is More Than Reality podcast where we dive into all things faith, family and marriage and share that there is so much more than the reality that you see on the surface. Welcome to More Than Reality with Adam and Danielle Busby.

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What's up guys? This is episode I don't know, I

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just messed up my notes. Oh, there it is.

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This is episode 72 of More Than Reality podcast.

[A]

Yes, yes. We are here and we're filming on a Sunday, which I love because I'm like, Adam, can we go film a podcast? Because I'm dressed for church and I'm dressed. So let's just go film today. I think we might need to start doing this, but it's kind of hard on Sunday.

[B]

It depends on what's going on the

[A]

day, because usually, yeah, but sometimes we

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go to, like, we go out to dinner after church, and then we have. Sometimes we'll go to, like, friend's house for the afternoon or something. And so you just never know what's happening.

[A]

So we got home today a little bit later, and the kids just want to play with their friends who are like, okay, perfect. Now let's just go film since they're gonna play with their friends before. We have other things to do this evening. A busy Sunday. Adam's had a lot of fun doing some house browsing. I don't know why you don't like it.

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If you follow us on social media and you saw our. My Instagram reel from what, yesterday?

[A]

That was a real. I thought it was just in your story. Oh, that was going to stay up a long time then.

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Yeah. So I'm up in my office trying to work on a video project and tell the story. Danielle, text me. She's like, hey, look at this house.

[A]

No, let's go back and read the text because you're going to say things you didn't say.

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And so I look at this house. She sends me a link to this house. I'm like, looks. I mean, it looks like a cool house. There was like a whole.

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Do you want to go look at this house? It's open house till three. I'm gonna go browse it if you want to come. When? And I said, and then I saw you downstairs. I said, then I take. You said, are you coming?

[B]

Because no, you said, are you come. You did not say, are you coming?

[A]

I'm telling you, my fingers and the iPhone do not. Like, I cannot type. And then I have these nails.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

And I really can't type.

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I'm not even going to call you out on that. But now that you fixed your spelling.

[A]

Okay, okay.

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On the podcast, I'm going to call you out on it.

[A]

So you did not give me any

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feedback, except when I thought you, like, reached out to somebody and, like, you just scheduled something.

[A]

House. Open house.

[B]

Yeah, but sometimes you say open house whenever. It's just like, we're going to look at a house, it's open. And so I didn't really think anything of it, but I clicked on the link and I looked at it, and I saw there was, like, a date on the pod on the website that said there's an open house on Sunday.

[A]

By the way, this was on my calendar to go look at it on Saturday, because I saw that it was having an open house, and it had four full bathrooms. And that is a requirement for the next house, is that it's got to have four tubs. At least four tubs. And so it had four bathrooms. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna go look. It has open house put on my calendar for Saturday. And then two o' clock comes around. I'm like, oh, my gosh, it's still three. I need to get life together and need to get there quick.

[B]

That's when I texted Adam, said, so Hazel and Blake was already in the car. And then I walked out, and I just jumped in the back seat. And then we get all the way over to this house, and there's, like, no cars there. There's no sign out front. Usually there's a.

[A]

There's a for sale sign for an

[B]

open house or whatever. And so.

[A]

And at this time, we get out of the car minutes before it's 10 to 3. So we're literally about to be over.

[B]

There's just, like, one truck in the driveway. We walk all the way up to the front door, and Daniel knocks on the door, and, like, nobody's coming. And I'm like, you would think, like, a real estate agent would, like, be waiting out front or something. And I'm like, babe. And then you said. Said again, like, open house. And, like, there's no people out here. Like, that open house was tomorrow.

[A]

I said. I said, it's probably. Because it's literally about to end. It's probably over already. And the realtor already took the stuff out the yard because. Because maybe it was. No one was here. And so she just took the stuff out because it's about to be over. So I knock on the door. No one comes out. And then I pull it up.

[B]

But, you know, like, we live in the age of. Everybody has, like, a ring cam.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so we're all just standing in front.

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Listen to this. Or if they even know who we are.

[B]

I mean, I don't know, but that would be funny. Like, babe. So we, like, hurry up and go get back in the car.

[A]

And. And then he's like, it's that. No. He's like, I hate. Like, he knew this the whole time.

[B]

I hate just driving around looking at houses.

[A]

He said that the open house is tomorrow. I Thought you had, like, an appointment or something. I said, no, it's open house. That's why we came. And then I pull up my phone, I'm like, oh, it's tomorrow.

[B]

And then we proceed to drive around for another two and a half, three hours, just driving around neighborhoods. You got Sonic this. I'm about to. I'm about to call an Uber.

[A]

Don't say it like you were not enjoying. You got to see. You got to find joy in all things. And you were having so much joy

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in the back with Hazel until she fell asleep. And then I'm just back in the back seat, just along for the ride.

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Yeah. But I tell them, like, if you don't come look in a house with me, then if it does work out, then I have to come back. Which we probably would go back anyway, but it had four tubs. And so I was like, let's go look. But so we ended up doing that today after church because the actual open house was.

[B]

Yeah. So we actually got to go. Actually walk through the house today. And I mean, the house was cool. I mean, it was like. It was. I think it was pretty much built, like, the same time as, like, our last house. And so it was like that same style. And they upgraded. Yeah, but they. But they did up. Do some updates. We looked at. We went and looked at one house yesterday, and it was, like, about the same time frame. And not a single update have been done to this house since it was built in, like, the last 25 years.

