Morning Joe | August 22, 2025

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How State-Level Redistricting Battles Are Shaping U.S. Democracy – California’s Democratic Congressional Map, Gerrymandering ‘Arms Race’, and Broader Political Fallout

Overview

This episode centers on the escalating redistricting confrontations between major U.S. states, notably California and Texas, and the national implications for American democracy. The hosts and guests break down California’s new Democratic-drawn congressional map—pending voter approval—designed as a direct counter to recent aggressive Texas GOP redistricting. The discussion explores whether this is a democratic power play or necessary retaliation, the consequences for moderates in Congress, and potential backlash against both parties. Complementing the main topic, the episode touches on Trump administration pressures on the Smithsonian, legal updates involving Trump, and notable stories in the political and cultural sphere.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Redistricting Arms Race: Texas & California

• Texas:

  • Long-serving Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett will retire if the new GOP map (merging his district) stands. (03:14)
  • The GOP-drawn map is seen as a move to protect fragile Republican majorities.

• California:

  • Democratic legislature passes a new redistricting plan aiming to flip five Republican House seats, offsetting Texas gains. The change sunsets after 2030.
  • Gov. Gavin Newsom frames this as fighting fire with fire, responding to Trump’s pushing for political advantage in Texas. He emphasizes the move is necessary due to national stakes.

  “We’re responding to what occurred in Texas, we’re neutralizing what occurred and we’re giving the American people a fair chance...” – Gavin Newsom (04:30, paraphrased by host)

• Host & Panel Context:

  • Many Democrats uneasy but resigned: the redistricting ‘good government’ era is over in the Trump era.
  • Claire McCaskill:

    “We have been the party of trying to clean up gerrymandering... But Donald Trump being behind it makes it popular…” (06:15)

    • California’s proud of its “donor state” role but is exasperated by federal inequity and the Trump administration’s policies.

2. Gerrymandering’s Toll on Democracy

• Arms Race & Public Discontent:

  • Both Dems and GOP now admit redistricting is “raw partisan,” abandoning nonpartisan pretenses.
  • Eugene Robinson:

    “It’s not what the majority of Americans want... poll after poll, voters are telling us they would rather this was done in a non-political, nonpartisan way.” (07:49)

  • Wall Street Journal op-ed cited: both parties honest about motives, but it’s “a race to the bottom.”

• Legal Backdrop:

  • Carlos Curbelo:

    “The Supreme Court has basically said this is fine... On its face, all congressional districts ought to be drawn in the fairest possible way. That’s not going to happen, and it would be political malpractice, I think, for Democrats not to play the game at this point.” (09:38)

  • Supreme Court allows partisan gerrymandering but not racial gerrymandering.

• Consequences for Moderates:

  • Redistricting likely to squeeze out moderates, exacerbating polarization.
  • Eugene Robinson:

    “It is those moderate members… who win the House. If New York State gets redistricted... you have no more moderates in the House of Representatives. Is that what happens?” (11:18)

• Unique California Context:

  • Top-two primary system and “sunset” of the new map may mitigate extremes somewhat.
  • Some speculation competitive seats might actually force broader appeal among candidates.

3. Trump’s Narrative on Mail-In Ballots and Democratic Legitimacy

• Donald Trump’s Claims: (13:47)

  “Biggest thing we can do it’s bigger even than the reapportionment… The mail in ballots, the system is so corrupt. The Democrats, the only way they're going to win is mail in ballots... I think I would have won California.” – Donald Trump (13:47)

• Fact-checks:

  • Jonathan Lemire: Trump lacked legal authority and never proved fraud.
  • Claire McCaskill:

    "There’s never been fraud proved… He is training the Republican Party to not do mail in ballots. And that gives a distinct advantage to the Democrats.” (14:34)

• Redistricting and Partisan Shifts:

  • Not all new districts will be safe—some could become more competitive, possibly surprising both parties.

4. Political Culture & Historical Narrative Battles: The Smithsonian Controversy

• Trump Administration Pressure:

  • WH official Lindsey Halligan pushes for Smithsonian museum exhibits to de-emphasize slavery, focus on “hope and progress” (17:29).

