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Elon’s SpaceX Buys Musk’s xAI & Will Bob Iger Actually Leave Disney This Time?
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The Musk Corporate Universe begins & Bob says he's leaving this time, forreal. Maybe.
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Neal Freyman
Good morning, Brew Daily Show. I'm Neal Freyman.
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Toby Howell
And I'm Toby Howell.
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Neal Freyman
Today, why is Elon selling his AI startup to his rocket company?
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Toby Howell
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Neal Freyman
Look, it's been a brutal winter out there in the tundra of New York. Temperatures didn't rise above freezing for nine straight days. The this morning, it's colder here than in Nuke Greenland. In Florida, they've got frozen iguanas falling out of trees. And to top it all off, Phil the groundhog predicted six more weeks of this. And yet there's light at the end of the tunnel. Literally. Over the next 28 days, we gain 77 minutes of daylight. And that's before daylight saving time begins on March 8th.
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Leaving the office and not having it be pitch black is a moment to be celebrated and cherished. I At this rate, you'll be sun tanning in no time. Speaking of rates though, right now we are tracking tacking on 2 minutes and 30 seconds of daylight per day. But that will rise closer to 3 minutes by the end of the month and peak around the March equinox before slowing down in the summer. Never knew that it wasn't a consistent rate. So thank you to the old Farmers Almanac for teaching me that.
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Neal Freyman
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Neal Freyman
That's Sandals.com they're calling it the most ambitious mashup since DJ Earworms United States of Pop 2009. Elon Musk is combining two of his companies, the rocket giant Space X and his AI startup X. AI. The deal which was announced yesterday was marks the collision of two supernovas in Musk's universe. And the term mega merger wouldn't do this justice. Space X and Xi were two of the most valuable private companies in the world and together they'll form the biggest in the deal. Space X is valued at $1 trillion, more than all but 11 public companies, while Xi was valued at 250 billion, also more than most public companies. The combined company will be worth doing some back of the Napkin math here. $1.25 trillion. So what would it accomplish? For according to Elon, the goal is to, quote, form the most ambitious vertically integrated innovation engine on and off earth with AI rockets, space based Internet, direct to mobile device communications, and the world's foremost real time information and free speech platform. But analysts think it mostly comes down to one word, money. Infrastructure for artificial intelligence, if you hadn't heard, is extremely expensive and for that matter, so are rockets. Combining the two would be a tacit acknowledgment by Musk that some of his companies don't make financial sense on their own. And on top of that, Space X and Xi would complement each other nicely to bring data centers to space, a goal Elon said is just a couple of years away. Toby, welcome to the mcu, the Musk corporate universe.
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Toby Howell
The funniest memes that came from this mega merger is the fact that all these reports of Space X were in talks to acquire Xi and everyone's like, who's he talking to? Himself.
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Neal Freyman
Negotiation, right?
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Toby Howell
It's literally Elon negotiating with Elon. But this is a pattern. If you've watched Elon's career over the years, he loves doing this. In 2016, he used Tesla stock to acquire SolarCity, which his cousin was running. Last year he used X to acquire X. So this kind of Russian doll of corporate, you know, maneuvering is something that is an Elon trademark because this is how he likes to run his companies. He loves moving staff and resources in between companies in ways that most other, you know, corporations wouldn't do. So I remember raising reading the Elon Musk biography last year from Walter Isaacson and he brings in Space X engineers to work with the Twitter takeover, which you wouldn't think that those two businesses are very similar. But in the Musk averse, he does like sharing resources like that. And this is another instance, albeit the biggest one ever.
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Neal Freyman
Yeah, he really does love going Kirby mode. As Ryan Mac pointed out on X, that was. This was the third time that Elon Musk has bought Twitter in four years because he bought it for 44 billion by himself, and then he used XI to buy Twitter and then now he's using Space X to buy xi, which also owns Twitter. So that is true. That is the third time in four years. Let's not lose sight of how daringly ambitious this is Axios is. Dan Primack called it one of the most audacious moves in the history of business and tech, arguably betting his empire on the idea of orbital data centers that are powered by the sun, because that is the through line through this Space XI merger. Elon Musk doesn't think that terrestrial data centers are going to do the job in terms of cost, and they're going to run into land regulations and pushback. And he and a bunch of other leaders in the space think that the ultimate future for data centers, that power AI, are going to be in space. And now that's easy to say, but he's. This is the ultimate goal with this, with this $1.25 trillion company, is to build data centers in space, which is truly crazy to think about.
