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Apple Sues OpenAI Over ‘Stealing Trade Secrets’ & Netflix Plans Live TV Channels?
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Apple Sues OpenAI Over ‘Stealing Trade Secrets’ & Netflix Plans Live TV Channels?
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Narrator/Host Intro
Are you sucking wind from trying to keep up with AI and its impact? Take a breather and tune in to the Intelligence Shift, Morning Brew's new podcast with PwC. It bridges the gap between big picture AI concepts and what it actually means in practice. Host Dan Priest is joined by expert guests to discuss AI's role in sports, music, HR, and more. Listen to the Intelligence Shift wherever you get your podcasts.
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Raymond Liu
Good morning, Brew Daily Show. I'm Raymond Liu.
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Kyle Hagie
And I'm Kyle Hagie.
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Raymond Liu
Today, Apple just slapped OpenAI in the face with a lawsuit that says stop stealing my stuff.
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Kyle Hagie
And while you might see your favorite YouTube streamers popping up on Netflix, it's Monday, July 13th. Let's ride.
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Raymond Liu
Good morning. Neil and Toby are out, which means we have crowd favorite Kyle filling in. Kyle, welcome back to the pod.
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Kyle Hagie
Let's do it. Excited to be here.
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Raymond Liu
Kyle, how fitted do you like your suit?
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Kyle Hagie
I mean, obviously you can tell pretty fit. I like them loose. I like ability to grow into them a little bit.
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Raymond Liu
Well, the Wall Street Journal writes, in the era of protein maxing, men want tighter suits. Writer Jamie Water points out that when UFC fighter Conor McGregor met with President Trump at the White House last year, many noticed how tightly fitted his suit was and how to explain accentuated his physique. David August, the designer behind McGregor's suit, said that after that appearance, you've received dozens and dozens of requests for the same tailoring. So as men are trying to bulk out with all the protein and powerlifting they're doing, they're trying to show off their muscles along with their style.
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Neil (mentioned, not speaking directly)
Kyle.
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Raymond Liu
But Kyle, how slim is too slim?
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Kyle Hagie
I just got to say, if you're taking fashion Advice from Conor McGregor, I have some. I have some serious questions. Already a red flag and I look, I need him loose as a, as a new dad. I've, I'm, I'm putting on a little, a few extra pounds. So again, I like to grow into the suit. So I'm, I'm not going slim suits, but if it works for you, it works for you.
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Raymond Liu
Yeah, I agree.
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Kyle Hagie
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Raymond Liu
Because if so, come back to me about that one in probably a month.
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Kyle Hagie
No, of course not. We only care about the physical here. It's why we turn the cameras on.
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Raymond Liu
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Kyle Hagie
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Raymond Liu
Use promo code Morning Brew10 for 10% off your first pair of ultra running shoes at altrurunning.com MorningBrew that's a L T R-A running.com MorningBrew the relationship between OpenAI and Apple has gone completely sour. Last Friday, Apple accused OpenAI of stealing trade secrets in its quest to build out a physical product line for ChatGPT. The lawsuit specifically calls out two former Apple employees, Tang Tan, a former hardware designer who worked on the iPhone, Apple watch and ipod and is now OpenAI's Chief Hardware Officer, and Chang Lu, a former electrical engineer who was privy to some of its most sensitive product developments. Apple says the claims say Tan told OpenAI candidates to bring in actual parts from Apple during its interviews and Liu downloaded several confidential hardware related files as he was transitioning over to OpenAI. In the lawsuit, Lou wrote to a former colleague LOL I found out I can access the network storage. So funny. End quote. OpenAI responded saying look, it has no interest in other companies trade secrets and we remain focused on building innovative technology that empowers people everywhere. Now back in February Apple actually raised the issue of leaks to OpenAI but they never responded. It's a partnership that's gone south. Apple asked OpenAI to help revamp Siri using its tech. But OpenAI grew disappointed with how Apple integrated ChatGPT. Kyle this is a friendship that has kind of fallen apart but technically they're still partners. So maybe they're more like frenemies.
