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Fed Holds Rates Steady & 'X' Worth $44B Again?
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Fed isn’t making any sudden changes yet & X is back
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Neal Freyman
Good morning Brew Daily Show. I'm Neal Freyman.
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Toby Howell
And I'm Toby Howell.
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Neal Freyman
Today, Ben and Jerry's is escalating its fight against its parent company, accusing Unilever of removing its CEO Ben.
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Toby Howell
The Fed didn't rock the boat at its meeting yesterday, keeping interest rates steady as they go. It's Thursday, March 20th. Let's ride.
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Neal Freyman
It is a great morning because we have made it to the best day of the year. The storm start of the first round of men's March Madness. Now, I'm sure many of you venmoed 5 of your friends $20 for a bracket challenge without having watched a second of college basketball this year. And that's perfectly normal. But there are still a few hours remaining before the first game tips off if you want to create a more informed bracket. Well, I've got a bracket science major sitting right next to me. You're probably not surprised, but our dear Toby is a two time March Madness bracket champion and he's literally spent spent hours this week poring over strategies and stats to get an edge. And he wants to help you. So Toby, let's hear it. What are some things to keep in mind when filling out a bracket?
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Toby Howell
Oh, I hope I live up to that lofty billing. Okay, a few tips for you guys. Avoid high altitude teams in the tournament. Usually those schools enter with a bit of an inflated record since their home court advantage during the regular season is so outsized. So that means fading teams like byu, Utah State, Colorado State and New Mexico. The other metric I'm looking at this year is the so called kill shot metric created by Evan Miyakawa. A kill shot is when a team goes on a 10 to 0 or better point run. Teams that have this ability to get really hot tend to perform better in March. Finally, be mindful of your pool size. The more people in your pool, the riskier you should be. Same goes, the smaller your pool is, the less risky you should be. You don't need to send McNeese to the final four if there's only 20 people in your office pool. So those are my three tips. Take them or leave them. Do with what you will, but good luck on March Madness. Now a word from our sponsor, Sophos. Neal, what's the worst trade you've ever made?
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Neal Freyman
One time at the middle school lunch table, I was convinced to give up half of my fruit by the foot in exchange for some goldfish. The goldfish were stale and I was swindled.
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Toby Howell
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Neal Freyman
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Toby Howell
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Neal Freyman
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Toby Howell
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Neal Freyman
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Toby Howell
Federal Reserve has gone all noble gas on us because it refuses to react to anything Jerome Powell and the Fed decided to keep interest rates steady at a range of 4.25% to 4.5% during its latest meeting, taking a cautious approach to an economy in a delicate spot, Powell said, we're paying close attention to risks on both sides, keeping inflation under control while supporting jobs and other words. He's trying to strike a balance between fighting inflation and not slowing down the economy's role too much. As for the year ahead, the Fed hinted that they might cut rates twice more, though Powell admitted the outlook is more uncertain now. Just 11 out of 19 Fed officials anticipate those two rate cuts, which is a slimmer margin compared to the 15 policymakers who had projected the same back in December. Still, the market loved the sound of two more rate cuts on the horizon and turned green during Powell's press conference. And less good news, officials said they're expecting inflation to rise this year to 2.7%, up from the two and a half percent they projected in January, with, quote, a good part of that coming from tariffs, according to Powell. Fed officials also said they expect GDP growth of just 1.7%, down from their December projections of 2.1%. With all that uncertainty looming on the horizon, Neal, it makes sense that the Fed kept the ship steady in this latest meeting.
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Neal Freyman
Yeah. Coming into this Fed meeting it was expected that they wouldn't cut rates. But it was still a very closely watched meeting because of what was going on in the economy and markets leading up to these Fed, Fed officials getting together. The market has been flashing some warning signs about a slowing economy. The S&P 500 entered a correction last week. Gold, which is a safe haven, surged to more than $3,000 for the first time. The dollar is down 4% in March on earnings. Earnings calls. Many companies have been warning of, of a consumer spending slowdown. So all of that factored into making Jerome Powell's press conference a verily a very closely watched event on Wall Street. To see what his predictions were for the future for rate cuts, for economic growth and for inflation. We saw from the Fed was that they do expect higher inflation. They do expect lower growth, but still they expect to do two rate cuts this year, which is why you saw the markets gained yesterday and they're also gaining this morning. Yeah.
