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Congestion Pricing Hits NYC & Meta Backtracks on AI Characters
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Congestion pricing lands in NYC & Meta is cleaning up its AI Character mishap
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Toby Howell
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Toby Howell
And I'm Toby Howell.
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Today, ski patrollers are striking against Vail. And it's about as chaotic as a beginner pizzaing down a black diamond.
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Toby Howell
Then the Internet is not a fan of Meta's weird AI chatbots. It's Monday, January 6th. Let's ride.
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Neal Freyman
One of the great New Year's traditions, along with the ball dropping in Times Square is the first tuna auction of the year at the famed Toyota Yosu fish market in Tokyo. And this year brought the goods. Over the weekend, a 608 pound bluefin tuna sold for $1.3 million, making it one of the priciest tuna ever to be sold in the history of sushi, equivalent to $2,100 per pound. The buyer was a Michelin star Japanese sushi restaurant chain which said it would put the tuna on the menu at 13 of its restaurants. Toby, 20 $100 per pound. Do you think you'd be able to tell the difference if I gave you that? Tuna versus sashimi grade one I pick up at Whole Foods.
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Toby Howell
Oh, absolutely. I have a very delicate palate. It was very funny though, to see all the news headlines comparing this tuna to various things in terms of size. The Washington Post went with it weighs as much as a grizzly bear. The Guardian went with a motorbike and a Japanese publication kept it simple, just called it as fat as a cow. But I have to ask, Neil, are you a toro guy, a Chutoro or Otoro? That's fatty tuna. Medium fatty tuna or very fatty tuna?
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Neal Freyman
Well, I think I want the most flavor. Then I got to go with the fattiest. Right?
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Toby Howell
Which is Otoro. I'm an Akimi guy, which is just that lean, very pink. That's ruby red tuna. So I'm a. I'm a lean tuna guy. You're a fatty tuna guy.
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Neal Freyman
Yeah, but I'm not even nowhere near as snobby as far as tuna is concerned as you. I didn't know this about you.
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Toby Howell
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Public Investing Full Disclosures in Podcast Description if you want to drive in to crash a podcast taping of Morning Brew daily, it's going to cost you even more than the Lincoln Tunnel toll Starting yesterday, New York City began implementing congestion pricing, becoming the first US City to tax drivers taking their car into the central business district. New York's $9 charge applies to vehicles entering anywhere south of 60th street in Manhattan, home to popular tourist areas like Broadway theater and SoHo, as well as major office districts like the Flatiron one the brew uses as its HQ. It has been a roller coaster to get to this point, which highlights how controversial this plan is. Congestion pricing was to begin last June before its one time champion, New York Governor Kathy Hochul, scrapped it in what critics call a political ploy to help Democrats chances in the election. After November's election, Hochul said, you know what? I'd like a take back and gave it the green light, but at a reduced rate $9 instead of the original 15. Toby this congestion pricing plan has invited is a hot dog a sandwich level debate, but with a lot higher stakes. If it succeeds in New York, you can bet other US Cities are going to be taking not it is very high stakes.
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Toby Howell
People have very strong opinions about it. So far we don't have a ton of data on it because it only rolled out on Sunday, but the data was a little bit mixed initially. Once it was rolled out, the average speed within the congestion zone inched upwards 3% to 15 miles an hour around 8am on Sundays. But then by noon the travel speed had fallen to 13 miles per hour, which was slightly slower than last year. So obviously it was just one day, it was a holiday weekend. So that data isn't going to really be that meaningful. But going forward, people will be looking on if average traffic speeds do increase, which would mean that the congestion pricing is doing what it sets out to do, which is reducing congestion.
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Neal Freyman
Right, let's talk about what it set out to do. What are the goals of congestion pricing? Well, one of them is to reduce traffic in Lower Manhattan. New York City was the most congested city in the entire world last year. According to a study from Inrix, drivers lost 101 hours on average sitting in traffic in this city last year. So reducing traffic, reducing emissions, clearing up the roadways, a major goal. Another goal on the other side of that is for the toll to raise money for non private vehicle options like transit, buses, subways. The idea is to raise $15 billion to apply to funding for those measures. So it's kind of this two sided coin where we have reduce congestion, reduce traffic deaths. Hundreds of people lost their lives in traffic accidents in New York City last year. On the other hand, it's hoping to raise money to fuel transit options. And you know, that's the goals of proponents and opponents. On the other hand, they came from the suburbs, New Jersey, Long Island, Westchester, who say it's just a money grab by New York City and another tax on people who have been hurting from inflation.
