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China’s Xi hosts Putin and Modi at regional summit
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Nicole Wallace
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Mika Brzezinski
Today.
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Pablo Torre
No federal troops in the city of Chicago.
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Joe Scarborough
No militarized force in the city of Chicago. We're going to defend our democracy in the city of Chicago. We're going to protect the humanity of every single person in the city of Chicago.
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Willie Geist
The mayor of Chicago at a rally yesterday. It comes after a holiday weekend marked by gun violence in the city with more than 50 people shot.
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Joe Scarborough
We all want the dignity of people in Chicago protected. 54 people shot this weekend in Chicago. Seven killed. I mean, and those numbers just keep piling up.
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Willie Geist
Also ahead, we'll bring you the latest from Beijing. Following yesterday's summit, the leaders of China, Russia and India. Back here at home, President Trump seems to be playing to his base, questioning the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine. It comes amid chaos at the CDC with several high profile resignations in response to the Trump administration's vaccine skepticism.
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Joe Scarborough
You know what's interesting here is I don't know, could we put that, that back up again? And so Trump tells drug makers to, quote, justify the success of COVID meds after the FDA limits vaccine approval. I do wonder if this isn't actually him saying to the drug makers, tell them what I did right, like how wrong they are. And what, because he's not going to sacrifice Operation Warp Speed, Willie. I mean, he knows, he hears, you know, even his Democratic friends, he hears scientists, he hears people, media saying this was an extraordinary success. So it's kind of like, yeah, God, please tell me, was this a success.
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Mika Brzezinski
Or not objectively a success that saves us objectively countless lives. And he's been touting it lately in that cabinet meeting last week, went on a long rant about the success of Operation Warp Speed. And he was right to do that. And now he has to be. He has to have it both ways. When he's talking to certain groups, he has to sort of toe the Bobby Kennedy Jr. Line that, well, it might be tied, it might to problems, but maybe he does want an organization to come back and say, yes, it works. Yes, this was a success, and have somebody else say it for him.
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Joe Scarborough
I mean, the crazy thing is, are you really going to let this guy who's been engaging in pseudoscience past 20 years undermine what really should be seen as his greatest presidential accomplishment? I mean, in terms of opening up business, opening up society, opening up the world, saving millions of lives, saving billions, billions of dollars. I mean, and he's going to. I find it hard to believe he's going to let Bobby Kennedy Jr. Trash the legacy as much as Bobby Kennedy Jr. Is trying to trash that legacy right now.
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Mika Brzezinski
And that is what he's doing. He's now packed that panel of vaccine experts who aren't necessarily experts and don't have any medical experience, but are skeptics. Along with Bobby Kenned. They make up that panel so they can make these outlandish claims about vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, and as you say, tarnish the legacy of President Trump.
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Joe Scarborough
Yeah.
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Willie Geist
And we're gonna go through the highly anticipated debut of Bill Belichick in college football.
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Joe Scarborough
Now, I was voting for the University.
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Willie Geist
Of North Carolina along with Joe.
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Joe Scarborough
You know who else I was suiting for?
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Willie Geist
Who?
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Joe Scarborough
Alabama.
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Willie Geist
Oh, you know what? That went terribly.
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Joe Scarborough
That, that went about as. That went terribly bad as it could have gone. But really, here's the deal. There was a coach that got fired in, in the German soccer league after three games. They just knew he wasn't going to succeed. And I'm sorry, but said it to Paul Feinbaum, even after we beat Georgia last year in that game, doesn't look good. Doesn't. You know, and if you take away that Georgia game where we came back, he's five and five since then, DeBoer. And he's lost to as many unranked opponents in a year and one game as Saban did during his entire tenure at Alabama. He doesn't fit there. He's a nice guy. I wish him well at, you know, Dubuque A and M or whatever, but he's not. We've talked about. He's not an SEC coach.
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Mika Brzezinski
Paul Feinbaum was on TV last night talking about just the panic in Crimson Tide Nation about this team and about this coach. But that deboer has a $70 million buyout paid off. We got the check. They don't want to have to.
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Joe Scarborough
Oh, my goodness. But it's going to cost them a lot more to keep losing contracts. I mean, I mean, the thing is, I mean, they were stupid to give it, but it's like after the first season, Saban was 6 and 6. And I remember Fein Bomb saying, oh, well, I bet you wish he hadn't come. And I go, no, he I'm glad it's not about the wins and the losses. It's looking at the kids when they're on the field, do they ready to play. And they were always ready to play under, under, save. And they just aren't here.
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Mika Brzezinski
Florida State was 2 and 10 last year. Now much better this year based on.
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Joe Scarborough
The way they played the other day.
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Mika Brzezinski
That quarterback is really good, the transfer. But still, that's a game as an Alabama fan, you fully expect to go in and win.
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Joe Scarborough
Yeah. And our guys look confused. Constantly on offensive, defensive defense was an aggressive week. I know people want to hear this off the top of the show. And also they look scared. The quarterback looks scared. Not a good sign.
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Willie Geist
No. So along with Willie Joe and me, we have us special correspondent for BBC News and the host of the Rest is Politics.
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Joe Scarborough
She was angry about the game, too.
