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Pick it up at your local Walmart Elect Trump announced last night on Truth Social that he will implement tariffs on goods imported from Canada, China and Mexico. So by next year, if you want extra guacamole, it'll be cheaper to go get it. Apparently, Trump's tariffs on Mexico will cause the price of Modelo and Corona beer to go up. Every MAGA supporter heard and was like, well, I guess it's time to forgive Bud Light. Here we go. And poor Canada is like, what did we do? I mean, be honest, is this because of Drake? Late night shows Reacting to Donald Trump's threat of new tariffs, the leaders of Canada and Mexico also responded yesterday, taking very different approaches with President Elect Trump. Will have their comments straight ahead. Meanwhile, Trump's incoming border czar was in Texas yesterday. We'll show you his warning to state and local officials across the country. And Rudy Giuliani is living with the real life consequences of his lies about two former election workers. We'll tell you what he had to say yesterday in and outside of a courtroom. Good morning. Welcome to Morning Joe. It's Wednesday, November 27th, Thanksgiving Eve. I'm Willie Geist. Joe and Meek have the morning off with us. The host of Way Too Early, White House bureau chief at Politico, Jonathan Lemire MSNBC political analyst Elise Jordan. She's a former aide to the George W. Bush White House and State Department and columnist and associate editor for the Washington Post, David Ignatius. Good morning to you all. Let's hop right in with a new ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah this morning, which now has gone into effect. President Biden announced the deal shortly after Israel's security cabinet approved the agreement in a 10 to 1 vote yesterday. Over the next 60 days, Hezbollah fighters are expected to retreat from The Israeli border while Israeli ground forces withdraw from Lebanese territory. If the ceasefire holds, it would bring an end to more than a year of fighting between Israel and the Iranian backed terrorist group. And much longer than that, really. Let's bring in NBC News chief international correspondent Keir Simmons live this morning in Dubai. So Keir, we were talking yesterday morning about the potential for this deal. Here it is. What more can you tell us about the outlines? Yeah, yeah. Well, it's happened. It's a deal between Israel and Lebanon. It's a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah. It happened at 4am There were gunshots, but celebratory gunshots and dancing in the streets and pictures of lines of vehicles with some with mattresses strapped on top heading back to the south of Lebanon. Families getting back to their homes there despite a warning from the Israeli army not to go. Those families just too desperate to get back. And ignoring that, that kind of a warning. We now know the details of exactly how this is going to play out. According to the US and Israel, it will be 60 days, so two months for the Israeli forces to pull out of southern Lebanon. The Hezbollah will move its heavy weapons back behind the Litany River. So you'll have a kind a buffer zone and that is what will be policed by a coalition, if you like, of UN forces, of the Israeli National Army, France supporting, no boots on the ground, of course from the US there's no political appetite for that kind of thing. But a deal that was put together by the US and President Biden in the Rose Garden saying peace is possible and indicating that he hopes that this could be a start towards some kind of a deal with Gaza. Then there's the negative. They're right wing in the Israeli government, Ben gvir, for example, talking about this being a failure to bring Hezbollah to its, to its knees, that this was the wrong time for a ceasefire of ordinary Israelis who live in the north, tens of thousands of them talking about not wanting to go back to their homes there because they don't feel safe with Hezbollah still able to operate despite the huge damage that it has taken. And in fact, in the early hours of the morning, the IDF targeted a position inside Syria, just on the border. As Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has said, that they are determined to continue to prevent Hezbollah from rearming. And he warned too in his televised statement that they would they reserve the right, if you like Israel to strike at Hezbollah at any moment, if there is a sign that it is trying to rearm or build tunnels or anything like that, frankly, and that, of course, raises the question about how long this ceasefire could hold. There have been thousands of deaths, as I say, tens of thousands have been disrupted that moved from their homes in Northern Israel. Many more not able to get to their homes in Lebanon, displaced. So I think for both sides, for all sides, frankly, there was a certain level of kind of more exhaustion here. But the question remains, how long does that last