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Toby Howell
Yeah, he thinks that X is going to benefit for the increased compute capacity of sending those data centers up into orbit. He thinks Tesla's ability to manufacture energy storage could actually help speed Space X figure out this data center in space problem. And then he also has talked about using Space X starships to carry Tesla optimus robots to the moon and Mars and beyond as well. So that gives you just another peek into how his brain is working here, what that flywheel might look like. But all of it comes undone if you can't actually put data centers in space, which is still a big if. As much as it makes sense in terms of the fact that there's abundant energy and space up there, it's still a very difficult engineering problem. Some would say. Yeah, to say the least. Elon probably might be the best person to attack that engineering problem. But if he can pull it off, is the big if in this scenario.
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Neal Freyman
You mentioned Tesla, which is kind of a big question mark here, because that's the other big crown jewel in Elon Musk's portfolio of companies. Tesla is not involved in this deal. It's just XI and Space X. There had been rumors that Tesla would be merging with SpaceX and Xai as well. The difference there is Tesla is a public company and when it wouldn't totally be Elon Musk negotiating against himself. X and Space X are private. When you bring Tesla into the picture, there are shareholders, there's Delaware is involved. You know, it gets, it gets to be a lot of paperwork and Tesla is, you know, moving towards a robotics future. It's unclear where all of that this fits in the entire constellation of Elon Musk. But you know, the trend line is convergence as Elon admits himself. So it wouldn't be so crazy to see Tesla folded in there one day. And the one thing we also haven't mentioned is that Space X is planning to IPO later this year because it also needs a lot of fresh capital to do the rocket thing. And I guess that that IPO is going to be the biggest of all time. And then you fold in another $250 billion company into it, it's going to be even bigger than that. Moving on. Yesterday we Talked about new CEOs taking over at Walmart and Target. Now another crown jewel of corporate America is preparing its own succession plans. Disney. This week, Disney's board is going to meet to select a replacement for Bob iger, who's held two stints as Mo chief. First was from 2005 to 2020, then from 2022 until very soon. It appears Disney will hope to avoid repeating its succession debacle from 2020. Back then, Iger handed the keys to the Magic Kingdom to Bob Chapek, a decision he quickly regretted and reversed just three years later, firing his fellow Bob and reinstalling himself as CEO. Now, as he prepares to retire again, Iger is confident Disney will undergo a smoother transition, mostly because of, according to him, how well he's done during his second stint in charge. Iger told cnbc. I think what is noteworthy is that when I came back three years ago, I had a tremendous amount that needed fixing. But thanks to his repair job, the next CEO will be given, quote, a good hand in terms of the strength of the company and a number of opportunities to grow. Disney is indeed clicking on many levels as a new era dawns. Yesterday it reported a solid fourth quarter thanks to surging streaming income and an insanely profitable theme park division that makes more money than Scrooge McDuck. Toby, you can't screw this up twice, can you?
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Toby Howell
You absolutely can screw it up twice. This has been a drag on Disney stock for a while now because succession success and succession has always been a thing that's just been hovering over the company. What do you do? In a post IGER era because the last one went so poorly, it looks like they're going to look internal for candidates. The two leading ones are Josh d', Amaro, who oversees the parks, cruises and consumer products division. And then there's Dana Waldron, who oversees TV and film content. It's not necessarily a two horse race anymore, though. Josh d', Amaro, who is the park leader, is more than likely going to be the heir apparent to Iger because as you said, it's making more money than Scrooge McDuck. The parks business has been the main profit center for Disney for the last decade or so. Even as they've done this big transformation into a streaming giant. People still love going to Disney World. They still love, you know, buying giant turkey legs at concession stands. And we saw that in their last earnings actually, even though park visitors only bumped up 1%, we saw earnings matt division jump over 4%. So people are spending more money when they're, you know, doing a beer tour around Epcot.