[A]

And not that even had to be an update. It just needed.

[B]

It was rough.

[A]

Fresh paint or something.

[B]

It was. Right.

[A]

But that one was deceiving because it said four full baths. And then you get there, and it wasn't.

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I was like, they counted it. How did you just say two full bathrooms?

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And it was on the pamphlet. It was on that. Like, all the printable things. I'm like, they should be clear. I would not even waste my time on that.

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And then so, I mean, we went and looked at the house today, and, yeah, it was a cool house. It has, like, an apartment above the garage, which would be like a podcast studio. Really. But that's where one of the bathroom. One of the full bathrooms was. There's, like, a whole kitchen, and it's kind of like a little bathroom. Yeah, it was like a full apartment, like, studio apartment up there. And. Which was cool, but also, like, man, we wish that bathroom would be in the house rather than up above the garage, which it's usable. I mean, like, kids want. Kids want to use it. They can go run and use that bathroom.

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Go run to the garage, take a shower for tonight. I mean, it's possible, but it's usable. We're not in dire need of finding the perfect house right now, but, yeah, we are looking at all the options

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and stuff, so it's worth looking at stuff right now. Like, we're not in a hurry to. Yeah, we're not in a hurry to buy a house right now, so we

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just don't want to compromise on certain. A list of, like, maybe three or four things. And.

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Yeah. Yeah, if we're gonna buy. If we're gonna buy a house, it, like, has to have these things.

[A]

Yeah.

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Like, we can make a few compromises here and there on certain things, but it's gotta have, you know, four bathrooms.

[A]

And what's funny is that, like, when the girls are with us, they. They think that they have the. Like, they'll be like, I don't like the yard. I don't want this house. Or, oh, no, it needs. I don't. I don't like how that room was. Or it. Like, they will be particular. We are, too. But they will get.

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They care about the things that they care about.

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Yeah, they will get so honed in on. Like, ma, I don't. Like, we're not getting this house. We're not getting this house. I'm like, but you're not the ones buying it. You know, we're. We're looking at location. We're looking at, like, how does this work for the next five to 10 years?

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And Blake even has, like, the. The real estate app or whatever on her.

[A]

Oh, yeah, she's.

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And so she's looking at houses and stuff, and she's like, oh, this house. Yeah, that house looks great, but it's in the next town over, and you would have to change schools again.

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And she's like, oh, my bad. So just stop. Yeah, I love hearing their. Their feedback and stuff. But it's funny when they get really, like, one house that we just loved.

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Yesterday we were at the house, and they're like, oh, they have a dog. Doesn't matter. It's not with. This dog does not come with the house.

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It doesn't stay with the house.

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Like, we've never. We've never had a great Dane before. Like, we're not getting a great thing.

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Yeah.

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Horse poop in the backyard, which they saw.

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But, yeah. So that's just an ongoing topic that we've just kind of, you know, real life live in. And on the adventure of searching for where God's going to place us next. And if we stay here in this house longer or, you know, what that's going to look like. But we're just. We look whenever it's right.

[B]

But yeah, we did share like some stuff on social media yesterday throughout the house search and.

[A]

Is that water?

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It's clear.

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I didn't know if there was like electrolyte. I didn't know if there's like electrolytes or something in it. I just want it just water. I'll take the lid off so I don't get my lip gloss on.

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So. But it did arouse a bunch of questions from people, like, on social media, like, oh, you are looking for a house again. Like, man, I thought we've covered this.

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How dare you move those kids again?

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I'm like, thought we've covered this. Like, we had to go ahead and just pull the trigger. So the girls would move before the school year started so they'd get settled in their new schools. And the house that we're in right now, the house we're filming in right now is just a temporary, like rental property. And so we still have to find the right house. And I don't know, it's just selective hearing or I don't know what's going on here, but.

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Or they don't follow both or something, you know.

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Yeah. I mean, you guys that listen to the podcast obviously, like hear a lot more and in depth on like our thought process with what's going on in our life, which we are grateful that, like, you guys are keeping up with everything. But it's just the people that kind of just casually watch on social media and then, you know, I mean, naturally, like people that you follow on social media, you might see, you know, a real or a story every now and then, and then, you know, they may get lost in the algorithm or whatever and you don't see stuff for months. And so, you know, having to address those people that just may just catch snippets here and there.

[A]

But yeah, so what we were going to approach and talk about the podcast today, which I thought we had kind of already really talked about it, but I guess we haven't.

[B]

So we've just talked about, like processing. We think we're, we think we may be doing this or we're thinking about it or. Yeah, it was really just like very high level, like early stages of like thinking through it of are we going to put our kids in or the quint in homeschool next year.

[A]

Yeah. So topic of today Public, private, or homeschool. Here's where we're at with quintuplets. You know, we don't have it all figured out.

[B]

Blake will still go to her high school.

[A]

Yeah, we're not, we're not going to

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take Blake out of school.

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And, and I guess that's part of the conversation today is that we have a 14 year old and then five 10 year olds. We have experience. You know, a kid going into middle school before that was Blake. And now we have five 10 year olds who will be going into middle school. Five of them. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. ABCDE. Like, all at the same time, right into one grade. So if I had to go back to middle school. If you had to go back to middle school, like, what, what stresses you out more? Like the schoolwork or the drama, like the environment? Like what, what do you remember about middle school? Let's just talk about sixth grade.