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Kyle Hagie
I guess so. And one, I mean clearly you are interested in other companies trade secrets that I get that there's a lawsuit, you got to be careful with your quotes. But that just seems to be wrong point blank. And for, for me like how did the people doing this think it was going to work? Like I'm sure Apple knows every one of my keystrokes and I don't even work for the company. So like the fact that you thought you might get away with this also blows my mind. I think for OpenAI to have their chief hardware officer being accused of a crime is just not a good look. And I think you brought up a really good point which is the fall from Grace Chat CBT was going to be a partner with Apple on Siri in 2024 and I think so many people were excited about that because lord knows Siri just doesn't really work. We were like oh my gosh, this could be huge. And that partnership just fell apart so fast. Now Apple has switched to Gemini in 2026 to power their AI. And so, yeah, this looks like a really tough relationship. The other part that I think is souring between Apple and OpenAI was Jony Ivy joining OpenAI. Joni, I've. Excuse me. Joining OpenAI, who is the famed Apple industrial designer, chief Design officer. He spent 27 years at the company. He has every right to join OpenAI, but I think what Apple takes very serious is its domination in the hardware space. They've been open about allowing OpenAI, anthropic Amazon to invest billions of dollars into AI products, knowing that those AI products are going to have to run on their hardware. What I think Apple feels some pressure now is what is the future of hardware look like and what is the interface people go to? Is it going to be meta Ray Bans? Is it going to be Snap Specs? Is it going to be an Amazon Alexa? Is it going to be this new hardware that OpenAI develops? Once Apple feels threatened like that, I mean, they got $140 billion in cash and the best lawyers in the world, they're going to go after you. And so I think this makes sense from Apple's perspective to defend what they do best, which is hardware.
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Raymond Liu
Yeah, a lot of these tech companies are trying to crack the code of consumer AI products. No one has really, really done so yet. I mean, it's, it's still very much in its nascent period, so we will see. But Sam Altman, who's the top guy over at OpenAI, has been very public about his hardware hopes and dreams, but he isn't actually necessarily interested in building the next revolutionary computer, or even the next revolutionary phone, for that matter. He's actually said that today's laptops and phones were designed for a pre AI world. So Whitman thinks our current technology slate of technology isn't quite ready for the AI future that he's looking for. But the problem is that no one knows what kind of products that OpenAI is building. So he's publicly said that they're working on prototypes. And he's also like touted like, oh, these early prototypes are so good, I can't wait. But it's largely been kept a secret. Nonetheless, they've poured billions into its hardware effort and at the same time, it's also racing towards an IPO.
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Kyle Hagie
That's right. I mean, they spent $6.5 billion to acquire IO Products, which was the product and engineering company that Joni I've founded to bring him in to lead this hardware effort to we haven't seen much from that effort. And Personally I think OpenAI, this is a bit of a distraction, the lawsuit, but also chasing after hardware, the problem of AI is tough enough to figure out how to consistently deliver the best models. To also build something in hardware which requires intense supply chain coordination and everything. Apple is known to be best at that seems like another whole different company. Hard to run them both. So we'll see how this lawsuit shakes out and what OpenAI's future in hardware is.
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Raymond Liu
Yeah, as I mentioned, Apple took notice back in February of this. So it's not like they're going from sideways. They're saying like, hey, stop it. They gave OpenAI an opportunity to kind of have this resolution back in February and then they just didn't respond. So I feel like at this point when they actually filed the lawsuit, they've built up to me, they've built up a pretty strong case to actually sue. And they were pretty specific about it too. So it's not like they just said generally catch all trade secrets, hey, whatever. We feel like you're taking our ideas.
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Kyle Hagie
They had the guy saying, lol, I stole stuff.
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Raymond Liu
Exactly, again, according to the lawsuit. But it's down to like details like the metal finishing techniques that Apple wants to protect. And that's like a key thing, especially when it comes to like their supply chain, as you mentioned. But many are saying, like you said, it does not look great for OpenAI, especially when you hire these former high level workers from Apple. In fact, more than more than 400 former Apple employees, according to Bloomberg, have joined OpenAI. And that's also because they're enticed by this opportunity to build like this next generational device and also because they have just like massive dazzling pay packages. I mean some of the pay that I've seen on LinkedIn is just crazy. But I want to also make sure that we say, what does Apple ultimately want to achieve in this lawsuit? Well, it wants OpenAI first and foremost to stop stealing its trade secrets for one. But it also wants to scrap. It wants OpenAI to scrap any hardware plans that it may have that may have a tinge of Apple in it. So it basically says like anything that you're working on that may be construed as like our trade secrets, re engineer, start over, start from square one. But it's not only just the product itself, it's also including the supply chain data which could have really massive impact on OpenAI.