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Neal Freyman
Well, they're raising prices. That's one of the main reasons that they're making more money. Disney raised prices at its parks for the fourth straight year and people are still paying up. They did highlight one challenge which was interesting though. International visitation headwinds. They said that fewer people were coming from internationally to parks in the United States. And I guess that has to do with sort of Trump's immigration crackdown. It's an interesting data point there. Let's talk about streaming. You said Disney companies moving into becoming a streaming first company and that unit did absolutely gangbusters last quarter, growing 72%. That's also due to price hikes. Disney has raised prices for Disney plus, Hulu or both in each of the past five years. Now, what's interesting about this is that Disney plus the streaming service was not profitable for many years. It was an absolute money pit. So the fact that they're making about 4,450 million dollars on the streaming service is also good news that they can start squeeze out profits from what had been, you know, a profit loss making area.
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Toby Howell
One thing that I thought was funny too, just a little tidbit, is that Bob Iger brought up Disney's acquisition, 2019 acquisition of 21st Century Fox in this last earnings cycle because they bought 21st Century Fox for $71 billion. And he says it actually compares quite favorably to Warner Brothers Discovery being shopped around for $72 billion. So he is kind of doing like this thing where he's patting his resume a little bit saying like the company's in a great spot as I'm leaving. Like that acquisition that everyone got maybe mad at me for is doing great right now. So definitely something to watch going forward is how this transition is handled. Because they boofed it once, let's see if they both it again. Moving on Christopher Nolan's summer blockbuster isn't the only thing bringing attention to the Odyssey these days. Minivans, including the Honda Odyssey are making a surprise comeback, a resurgence I want to talk about on today's edition of Toby's Trends. Minivan sales in the US nearly topped 400,000 last year, rising 21% from the year prior, doing doughnuts around the broader auto market, which saw just 2% growth. Part of the reason for the big sales of minivans is dudes. Men around 40 years old have historically favored SUVs and trucks, but that image problem is fading and men are buying, especially as Gen X and baby boomers reach grandparents age. Minivans also compete well with SUVs on cost, offering similar cargo capacity for much less money. The average new car price in the US is around $51,000, but you can drive off the lot in a brand new Chrysler Voyager for 40,000 or a Christopher Nolan approved Honda Odyssey for 43,000. Neil I've always been team minivan three row seating space for gear and groceries. You can stick a two by four in there or two to four kids. Glad to see they are making a comeback.
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Neal Freyman
It's just such good bang for your buck. They're really the Boston market. Rotisserie chicken meal of cars. Get a little bit of everything and you're always filled up afterward. In the 1980s and 1990s minivan was absolutely dominant. I my family had one in the 90s I assume yours I was suburban, you were a suburban. So you just like minivans from afar. But then they grew to become less than 2% of the new vehicle market. This comeback that you're talking about has them now at 2.4% market share. It's huge, but I kid but that's actually the highest level since 2019 when it was also at 2.4%. So there has been a resurgence for all the reasons you mentioned.
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Toby Howell
Yeah, that is a good market data point to cite. This is not. You're not seeing half the cars on the road being minivans. 2% is not much. But still I mentioned how guys are more amenable to buying minivans these days and part of it is because of how they've been marketing themselves. They've been Showing companies have been showing minivans with off road tires with, you know, tents in the back, trying to push it towards more of an eventary crowd than more of a family crowd. And that has paid off dividends. Also there's been some facelifts from bigger brands. One of the, the coolest looking ones is the Kia Carnival, which I didn't even know Kia had a minivan that was called the Carnival. A lot of people liken that to a spaceship. It is almost a cross between an SUV and a minivan. So it's kind of a maxi van if you want. But a lot of people are saying this thing looks like something I would want to drive. It doesn't look like the mob mobile of old that, you know, people never wanted to be caught dead in. They're looking cooler and they're selling more units.
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Neal Freyman
And another thing driving the growth of minivans is the gig economy. A lot of gig workers have minivans, whether they're delivering for Amazon, Grubhub or DoorDash. And it's also pretty popular among Uber and Lyft drivers, especially in areas where they're doing a lot of airport runs. Every single time at the airport and I call it Lyft or an Uber, it's always a minivan. It's very easy to fit cargo in there. So good for minivans and the Chrysler Pacifica especially, we didn't even mention it. But that is, that accounts for a quarter of all minivan sales. That's the absolute giant in the room. No offense to the Odyssey.
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Toby Howell
I could see Waymo and some of these other self driving companies start to dip their toe into the minivan.
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Neal Freyman
Waymo has Pacific.
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Toby Howell
They are, they've been using them for robo taxis. There's future fleets could be, you know, much more minivan heavy, which you know, again I'm a fan, I would love to see. All right, we're going to take a quick break and come back with a story about the movies right after this. Cyber attackers these days don't need exploits. They'll just use your allowed tools against you.