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Willie Geist
Gary Kay is with us and columnist and associate editor for the Washington Post, David Ignatius joins us. Good to have you both this morning. Let's get started, shall we? Russian President Vladimir Putin met with Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at a summit in China yesterday. As the New York Times reports, it was a scene almost certainly intended for an audience on the other side of the world. The leaders of China, Russia and India, the three largest powers not aligned with the west, smiling and laughing like good friends as they greeted each other. Analysts told the paper the friendliness between Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin was meant to convey a close bond between them as leaders of an alternative world order challenging the United States. The paper continues. Mr. Modi sought to show that India has other important friends, including China, regardless of an unresolved border dispute if the Trump administration chooses to continue alienating New Delhi with tariffs. Meanwhile, China will mark Japan's defeat in World War II with a massive military parade tomorrow. NBC News correspondent Janice McIfraer has more from Beijing.
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Janice Mekhi
Mika, it will be an historic gathering here for this military parade which will show off China's latest missiles, fighter jets and hardware, as well as its geopolitical clout with the leaders of Russia, North Korea, Iran and others joining Chinese leader Xi Jinping. This is the first time the leaders of those four countries are going to be appearing together. Now. The parade is meant to commemorate the 80th anniversary of the end of world war war II and the surrender of Japan. And it also looks to reshape the narratives around it with respect to China's contributions. Western diplomats and dignitaries are largely avoiding it. Slovakia is the only NATO state attending because of Russian president Vladimir Putin. He's among the guests, and he has been in the spotlight here for the past several days. Putin had a bilateral meeting today with Xi Jinping, where they declared again how close their strategic partnership is. And on the war anniversary, Putin told Xi, quote, were always together then, and we remain together now. At the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit in Tianjin, Putin appeared to be among friends. He mingled with other leaders. He held hands with Indian prime minister Narendra Modi before they took a long car ride together. And the idea seemed to be to project an image of friendship among these SCO states as an alternative to a world order dominated by the U.S. but all of it has been helping Putin ease his political isolation since meeting with President Trump about Ukraine. Putin publicly blamed NATO for the war and didn't say anything about ceasefire talks, even though there was a deadline to do so. Now, the parade they'll all be at, it's China's largest ever, and the security is intense. Roads and schools are closed. People living near the parade route aren't allowed to leave their homes or even look out the window. Rehearsals have involved more than 40,000 personnel. It's going to go right through Tiananmen Square, past Xi, Putin and Kim, who could well be standing side by side. According to North Korean state media, Kim is on his way. He's arriving by armored train. President Trump has also talked about wanting to meet Kim this year. So this show of force tomorrow in Beijing will be very closely watched by the US because it will also be its own show of unity.
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Willie Geist
Mika NBC's Janice Mekhi. Freya, with that report, it's like a.
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Joe Scarborough
Scene out of Austin Powers. What are they going to do, ship in Idiomine's bones next? I mean, it's like, who's not going there? That's oppressing, you know, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people, gangs all.
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Mika Brzezinski
There, and Kim Jong un being the last arriving by train. And they'll all be standing side by side. I mean, you literally had Putin and Modi holding hands yesterday. Clearly this meeting a shot at President Trump, who, by the way, the number of drone attacks since that summit at Anchorage between President Trump and President Putin have doubled. He's only stepped up the war since that summit.
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Joe Scarborough
It's been absolutely savage. At what point the us you wonder? At what point the US Senate steps in and says, enough, we're going to pass this bill, Mr. President, we need you to come along with us on it. How long till the President says to the Senate, all right, go ahead. I mean, clear, clearly, clearly Putin thumbing his nose at the United States of America. So David Ignatius, you can go back to Nixon going to China to, to Deng Xiaoping going to Mika's parents farmhouse in 79 for the normalization of, of relations with China. But it's always been a triangulation. The United States and China balances against the old Soviet Union or maybe the US And Russia balancing against a growing China. There's always been the idea we're going to triangulate two of each other. And the wild card in there and growing in power every year was always India. And India was a great balance against China's rise. So the prospect of seeing, for those that don't follow the geopolitical moves closely over the decades, the fact that all three of them are lined up right now against the United States. Tell me, first of all, tell me your thoughts on the consequences of that. And secondly, what does the United States need to do? What does the President need to do? What do we need to do to break that up and again, sort of get a rebalancing of the formula. It's worked for 50 years, Joe.
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David Ignatius
I thought that the summit at Tianjin was a significant setback for the United States. The image of Vladimir Putin holding hands with the leader of India, Narendra Modi, was a sign that Putin is getting away with it. That three years into this war he is now claiming this was the West's fault. And he has an audience of prominent world leaders who agree with him, including somebody who was a key person in America's efforts to create a new kind of informal partnership to contain China, namely India. India's repositioning toward Russia and China reverses diplomacy that's been conducted since the administration of George W. Bush at least. And it's a really significant setback in terms of the broader outlook for Trump's foreign. He's now looking at failures or lack of success in each of the major diplomatic initiatives that he undertook. The Ukraine war is still far from settled and Russia is essentially thumbing its nose at President Trump. The Gaza war continues in a bloodier than ever direction that has got Israel divided against itself. Just a terrible situation for Israel and the Palestinians both. And Trump seemingly unable to make his peace policies. One of the central things he ran on. I'm going to go make peace to make those policies work. And this weekend summit was a symbol of just how tough the obstacles to him succeeding in foreign policy have become.