for? How long does this ceasefire last for? Keir, you mentioned Hamas. Hezbollah joined the fight this time October 8th, after the Hamas attacks inside of Israel, saying they were joining with their resistance brothers in the fight against Israel. So what brought Hezbollah to the point where they were prepared to sit down and discuss a ceasefire in a way that Hamas obviously has not been so willing to do? So what broke Hezbollah in this moment? Yeah, well, Iran wanted it. And I should tell you really that Iran this morning is describing this as a victory for Hezbollah. So there was that peace. As you know, Hezbollah is effectively a proxy of Iran. Iran wanted it. Clearly, Hezbollah has taken an absolute beating, frankly. So there are those in Israel who say not enough, but certainly it's been a lot. And so the opportunity from Hezbollah's point of view, simply to survive, I think was something that it will have wanted. And we know from about these groups, Hezbollah, Hamas, that they take a long view. So I think they will know, just as everyone does, that previous versions of a very similar settlement like this, Hezbollah was able to fire on Israel and the UN forces and the Israeli and the Lebanese army was, was unable to do anything about that. So for Hezbollah, I think, frankly, there is a long arc of history that that's how Hezbollah will be viewing it. We should mention too, of course, Prime Minister Netanyahu saying that this cease fire enables Israel to actually focus on Iran, to focus its attention on confronting Iran. NBC's Keir Simmons joining us this morning live from Dubai. Keir, thanks so much as always. We appreciate it. So, David Ignatius, you're writing about this ceasefire this morning. Obviously, President Biden was enthusiastic about it yesterday in the Rose Garden when he announced that this was brokered by the United States and other partners. How did we get to this ceasefire? Again, as Keir says, we'll see how long it holds. But for now, as you write this morning, diplomacy getting a rare win in the region. So this was a product of many months of old fashioned shuttle diplomacy by President Biden's emissary, Amos Hochstein, who traveled between Jerusalem and Beirut, who tried to see what the parameters of a deal to end the fighting might be. I think the truth is that the ceasefire, in many ways, marks a victory for Israel. Israel, as Prime Minister Netanyahu said yesterday, has broken the back of Hezbollah. It's killed, by his account, thousands of Hezbollah fighters. In assassinating the head of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, Netanyahu said they had destroyed the axis of the axis. So Hezbollah is very much back on its heels. As Kir said, there has been a tacit blessing from Iran. My sources told me yesterday that there had been back channel contacts between the US And Iran to describe this deal. A senior administration official confirmed that there are regular direct contacts between the US And Iran. It may be that Iran thinks Hezbollah can be rebuilt and come back another day. The essential requirement for this deal to work is that the Lebanese armed forces, the laf, as Lebanese call them, deploys in the south in the areas that Hezbollah has left and stays there as a strong and unified presence. That army has a lot of Shia in it, people who are subject to pressure from Hezbollah. If it can stay independent and be the symbol of Lebanese sovereignty restored after decades when Hezbollah really was the state within the state that controlled things, then it begins to be a different Lebanon. I should also say, Willie, that this may mark the beginning of a period of broader peacemaking and negotiations. The US Is redoubling its efforts to get a ceasefire in the Gaza war. That would amount to a surrender by Hamas, but there's new effort on that. And President Biden said in his Rose Garden press session yesterday that he still holds out strong hope for a deal for Saudi normalization of relations with Israel that would be a significant breakthrough in the Middle East. It's something that I think both Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia and Prime Minister Netanyahu deeply wants as a security against Iran, as a symbol of a transformed Middle East. So in these remaining months, there's going to be an awful lot for the Biden team to do. So, David, Prime Minister Netanyahu yesterday sort of supported this deal, defended his deal to some of the more right wingers in the Cabinet, saying that the losses that Hezbollah take, which is so extraordinary. And US Officials I spoke to yesterday agreed, starting with the pager attack and the rest, they have really set Hezbollah back here. But let's a big picture look here about the Middle East. You mentioned Iran, your regime sort of hanging on for survival right now. You know, the incoming Trump administration sort of looms over the not just this deal, but any potential deal in Gaza. How do you see this moment? Precarious moment