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Toby Howell
And I do think that that is one critique that you will see offered. Unless you make the subways work, unless you make them reliable and safe, then it doesn't make sense to send more people towards, towards these public transit options and tax people for driving their cars. So what is actually going to happen though is that New York City is going to secure $15 billion upfront through bond financing and will use this program, the tolling revenue raised by this program to slowly pay off that bond. So hopefully you start seeing some of those improvements to public transportation pretty immediately. And if you don't, that's when I think you will start to hear some of those rising choruses of is this really just a tax? Are we actually seeing improvements to the subway system which desperately needs it? So people are celebrating it now, Some people are not celebrating it, a lot of those people you mentioned. But it certainly is one of those, you know, divisive issues right now.
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Neal Freyman
Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see whether that price point of $9 actually deters people from going into the city. You already have to pay more than $15 just to enter on the bridges and tunnels in New York City is not the first city in the world to do. It's the first city in the United States. London, Stockholm, Singapore are among the cities that already have congestion pricing. And we at London to see what maybe has to what maybe will come to New York City. London implemented it in 2003. That was $8 per day. Now it's up to $18. The year after congestion pricing came to London, congestion inside the zone was reduced by 30%. But it looks like it's normalized because in 2022, before New York City became the most congested city, London was in 2022, a full almost two decades after congestion pricing. So people adjust their habits because actually.
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Toby Howell
What lo, once they saw the amount of cars entering the city fall, they got rid of some lanes for cars and they started repurposing them for bikes and pedestrians. But when you do that, it just makes those existing lanes congested again. So it's just these second order effects down the line that you'll have to see. How does this affect tourism? Does it actually remain less congested going forward? These are the things you've got to look at as we kind of progress with this experiment. The Internet stumbled across several of Met as a generated bot portfolios on Instagram. And the reaction was not positive. Last week, Met as VP of Generative AI Connor Hayes talked to the Financial Times about a future where AI profiles act just like normal human accounts, sharing content and engaging with users. In the wake of that interview, a few bots, including one named Lived whose bio showed her to be a proud black queer mom of two went mega viral as people roasted her posts showing her kids a community coat drive and some hand drawn pieces of art which were of course all AI generated themselves. As the Internet had a field day piling onto the accounts for disingenuously portraying real humans with racial and sexual identities, Metta quietly started deleting those accounts. A spokesperson for the company went on to clarify that the accounts were just tests, not a new product announcement. But still, Neil seeing behind the curtain into a future where AI generated accounts are miming humanity. It didn't sit well with people.
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Neal Freyman
No, it did not. I mean, what was the word of the year, the Oxford Dictionary word of the year for 2024? It was brain rot. And people have their guard up for anything that would add to the brain rot that we are seeing on the Internet. This AI quote unquote slop that has proliferated since Chat GPT was released in 2022. But I will tell you there is backlash now. But I do feel like this kind of this is coming. You know, this guy, this meta exec gave the interview to Financial Times saying that, you know, look, we want to increase engagement on our platform. And the use cases of generative AI so far that has been proven popular with people is that companionship with, with AI bots and finding friends in virtual avatars. And their goal at Metta is to keep you on the platform as much as possible. So if they find that you're engaging with these avatars, these AI bots, then they're going to keep, they're going to keep releasing them. Now this was obviously sloppily done. They released it, they released 28 of them in 2023, slowly deleted them. But then this interview sort of picked up. People started searching for them after this interview to see like, whoa, what's he talking about? I think the fact that a company would actually put its thumb on the scale and introduce more AI slop and more AI accounts to people on social media was a reason for the big backlash.