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Kyle Hagie
That's right, Ray. If a competing podcast ever tries to poach you don't don't give them our trade secrets, okay? Don't give them our trade secrets. I just learned about a new term and it is cookie stuffing. No, this isn't when you buy a pack of double dark Chocolate Milanos and eat the entire bag on a Friday night, speaking for a friend. Rather, it's when a company or app attaches its affiliate code using computer cookies into your browser, which allows the app to claim sales it didn't actually drive. While the former definition of cookie stuffing sounds a little more fun personally, it's the latter definition that has Fiat, the AI powered shopping plug in company founded by Phoebe Gates, the daughter of Bill Gates in the news and in a bit of trouble. That's right, the co founder of Microsoft's daughter Phoebe has the entrepreneurial spirit that her father has as well. She launched via officially in 2025 with her co founder Sophia Kiani and subsequently went on to raise $35 million for the app. FIA allows users to compare prices for new and used clothing, shoes and accessories with one click, and it also provides insight into how certain brands hold value in secondary markets to help shoppers discern when to buy second hand. However, according to Ben Adelman, an independent researcher in the affiliate marketing space, FIA was using cookie stuffing to claim sales that didn't actually drive, a violation of many digital platforms policies as well as users trust. Essentially, if you had the app installed on your computer and you were shopping online, FIA would secretly load onto another tab, inject its affiliate code into your shopping experience, and then close when you went to make a purchase. It would appear that FIA helped drive the sale when in reality it was unknown and unintended by the user. Now FIA has acknowledged the issue saying, quote, within the last 24 hours we were made aware that in a recent release of our code base was causing misattributions from a subset of users. As soon as we were notified, our team worked overnight to identify mitigate and has since resolved the issue. But there will still be more damage to be undone by FIA. For example, impact.com, a leading partnership and affiliate management platform, said it suspended fias account due to this behavior that was, quote, inconsistent with our platform policy. Ray Very tough news for something that sounds as fun as cookie stuffing to turn out to be actually a bad
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Raymond Liu
thing and has nothing to do with dessert. I'm so disappointed. Let's talk about how affiliate marketing should work in an ideal setting. So let's say you're on Instagram and there's an influencer you follow is they often are Promoting like a brand or a product, some kind of item that they use, whether they actually use or not. But regardless, they're promoting it. They often have an affiliate link that includes a discount code in it. So as long as you click on that link and when you do, a small file called a cookie saves to your device and this cookie remembers the affiliate's id. So now if I'm the shopper and I actually go to the website, some a store, an online store and actually wants to buy the product that the influencer is promoting, the system verifies that cookie and then credits the sale to the affiliate and records the commission. Problem is, is that that's not happening in this case with fia. I went online to look at some of the chatter and it's obvious, of course it's been pretty lively. And some aren't buying the fact that FIA said that, oh, it's kind of a technical bug, we weren't aware of this, we're going to go ahead and fix it. But they're also quite skeptical of Gates innocence in this matter. That she was probably more, she knows more than she's kind of giving off. And there's a lot of scrutiny on her because she's Bill Gates daughter of course, and that she's an influencer and she has this flashy podcast called the Burnouts podcast and has a lot of big names on it. But then you have those who are actually coming to her defense saying hey, people should give her a lot more grace because she's a first time founder, mistakes are going to be made and that maybe because she is a female founder, there's a lot more of a bias to really like amplify and pounce on the mistakes that she's made.