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Toby Howell
If you want something done well, do it yourself. That was the thinking that led to the creation of the indie flick Iron Lung, which just grossed more than $22 million at the global box office in its opening weekend. The low budget horror movie was entirely financed by the YouTube legend Mark Fishback, aka Markiplier, and his army of 38 million subscribers. The film is based on a very niche horror video game where you claustrophobically navigate a submarine dubbed the Iron Lung through an ocean of literal blood. To me, that sounds heinous and disgusting. To Markiplier, it sounded like a movie. So he wrote, directed, starred, and eventually plowed nearly $3 million of his own money into bringing it to life. And damn is it living. Despite having no major studio backing it, Iron Lug debuted at number two on box office starts after its theatrical release was expanded to meet excess demand from ravenous fans. Neil People are praising this movie for showing that with a little grit, hard work, and 38 million loyal YouTube subscribers, you too can take on the Hollywood machine and outgrows the melania documentary by $15 million.
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Neal Freyman
Yeah, so it costs $3 million to produce and this movie made over $20 million at the box office. So that is profit for a YouTuber. Meanwhile, it's not being split among enough among more people because he sidesteps the traditional movie studio distribution process. So he's splitting it 5050 with the cinemas. So he's bringing home like $10 million. I mean that is a absolute payday. Absolutely grinded for it though, through just years and years of hard work building that YouTube base to $30 million. It's, it's a remarkable story and it reminds you of someone named Taylor Swift who did something very similar with her eras tour movie sidestep traditional movie studios. Now that movie brought in $93 million, so maybe it's a different bit of.
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Toby Howell
Scale, but in its opening weekend and.
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Neal Freyman
It'S opening weekend so 93 versus 20 million. Still, it is remarkable for someone to leverage their fandom like this. And, and he's hoping that it paves way for more YouTubers or other, other, you know, content creators on the Internet to do the same thing at the traditional box office.
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Toby Howell
This movie is nuts by the way. It is very true to the video game which fans love but unfortunately you, the camera never leaves the iron lung mini sub. So it's a very claustrophobic, it's a one, you know, shot movie essentially. And the other question is, is it a good movie? And that is up for debate because a lot of people says it's clear that Markiplier is a first time movie maker. He probably let the edit get a little too bloated. It runs over two hours. Again, his fans love it because there's little Easter eggs for his fandom. There's Easter eggs to the game itself. So in terms of the market it was created for, it did very well. If you just were to see this as someone who had no idea about the video game or about Markiplier, maybe it's not the best movie.
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Neal Freyman
Yeah, Indiewire's review I thought was fascinating. He said that they said that the director seems to mistake fan loyalty for limitless attention. The result is not self important so much as punishingly sincere punishing lisins here. A movie that believes so deeply in its process that it neglects cinematic momentum. Still, they said this was a very worthwhile project and they really appreciate, appreciated his efforts here. It's also I think big picture. Looking back, we've talked about Gen Z, Millennials, Internet being the death of cinema. But maybe it's. Maybe people want something different. People who went to the movie called it a communal live streaming moment. There was chatter throughout. People were talking and it didn't really matter. Probably similar to what happened during the eras tour movie because this is just a place for people to get together and experience something communally on the live screen that they've experienced on their phones or their laptops for so long. So very cool situation. He was sobbing on this live stream on Sunday night talking about this.
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Toby Howell
I'm not going to see it. Ocean of Blood. I can't get over that part. Sorry. Markiplier.
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Neal Freyman
All right, let's bring to the finish with some final headlines. The US and India have struck a trade deal, according to President Trump and India's Narendra Modi, softening tensions between the two longtime allies. Trump said that tariffs on Indian goods coming to the US will fall to 18% from 50% currently in exchange for India hal its purchases of Russian oil, which anger TRUMP that 50% tariff on many Indian goods was the highest rate for any major trading partner. Prime Minister Modi said he was, quote, delighted about the lower tariff rate, but did not mention Russian oil in his statement. India's stock market and the rupee both popped on the news.