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Mika Brzezinski
Kadi, the war in Ukraine is front and center, obviously. Tariffs also in the mix, 50% tariffs from the United States placed on India, in some ways driving Modi to that photo op where he's holding hands with Putin and that incredible, extraordinary show of support for Vladimir Putin, as he, as David points out, steps up the war in Ukraine right now. So what is the message this group of leaders, yesterday and through the week at this military parade, is trying to send to President Trump?
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Caddy
Look, I mean, it takes something to get the Indian prime minister to look like he's being cozy with the Chinese leader. It takes something also for the Japanese to be talking to the Chinese, which is another thing that has happened recently. And that something is Donald Trump, that he is pushing people who would not necessarily be allies around the world into alliances with each other in order to enact a show of force against Donald Trump. I mean, when it comes to the war in Ukraine, the war in Ukraine suits the host of this summit, China, very well. They would like to have America's attention split between Ukraine and Europe and Asia, and not be fully focused on Asia. So Chairman Xi has no interest other than keeping the war in Ukraine going, which is why he's sending missile parts and weapons parts, not weapons necessarily themselves, but weapons parts to Russia. But I guess, David, the question is, what does Donald Trump do in reaction to this show of force? He's already had the Europeans come over and say, okay, we are actually united, President Trump. We're not going to be. You can't split ranks between us now. He's got the Asians effectively saying the same thing. What does Trump make of what he's seeing in China?
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David Ignatius
So Trump set a deadline for peace in Ukraine for early this month, and he's got to do something in response to his own deadline. He either has to find a new way to put pressure on Vladimir Putin. That's unlikely. Putin's very dug in. Or he has to really embrace Europe's effort to stand with Ukraine against Russian aggression. That'd be a significant move. Or, and maybe this is most likely, he's going to decide to walk away. I tried, you know, I've done my best. That's it. I'm out of here. Which would be a terrible embarrassment for him, not to say a real moral quandary for the United States, which has helped Ukraine resist this Russian aggression. Similarly, with the war in Gaza, he's got to complete the policies that he began. And I think that's the, I would say that the biggest failure of his foreign policy is execution. He's had some big ideas, but an inability to follow through. So we're going to have a back to school September, if you will, in which Donald Trump is really going to be tested at home on his economic policies. The fragmentation of our public health system abroad in these key areas that we just have been talking about involving key adversaries. And we thought with India, potential allies.
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Joe Scarborough
Well, and hopefully the India tariff deal will get resolved because that is a serious, serious problem, again, having all three of those powers aligned against us. But it seems to me that actually the Russia, because Russia is hurting so much, even though they are just completely pounding Ukraine right now. Their economy is hurting. Their military has been savaged over the past three years. They've got up to a million casualties. They keep losing people over and over and over again. I mean, at some point we can strike a deal, let the US Senate pass the tariffs, give the $90 billion funding bill to the Ukrainians and see what happens. He'll come to the table.
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Willie Geist
Still ahead on MORNING Joe, is President Trump casting doubt on the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine? We're going to dig into those comments as Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy continues to face backlash for the upheaval at the cdc.
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Joe Scarborough
It is, it is not remarkable what's happening at the cdc. We all knew it. Also, a certain doctor from Louisiana who made Kennedy's appointment possible knew it before it happened. And he and the other Republican senators voted for him to savage our health care system anyway. Think about that. They knew what he was going to do. He said it at HHS. He's been saying it for 20 years. Pseudoscience. That's too mild of a term. And yet they voted for him anyway. Doctors voted for him anyway to savage America's health care system.
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Willie Geist
Plus, we'll look at the rising crime rates in Republican led states amid the federal takeover of Washington, D.C. s police department department.
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Joe Scarborough
And we'll also take a look at what happened in Chicago over the weekend. Over 50 people shot, seven killed.
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Willie Geist
And a reminder, the Morning Joe podcast is available each weekday featuring our full conversations and analysis. You can listen wherever you get your podcasts. You're watching MORNING joe. We will be right back.
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Joe Scarborough
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Caddy
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Joe Scarborough
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Willie Geist
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Willie Geist
Come back. Time now for a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning.
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Joe Scarborough
It's about the Red Sox and the Yankees being two and a half games out of first place because the blue.
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Willie Geist
Jay see blues and no, that's not it. We're going to get to sports a little later, so just hold off there. The president of Venezuela says his country is ready to respond to America's growing military presence in the Caribbean. Nicolas Maduro called the U.S. buildup unjustifiable and immoral.
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Joe Scarborough
Wait, wait, the guy that stole an election is preaching morality now? Okay.
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Willie Geist
And the Pentagon has deployed multiple warships to the region amid President Trump's threats to use the US Military to crack down on drug cartels. After more than three decades in the House, Democratic Congressman Jerry Nadler of New York will retire next year. The 78 year old said in part, quote, watching the Biden thing really said something about the necessity for generational change in the party, and I think I want to respect that. As the New York Times reports, Nadler's retirement will also almost certainly touch off a crowded primary fight over a rare open Democratic seat in the heart of Manhattan. We'll be watching that. And President Trump says he will award former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor. Trump made the announcement yesterday in a truth Social Post calling Giuliani the greatest mayor in the history of New York City. Trump's decision to honor the former mayor comes two days after he was injured in a car crash in New Hampshire. According to state police, Giuliani was the passenger in the car being driven by his spokesperson. The vehicle was struck from behind. Giuliani's head of security says the 81 year old was taken to the hospital for a spinal fracture, adding that he is, quote, recovering tremendously.