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Kyle Hagie
Yeah, and you know, we're not sure if this was intentionally malicious as you noted. And I think we, we need to see where these allegations go a little further and how FIA continues to respond to them. In addition, this is not new. Capital One also had a claim very similar with its shopping app about affiliate code injection and cookie stuffing. So this is something that has happened in this space. I'm not excusing the behavior, but it is something that's happened. Although this can come with criminal prosecutions if it is super, super intense. In the late 2010s, two affiliate marketers were actually criminally prosecuted for defrauding ebay, which a scheme that netted them about $35 million. Not saying fee is at that scale, but this is something that can get serious if you don't respond properly. However, I think your point is very well taken. The reason we're talking about this is because the last name of the founder, Phoebe Gates, her father obviously is Bill Gates. The investors they had was like a who's who of big name investors. Khloe Kardashian, Sydney Sweeney, the chain Smokers, Carly Kloss. I mean, it looked like a festival lineup, not necessarily investors. They got everyone on board and so there's a lot of heat around this. I think my hot take is this actually helps FIA over the long term. Like, if you didn't know about FIA before, you certainly know about them now. This is everywhere. It's going to continue to be everywhere. I think this week in the press, I believe they'll make changes. And unless the company is forced to shut down, which I don't see happening, more people know about it, more people will try it. Did they erode enough users trust to never come back? We'll see. But the real downside is not really to the user, it's to the advertisers and the publishers. So I think this maybe ends up helping them. However, it is another knock in the Forbes 30 to 30 fraud pipeline. Both Phoebe Gates and her co founder were named to Forbes 3030, which is a funny quote.
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Raymond Liu
You do not want to be on that list for some reason.
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Kyle Hagie
That's why I turned it down. Right? Yeah, that's why I turned it.
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Raymond Liu
Yeah, of course, of course. You've got a heart of gold. That's why. Okay, let's move on. It's time for Winners of the Weekend, the segment where we pick two stories from the weekend that folded the perfect origami Crane. Kyle, you won the pre show game of who can stay within the lines of our adult coloring book. So you get to go first.
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Kyle Hagie
My winner of the weekend, Ray, is Netflix. And there's a famous business phrase that essentially says there's only two strategies in business. Bundling and unbundling. Netflix first pioneered the unbundling, right? Stripping down the ability to watch content from complex cable subscriptions that you could never cancel, packed with things you didn't want, or even removing the friction of having to drive to the store to pick up movies or TV shows you wanted to watch. But now Netflix is entering its bundling era with plans to continue going deeper into live tv, adding podcasts and short form video, a new gaming app for kids, and quite literally bundling its service, or potentially bundling its service with other digital content providers like Peacock. Now, why is Netflix seemingly bundle maxing? Well, subscriber engagement is showing signs of decline, with many season twos of series showing a sophomore slump like the hit show Beef, which reportedly had a 70% drop in engagement season over season. And and Netflix share of TV viewership has fallen to 7.8% in April, according to Nielsen, the lowest level since May 2025. Simply put, Netflix needs more reason for you to tune in consistently. And it's not just traditional live tv, Netflix is after the streaming giant said on Monday that it had ordered a spinoff of Hot ones, the hit YouTube show with Sean Evans, where celebrities eat hot wings and talk about things. The new show Hot Ones Extra Heat, very creative name there, will stream after the occasional major live sporting event or big series or film premiere on Netflix. Ray if there's two things I know about Netflix, it's that that done done when you load, the app will always be too loud and they will continuously disrupt themselves to stay on top. I like this move and Netflix, it's something they have to do. I'm glad to see them doing it.
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Raymond Liu
Well, you know what this reminds me of? Either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Because this is kind of fun. Far away from its roots when it first started out to disrupt the cable television landscape. But yeah, Netflix wants to basically own your eyeballs, but it has an engagement problem, as you mentioned, and some have pointed out that it kind of stems from something that it essentially pioneered and that's binge watching. So if you remember, binging was great because when you compare it to traditional TV and you really enjoyed a show and you didn't, all you had to do was pick a free weekend and you're like, I can just watch this entire season and I didn't have to wait another week to watch an episode and sit and watch at a certain time. But Today you have TikTok. Today you have YouTube and Reels, which is. Which are platforms that are actually stealing away attention and eyeballs and time from its users. According to eMarketer, TikTok was near Netflix in terms of time spent back in 2024 US adults spent an average of 62.1 minutes per day streaming and streaming on Netflix and 58.4 minutes per day on TikTok. So the gap is kind of closing there. And of course you have YouTube, who generally pulls in more monthly viewership, monthly viewership than any other streaming platform. It's constantly generally number one according to Nielsen's report. And there we have access to both short form and long form videos. So for Netflix, the real competition isn't TV anymore, it's apps like TikTok and YouTube.