    “Slavery is obviously a horrible aspect... but you can’t really talk about slavery… unless you also talk about hope and progress… We need to stop focusing so much on the lack of progress.” – Lindsey Halligan (18:35)

• Pushback from Panel:

  • Carlos Curbelo:

    "To align the Smithsonian museums with Donald Trump’s view of history would be ahistorical, and frankly, it would be obscene... The idea that there was slavery and then all of a sudden, the Civil War expiated all sins and everything became... roses, and it's just ridiculous.” (19:37)

  • Eugene Robinson highlights museum's honest but ultimately “joyful journey” through African American history.

• Political Calculations:

  • Carlos Curbelo:

    “…The more Donald Trump tries to grow this power footprint… the more you’re going to get people answering that they want a check on this president.” (23:32)

5. Legal Roundup: Trump Fraud Penalty & DOJ Roles

• Trump’s Civil Fraud Penalty Overturned (NY):

  • Appeals panel calls $515 million penalty "excessive," but confirms occurrence of fraud and upholds non-monetary sanctions.
  • Lisa Rubin (Legal Analyst):

    “There are four judges here who thought the theory of the case... was not only a valid theory, but... ample proof of at least some of it for some periods of time.” (39:51)

• Potential Outcomes:

  • Messy, divided opinion; New York's highest court will have the final say after a slow process.
  • Dave Aronberg:

    “This was a big victory for Trump. Not total victory though... the court kept finding of fraud and allowed the non monetary sanctions to continue.” (43:17)

• Alina Habba Appointment Ruling:

  • Federal judge rules Trump loyalist Habba unlawfully serving as NJ’s top federal prosecutor; DOJ may appeal; her tenure post-July 1 may be declared void.

6. Other Notable Moments & Stories

• NYC Politics:
  • Ongoing scandal: envelope-cash gifts at Adams’s events; broader concerns over corruption and Chinese influence. (35:00)
• Cultural Notes:
  • Drop in U.S. leisure reading, “Library of Things” in Maine, Cracker Barrel and Notre Dame logo changes (29:40–32:56).
• Alligator Alcatraz Ruling:
  • Florida migrant detention center must halt expansion, may face shutdown over environmental law violations; “the cruelty was always the point,” said Dave Aronberg. (49:48)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Claire McCaskill on Democrats’ Redistricting Turn:

  “We have been the party of trying to clean up gerrymandering… But Donald Trump being behind it makes it popular.” (06:15)

• Eugene Robinson on Gerrymandering Honesty:

  “Both sides are saying this is an arms race. We have to do this to protect our majority... But the reality is that... Republicans have more ammunition.” (08:54)

• Carlos Curbelo on Historical Whitewashing:

  “To align the Smithsonian museums with Donald Trump’s view of history would be ahistorical, and frankly, it would be obscene … It would be a denial of our history.” (19:37)

• Lisa Rubin on Trump Legal Mess:

  “There are four judges here who thought the theory of the case... was not only a valid theory, but...ample proof of at least some of it for some periods of time.” (39:51)

• Dave Aronberg on ‘Alligator Alcatraz’:

  “They wanted the show… the cruelty was always the point.” (49:48)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:14 – 07:00: Texas/California redistricting confrontation
• 07:46 – 11:50: The gerrymandering ‘arms race’ and democratic decay
• 13:47 – 16:53: Trump attacks mail-in ballots; down-ballot effects
• 17:29 – 23:32: Smithsonian ‘content review’ and political use of history
• 39:51 – 44:40: Trump’s civil fraud penalty overturned; legal whiplash
• 46:48 – 48:47: Alina Habba, DOJ appointment legality, and effect on cases
• 49:48 – 50:50: Alligator Alcatraz detention center ruling
• 35:00 – 37:04: NYC ‘cash-in-chips’ campaign scandal
• 29:40 – 32:56: Declining U.S. reading and logo controversies

Conclusion

This Morning Joe episode delivers a comprehensive, candid conversation about America’s deepening state-level political warfare—with redistricting as the new frontline. The panel underscores the peril to competitive elections and democratic legitimacy, but notes both parties feel compelled to escalate as norms give way to raw power struggle. With the nation’s legal, cultural, and historical narratives also in the crosshairs, the episode paints a portrait of American democracy under stress—but with moments of straight talk, cautious optimism about resilience, and even humor amid the storm.