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Toby Howell
Just some more economic data to paint a fuller picture of just the uncertainty gripping the economy right now. Spending has slowed, but hiring has held relatively steady. The unemployment rate stood at 4.1% in February. That's still historically low. Consumer sentiment, on the other hand, that has taken a bit of a beating. In February it fell the most in four or five years or so. But the economy is still pretty good. Employment is holding up. There's been an injection of uncertainty. But Powell said that he was asked in his press conference yesterday, like do you think a recession is coming? And he says, well, first of all, we don't make proclamations on if we think a recession is coming. But looking at what forecasters have said, those forecasters haven't moved up their, you know, their projection of a recession to a much higher level. So he says that the chance of a severe economic downturn is, is not likely. So again he was kind of cooling tempers of a massive drop off in the economy because he still thinks the fundamentals are there for a pretty strong economy.
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Neal Freyman
And one reason why the Fed is not going to cut rates any time soon is that we have two economic factors kind of balancing themselves out. Lower economic growth would generally support the case for lower rates. Higher inflation would generally support the case for higher rates. So those two are kind of canceling them out. It's kind of like adding plus one and negative one so you get to zero. And that's what said. He's like, these are two factors that we're considering, and they're canceling each other out. So that's why we're just literally doing nothing, sitting on our hands and waiting to see what happens.
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Toby Howell
And I would circle May 7, though, on your calendar. That is the next time the Fed meets. All the April data, all the tariffs that are set to kick in will be illuminated in May. So that is going to be a tone center and an important one for how these policies are actually affecting the economy, because we're still kind of in the early days of some of these more disruptive economic policies.
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Neal Freyman
In further proof that time is a flat circle, the social media site x is worth $44 billion, exactly the same price Elon Musk bought Twitter for in 2022. Investors gave the company that valuation earlier this month when they exchanged existing stakes in what's known as a secondary deal, according to the Financial Times. But it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. X's value plunged as much as 79% below its sale price as recently as last September after advertisers fled the platform over Musk's loosening of content, moderation and brand safety issues. Now, marketing spend is slowly but surely coming back and combined with a much lower headcount, upcoming features and an integration with AI, X's financial outlook doesn't look as bleak as it once did. Profits are looking stable. Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, known as EBITDA, was $1.2 billion in 2024, about equal with the period before Musk brought the company. Toby it' that reports of X's death were greatly exaggerated. But is this a healthy platform?
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Toby Howell
It's getting healthier. It is about the journey is not about the destination. Because you the Financial Times talked to some people familiar with X's finances and they said that, yeah, this is Elon Musk cost cutting plan in action. The company is, you know, a lot healthier with a lot smaller workforce, is a lot more efficient. But then another person they talked to said that the EBITDA figure was, quote, wildly adjusted. So there's probably two sides of this coin. Maybe the $1.2 billion figure that you mentioned isn't, as, you know, legit, as you might say. It is, according to some people familiar with the situation. But the move has definitely improved. Part of the reason is is that Elon Musk gave a 25% stake in Xi to investors of the social media company last year. So that has kind of attracted this higher valuation when you have this AI portion attached to it. But then advertisers are coming back as well. I mean Amazon has started boosting marketing spending spend recently. You have seen a lot of these advertisers come back as Elon has deepened his relationship with the current administration as well. So I do think there's a lot of signs of positivity, even if maybe that $44 billion figure is more symbolic because you know, it is dead on exactly what Elon paid.
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Neal Freyman
And yeah, you're right. X is also progressing in Elon's vision to create a Everything app. Elon Musk, for decades has wanted to create an everything app similar to a WeChat in China where you can do from post on social media to send payments. And that payments part is a part of what X is going to roll out. It is teaming up with Visa for a for a feature called X Money where you can have an in app wallet and you can send peer to peer payments. Linda Yakarina announced that last week and said that was going to be rolling out later this year. So the everything app vision is slowly progressing as well.