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I remember very little about middle school, honestly. I mean, honestly, the things that stick out the most in middle school is, you know, whenever you go from fifth grade to sixth grade, you're like, you know, and they like push all the kids towards like band, at least in the town that I lived in, in Louisiana.

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Well, that's what we talked about today. It's either band, choir or.

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Yeah, they try to push you into something. And I mean, the school that we went to had like a really big band program. And so like, oh, I'm gonna play the trumpet. And like, what, what am I ever gonna do? Were you ever in band? Yeah. And sixth and seventh grade, I was. I. I played the trumpet and I called.

[A]

How did I not know that?

[B]

I probably just caused more problems.

[A]

I bet you did. You're like purposely blowing off tune or

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like, like open up the spit valve and blowing it on my friend's shoes and just causing a ruckus and band class. But it was either that or just like home EC or like, just like weird electives that I didn't really care to do.

[A]

Yeah.

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But then, I mean, honestly, the one thing that sticks out in my mind the most, it was like band gym and then just like all the fights. I feel like the biggest fight I

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saw a lot of fights I've ever

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seen because I remember one girl pulling

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one girl's hair out. Like she pulled her weave off of her head.

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Probably one of the most violent fights I've ever watched that like, lasted for like the longest time was in middle school. And, you know, it's just like one of those things of, you know, typically, you know, you have, like, smaller elementary schools all around town. And then whenever you get to middle school, all of the elementary schools around town, like, converge on one high school. I mean, one middle school. And it actually happens again in high school. But. And so you have this, like, weird mix of, like, kids that you don't know and, like, clicks from one school that are like, you know, it's just like that rivalry in that, like, I don't know these kids. And it's like almost like this, like.

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Yeah.

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Lord of the Flies type thing where you all converge on this one school and it's just like this clash of, like, popularity.

[A]

Yeah. There's. It's in. But it's such a huge, like, sixth grade is such a huge change of.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, so much. And emotionally and, like, your body and like, you're just trying to, like, in middle school, you're trying to figure out who you are and, like. And your body's changing so much. And then you have, like, you know, boys, like, the rush of, like, testosterone and stuff is starting to, like, affect, like, you know, the way that youth.

[A]

Just hormones in general forever.

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Yeah. Or hormones with girls, too. And, you know, so you have, like, all these crazy things at play. And. And it's so, you know, I feel like the middle school year, sixth, seventh, and eighth grade are, like, the most, like, tumultuous and, you know, you know, just like, kids lives.

[A]

Yeah. And. Yeah.

[B]

And it's just like when kids just are just trying to figure out who they are. And like, you know, that's whenever kids get, like, the most catty and just mean and it's just. Yeah. Different. So. And then in eighth grade, like, my parents pulled us out of school and we. I went to a private school in eighth grade, and that was. I've hit on it a little bit in the podcast because that was like, eighth grade year, like, going to a private school. And, you know, it's a much smaller school. But I felt like, you know, the people that ran the school were great, but it was just, you know, whenever it's a private school, it's like a lot of the kids that go there that it's like a very big divide of, like, very highly religious families that just have been in private school their whole life. And then on the other side of it, it's kids that got expelled from public school, and then they had no other choice, so their parents sent them to a private school. And. And so it's like the worst of the worst kids. And then, like, you know, the goody two Shoes. Best. The best. And then that was like a weird dynamic. And then I was in sports and stuff and played on the basketball team and all this stuff. And. And typically, the kids that played on the basketball team are, you know, the wilder kids. And it's usually like a lot of the kids that got expelled from public school or playing the sports in that

[A]

school in that situation. It was.

[B]

So that's whenever, like, I kind of went. Veered off in a bad direction.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Gotten in probably the most. Most trouble I've ever been in was in. In eighth grade. I mean. But that's. That's really my experience from middle school. I mean, what was your middle school like? We didn't. We grew up in. We grew up in towns like, 20, 30 minutes apart.

[A]

Yeah. So we didn't know each other then. They go to the same school. But I mean, I came from a little bitty magnet school with. In fifth grade, there was 50 people to then middle school, sixth grade, with what, 500, 400 kids. So it was very much of a life, like, a shock. And we knew everybody in the school and all your. Everybody around you. And then, you know, when you get to that middle school, like, some people are zoned to a different school or in that situation. You know, in this town, it's just one middle school, which we love. We love that. But I. I hated middle school. I literally hated middle school. I, like, became, like, super, like, shy and, like, overwhelmed, I think.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, that was a big shock.