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Joe Scarborough
So Jonathan Mayer, as our Daily News alum, let's talk about Giuliani. First of all, hoping he recovers well and gets out of it. Giuliani, though, many people would say did an incredible job as mayor of New York City. And some of the same people would say he deeply tarnished it by trying to steal a presidential election. But yeah, talk about Giuliani's record as mayor of New York City.
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Jonathan Mayer
Well, first we certainly hope he recovers about the circumstances of that car accident, but police said they'll have updates in the days ahead. Yes, his first, first of all was a hard charging prosecutor before he ran for mayor here in New York City. Most even his critics would argue very successful in his first term, really helped bring crime down. David Dinkins, his predecessor, had hired a lot of police officers. Giuliani put them to use. He and Commissioner Bratton, head of the NYPD at the time with their broken windows theory, undeniably successful bringing down crimes. Second term less so, seemingly confrontational with a lot of communities in the, in the city. Reverend Sharpton has spoken about that quite a bit. But let's be clear, he was a performed heroically on the morning of September 11th and for weeks afterwards really sort of hit the grace notes what this morning, grieving, stunned city needed.
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Joe Scarborough
Well, and you know, at a time that the president of the United States first couple of days seemed off balance up until time he came to New York and stood on the pile of rubble. Giuliani stepped into the void there at an extraordinarily important time. And he was who America was looking at for several years after 9 11. And I will say also he and Bill Bratton, no doubt the before and after effect of that has been stunning. And what it taught New Yorkers was we don't have to live in a dirty, dangerous, crime ridden city.
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Jonathan Mayer
Yeah, those are the high water marks, no doubt of the Giuliani tenure, the driving down crime in the first term, what he did after September 11th. But as you said, Joe, his 2008 presidential campaign was a bust. And then of course he aligned himself. With Donald Trump's efforts to steal the 2020 election tarnished in the eyes of.
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Mika Brzezinski
Most, he did just align himself. But as you wrote in the book, was the leader a leader of a movement to steal an election? So we'll see.
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Joe Scarborough
Got this board, I think. Yeah, yeah.
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Mika Brzezinski
But the president says he's gonna give him the Medal of Freedom. In Chicago over the weekend, at least 54 people were shot. This is just over Labor Day weekend. Seven killed. Several of the incidents were mass shootings with multiple victims at a single scene. In one instance, a teenage girl was hit with a stray bullet. The violence comes as President Trump threatens to send federal agents and National Guard troops to Chicago to quell the crime there, despite objections from the city's mayor, Brandon Johnson, and Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker. Unfortunately, Joe, this is not unusual in Chicago, which has been plagued by gun violence for generations. Not years, for generations. The question would be, if President Trump sends in the National Guard, are they going to go into these neighborhoods where the gun violence is taking place? If so, what role would they have? How could they help to stop it? Or, like in Washington, would they be at Navy Pier and Wrigley Field?
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Joe Scarborough
Well, my concern is you have leaders in Chicago that see this. As you say, we've been reading about this for years now, every weekend, and maybe crime has gone down. But, you know, we had the mayor of Chicago on last week saying, oh, we don't need any more police officers. Police officers aren't the answer. No police officers. You know, I think he said no five times. You look what's happening this weekend. You know, I actually think that J.B. pritzker should do something radical. I think he should pick up the phone, call the president and say, you know, and I know you don't have the constitutional authority to deploy the National Guard here and to police my. You can do that in D.C. you can't do that in Chicago. But let's partner up. These are the most dangerous parts of my state. We would love to figure out how to have a partnership that's constitutional, that respects the sort of balance of federalism between the federal government and the state government, and let's work together to save lives. Because right now, just, hey, nothing to see here. Moving along. No problem here. Hey, Donald Trump, we don't need you. And you know, the mayor talking about, we're going to protect people's dignity in our city, will protect their lives. That's protecting their dignity. You know, it would be radical for us to figure out a way to actually do what I've been saying from the very beginning on Washington, and that is seeing politicians creating partnerships that protect their people.
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Mika Brzezinski
Yeah.
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Jonathan Mayer
It seems unlikely though, if past this prologue, that either the governor or the president will take that step to have that moment of outreach and unity. You're right. We had the mayor on here last week. Week who correctly noted that hiring police officers isn't the be all and end all. You have to do other things too. It has to be a whole holistic response. You have to do things in the community. But you're right. He stubbornly said he didn't want. He would not accept more police officers. And I think a lot of mayors would disagree with him, even those who would be considered themselves Democrats, even real progressives. But I think there is the element to your point, Joe, is that if there were to be a partnership, these troops would have to be used to correctly. And that's not been the case in D.C. for the most part, they have largely been deployed to tourist attractions, to Lincoln Memorial, maybe to Union Station, only a little bit into the neighborhoods where there actually been a rise in crime.