in the Middle East. So, Jonathan, we often think of thought during this last year of essentially fruitless US Diplomacy that our power was receding. I found yesterday's events reminder that the United States is, as is often said, the indispensable player. It's really only the US that could have brokered the ceasefire in Lebanon. It's really only the US that can maintain the momentum toward a truce in Gaza. For better or worse, like it or not, our role in the Middle east is going to continue and is going to be inherited by President Trump. Interestingly, senior officials who were briefing me and other reporters made clear that they have been in touch with Trump's most senior national security advisers as these negotiations were reaching a climax to tell them what they were doing to make sure that they were supportive. So I think there is more continuity between the Biden team and the incoming Trump team here than there may be on some other issues. So, Elise, obviously this is good news for the moment. I think a lot of people who've lived through the region and live through what happens around Israel in the Middle east is taking a wait and see approach to whether this actually holds. Israel reserving its right to attack inside of Lebanon, Hezbollah, if there is in fact an attack on them, of course. But the question now that David raises is about Hamas and about what happens next in Gaza. The president spoke in the Rose Garden about that yesterday, saying the people of Gaza have suffered enough. The hostages, the Israeli hostages have suffered enough. It's time for that to end. Unclear, though, how they find a similar path with Hamas that they found with Hezbollah. Well, and President Biden also said that he still wants to push for the remaining American hostages. They believe that four Americans are still alive out of the seven remaining hostages to be released. And also President Biden struck an optimistic tone about Israel's Saudi normalization, which seems a little bit impossible given the short timeline here. But at a bare minimum, I think it's encouraging that President Biden, President Biden's administration was able to get this achievement. President, the incoming President Trump's team said great, go ahead. It seems like they are working hand in hand for now. And that's a good sign. It is a good sign for now. The Washington Post, David Ignatius will be reading you as always in the Post this morning. Thanks so much. Good to see you. Still ahead on MORNING Joe, leaders in Canada, Mexico and China responding to President Elect Trump's pledge to impose sweeping tariffs on his first day in office. Steve Rattner joins us to break down Trump's plan and the potential economic consequences here in America and around the World Morning Joe is back in just 90 seconds. Every day, thousands of Comcast engineers and technologists put people at the heart of everything they create. Like Kunle, a Comcast engineer who began to approach work differently after becoming a father with two teenage boys at home, Kumle thinks about the generation that he is building technology for. 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For a more connected worksite, visit united rentals.com United Rentals Work United I picture the White House 615 on Thanksgiving Eve, President elect Donald Trump's plan for new tariffs on goods for Mexico, Canada and China, sparking concern among some U.S. industries. NBC News senior Washington correspondent Hallie Jackson reports on how businesses are bracing for the potential impact. The day after the election, Deerstags owner Rick Musket called his shoe factory in China to stockpile whatever they could send before Inauguration Day. And before long, promised Trump tariffs kick in we would take everything they could get us to ship for Chinese New Year. That move maybe just in time with President Elect Trump now announcing on his first day in office not just a 10% added tariff on China, but also 25% tariffs on anything imported from Mexico and Canada, America's two biggest trading partners. Online, Mr. Trump suggesting it's retaliation for the fentanyl entering the U.S. those countries deflecting blame. And the president elect referencing migrants coming from Mexico and Canada. I had a good call with Donald Trump last night. Again, we talked about some of the challenges that we can work on together. Mr. Trump's proposal could blow up the trade agreement he himself helped to negotiate in his first term. We got it done and could be challenged in court. Remember, tariffs are a tax on things other countries send here. And those other countries don't pay the tax directly. It gets passed down to companies instead, and often to you. The US Relies on both Canada and Mexico for cars and car parts, from Chevy pickups to Chrysler minivans. So the auto industry now bracing for a blow, including in states like Michigan, which Mr. Trump won. Mexico supplies more than half the fruits and veggies coming into the US Meaning