[A]

And the. And, you know, we didn't grow up on, like, a. Like in the city where there was always kids on the street or like, whatever. And so I didn't really have that. Like, when we went to middle school, there may have been, like, I don't know, besides Emily, like, I think that was the only person I knew going to the same middle school as me who was, you know, like a sister. Growing up, when you're not placed in the same classroom, the classes at the same time, like, you know, you have seven different teachers, you move from classroom to classroom. It just. I hated it because I didn't know anybody. I was super shy. I was very much like, I remember, like, still kind of like, oh, that boy's cute. But I would never talk to him, you know, like, that was me in sixth grade. And now it's like, you look at these days now and it's like, holy moly. But even then, I remember just sixth grade being so much more mature, in a sense, than I was. And I didn't feel like I still to this day don't feel like sixth grade needs kids need to be that mature. Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like now, and now

[A]

it's even worse, you know, with like

[B]

social media and all that kind of stuff. It's just like, you never know, like, the other kids that are going there and like their upbringing and what their parents allow them. And so, like, they're exposed to a lot of stuff. They're like high schoolers and beyond are exposed to. And so I feel like that, that growing up stage is kind of like robbed kids nowadays, especially in those adolescent years of, you know, they just grow up so fast because they're exposed to so much more.

[A]

And I mean, it's, it's, you know, we're just like in a season where we have to make like big school decision and it's, it's not simple when you, when you are thinking of quintuplets and, you know, I, I guess what we're going to try to do now to, on this podcast is kind of break down like a little bit of like our thought process and decisions around it. I mean, when we move to this town and there's only one middle school that was very like, exciting to us. Like, it's just one. There's no, like this rivalry competition. And then there's one high school, which we love that. And, you know, we've haven't had like a problem with public school experience. Like, our kids have been okay. They haven't been around things. Have they heard or learned things possibly. I mean, like, all kids are going to do it in some aspect when you're around a ton of kid kids your age, you know, but in our sense, it's not just one kid at this point. We did this with Blake and it was a learning curve for us to like, kind of learn like all the ups and downs that you go through in that adolescent, like puberty, friendships, like a different pace of school, more like the responsibility of all that. And there's. There is a lot of, a lot of things that are good that can come from it, but there's a lot of other things that we feel that the quints are just not there yet. They're not mature enough yet.

[B]

And, and it's like, I feel like the quints are a lot more sheltered and also they're.

[A]

But they're not sheltered kids.

[B]

They're not sheltered kids. I mean, they're very much so. Like, we travel a lot and they get to see a lot of things and meet a lot of people, social life.

[A]

We've got tons of friends, are always

[B]

with people, but whenever it comes to their shelter, when it comes to, like, social media and stuff like that.

[A]

Yeah, they don't have.

[B]

So they don't understand necessarily that world. Even though, like, our family's all over social media and that's, like, kind of a thing, too. They go into a new situation, and people know they're known, and they.

[A]

They kind of understand that more. Like, yeah, people will know me, but I don't know them, you know? And so we've kind of experienced a little bit of that, like, whenever we

[B]

go and visit, whenever we go there for, like, their parties and stuff like that. Like, all the other kids know who we are.

[A]

Yeah. And all the kids are so excited to see mom and dad at the school because y' all are on YouTube or our TV, you know, but the girls then just become their class peers and their friends, and, you know, they're just normal kids. But when, I guess when they see us walk in, all their little classroom kids are like, oh, you know, it's

[B]

like, oh, the boys are running up to me and stuff and, like, wanting to high five me. And.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's. It's different for sure.

[A]

So our decisions for why. Our decisions for why we even were processing homeschool were not something that just I wanted to do or Adam and I wanted to do, or it was something that we were like, this is what we want to do with them whenever they are this age or whatever. Like, it did not work like that, like, at all. And I think as the quints have gotten older, when you have quintuplets, they were, like, extreme preemie babies born at 28 weeks and two days. And they have been. We have been super blessed by, like, the healthiness of our kids and just, like, haven't had a lot of trials with what the world would have told us that we would have with having babies and having quintuplets born that early and all the deficiencies and defectivenesses and all the things that were supposed to go wrong. We have been very blessed. And God has, like, proven he's more than through all those things. And when it comes to the academics, like, that's kind of where, like, the struggle of quintuplets that we've been, like, struggling with is, like, the academic side of things. And, you know, they. It kind of, like, started out wrong in the beginning because they were Covid kindergarten baby kids, you know, and so they were already, like, this hard level of, like, you know, kids coming in back into School face to face. And, like, after Covid and all that thing. So there was always. The peers were always kind of, like, a little bit behind, in a sense. But we have five kids, same age, same grade, and they have always been in two different classrooms. They've always been two and three. And they're all different. They all, like, learn on a different pace. They all process things differently. They all struggle with different things academically. And being in elementary school, I have had a lot easier time as mom of quintuplets being able to be involved with placement of how I want the twins in the. The twins and triplets. Like, that's kind of how I just even.

[B]

They're not.

[A]