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Toby Howell
Yeah, this always felt like a trade deal that was bound to happen because India sends nearly 20% of its total exports to the U.S. to the U.S. it's a big partner in that region of the world in it makes India a lot more attractive to now as a alternative manufacturing place to China. Capital Economics estimates that its GDP growth after this deal could get a major bump, 0.2 to 0.3 percentage. Bruce India is supposedly like, you know, the growth engine in that region not named China. So this once again kind of brings the US And India a little bit closer together after this deal was struck. Moving on, Trump is creating a piggy bank for rare Minerals and pledging $12 billion to fill. Yesterday, the White House announced the creation of Project Vault, an initiative that is meant to stockpile critical materials like gallium and cobalt that go in everything from phones to drones. The idea is to store some special rocks under the mattress to avoid reliance on China, who is far and away the dominant provider and processor of critical minerals. The project is a public private hybrid with the likes of gm, Boeing, Google and others promising to contribute and buy from the stockpile. Now, this move is definitely tied back to last year to when China squeezed global supply chains by tightening export controls. That served as a wake up call for the US and its allies, leading to the rainy day rock pile that is Project Vault.
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Neal Freyman
It even goes further back than that to the 1970s, when the United States created the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. That's when there was this Arab oil embargo. There was a shortage of gas everywhere. We weren't alive, but the lines at the gas at the gas pump were extremely long. So the United States created this Strategic Petroleum Reserve. This rare earth one is modeled after that. And it's a good opportunity to just zoom out and talk about all the fun strategic reserves there are all across the world because for the past few decades, countries have been stockpiling goods in case of emergencies. And, you know, the goods are not the same across each country. For example, Canada has a strategic butter reserve that can weigh as much as £39 million because you need to have your butter. And then also this is probably the most famous example Canada does have a strategic reserve of maple syrup capable of holding almost £100 million of maple syrup. In case there is an apocalypse, we will. Our pancakes will be, well, syrup. China has a strategic pork reserve. Malaysia has one for frozen fish. And Vietnam, this one was just started at the beginning of the COVID 19 pandemic. Stockpiled 270,000 metric tons of rice.
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Toby Howell
You missed my favorite one, though, which is the kimchi storehouse that South Korea has, because in case, you know, you run out of kimchi, I love how you can just put strategic in front of everything and it just takes on grander importance. Like, I have a strategic lucky charms reserve up in my counter space right now. So strategic food reserves are just always fun to talk about.
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Neal Freyman
Finally, Lunar New Year is coming up in China and everyone's scrambling to buy a toy with a glaring manufacturing error dubbed the Crying Horse on social media, where it's absolutely blowing up. The toy is a plushy horse that was originally supposed to have a smiley face, but after a 180 degree sewing mix up, that smile was turned into a frown. Seller sailors are moving 15,000 units a day as they struggle to meet demand, even after adding a dozen production lines for both the frowny and smiley versions of the horse. Toby. Yes, it's extremely goofy, but there's also something much deeper behind this craze.
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Toby Howell
Yeah, it's a perfect symbol for how a lot of, you know, Chinese people are feeling right now. Where 2026 is the Chinese zodiac sign, it is the fire horse. It's supposed to be all about ambition, growth, passion, etc. But a lot of people are feeling burnt out with wage stagnation amid this 9, 9 6, work culture that is just making people work too hard and just not feel like they're, you know, having a good participation in the economy in a lot of regards. So what is the best way to show that? It is literally a horse that is supposed to embody the year with a frown on its face. So we'll see how long this actual craze last, because if we know thing one thing about collectors in China, they can often boost things up to gigantic hikes. I'm thinking of Labubu before those prices come crashing it down. So we'll see how long the frowny horse kind of remains in the zeitgeist.
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Neal Freyman
Yeah, but I love it because you can do the pair, you can do this highly. And then you can do the frowny. But also, yes, you're right. This is a place. This is a country that also had the number one app be are you dead? Where you had to check in every single day to or every couple of days to make sure you're not dead. But yeah, I need to get my hands on this frowning horse. Looks so funny. That is all the time we have. Thanks so much for starting your morning with us. And have a wonderful Tuesday, which how the heck is it? Only Tuesday is the longest week ever. If you want to get in touch, send an email to Morning Brew daily at Morning Broadcom or DM us on Instagram at Envy Daily Show. Let's roll the credits. Emily Milian is our executive producer. Raymond Lu is our producer. Our associate producers are Olivia Graham and Olivia Lake. Hair is merging with makeup. Devin Emery is our president, and our show is a production of Morning Brewing.
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Toby Howell
Great show, Danielle. Let's run it back tomorrow.