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Toby Howell
And a lot of news organizations did kind of go after and try to test some of these bots before they were taken down, basically peel back the curtain as to who trained the bots, why, why were they existing on the plat at all? CNN talked to a grandpa bot called Brian. It asked it did matter. Create you to drive a profit and met in. Brian answered, behind the noble goal, yes. Metta hoped virtual companions like myself would increase engagement on their platforms, especially among older users, driving ad revenue and platform growth through emotional connections. So it started to get very black mirror because the, the line between the Persona that it was in trying to portray to the real world and its actual motivations, like the training data and what it was trained on was way too blurry. Which is why Metta, I think, started to take them down. Because people, they weren't ready for primetime yet, nor were they supposed to be. They were kind of launched in the background of things, which is why we saw them take it down. But I also do want to talk about one of the theories that started to get some buzz as these metabots started to take over your timeline, which is the dead Internet theory. It's this theory claiming that the Internet has largely been taken over by artificial intelligence and bots, saying that for right around 2016, the amount of AI generated content started to out replace genuine human generated content and seeing matter just lean. So heavily into it. Everyone's like, well, the dead Internet is here. Eventually the Internet is only going to be AI versions of ourselves talking to AI versions of other people. And it's just not going to be like the Internet that we grew up on. So debt Internet theory is a term you will see thrown out fairly frequently over these next few years. If you are in search of some fresh pow this weekend, you were probably greeted with some fresh frustration. Instead, a major labor dispute has broken out at North America's largest ski resort. Ski patrol workers at Park City in Utah are entering the second week of a strike that has brought the mountain to a near standstill during its busiest time of the year. Due to a lack of staff on the mountain, it's been operating at less than 20% capacity at times, which combined with a week that brought two feet of fresh powder, led to some horror stories of lift lines that were hours long. The Ski Patrol association said that it had been talking to Park Cities owner Vail Resorts since April, looking to try to increase their hourly wages from $21 to $23 per hour. In total, their demands would cost fail just $900,000 annually, a fraction of the company's reported 230 million in net income. Adding to skiers and the patrol unions of frustration. Now, looking at some of these videos and pictures coming out of Park City over the weekend, it was a lot of standing, not a lot of shredding.
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Neal Freyman
A lot of standing. And I think there's a decent amount of schadenfreude among people here on the east coast who don't ski, who are looking at those lift lines, people being like, whoa, well why would you do that in the first place? This is all skiing is. But no, there is a lot of animosity toward Vail even before this strike happened. It's valued at nearly $10 billion. It's bought up all of the ski resorts in all the big ski resorts in North America. Owns 42 of them across this continent, Australia and Europe. Europe. And then it sort of revolutionized the industry by in 2008 releasing what's called the Epic Pass, which gives which you, you can buy and it gives you access to all of Vails resorts. And you know, compared to the walk up price of $328 at Park City Mountain, people are opting for the Epic Pass. 75% of visitors to all of its Vails ski areas will be using a pass product. So Vail is seen as sort of the evil corporate overlord in the fact that this union is asking for $2 increase in starting wages. And Vail has, you know, sort of rejected that, saying that it. Over the past four years, they say that they've increased wages by 50% for ski patrollers and that has been more than inflation. So it's kept, more than kept up with the cost of living. So those are the, these are the sort of context and dynamics at play when you see this fight between the ski patrollers who cannot afford to live in these uber expensive ski towns that are becoming only more expensive, and Vail Resorts, which is a publicly owned behemoth which is valued at nearly $10 billion and brought in more than $250 million in profit last year.
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Toby Howell
We were talking, why is Vail taking such a hard line response here? Because clearly they are getting eaten alive in the court of public opinion. But I think part of it is that they operate 41 other mountains and resorts. So they want to play hardball here to deter labor action at some of its other properties potentially. Also, you know that demand is going to be there no matter what. You were talking with some of your skiing friends out west and they were saying there's nowhere else to ski. Like people are still going to come, people still love to ski. So even though Vail is, as you called it, is looking like the evil corporate overlord here, they just have almost a monopoly on the supply and the demand is just through the roof right now. So there's only so many mountains to ski. But you can hate on Vail as much as you want, but you probably will end up at a Vail property no matter what. So you will be back whether you like it or not. So that is some of the reasons why Vail is maybe thinking that, like, hey, we don't have to actually acquiesce to these union demands, even though they're, they're haggling over truly pretty much $1 in hourly wages, which is why everyone is so frustrated. They're like, just give the union what they're asking for. So if you have ski plans, just remember that you might be waiting for a little bit longer than at Park City. At Park City, specifically, because those lift lines are stretching miles. Up next, it is our winners of the weekend. Whether you're shopping for a new ride or researching which phone plan matches your budget, you want to feel confident you've made the right. And finding safe, secure AI tools for your business is no different.