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Toby Howell
Yeah, and I do think one ace in the hole is that they have xai, which is, you know, obviously has a chat bot in Grok, but so they think that they can use that technology to boost its ads offering. So I think even though there is this vision for this Everything app, they want to spend a lot of time pushing their subscription product. I do think maybe ads on X will become a thing again if you can kind of use your AI to build a better platform than it existed in the past. Ben and Jerry's and A Unilever are looking like they're on a rocky road after the ice cream brand accused its parent company of firing its CEO for refusing to, quote, oversee the dismantling of its progressive values. Unilever told Ben and Jerry's board earlier in March that it was planning to remove David Stever, who led the company for nearly two years. And it's Ben and Jerry's contention that it was because Stever allowed the ice cream maker to speak out on certain political issues. To Ben and Jerry's, that seemed like a half baked plan since it went against an agreement signed when the company's merged all the way back in 2000 to set up an independent board meant to protect the ice cream brand's mission. The whole thing stinks like fish food too, because according to the chair of its independent board, Ben and Jerry's has, quote, delivered strong Financial results far outpacing the rest of Unilever's ice cream business. Zoom out. And this has been a far from happy pairing since their 2000 merger in 2021. Tensions arose after Ben and Jerry's announced it would stop selling its product in the West Bank. And in November, Ben and Jerry's sued Unilever, accusing it of silencing its statements in support of Palestinians. So this latest escalation of the suit is the Cherry Garcia on top of a tumultuous relationship between the two companies.
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Neal Freyman
These two have mixed like oil and water or maybe bacon and strawberry ice cream. You have Unilever, which is a UK consumer goods giant. It owns things like Dove, Axe, Hellman's and Vaseline. And then you have Ben and Jerry's, which is this, you know, upstart, very progressive minded ice cream brand out of Vermont that was bought by Unilever in 2000 to improve its stable of ice cream brands. And these two just can't stop fighting. I'm sure there's a lot of buyers remorse and it looks like Unilever could get Ben and Jerry's off of its hands if it wants to because it is aiming to spin off its ice cream business, which is huge and includes five of the top selling 10 ice cream brands in the entire world in an Amsterdam stock listing sometime this year. So it probably is accelerating those efforts after this latest legal complaint by Ben and Jerry's.
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Toby Howell
I mean, you said buyer's remorse, but it's not necessarily on a Unilever side because Ben and Jerry's has performed incredibly well within their portfolio because in 2024, according to Unilever's own presentation on its financial performance, Ben and Jerry's grew faster than most of its ice cream brands, including its Magnum brand, which is another one of its high end ice cream products. So financially this deal has gone very well. But you know, socially and politically they are, they're clashing a little bit and also a lot of it. Yeah. And I will say too, it's not like Unilever is in a great spot either. They just fired its own CEO last month and replaced them to turn around this turn to speed up this turnaround process that they've been doing. I do think this move to spin off its ice cream business, I don't know, I don't know if it's going to save the company, but at least it's going to, you know, provide some clarity on the direction of what this giant CPG is actually doing. So potentially this, this unhappy marriage could be, you know, annulled by the end of the year if Ben and Jerry's is spun off in that Amsterdam listing, as you mentioned. Up next. Oh boy, we made it. It is time for Neil's numbers. Have you taken our Morning Market Trivia quiz yet?
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Neal Freyman
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Toby Howell
Feature if sneak peek. Here's one of the questions right from the quiz. Which of the following is not a major index? A nifty 50, b s p 500, c dk xi 40 or d nikkei 225?
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Neal Freyman
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Toby Howell
Oh, I got 11 out of 15.
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Neal Freyman
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Neal Freyman
Welcome to Neil's Numbers, the segment where I share three stats from the week's news that will feel like the first day of spring after a long winter. And I mean literally. Today is the first day of spring for my first number, Volkswagen has a booming business on its hands. But it's not cars. It's sausage. Last year, according to a works council report, Volkswagen sold nearly as many sausages as cars 8.5 million sausages to 9 million vehicles across all its brands. Volkswagen makes sausage? Heck yeah, they do. Curry? Worse, to be specific, a staple of the German diet when combined with fries. VW began serving currywurst to employees and locals around its wolfsburg headquarters in 1973, and it's blossomed into a huge business. Now the company sells sausage to tens of thousands of workers at its German factories, fans at the Wolfsburg football stadium and in supermarkets around the country. But while the hot dog business is soaring, Volkswagen's car business is floundering. Last week IT reported a 3% decline in vehicle sales and a 30% drop in net profits. In 2024, the largest employer in Germany, VW, has proposed up to 35,000 job cuts and closing some German factories in an unprecedented move to cut costs. Toby Pretty mind blowing that Volkswagen sells more currywurst than cars bearing the VW logo. Let's just hope they're not using the same grills.