Even though they're not. But we would put. Even though it wasn't even even a little bit. It was like just 2 and 3, 2 and 3, 2 and 3. And. And I've always been able to know these teachers, and because it's always been two, I've always had two teachers, and that's been it. But there's been this kind of, like, anxiousness that has rolled in once fifth grade started. Like, this is the last year that I have, like, kind of, like this protective kind of, like, layer of, like, helping them within this school when they get to sixth grade. There's no more of, like, in public school. There's no more of the, like, hey, y' all will all have the same math teacher. Yeah, y' all will all have the same English teacher. You'll all have the same science teacher. And I can't guarantee that y' all will even have a class together. And, like, there. I think there are some things that I could work with and into to, like, make that happen with the principal and the school district and stuff. But it's just the start of what we feel as parents they are not ready for. And what has really solidified, like, the decision of, yes, now we are officially doing a co op homeschool for next year for sixth grade. So it's out there. It's. We've official, officially, officially, officially decided as a family with the Quinte, like, opinions and everything that they want to do the co op homeschool. And, you know, it's a. It's a lot to process. It's a lot of change of life. It's a lot of change of pace for me. It's a lot of different role, I guess, as, you know, being mom to kind of like, mom teacher. Even though, as a mom, we're constantly teaching throughout our whole day because they're always watching they're always listening. We're always, you know, like, encouraging and teaching them just regardless, you know. So it's not a big. It has not been a big decision. But when this all started, when was about a year ago before we moved, before all these things, like the Lord had just really put on my heart, when it really started was, we're going to move and you're going to homeschool. And I, like, I, I'm. I'm a fighter. I like to fight when I don't agree or don't like to. Don't agree. Right. Fuzz. I don't like what you tell me, and I want to, like, discuss it and go back and forth and, like, conversate about it. And so I did that a while with, like, my prayers and, like, talking to God. Like, I don't, I don't want to do this. Like, I don't feel like it's going to be fit. I don't feel like it's, it's, it's me. I feel like in the. The thing is, is that I feel like deep down inside of me, I'm going to be good at it. And I, and I, and I know I can do it with the Lord's help, because my human self says, I don't want to do this. I'm going to be trapped up in this little house. I'm going to be trapped up in this room. They're not going to want to listen to me. How am I going to be able to do this? Times five have, like, all the weight of, like, all the nos, all the negatives, all, like, those fears kind of like, really roll in and. But then I get the other side of it. Like, there's so much beauty in the other side of it, you know? Like, I feel like even today, like, after church, I just had this more like, aha. Like, yes, this is what, like, even just like after the weekend, like, just like a different view of, like, trying to view life differently. And sometimes we view life the way we want it. And the Lord says, no, I'm gonna tell you what this is going to be like and I need you to follow me. And so I have accepted the fact that we will be doing, like, co op, homeschool, and we'll discuss a little bit of the difference between co op and then just real homeschool. And so it's kind of like anyone who suffers with any kind of, like, struggle, like, once you accept what you're struggling with, the other side of that, yes, is so different. And if you could just accept what God's putting you through and pushing you into. Once you accept it, it's so, like, why were we. Why was I fighting it for. So, like, why was I fighting it when there's so much, like, peace in the decision making? When I allowed myself to accept it, I still struggle with the fact that I'm going to do this, but it feels right. It just feels right. And, you know, Adam and I have kind of talked, like, why don't you give your perspective on, like, what. How you. Like we've talked, like, how do you think this is going to be? Like, what. What is your fears around this? What is hard? What is going to be hard about this? And, you know, it's not like Adam working dad. Like, it's not like he's going to be sitting at home with us. And it probably will be extra challenging because you will be at home. But I won't be, like, I won't be utilizing your tools and gifts to be helping me, in a sense, teach, because more than likely you're working, you know, and I'm sure there's going to be times where you can. And you might want to or whatnot. Like, field trip day.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, and that's. That's. That's a little bit of my concern, too, is, like, you know, typically on days whenever I do come home and I'm not, like, at good ranchers or, like, working for another client, you know, and I do come home, and I'm just like, I'm in my office. I'm locked in. I'm working while the kids are at school. But now, I mean, it's like, in a sense, like, every day is like summer, in a sense, because they're just here all day long and, you know, and they're, like, free just to, like, walk into my. Which is fine. But, you know, that's. Whenever I'm working, that's like, my work time. This is like, this is my work day. And, you know, then now we have five kids that are here the whole day. And so, I mean, it's going to be a little bit of a disruption, little bit of just trying to figure out, like, how that is going to work, how the schedule is going to kind of work. And. But then the other side of it is just like. I mean, yes, we got a little bit of a taste of it during COVID which obviously the quints were three years old. A lot different because they were, like, in preschool and.

[A]

Or four years old.

[B]

Yeah, they're. They're like Kindergarten age.

[A]

Oh yeah, four. And so yeah, they had just, they were about to turn five.

[B]

And that's why we ultimately left them into, in private school that additional year. Which hindsight wish we wouldn't have but you know, because home school, I mean public school was like dealing with like Covid and like all the restrictions and in home learning and sending kids home with like laptops and stuff and they had to be logged in certain, certain number of hours all day on a laptop. And we're like, man, I can't even imagine because like Blake comes home with a laptop from school and she's always having like technical issues and, and it's

[A]

hard to deal with just imagine.

[B]

But just imagine 5 times 5, 5 year olds having to keep them logged in on a laptop.

[A]

This was not gonna happen.

[B]

I mean we would need full time tech support and, and they can't even read or know how to use a computer yet. And so I mean it was just. You're having, you would have to hover over them all day. So we just kept them in private school one additional year and which caused some more challenges. But you know, so I, I immediately just like think of that and like oh, that was a rough.

[A]

Yeah. But the thing with the thing, why I think I had never done it before, like any type of homeschool was because of that one was always working and doing other things too. But I did not feel that it was right that, that in the stress in the adjustment of life and like just trying to raise them to breathe every day was I don't think the load of what we were carrying. I could, I could have added that on top the fact that they can read now we've discovered some dyslexia. We've, we've, we've worked through tools in the public school, had that we were in school district, had great, has had great tools to be able to help in the classroom for the ones that need the extra assistance. Some of the girls do get like internal like assistance with certain like things in school, in the classroom and pulled out for certain things for assistance with whatever. That has been a big concern of mine too with how does that work within homeschool? How do I, how do I help with the extra needs of the extra needs?