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Neal Freyman
Welcome to Winners of the Weekend the segment where Toby and I picked two things that picked up the tab at brunch. I won the pre show game of Duck Duck Goose so I get to go first. And my winner is Everyone handed a trophy at the Golden Globes last night, which kicked off awards season by honoring the best of movies and TV in a box office year dominated by sequels. It was originality and ambition that took home the hardware at the Golden Globes. The Spanish language trans musical Amelia Perez won best film comedy or musical, while The Brutalist, a 215 minute epic starring Adrien Brody that includes an intermission, won best Film Drama. Some other winners include Demi Moore getting her first major acting award for the substance at age 62, and Nikki Glaser's really funny money monologue, which lately roasted a bunch of the Hollywood stars in attendance, though they did not get it nearly as bad as Tom Brady when she fellayed him on Netflix last year. Toby the Golden Globes are seen as the boozy, less uptight opener for the Oscars, which comes In March. What were your highlights?
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Toby Howell
My highlight was Nikki Glaser. She won even more people over. She won a lot of people over with the rose of Tom Brady. She has been a comedian for a long time too. But I mean she did an impression of Adam Sandler trying to pronounce Timothy. Yeah, she did Chalamet and got Adam Sandler to participate. She just struck a really good tone. I mean she said the bear, penguin, baby reindeer, these aren't just things hanging in RFK's freezer. She called it Ozempic's biggest night. So really, I mean you called it the boozy preview to the Oscars. That really is what happens. The champagne flows there. It's a little less uptight. Also remember that the Golden Globes have kind of reinvented itself recently because the Hollywood Foreign Press association they used to give out the awards. They came under fire because in 2021 it was revealed that they had no black members within their hundred member kind of voting panel. It's now been remade as a for profit enterprise. There's 300 entertainment journalists that are now voting on these from 85 different countries. So they've tried to make it more diverse. They've tried to, you know, make it a better reflection of the industry as a whole. So every year is kind of a new step in its reinvention. I think this was a pretty successful Golden Globes all things considered. My winner of the weekend is the one they are calling the greatest teenage athlete ever on the level of the Pele's and the Serena Williams of the world. I am of course talking about the darting wonder kid Luke the Nuke Littler who climbed to the apex of his profession at just 17 years old. This weekend Little demolished three time champion Michael van Gerwen to win his first ever darts world championship snagging a 500,000 pound prize in the process. He had 12 maximum 180s, averaged 102 points per turned and shattered Van German's record as the youngest ever champion. Accolades aside, Little has also thrust darts to the forefront of your newsfeeds and your telly's viewership for some tournaments on sky Sports replacement 200% last year as he burst onto the scene and last year's final which saw 16 year old littler lose had the biggest non football viewership in Sky Sports's history. He was not to be denied twice. Neal Littler is world champion. Our boy finally got over the.
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Neal Freyman
I know. Remember last year when he was making this amazing run as a 16 year old. He was talking about how much he loves kebabs and he took over the dart world then and to follow this up, to follow his loss up last year and win this year is just propelling this sport to the forefront even more. You know, last year had a record 4.8 million people watching the final. It's going to be even more this year. Littler was the most searched athlete in the UK on Google last year and I think maybe that even that not necessarily maybe was the most popular one, but it was the, it was the biggest delta between I've never heard of this guy and now he's everywhere. So kudos to him and it's really cool to see darts go mainstream. I mean it is very fun to watch and it's maybe even more fun to go watch in person. There is this. This final has become just a staple of the Christmas and New Year's calendar in London. It's called Ali Pali Alexandra palace in London. They sold 90,000 tickets in the summer for this event within 15 minutes. So this is an absolute bucket list thing that I have to go to because they all dress up, they all get really rowdy and it seems super fun and literary. What he's 17 is going to be in this sport for decades.
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Toby Howell
Yeah, that's what people are saying is that you don't really have a big drop off in.
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Neal Freyman
I'm wondering what peak dart age is.
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Toby Howell
I know, I'm wondering that too. Van Gerwin first won when he was 24 years old. He's still on the scene now about 17 years later. So I think you can keep playing well into middle age. There's nothing really about middle age.
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Neal Freyman
Throw darts, right?
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Toby Howell
Yeah, exactly. I was reading into little story we read about him last year, but he was born playing darts. When he was 18 months old, his dad bought him a magnetic dartboard. So he said, I've only been playing darts since I was in nappies, like throwing it at the board when I could barely even talk or walk. Yet he's not even old enough to vote. And yet here he is being, you know, almost the. I call him the best teenage sportsman ever. That might be a little bit of, you know, hyperbole right there, but he is literally at the top of his sport. He is world champion. So Luke the Nuke Little, just an electric talent.