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Joe Scarborough
We really don't need tanks at Union Station.
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Jonathan Mayer
You do not. It is. You can get on the Estella without much trouble there. But. So there's no. That's what the governor's point has been that if these troops come to Chicago, and we agree the president doesn't have a right, he might try anyway, that he wouldn't be used the way they. Where they're needed.
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Mika Brzezinski
So with all this talk about the National Guard in Washington and Chicago, there's been a renewed focus on crime rates in other parts of the country, including states governed by Republicans. New analysis from the New York Times highlights the high crime rates in cities like Memphis and Nashville, whose Republican governor of Tennessee dispatched his National Guard troops to Washington despite Memphis facing a murder rate about twice as high as Washington. That's according to.
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Joe Scarborough
Seriously. I mean, what an idiot. You're actually going to help Washington D.C. when you have cities that have twice the crime rate as your own state? I mean, it's the same thing Gavin Newsom is saying to speaker of the House. Oh, wait, you're attacking San Francisco. San Francisco is a lot safer than Shreveport, Monroe, which is right outside your district. What do you say? You're something like 400 times more likely to get killed in Speaker Johnson's home state of Louisiana than in, as he's probably saying now, the greatest governor in the world of California. That's the insanity of this. These red state governors sending national guard up to D.C. when D.C. probably has a lower crime rate per capita than their home state.
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Mika Brzezinski
Well, it's all to please President Trump. So you've got a guy, a National Guardsman from Murfreesboro, Tennessee being called up not to protect his own state, but to go to Washington and stand outside the Lincoln Memorial. Republican governors of Texas, Ohio, Missouri, all lead states with cities that have higher crime rates than Washington as well. None of those though have asked for federal intervention either.
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Joe Scarborough
Yeah, David Ignatius. It's all showbiz, as John Lennon would sing. And nobody loves you when you're down and out. It's all show biz. And you see these red state governors, I could go down the list. I mean, you look per capita, whether it's Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, Louisiana, whether it's Bessemer, Alabama, whether it's Shreveport, Louisiana, whether it's Monroe, Louisiana, whether it's Little Rock, Arkansas, I could keep going on and on and on. But there are mid sized and large American cities that are far more dangerous per capita than Washington, D.C. and these clowns of governors are actually sending National Guard troops away from their more dangerous cities to go pose in front of a Krispy Kreme doughnut shop in Dupont Circle.
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David Ignatius
Yeah, I mean, it's not show business for people who get shot. And there is just way too much crime in America's cities, in red states and blue states alike. You'd think a sensible country would stand together and say let's address this crime problem. That Democrats would have every bit as much of an interest in doing that as Republicans. Often in these cities, it's Democratic voters who end up paying the most severe cost in terms of violence. And yet this, like everything else in this country, this just gets accelerates as a partisan issue. It's just a shame, but it is true that the murder rate, crime rate in Chicago, as illustrated by last weekend, is just way too high. Nobody should accept that and nobody should say that that's politicized that people, they should. Authorities in Illinois and Chicago should say, you know, either have a plan to have better enforcement on their own or as you said, reach out to the federal government for assistance. I'd love to see Governor Pritzker do the same thing that Governor Westmore has done in Maryland. Maryland was a high crime state, Baltimore in particular. Westmore, who has a deep understanding of criminal justice issues, having come up, as Wes Moore will say, when I was 11, I had cuffs on my wrist. He knows what this is. And he managed to make his way into the military, into a distinguished career. He knows this from every side. And he has brought that crime rate down in Maryland by being tough about it, by making no compromises, by being the guy who funds community policing stands behind it. So somehow the Democrats have to own this issue. Republican governors who have crime problems in cities, in their states have to own the issue. We just need to be honest. We have a problem as a country. It's too violent. Everybody knows it. I just have been traveling overseas. This doesn't happen overseas. It shouldn't happen here. People need to say, enough. We've had it.
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Joe Scarborough
Well, and as we've been saying here, don't just look at the crime stats going down and say, oh, it's safer now than it was during COVID or post Covid. That's, that's praising. I mean, that's faint praise. I mean, it just. It's not enough. And the show business part of it is red state governors sending their National Guardsmen and women up to Washington, D.C. when they have more dangerous cities and towns in their own home states. But Caddy David makes the great point that a lot of people around the table are making over the past several weeks, that most Americans feel like things are too dangerous. I keep going back to that Washington Post poll that was just taken a couple of months ago. 91% of residents in Washington, D.C. say Washington's too dangerous. Violence is too dangerous. People of color, black residents of Washington, those struggling working classes, and others are the most likely to say Washington is too violent. The rich and the white in this Washington Post poll were the least likely to say Washington was too violent. So I don't know. It just seems to me the Democrats have to start by doing what David just said. I mean, acknowledge Americans don't want to hear about crime stats when they feel uncomfortable walking the streets or their children walking the streets of their own cities.