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Kyle Hagie
Yeah. There's a famous quote from Reed Hastings, the co founder of Netflix that said sleep is our biggest competitor. Right. And I think if you take that quote to its logical conclusion, anything that can take your attention away from Netflix is a Netflix competitor. Unfortunately for them, the attention and the focus on getting your eyeballs away is more larger than ever. I mean, there's competition from YouTube. All of the streaming services have effectively copied Netflix and caught up a bit. There's TikTok, there's still sleep. And so everything is coming for your attention. So Netflix is now in a field of many and so they have to develop IP that keeps you coming back. They have to find a way in to live appointment watching TV because that's something that people still want to do. They're trying to find their way into podcasts. It feels like they're trying to find this perfect mix where you can go to Netflix the same way you would go to YouTube and know you're going to find something you like. That is going to be their biggest challenge. Again, I wouldn't bet against Netflix though, because if they've shown one thing during the history of this company, it's that they will continue to disrupt themselves. I think they still have the strongest brand in streaming and it's how can they leverage that brand to move into everything else now.
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Raymond Liu
Yeah. Another way that is trying to capture and expand audiences is reportedly they're using shorter video content by adding content from publishers like buzzfeed, Conde Nast, Variety. And you're already seeing some of this with what you said video podcast. It is a way for them to test out whether subscribers would be open to watching that shorter type of content that is typically for the web, such as news, lifestyle, how to' because these are, these are videos that are faster and more importantly cheaper to produce than let's say a scripted series. So here's the thing. If it works though, and if people are finding to people are returning to Netflix to watch these types of videos, you could potentially see them starting to develop more in house content of this style. All right, well before we get into my winner of the weekend, let's go ahead and take a quick break.
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Neil (mentioned, not speaking directly)
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Neil (mentioned, not speaking directly)
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Toby (mentioned, not speaking directly)
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Raymond Liu
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Neil (mentioned, not speaking directly)
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Neil (mentioned, not speaking directly)
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Toby (mentioned, not speaking directly)
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Narrator/Host Intro
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Raymond Liu
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Raymond Liu
winner of the weekend is marijuana. Yep, I said it. That's because more employers are caring less about you popping a gummy at night after a stressful day. Or more about when you want to just vibe out on a bench at Fort Greene Park. According to new data from Quest Diagnostics, the share of urine tests that are positive for marijuana use rose 4.4% last year, up from 3.9% in 2021. Hair tests, which can detect drug use as far back as 90 days, revealed far more widespread use over the extended period of time. About 15% of workers tested positive, a 60% jump from 2021. It's all from a combination of factors. One, more states are legalizing it. Twenty states legalized it between 2016 and 2023, a rapid change by historical standards. And today 24 states have fully legalized it and two more people are using it. Weed among boomers hit its Highest ever in 2025 and Gen Z we covered before in the show are drinking less but are using marijuana more. And three, then you have the Trump administration wanting to reclassify the drug from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3, a less harsher classification which could also affect Employers drug testing policies. According to the Wall Street Journal, more employers don't see it as a red flag anymore and is no longer a deal breaker when it comes to keeping or getting a job that it once was. And some employers are even not even screening for the drug at all. Kyle, this is a total shift from how it used to be, especially when it, when it comes to the workplace. I remember a time when movies and TV shows had entire plot lines when a character would try wild ways to circumvent their employer's drug screening to keep their job. But today, not so much.
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Kyle Hagie
Yeah, this has changed so much just over the course of my lifetime. Ray. That Fort Greene park bench was oddly specific. So I'm going to, I'm going to be looking for you at the park now.
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Raymond Liu
Vibe.
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Kyle Hagie
Yeah, I think like you said, the society has really changed its perception of marijuana even in the past two decades to something that is generally more accepted. I also think this is just capitalism being capitalism. When companies were screening for marijuana, they were finding it hard to find actually qualified employees based on the heuristic that if you had weed in your system, you want to be a good employee. They said, well, we actually just need employees. We have to loosen these restrictions. And if, yeah, if you're not doing something right on the job, there will still be consequences. But I think the perception has been more like alcohol, where what you do off the clock is your business as long as you're locked in at work. I think some industries, they might want to scream for, screen for marijuana positive and hire those people who are most creative. I'm like, find some of those people. One of the most interesting things about this that I saw was Quest Diagnostics, who did this survey, broke this down by industry. What percent of people were getting tested positively by industry? Government was the lowest at 2%, which I guess means the post office is slow for some other reason. Tough news for us. Retail was the highest at just shy of 8%, which I think explains why everyone at Trader Joe's is so happy.