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Neal Freyman
It is Monday. Hey, don't blame the messenger. So here are the major events you should know about in the week ahead. Many of you in the Midwest are listening to this in your PJs because you've got a snow day the biggest winter storm of the season pummeled the region yesterday and overnight tonight, giving cities like Kansas City rare blizzard conditions. Today, it's moving east into the Mid Atlantic, where it's expected to dump Washington. Washington, D.C. with its biggest snowfall in years. Nearly 4,500 flights were delayed and 2,000 canceled in and out of the U.S. as of early this morning and expect that number to rise today.
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Toby Howell
This is a big storm. The National Weather Service has warned that up to 15 inches of snow could accumulate, which would be the highest accumulation in a decade. So a lot of snow days. Take a sick day if you need. Just stay at home.
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Neal Freyman
I'm looking at you about that.
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Toby Howell
I know. Seriously.
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Neal Freyman
All right. The weird gadgets are coming as ces, the world's largest consumer electronics trade shows, kicks off in Vegas today. More than 140,000 people are descending on Sin City to get a firsthand look at what futuristic devices are coming to a Best Buy near you. And your jaw is going to drop when you hear this. But the main theme will be a. I expect to see AI infused in every type of product, including TVs, cars, wearables, even bathroom appliances and massage chairs. But be wary of the hype. Remember, the buzzy product at last year's CES was Humane's AI Pen, which flopped spectacularly.
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Toby Howell
Yeah, you don't know what is just hype and what is actually a product. It's always fun to see what comes out of ces. I do think one theme also outside of AI well, it's kind of AI related, is not phones, which are things that can do stuff that your phone does but isn't a phone. Think meta AI, smart glasses, gadgets without screens, those sorts of things. So I think you will see kind of a reimagining like, hey, maybe we don't need our phones to do do absolutely everything. Maybe other gadgets can do some of the things we've been relying on our phone to do.
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Neal Freyman
You won't have the chance to lose any money in the stock market on Thursday because it'll be closed as part of a national day of mourning for former President Jimmy Carter, who died over break at age 100. Many people were surprised that Wall street would shut down when a former president dies because it's so rare to do that outside of federal holidays. But it has been tradition since at least 1865, when records show the New York Stock Exchange closed to honor Abraham Lincoln after he was assassinated. The last time stock exchanges shut down for a deceased former president was in December 2018 to honor the late George H.W. bush.
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Toby Howell
Save me from myself. Sometimes the stock exchange being closed, the only thing that you need to kind of, you know, get your investing portfolio back on track. But yes, dating back to 1865, I didn't know this was a thing. But 2018, that was the last time in 2020. 2025. Holy moly. Almost messed up right there. To honor Jimmy Carter, there's lots of.
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Neal Freyman
High stakes football this week. The College Football Playoff semifinals are here with Notre facing Penn State on Thursday and Texas taking on Ohio State the following night. And then the NFL playoffs begin this weekend with the wild card round. The Kansas City Chiefs once again are favored to win the super bowl. And if they do it, they'd be the first team ever to win the championship three years in a row. Toby, I need your picks.
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Toby Howell
I'm shaking my head here. I do not want another Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl. My boring picks are Chiefs vs Lions to make the Super Bowl. But my exciting picks, these are the people I want to do well are the Chargers and the Commanders. I think two fun upstart team games right there. Neal, I already know your pick. You're a big Eagles guy.
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Neal Freyman
I'm a big Eagles fan. We play the packers at 4:30 on Sunday. Let's wrap it up there. Thanks for starting your morning with us and have a wonderful start to the week. The first full week of 2025. For any questions, comments or feedback, send an email to Morning Brew daily at Morning Broadcom and New Year. Same pitch. To ask you to share this pod with your family and friends so they can be more informed about things like expensive tuna, congestion pricing and darts. If you need a little assist for a sharing idea, Toby's got you covered.
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Toby Howell
I want you to share the pod with someone who's about to have themselves a snow day. I mean, this storm is about to affect 60 million people across the US so that is 60 million potential morning Brew Daily listeners right there.
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Neal Freyman
Let's roll the credits. Emily Milian is our executive producer. Raymond Lu is our producer. Olivia Graham is our assistant associate producer. Uchenawa Ogu is our technical director. Billy Menino is on audio. Hair and makeup is still stuck in the lift line. Devin Emery is our chief content officer and our show is a production of Morning Brew.
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Toby Howell
Great show that Neil. Let's run it back tomorrow.