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Caddy
Yeah, I mean, every country in the world has a lot of crime. The big difference in America is that there are a lot of guns out on the street and that the combination of crime and guns makes people feel very insecure. If you're beingif you're being carjacked and you know the guy has a gun, it exponentially raises your risk factor compared to if you're in another country and somebody stops and tries to steal a car and they don't have a gun. I mean, that's, that's just the way it is. And you're right, it's the poorer areas, often the black areas of this city that have the most crime. But that, that's not where we're seeing the troops going down. They're wandering around Georgetown, my neighborhood. They're wandering around the National Mall. I think there's another showbiz element to this too, Joe, which is here are the troops in Washington ostensibly to tackle the crime, but there is a big ice factor going on in this city. At the same time, if you go to some schools in some neighborhoods in Washington D.C. at the moment, the parents are very anxious about taking their children to school. There's a whole community system that's grown up around it. It's very efficient with phones. You've got kind of watchers, community activists on the pavement watching, kind of whistling, literally whistling to mothers as they leave their house with their folding their five year old children's hands to say, okay, you can come out now and we'll make sure you're safe to the next block to get to school. That's also what's happening in this city at the moment. There's a lot of ICE raids happening. And I think that's kind of, that's actually maybe the real story of this crackdown. And some of the National Guard element of that is for the show of the cameras to show that Donald Trump is being tough on crime. But what you're not seeing is the fear that people are feeling about taking their children to school.
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Joe Scarborough
Right. And I mean, and what you're not seeing are enough of these troops in Southeast Washington, other areas where the people desperately need and want more uniformed officers. But Caddy brings up children going to school that really quickly. We'll get to it later on. But Jonathan, that brings up one of the most compelling stories of the weekend, and that is Guatemalan children shipped onto a plane. And then a federal judge stops it and says, I want to be very clear here, the children are not to leave. The government wouldn't respond to her. She very, very direct saying, don't even try to suggest this was there's any ambiguity here. No ambiguity. Get those children off the plane until we have a hearing.
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Mika Brzezinski
Yeah.
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Jonathan Mayer
Now, the judge couldn't have been clear. We'll see how the government responds. They have been in defiance of some court orders to this point. But back to connecting all this together, there is a sense with terms of Chicago, the National Guard. We've raised the idea that the president doesn't have the authority to do so, but no decision has been made. But I've been told by some in the administration that the Guard will be deployed to safeguard ICE raids, to therefore provide security to ICE agents. Much like that was the pretense in Los Angeles.
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Joe Scarborough
Los Angeles to protect federal buildings.
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Mika Brzezinski
Yes.
- [38:21]
Joe Scarborough
And to protect federal.
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Jonathan Mayer
That's what they did in la. The thought is that might be how they try to have a bank shot to get some of these guard troops to Chicago. That pretense would, first of all, would accelerate these ICE raids, which I know many in the community do not want. But secondly, would allow the president to have a show of force, have his troops in the city with a perhaps more legally justifiable means that's being considered.
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Willie Geist
And the ICE raids, of course, being done by people wearing masks. They're terrifying and they are terrifying communities across the country, there's no question. I haven't seen one video of an ICE raid where people are clapping for it, have you? No. It's terrifying and it's not what the president promised. The Washington Post, David Ignatius, thank you very much. Coming up, a rough debut for Bill Belichick at the University of North Carolina as the coach with the most super bowl wins got blown out last night. We'll dig into that and the other headlines from a big weekend in sports. MORNING JOE will be right back.
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David Ignatius
They'Ve got to come fourth and five.
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Pablo Torre
Manning in Tremo got it away.
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Joe Scarborough
Caught, but not enough for the first.
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Mika Brzezinski
The Ohio State Buckeyes opening their national title defense with a win on Saturday in that highly anticipated matchup with Texas making that fourth down stop late against Arch Manning to hold off the Longhorns. 147 Arch Manning, Joe all the talk about this kid for people who don't know. He is the nephew of Peyton and Eli Manning. Really, really talented, highly touted player. Been sitting on the bench for two years at Texas. This was his debut. Not great.
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Joe Scarborough
I wish him well. I actually felt sorry for him because it's so overhyped. There was a point in the first quarter where I think he had more endorsement ads running than completions. I'm serious. Yeah, I'm serious. And you just sit there thinking it's way too much pressure. Why did he do the endorsement ads? Why didn't you know? But, but everybody's talking about grades. I've got to say I've seen some good clips from high school, but even last year they brought Arch Manning in to do quarterback sneaky, had run for 10 yards. I haven't seen any NFL level talent. And so I was really curious to see whether I'd see it in this game. And instead saw a kid, still a kid who again, a lot of endorsements but wasn't ready to play at that level.
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Mika Brzezinski
Also thrown into the fire at Ohio State against the national champions.
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Pablo Torre
It's the best defense.
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Mika Brzezinski
Pablo's here. Pablo Torres here.
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Joe Scarborough
Even though it's the best defense in the country. He was overthrowing guys under throwing guys wide open without pressure on him.
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Pablo Torre
The thing with Arch Manning, remember how LeBron James had chosen one tattooed on his back?
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Joe Scarborough
Yeah.
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Pablo Torre
Arch Manning has a name that is effectively the same thing.
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Joe Scarborough
Right.
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Pablo Torre
This is a family in the Mannings that we know has figured out the job that America cares about the most. Quarterback that no one else can figure out. Here's a family that changes. Turns out star after star, Archie to Eli and Peyton and not Cooper. But here we have the son of Cooper trying to complete the circle. And yeah, it's an O. It's a big red O at midfield. It turns out that's the circle he got swallowed.