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Raymond Liu
Oh, you got to also deal with a lot of people too. But one thing to note too, it's not like all industries are shifting away from this drug screening policy. It also depends on the type of job. So I think safety jobs, construction jobs, obviously, if you'd have to have all your faculties kind of going, they tend to have stricter drug screening policies because obviously your safety is involved. So you want to make sure you're alert and then also stress the fact that you also don't want to be token it up in the job, during the job. So this more so cares like whether you cares more on like what you do on your free time. But as long as you're not doing it in the workplace, I think you're fine there. Okay. Well, it's Monday and so here is what you need to know in the week ahead. It'll be a week of grieving on Capitol Hill, as many are mourning the sudden loss of longtime Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who died Saturday night at the age of 71 from a torn aorta. Reports say he represented South Carolina in the House and Senate for more than three decades. Graham, who fiercely opposed Trump at first, eventually became one of his strongest allies. Graham, who was also working on initiatives to support Ukraine, including new sanctions on Russia.
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Kyle Hagie
Yeah, I mean he was just in Ukraine I think two or three days ago, which just shows you how fast something like this can happen and is incredibly sad, makes you realize how precious life is. And there's been an outpouring of condolences, condolences to his family, bipartisan on Capitol Hill. And so, yeah, really, really sad to see.
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Raymond Liu
Up next, five of the six largest banks in the US Are set to announce their quarterly results on Tuesday, which some are describing it as conference call. Chella, bank of America, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo and Citigroup all are expected to post strong quarters even in the face of market volatility, according to market analysts. Speaking of those analysts, Bloomberg points out that because all these mega bank earnings are on the same day, they have to tune in for at least five hours to parse through all the commentary and analyze hundreds of documents. The only one that didn't get the memo, Morgan Stanley.
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Kyle Hagie
Five hours. That sounds like torture to me. You could get any bit of information out of me to stop that.
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Raymond Liu
I've listened to conference calls before. They're not exciting. Next up, the World cup semifinals is underway with France facing off against Spain on Tuesday and England plays against Argentina on Wednesday. Argentina, of course, survived against Switzerland thanks to late game goals by Julian Alvarez and Lautoro Martinez to pull away in a 31 victory. And England, led by Jude Bellingham's two goals, defeats Norway in extra time in South Florida. Unfortunately, we won't be seeing Erling Haaland on the pitch in the next round, but fortunately we probably will be seeing a lot more of him on the Internet.
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Kyle Hagie
He kind of took the World cup by storm. I loved his story and personally, I'm cheering for Argentina. I think Messi's the goat. I want to see him get another one.
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Raymond Liu
Then it's MLB All Star time. Starting with the Home Run Derby on Monday, then the All Star Game on Tuesday. It'll be hosted in Philly, which actually hasn't hosted an all star game since 1996. Finally, the time has come. The Odyssey comes out in theaters this Friday. Kyle, there is so much, so much hype around this movie. I feel like I've already seen it somehow. Are you one of the lucky ones to get an IMAX ticket?
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Kyle Hagie
I don't have one yet. I really want to see the movie and I don't. Everyone is, like, nitpicking the smallest details of how this isn't historically. Just, look, let's just go watch the movie. It's Christopher Nolan. Let the man cook. Sit back, enjoy. Have some fun, people.
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Raymond Liu
Apparently, some of the early reviews have say it's pretty epic and it's kind of great.
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Kyle Hagie
But I'm pumped.
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Raymond Liu
Sometimes with these, I get a little, you know, nervous of being a big flop. But I've tried to buy a ticket. I mean, I've come in late and it's sold out for weeks.
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Kyle Hagie
Yeah, I mean, Lord knows I haven't read the book, so I won't even be able to critique it at all. So I'm very excited for the film.
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Raymond Liu
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Kyle Hagie
See y' all tomorrow.