[B]

Because you're not necessarily equipped or trained to teach a kid with dyslexia and you barely understand what it fully is, much less being able to teach a kid.

[A]

Yeah, but now, you know, we're fifth grade. We discovered a lot of those struggles in third grade. Work through it through fourth grade, we've got tools. We know how to read. We know how. Like, so I didn't have to teach that level. Like, I've. They've had great assistance and help through their public school to be able to equip them. And that's kind of always been the goal was to help them walk through that. So by the time they do get to sixth grade, they can learn how to do this independently. Now, not to say that they can't do that or it wouldn't be okay in public school, as their parents, we still feel, and as conversations with teachers, no one will ever tell your kid that they need to be held back or. Because, you know, there's a lot of things within public school and state regulation, things that like, how dare any thing not go forward or not go good or so, like, when it comes to testing and all things, like, I've learned that none of that to me and to us, has ever really mattered for the fact of how the quints are learning how to do school because they are so different. Meaning we, as a parent of five in one classroom, we've talked about this a lot about, like, different personalities and stuff, but we also see five different struggles within the same. The same classroom. So when one parent has that at home with one child versus us with the five, it's a very hard thing to do at home because it's still a classroom at home when they come home with work and they come home with certain, you know, things that they must do.

[B]

But then I also think about. About it with, you know, they're, you, you know, you hear other people talk about, like, homeschool and like, what a. What a day looks like. Homeschool. And, you know, in a kid in public school, you know, they're there for seven plus hours. And, you know, a lot of homeschool families are able to get, like, all their work done for the homeschool day in a matter of like, three.

[A]

Yeah. And so I can't promise that I'll get that done, babe. But it.

[B]

But it allows them to, like, kind of learn at their own pace, and it gives the extra time buffer of for them to actually, like, okay, if they need some additional assistance and help or whatever, you have that additional time in the day rather than, oh, now we got to go to PE or we got to go to recess or we got to go do this. And, you know, that's not necessarily learning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And so, you know, you have that extra leeway. You have that extra time to, to be able to Focus on, you know, your kids and what they individually need.

[A]

Yeah. I know that there's a lot of parents that could relate to this, so I'm gonna share this. But talking about dyslexia and when you've got kids who have dyslexia, one, there's nothing wrong with them. It's just the way God made them. It's just the way that their brains work. I tell our kids we've never talked about it in a negative way. We just say it's like she speaks a different language when she wants to read and how she's learned to do it. She just sees it differently. Just like, if you were learning Latin, like, and you picked it up versus she did it. It's just the way she was molded, and there's nothing wrong with that. And I think dyslexia is a very high percentage rate in a lot of kids. And parents are ashamed of it, and they're like. Like, embarrassed. So the kids get embarrassed because of the fact that they need assistance in school. And I want to just slap you in the face and tell you, mom, do better. Because there's nothing wrong with your kid if they have dyslexia. It's just them, the tools to help them learn to read. Just like you would provide tools to help your other kids learn how to read. It just needs a little bit of a change, and that's okay. That's okay. I know there's different forms and different levels of dyslexia. I think there's five. But do not make it seem outside of the norm, because I bet. Because I actually do think Dyslexia is, like, 1 in 5 kids or 1 in 4 kids. It is super, super common. So moms, step up, support your kids, and provide the tools they need. And if they have to have assistance in the classroom, make something good of it. Make something good.

[B]

It's just like, the fact of, like, bringing shame to it, in a sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And. Or being afraid to talk about it. Being afraid that other people might find out. Like, it's like, your kids retarded.

[A]

You can't say that word.

[B]

I feel like you can't say retarded.

[A]

I would say that word.

[B]

I've been hearing a lot lately.

[A]

Okay, I'm sorry, but go on.

[B]

We say retarded.

[A]

Don't say it again. I don't know why, but, I mean,

[B]

I grew up in the 80s and 90s. We called each other retards. I know, but.

[A]

And it wasn't wrong anymore.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

Anyway,

[B]

But, I mean, that's what it's like, almost like what it's viewed as to some people when it's just like, no, you just need a different technique to learn how to read or. Or, you know, some additional tools to. To learn something. But it's not like, you know, like a crazy, like, mental disability. And that's what a lot of people, like, put on it. That. That's what this is. And so they don't. Oh, I don't want anybody to know about it.

[A]

I mean, if I'm honest, it's like

[B]

this scarlet letter like, you carry. And, man, I don't know. Especially since, you know, we. We found out about it with, like, Ava and, you know, so. And we've been open and vocal about it and not, like, hit it. Like, so many people has reached out to us, and you just realize, like, how many.

[A]

Five children.

[B]

How many people actually have it? And you're like, wow. But nobody really talks about it that much. It's like, everybody's, like, ashamed of it. And you don't need to be ashamed of it.