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Toby Howell
It's so emblematic of or the same oil for that matter. It's so emblematic of everything that's going on in VW right now that their sausages are outperforming their cars. First, I have two things to say about this. One, I encourage you to go look it up because they look very delicious, especially a nice little sear on the outside. So that is delicious. But then two, they're promising more innovation down the pipeline. They also have been rolling out their VW branded spice ketchup. They sold a few in the US last year, but I think they are going to expand the reach of that. So pairing some VW Liverworth or Currywurst with some VW spice ketchup, I think that's going to hit hard at a summer barbecue.
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Neal Freyman
For my next number, the French Bulldog has done what Patrick Mahomes couldn't by going back to back to back. For the third year in a row, the Frenchie is the US's most popular purebred dog, according to an annual ranking from the American Kennel Club. After the French Bulldog, the most popular breeds are Labrador retrievers, golden retrievers, German Shepherds and poodles rounding out the top five. But there's one dog that's come out of nowhere to make a claim as an alpha, the Cane Corso. This strong and athletic breed, which served as a Roman war dog and later a boar hunter, has surged in popularity, rising from nearly 50th on the list last year to 14th this year. The AP notes that the American Kennel Club rankings have been accused by animal welfare activists of pumping up the visibility of certain breeds and supercharging puppy mills. The AKC responds that it just documents and doesn't promote dog ownership trends. Toby can anyone take down the Frenchie?
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Toby Howell
This is crazy. I had no idea Frenchies were so popular. That being said, their popularity is actually waning. There's been less sold year over Year over year for the past three years. I do think the kennel club said like, hey, this is a voluntary registration process, so the amount of Frenchies out there still might be doing just fine. But I can't believe how far ahead of the lab it was. If you had asked me before seeing this list, like, what is the most popular dog, I definitely would have gone with a golden retriever or a lab like that. But they logged just 58,000 new registrations. Last year there were nearly 74,000 Frenchies log. So it's just leaps and bounds ahead of its next closest competitor.
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Neal Freyman
The lab was was the most popular breed for a very long time until the Frenchie has overtaken in the past few years due to popularity in social media. They just, you know, look good on an Instagram.
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Toby Howell
They look so good on Instagram reel. They're very funny. They're very low maintenance too. Well, some of them are. It depends on which, you know, dog you have. But they don't require a ton of exercise, they don't shed that much, and obviously they're very Instagrammable. All of those three things combined to make this one of the, you know, the most popular dog in the US the past year.
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Neal Freyman
For my last number, a student manager signed a name, image and likeness deal for the first time in history. Amir Khan, who was the student manager for the McNeese State men's college basketball team, signed not one, but three nil deals this week with major brands. Buffalo Wild Wings, Tick Pic and Insomnia Cookies. Khan is no ordinary manager. Along with his regular duties of wiping sweat off the court and rebounding during warm ups, he is a rap legend. Last month a video went viral showing Khan rapping a song alongside the team's players while leading them out of the tunnel, boombox strapped over his shoulder. His star rose quickly from there, amassing a large following on social media and selling T shirts with his photo on them. Toby we are in a new era of college sports where previously anonymous people can instantly monetize overnight fame through nil deals. We saw this happen last March with Oakland sharpshooter Jack Golke. And as the tournament gets going today, expect more to come.
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Toby Howell
This guy is a legend, Neal. His nickname is Ara and I think it fits him perfectly. His Mickey State bio says if they kept manager stats for rebounding and wiping up wet spots, I'd put up Wilt Chamberlain numbers. How about this to his deals are actually performance based. So for every NCAA tournament game that made me swings, his paycheck goes up. So the man literally has win bonuses like a player does. So he's just an absolute legend. And I do think it is the future right now. I mean Jack Gorky is the perfect emblematic of it that a lot of people probably don't even remember what he looks like at the time. But during March Mattis he was signing deal after deal after deal. He signed with Buffalo Wild Wings as well. So you're seeing these like unspoken agreement that the brands know that this is five minutes of fame. The person knows it's five minutes of fame, but might as well cash in on it while you know the attention is is there as the men's tournament for March Madness tips off today, you may still be looking at an empty bracket with no real concept on how to fill it out. Is it Duke's year? Is the SEC that good? The questions overwhelm your underdeveloped college basketball mind, so you turn to a familiar companion for some guidance AI. But it may not be as adept at winning your office bracket pool as it is at revising emails for you. An Axios reporter put some of the major AI chat bots out there to test to see if they could fill out a winning bracket, but most couldn't even fill out a legal one. Google's Gemini 2.0 Flash picked the first round games well enough, but created impossible second round matchups. Anthropics Claude did great until the final four where it hallucinated the semifinal games chat CBT actually got a bracket fully filled out on its first try, but picked every single favorite along the way. Still, some people within the AI industry are bullish that AI is ready to cut down the nets. One CEO is running a $1 million March Madness bracket challenge that claims his AI can outperform one of those nation's top sports gamblers. We're not a crystal ball, says Alan Levy, the head of 4C predictions who is running this challenge, but it's going to start to get very, very creepy. Who is the AI backing Houston to win it all, says Levy, while Sean Perry the gambler is going with Duke. Neal how long until our March Madness pools are just AIs picking against other eyes?