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Joe Scarborough
Nobody's saying here that he can't have a great year and can't even end up in the running for the Heisman. But I still haven't seen anything. Nobody's really seen anything that suggests this kid should be on every, every third commercial during college football games.
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Jonathan Mayer
Yeah, he's an honorary. He's in every third commercial because of his last name and you know the game often fast for him. He, as you, Joe, as you said, he missed some open throws. I mean that's a great defense. He also throwing things sidearm when he didn't need to. He, he just seemed overwhelmed by the moment. He led one drive there for a touchdown late we saw It. But otherwise, plenty of time to get better. Tough schedule, but he. He was underwhelming.
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Mika Brzezinski
I bet he gets a lot better even this week. He's. He's mobile too different from Eli. He can run. So I. Let's give him some time. He has done, actually, the commercials notwithstanding, a good job of trying to tamp down the hype around him. He's the one who said, seems like a good kid. He's the one who said it's ridiculous for us to be ranked number one before the season starts. How does anybody know? And he's like, I haven't done anything.
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Jonathan Mayer
And he was willing to sit on the bench. He did starting.
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Joe Scarborough
All of that.
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Mika Brzezinski
We'll give him some time. Meanwhile, the new era of North Carolina football under Bill Belichick kicked off last night. And it was ugly. TCU spoiling Belichick's debut with a 4814 blowout of the Tar Heels. So Pablo Chapel Hill was ready. The stadium was packed. It looked beautiful. They had all the fanfare. Michael Jordan was there, Lawrence Taylor was there. And then the game started.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah, you may recall Bill Belichick from the time he coached like 500 plus games in the NFL and gave up 48 points. Zero times. Zero times. And he is now, you know, one for one in terms of getting blown out in college. And look, the whole. I don't want to make this into a whole, like, victory lap for me.
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Joe Scarborough
I think you do.
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Pablo Torre
In any such cases.
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Joe Scarborough
Is this about the ring cam?
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Willie Geist
It's.
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Pablo Torre
It's about everything. And it is.
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Willie Geist
Oh, my God. The ring cam was so good that that podcast you did where you went like you went.
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Pablo Torre
I was, I was for my journalism, Mika, thank you for recognizing. I was. People were saying, well, hold on, wait.
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Willie Geist
You'Re calling it journalism?
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Mika Brzezinski
I am.
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Jonathan Mayer
It's absolutely.
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Pablo Torre
You're talk.
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Willie Geist
Maybe that's the problem.
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Pablo Torre
My, my, my Peabody nominated podcast notwithstanding, I will simply point.
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Willie Geist
I love your podcast.
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Pablo Torre
Let's get the absurdity of this. The absurdity of this story is Bill Belichick is not who you remember. That is the whole story through the Jordan Hudson thing, which is absurd and ridiculous. Into, of course, a game like this when it's like, wait a minute, we signed up for the greatest of all time and we got truly a laughingstock. And I don't think it gets better. I don't think it gets. It is after this game. I mean, look, he is the greatest NFL coach of all time, but what he is now is a guy who got blown out by tcu and that is something that is very, very disquieting to anybody who remembers Bill Belichick of York.
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Mika Brzezinski
Also point out, John, he brought in 77, zero new players. It's like an expansion team. Almost all these guys from different programs, transfers and all that. It's going to take a minute.
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Jonathan Mayer
Of course, even for a coach like Belichick adjusting to the new system, adjusting the college ranks, it's going to take some time. Yes. In terms of the story, shall we say, tumultuous off season, this doesn't help in terms of reinforcing the sense. Reinforcing the sense that there's chaos at Chapel Hill. But again, I think that he will, given some time, improve, but it would be a lot to expect him to recreate the heights he achieved in the NFL.
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Joe Scarborough
There may, there may be. There may be chaos in Chapel Hill, but it's nothing like what's going on inside the athletic department in the University of Alabama right now. I mean, why don't we just say it? I mean, seriously, this is what drives me crazy. Like I'm enjoying when things go wrong when it's clear they're not going to get better. You have to make a change. Now, I said that in the middle of last year that DeBoer, though a nice guy, just wasn't up to the moment.
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Willie Geist
Is this year two?
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Joe Scarborough
This is year two. And he just really, he didn't have the background. He had a couple years at Washington and before that I think he was at North Dakota State or something. But he was in no position to replace Nick Saban. And here's the thing. They've got so many five star recruits. They have four star recruits. They have the best athletes on the field here by a long shot. They look scared, they looked confused. They couldn't make tackles. Their quarterback was scared. You looked in his eyes. He was hanging his head in the first quarter. If you hung your head after a loss, Nick Saban would take you out and have you running laps. I mean, this is not just about Nick Saban. This is about having an SEC coach that knows how to coach a team. This is a massive team, a massive organization, and the board just will never be that coach.
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Mika Brzezinski
There was a thing when Saban was at Alabama where Alabama almost had won the game before the game started because of the mystique, because of the new. You knew the way they were going to play. They always had the talent. But also under Saban, they weren't going to make mistakes. They weren't going to let things slide. They weren't going to hang their heads. And it started, I take only a small amount of pride in saying this last year when. No, it's true, though, when Vanderbilt beat Alabama in Nashville.