[A]

Yeah. Also, whenever you do have children or a kid with dyslexia and they get support within the classroom or within the school district, that means they go on a 504 plan. And moms dads out there. There's nothing wrong with that. How would you. How. How do you not want to provide help when you've discovered that your child needs help? I don't understand. Because it has. It has some papers you got to fill out. It has a title. It doesn't matter. This is your child you're talking about. You're raising them to do life and to be able to do life on their own one day. So if this is what they need, help them. Okay. And. Sorry, I'm just getting sassy and I'm getting hot because there's so many moms that come up to me and that I know that I never even knew that their kids had dyslexia. And I'm like, why. Why are you.

[B]

Why have you never.

[A]

Why is this hard? Like, it's. There's nothing wrong with it, you know, and so I'll move on. I will say that.

[B]

But if you are one of those things where. Especially if you're going to homeschool, like, you just need to understand, like, the tools behind it and the foundation to be able to, like, let them thrive.

[A]

Yeah. And so we've. We have two of the girls that are on 504 plan, which means that they get provided extra assistance in the classroom and outside of the classroom, both very different things, whatever. So coming out of a public school district and going into some type of like co op homeschool, I lose that. And that was a big factor in like, okay, am I doing wrong by taking that away from them because I, they won't have those extra needs in the classroom. So I've done some research and whatnot and actually would share with you guys that you guys, you ladies and moms and dads, if you actually have that and this is something that you're thinking of and you have children that are on a 504 plan, email your district and whoever leads up, like your special education area. And some districts allow you, I don't know, the approval and like all those things. But some districts do allow you to still have those needs given certain circumstances and situations where if you're choosing to homeschool, you can, they can still offer those needs. You just go to the school for them during school hours. And so I don't know if y' all know about that. That was eye opening to me. I looked into that. And so I feel like I don't know if it's going to work out for us or whatnot. But what you can do in this school year, which I know I've talked to a lot of moms more so recently jumping from this fifth to sixth grade in it because it's a big life change for your kids, your teens, your pre teens. And there's been some concerns and worries about like how would I do this, how would I do that? And I would just say you, you research, you talk about it. I have joined so many Facebook groups with homeschooling and I don't really ever comment much because I'm just like taking in knowledge. Like what do these moms talk about, how do they do certain things, what are questions that they ask? And they're all questions I would ask. And so it's very informative. Like it goes on along with life. Like don't do life alone. Like surround yourself by people who you can walk life with that are like minded. And I never would have told you that we would have ever homeschooled our kids. But here we are accepting that in sixth grade the quints will start with a co op homeschool. And we decided on co op for I, I think multiple reasons. You know, when you've got public school, you've got private school, you've got homeschool and you've got like this co op homeschool is very Very different. Especially since COVID Especially since COVID showed so many parents how kids can do things better and differently at home. When they were told to have to be in front of a computer for eight hours because that was school for them when it was covet time. It's like, how miserable is that? You know? So homeschool has changed drastically, I think. It's not, you know, it used to be perceived as this, I don't know, like you live in a field and you have no life, but like, what

[B]

do they call it? Fundamentalist parents.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, listen, we have, we have, we have a social life, we

[B]

have friends, we have the system and don't want to.

[A]

So I love the fact that there's a lot of these other homeschool programs that have come up the way that they, you know, I've had to research like all these different. I had no idea there was all these different programs to go. Go through and go by and there's like conferences and like all these things, you know. But we decided to do a co op for the quints one. Yeah, they have, they have social life. We have social life. They're involved in sports outside of school and you know, they're. I'm not worried, we're not worried about their involvement around other children because they've been raised with other children and people and just friends and are their kids and all that.

[B]

So they, they know like tons of social interaction.

[A]

Yeah. So outside of just school, we're not worried about maintaining that because we as the parents feel like we do enough.

[B]

But even so, I mean, that's like, that's why we leaned a little bit more to like a whole, like a homeschool co op is because you have like the best of both worlds. You have, you know, at home learning where they can learn at their own pace, but also like, you can select certain subjects where they actually go to a teacher. A teacher. And it's in more of a classroom setting, so they do interact with other students and other kids at their age and, and stuff like that.

[A]

They'll go twice a week and be there, you know, maybe like four or five hours.

[B]

But it's like less governmental.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Umbrella.

[A]

There's no like star tests and state standardized testing and all that, which we can't stand. That I told their tissue.

[B]

The, the teachers don't even like it. It's just.

[A]

We were talking, I was like, y',

[B]

all about like funding for the school.

[A]

Three huge tests this month. That's just absurd. Like, it's Absurd. And so anyway, so we will do the co op one. It gives a transition for us to be able to adapt to not going to school eight hours a day, but going twice a week, having them getting there, like out of the house. There's around some friends that they'll meet in a classroom setting for their kind of like core subjects. And then it helps me transition into having to do this too. How do I help and how do I transition into this? We're starting small. We're starting. The goal is sixth grade. The goal is semester one of sixth grade and that's that I'm. I'm not looking for the rest of their life. I'm just. This is where we're starting with and I'm not looking that far down the line because that gets overwhelming. Right. And so we are. Have a lot that still has to like, you know, get together and like, how do I actually do all this? But it feels good to finally know that this is what we're going to be stepping into and this is what life is like going to be like for us next.

[B]

And then we also have, I mean, we don't have the most conventional family life and stuff like that. And like, you know, we don't necessarily have a specific 9 to 5.

[A]

Right. Like, we travel a lot, we like to go places.