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Neal Freyman
I think it's happening this year. I think a lot of people are probably turning to AI to help fill out their brackets because it's a crapshoot as it is. You know, maybe you think differently with your whole kill shot metric, but I'm sure a lot of people listening to this are like, yeah, I have used AI to help fill out my bracket. Or hey, that's a good idea. I have six hours left. The game tips off at 12:15. Maybe I'll turn to AI and if you're going to do that I have some tips because I asked Chachi beat like doofus. I said who's going to win March Madness this year? And ChatGPT replied, I can't predict the future, but I can tell you that NCAA March Madness is always full of surprises. So if you give a vague prompt like that you will get a vague response because it is going to hedge. You need to be a little more specific with your query. So the Axios reporter said something along the lines of I'm looking for help filling out a 2025 NCAA men's basketball bracket and wondering who you would pick for each game. I'm attaching a blank bracket to help, so attaching a PDF Please tell me who you predict to win each game. Then ChatGPT might say all of the favorites but that you have to go a little further and push it and say can you do some deep research around the web and incorporate some upsets into your predictions? Maybe you could say incorporate this strategy. I really like this team. So if you push it a little bit, you may get a bracket that looks pretty good or something that would rival anything that you could come up.
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Toby Howell
With or just do individual matchups. Just say like look at all the data and tell me like who is.
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Neal Freyman
Going to have work this morning.
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Toby Howell
I know what this is work. I mean that's, let's be honest, we'll take a little bit of a half day today. But I do think also March Madness has always been kind of this proving ground and coming out party for a lot of tech. I mean probably the biggest one that comes to mind is streaming. March Madness with its crazy amount of games was great for kind of ushering in and test and being a testing ground for the streaming era. And this year AI companies are kind of capitalizing in as well. OpenAI has actually said like hey, use us to try to fill out your bracket. And then Perplexity is incorporating odds from the prediction market, Kalshi and its platform. So they're definitely leaning in this year because you're right, a lot of people are probably staring at a bracket going I don't know how to, how to even who's who's McNie State. I do think though that the true AI that we should all rely on is just that Corgi on social media that hits the ball with his nose into one basket or the other. I trust that Corgi more than I trust, you know, Chatbot or anything else out there.
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Neal Freyman
Well, whatever strategy you choose, we hope you have a wonderful bracket filling out experience. I haven't filled out any brackets, so I need to get on that this morning as well. Okay, let's wrap it up there. Thanks so much for starting your morning with us and have a wonderful Thursday. For any questions, comments or feedback for us, send an email to Morning Brew daily at Morning Broadcom. And if you love the show, don't keep it to yourself. Share it with a friend, family member, or co worker. Toby who should everyone share it with today?
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Toby Howell
I want you to share the podcast with someone who didn't pick Duke to win this year. There's not a lot of you out there, but I could see maybe a Florida or an Auburn fan sneaking in there. Heck, maybe even Gonzaga. For all the true ball knowers, there.
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Neal Freyman
Is no way I can pick you. There's just no way.
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Toby Howell
Fair enough.
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Neal Freyman
Sorry. Even if they win, I will not pick them up. It is. It is my principle. Okay, let's roll the credits. Emily Milian is our executive producer. Raymond Lu is our producer. Olivia Graham and Olivia Lake our associate producers. Uchenawa Ogu is our technical director. Scoop Star Darius is on audio, hair and makeup is on Yale. Upset Watch today. Deb Kevin Emery is our chief content officer and our show is a production of Morning Brew.
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Toby Howell
Great show today, Neil. Let's run it back tomorrow.