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Joe Scarborough
And the thing about Vandy is they beat them from the opening kickoff to. To. To the goal posts being carried down the river.
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Mika Brzezinski
True, Alabama was number one in the nation, undefeated. Melro being talked about as the highest front run and all that. And it sort of began to fall apart in Nashville.
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Pablo Torre
But I think about Vandy not just for the symbolic reasons of Vandy now owns Alabama. It's that 4 and 4 is Kaylin DeBore in games that Alabama has been favored by 14 points. These are the winnable games.
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Joe Scarborough
Do you know DeBore has lost more games to unranked opponents in a year than Saban did during his entire term there?
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Pablo Torre
One of the reasons I laugh and we can go statistic for statistic for an hour because Alabama.
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Joe Scarborough
Well, you laugh because, you know, it hurts children.
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Pablo Torre
And me, I was thinking, what's it like? What's it like for Joe right now as Alabama loses the first season opener since 2001?
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Joe Scarborough
You know what it's like? It's like watching Mike Shula coach as we lose to Hawaii and go6. I'm dead serious. We will be lucky to be a.500 team this year. But the thing is, again, it's not about wins and losses. I'll say it again. I remember at the end of, you know, and you heard, Fine Bomb said I was the one that brought.
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Pablo Torre
Oh, it was fun to watch.
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Joe Scarborough
He said it time and time again. Well, at the end of the season, they were 6 and 6. Fine bomb specifically called me to go on a show to mock and ridicule me, saying, oh, they're six and six. I bet you wish you would, you know, it had been Spurrier or somebody go, no, you remember the Arkansas game where they were behind. It's the first time in like 10 years where I look down on the field, I go, oh, they're going to win. Because Saban had them believing. It's that leadership. It's not there. And when it's not there, you got to cut the cord.
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Pablo Torre
Here's the. The dark sort of like subtext, though, at the end of Saban's run, right? The lead was seemingly insurmountable for years and years, right? Nobody was making the runs that Saban was making into the playoffs. By the end, Georgia was catching up. Georgia was catching up.
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Joe Scarborough
Not really.
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Pablo Torre
Well, they were winning titles. They were there at the end. And the question is I go back to January of 2024, when something fascinating happens in like 24, 48 hours. Nick Saban says, I'm out of here. This era of college football is not what I signed up for. And Bill Belichick leaves the Patriots and we see what happened. Now, one guy, Nick Saban, picked the right time, I believe, to get out of the game. Belichick got into it.
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Joe Scarborough
And that's what I understand completely why Nick Saban left. Like, who wants to recruit a kid every single year? Who wants to not be able to sit a kid on the bench the last game of the year to teach them a lesson so they'll be better and work harder through the year? No, now they just transfer. So you can't really coach. So that's part of it. I will say also, though, there is another side of it, too. And told Fine Bomb on the air here, if Alabama wants to win, they need to be less concerned about ruffling Nick Saban's feathers and more concerned about winning. And they need to bring Lane Kiffin back to Alabama because Lane will win them national championships. Fine Bomb said, that's not going to happen. Why is that not going to happen? Saban doesn't like, you know, Lane Kiffin. All right, well, I'm, I'm sorry, but you mean do you want to win or do you want to do what we did with bear Bryant for 20 years? And if anybody like was in the orbit of Bear Bryant, they get to coach the team. That's all I have to say. John.
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Jonathan Mayer
Yeah, no, it would. It. Would you. I will defer to you on all things Alabama football, but it seems like a cleaner break from the Saban Eric likely needed. I mean, in terms of this year. Of course, with an expanded playoff system, you can lose a game or two, you can still be playing. Yeah, they got plenty of time to straighten things out, but the signs aren't encouraging the overall trajectory of Alabama football. And we see in the sec, LSU picked up a big win this week.
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Joe Scarborough
Wow.
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Jonathan Mayer
Being Clemson, it's going to be tough. As always.
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Mika Brzezinski
LSU could be ranked number one in the country this morning when the rain come out and shout out to Miami beating Notre Dame at home the other.
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Joe Scarborough
Night and also a shout out to the Cincinnati Reds.
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Jonathan Mayer
They're our favorite for beating the Blue Jays.
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Joe Scarborough
Okay, so get there. Will we hope for as Yankees and Red Sox fans than where we are in September? We're in it two and a half games out, both of us.
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Mika Brzezinski
It's September. Both of our teams are in it. We're literally tied right now, two and a half games behind the Blue Jays. Yankees have a very stretched, difficult stretch coming up. Two weeks that ends with a big series at Fenway.
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Willie Geist
All right.
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Jonathan Mayer
Yeah.
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Willie Geist
Fingers crossed.
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Jonathan Mayer
It is. They're both, they're both teams in the wild card right now. In fact, the season were to end today. Yankees, Red Sox will be playing in the playoffs. But with a month to go, Toronto suddenly has come back to the pack enough. There's a shot at the division.
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Caddy
All right.
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Willie Geist
MSNBC contributor Pablo Torre, thank you so much for coming on this morning.
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Joe Scarborough
Peabody Award winner.
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Jonathan Mayer
There he is.
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Willie Geist
So go ahead.
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Joe Scarborough
Nominated? Nominated Journalistically sound My God.
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Willie Geist
Okay.