[B]

I work for like many different companies and, and have different stuff for many different companies. And then we also have like the social media stuff and potentially other television projects later on and like, all this other stuff that like, like our, our home life and our family life is a lot more fluid in a sense than like other people's and we get that. And so, like, you know, we're very much of making, making decisions based off of our own family needs as well. That gives us a little bit more flexibility to like, if I have, you know, a job where, you know, I need a fly here or whatever in this event going on or whatever, like, I could take them with me if I wanted to and stuff like that. And you know, it just allows us to be a little bit more close as a family instead of just like your kids being tied down seven, eight hours a day and there's just that disconnect.

[A]

Yeah. So, you know, this is our experience with trying to raise quintuplets. We've have done this with our older daughter and we've learned from that. You know, I think also too just to throw out there, there is a part of us being parents to the quints that, you know, we do still want to protect. That innocence of what I learned was going on in middle school, because of public school, with. Ever since things change drastically in the world about transgender and, you know, kids rights and parents not having to say over certain things and which, I mean, we're.

[B]

We are in Texas, and we are also in a. In a small, like, suburb town in Texas where things are a lot more conservative here. You know, so we. But there is a lot of stuff that we don't necessarily have to worry about that you hear about in other. Other cities, other larger cities, other other states that, you know, they're taking away, like, all these rights from parents to actually be able to parent their children.

[A]

And I mean, just since. Just since Blake was in sixth grade, which was three, four years ago, four years ago, just seeing what had changed within the school state districts and, and all the things of, like, what was changing for. It's like there's forms coming through that parents need to sign to allow. Allow your kid to hear these conversations. Like, I don't want my kid hearing that from a stranger. We will have those conversations with our kids. And, you know, and then we don't let our. We don't let our kids go into those conversations in a group setting from the school district, blah, blah, blah, because I don't know what you're telling the kids about those certain things when it comes to bathrooms and, and, you know, sex education and like, it's like, we. We will take control of that and we will be. We will be parenting that, you know, and telling our kids, we're open with our kids. They ask questions, we answer questions. Do we continue the question on over and over and over? Like, no. When it's a brand new question on a pretty heavy topic, we answer the question. And if that's all the question leads to, then that's when we stop. And then when it comes up again, we go as far as they allow it to go just to keep. If their minds are wandering, you know, but there are times where we do have to sit down and be like, okay, we're about to go through a season of blah, blah, blah, so let's warn them, prep, prepare them, Bob, you know, those type of things. But I think, you know, I'm no pro at this. I don't know what I'm doing. And it's still scary, it's still overwhelming. But the beauty of all of it is that I know that I don't have to do it alone because the. The Lord called me to this. And that doesn't just come because I say that, that. That came to me from the Holy Spirit of just saying, like. And it's. Was mine. Shocking to me. Like, no, I don't. I don't want to hear that, you know, But I know that it's going to be for the good because he placed it on my heart for good. And that's what God does. Like, he's not going to leave me stranded. I have to maintain a, you know, hold on to him and, like, gonna. Constantly, just like I do every day, need strength, needs courage, needs energy, need. Need some grace, need some, you know, all the things. And so it's going to continue, and I think it will, more than anything, will probably draw me closer to God because I'm going to have to rely on him more to get through a season that I don't feel equipped for. So I think if you're going through these type of decisions too, just pray about it, man. Because even if it's not something that you want to do or you feel like your kid is struggling, and how would you do that? I just think that there's so many different options these days besides private school, public school. So I would just encourage you to look. Look out there and really see how can I do best for my kid. And we've got five. We. We did talk about, do we think all of them would do this? Do we think some of them go to public school and some of them don't. But when it came down to the conversations with the quints, and they all wanted to stay together and they all wanted to do the co op, that was their number one goal. They did not want to go to middle school and not have. Not be able to have each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And which is beautiful in a sense, because it's not going to last. That's not going to last forever. Even though they will have each other forever.

[B]

You know, hold on to that as long as possible.

[A]

Yeah. So, anyways, we hope this was insightful for you guys. We hope that this brings clarity to the craziness, that feedback we get. But also, there's a lot of support that's been coming through about, like, oh, my God, you're doing that. So.

[B]

And especially, like, a lot of parents that listen to our podcast that do homeschool and stuff like that have been, like, reaching out with, like, advice and help and, hey, go look here, and stuff like that. So, I mean, that's all great.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And I am. I'm on a lot of Facebook groups just to get information. I got to learn. I got to learn. So yeah, I've learned that you don't even have to do the same curriculum or the same thing with all your kids. Would it be easier? There's different type of family curriculums. There's different let. Like there is so many different things. And so anyways, I hope to get more knowledgeable on those things and be able to be more vocal about maybe. I'm thinking of like something on the heart of her ministry, like some type of like home mom, women mom thing on that page. So just, you know, glad we got to share our hearts with this and would love your feedback on, you know, how many of y' all are doing homeschool co op. How many of y' all are, you know, have thought about it or thinking about it. What can we advice on? What can we, you know, share with you as we learn? I don't know. So anyways, time to get the kids and get the evening started.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Love you guys. Thanks for listening.

[B]

Yep. And thanks for tuning in to episode 72 and we'll see you on the next one. The next one.

[A]

Bye, guys.

[B]

All right, we love you guys. It.