your grocery bill could rise, too. Already, economists predict inflation could tick up nearly a percent if these tariffs go into effect. And that's still AN if, since Mr. Trump has used the threat of tariffs as a negotiating tactic before. But if he follows through, we're small business and we can't afford to carry all those costs. The owners of this Washington pet store worry about having to charge their customers more because the shop would pay more for imported harnesses and toys. There's a point at which the consumer is going to say, you know, this isn't in my family's budget. We can't do this. Hallie Jackson reporting there. Meanwhile, Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum slammed Trump's tariff threat yesterday, suggesting her country could retaliate with its own tariffs. She also claimed migrant caravans are no longer reaching the border with the United States. The comments were made during a press conference yesterday in which Sheinbaum read from a letter she sent to Donald Trump. She said, quote, allocating even a fraction of what the United States spends on warfare toward peace building and development would address the deeper drivers of migration. Sheinbaum went on to blame the United States for its role in drug trafficking, saying, quote, 70% of the illegal weapons seized from criminals in Mexico come from your country. Tragically, it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours. President Sheinbaum of Mexico, in a letter to Donald Trump we mentioned Donald Trump also threatened an additional 10% tariff on goods from China for its role in fentanyl trafficking. Yesterday, a spokesperson for China's Foreign Ministry called the drug issue a, quote, American problem, saying China has provided support in dealing with that and that the U.S. should, quote, cherish China's goodwill. Joining us now, former treasury official and Morning Joe economic analyst Steve Ratner and congressional reporter for the Hill, Michael Schnell. Good morning to you both. Good to see you. So, Steve, you've been educating us about tariffs for many years now, 25% in Mexico, 25% in Canada, our two largest trading partners would do what, in your eyes, to the price of everyday goods here in the United States? Well, it's going to raise it pretty significantly, Willie. And as your report from Hallie Jackson just said, one of the things that I think we all learned during the campaign is that tariffs are taxed. They add to the price of the goods. They're not paid for by the companies. They're paid for by consumers. But let me make one point that sometimes doesn't get underlined the way it probably should in this debate, which is it doesn't just raise the price of the goods that are imported from that foreign country, some washing machine from China, some car from Mexico, whatever. It raises the prices of all of those goods. Because the fact that one of the real points of tariffs is if you raise the price on an imported good that's competing with a US Manufacturer, it allows the US Manufacturer also raise his prices to that same level. And so if we put a tariff on Chinese washing machines, as we did under the first President Trump term, it's going to raise the price of all washing machines in this country. And so it could add as much as you heard as 1% to inflation, which is a lot, given that inflation is not yet down to the 2% target that the Fed has established. Given the team that Donald Trump has assembled, his proposed Cabinet Choices Advisors, is it a group of people, some who I assume you know, others you don't, who would be supportive of this? Because there is still that idea that this is rhetoric, that he's trying to get Mexico to crack down on the border, he's getting China to stop its bad behavior, and he's not actually going to impose some of these tariffs. Do you believe these actually will come into place on day one? I don't necessarily believe they're going to come in place on day one. We all know Trump's negotiating tactic, which is you take the most extreme position possible and then you work yourself back from that. And indeed, in his first term, he did impose some tariffs, but there were never these 10% across the board to every import or 25% and so forth. I think we can take a little bit of nervous solace. I'll call it nervous solace. From the appointment so far, Scott Besant at Treasury, Howard Lutnick at Commerce, and now Kevin Hassett, yesterday appointed to head the National Economic Council. I wouldn't call, I mean, they're certainly not Democrats and I wouldn't necessarily call them pro trade or anti tariff people, but they, I think more measured. It's very notable that Robert Lighthizer, who was the advisor to Trump during the campaign, who was most vocal about tariffs, does not have a government position. One of his deputies from the first term is going to be the special trade representative, but that's put under Howard Lutnick now, who's a bit more moderate. And Peter Navarro, who is certainly the biggest spear carrying, wild eyed, anti China guy in the first Trump administration, does not have a position at all yet. So we can find a few slightly hopeful signs that there'll be some grownups in the room as they go through this process. Peter Navarro of Green Bay Sweep fame, you'll recall that was his effort to overturn the election. So, Michael, this was an election that was largely fought about the economy and prices. Inflation, polls suggest was one of the biggest drivers of voters to Republicans. But if Donald Trump goes through this, prices are going to rise again. How does Congress right now, the Senate and the House with a very slim majority, how are these Republicans feeling about this? It's a bit of a mixed bag, right? We're hearing from a number of those hardline conservative Republicans who say this is great. Mexico, China, Canada, they need to face these tariffs. We're especially hearing from some border state Republicans who say that this needs to be done to stop the spread of fentanyl, to stop the spread the illegal immigration, which is what, what President Elect Trump has tied it to. But there are still some skeptics. For example, Chuck Grassley, right, a longtime senator Republican from Iowa. He's conservative. You can definitely argue that he's conservative. He said that he's concerned about the potential effect of these tariffs, about these rising prices. But what he came back in the second breath has said is that I see this as a negotiating tactic. I think a lot of Republicans are saying that this is what Trump does. He makes those lofty threats and uses that as negotiating tactics to bring folks to the table. I think Republicans are concerned about the rising prices and the rising inflation that can come with this. So they're hoping that it's going to be a negotiating tactic. And these Tariffs won't actually make it come to fruition. Steve, you certainly have not been exactly optimistic that Donald Trump, Donald Trump's tenure is going to return to the American dream, as you recently wrote in the Times. Can you talk a little bit about the source of your overall pessimism about the economic environment that Donald Trump faces and his proposed solutions to it? Yeah, look, if you believe that two of the biggest problems we face in this country are one, still maintaining inflation at a low level and getting it back to all the way to its 2%, and secondly, what I call restoring the American dream, the fact that we've had so many workers left behind, the fact that work, these, the famous white middle class, working class people out in Ohio have seen their wages after inflation go down and the huge pressures that people have on their costs. It is very hard to find anything in the Trump 2.0, shall we call it, program that would address that. He's talking about tariffs, which we just talked about inflationary. He's talked about massive tax cuts on all kinds of different things from overtime pay to tips and so forth, massively increasing the deficit potentially, which puts pressure upward, pressure on interest rates, makes it harder for people to buy houses, and also creates more inflation when we spend more money. And so when you go through, and then of course deporting all the illegal immigrants, many of these people who are very engaged productively in the country and who we still need, we still have more jobs than we have people looking for jobs. All of these things are actually negatives for the economy. So it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. But I just don't see how his policies line up with what we need to do to address the problems we're facing. And part of this, Steve, also is the tax cut. If the tax cut comes back, which the vast majority of which the benefits went to rich people, to corporations or people at least making over $75,000 a year. If that comes back, what does that do to the economy? Yeah, look, that's the thing. It's a $4 trillion bill for the next 10 years to simply extend the tax Trump tax credits at a time when we're already running a $2 trillion deficit. It's not like we're running no deficit. It flies against all sorts of economic wisdom. When the economy is doing reasonably well, as it is at the moment, in terms of growth, you don't then put, in effect, put more gasoline on the fire. That is not the way to run economic policy. They've talked about all These spending cuts. But there really isn't enough, it's another discussion for another day. There really isn't enough spending that you actually can cut without getting into Social Security, Medicare, defense. Obviously you can't cut interest on the debt and so forth. So, Michael, let's shift to another part of the Trump transition. He, his team finally struck an agreement with the Biden administration, the federal government for the transition funding program and the like, and he has now filled out his cabinet. There's still a few key posts, FBI director among them, that haven't been named yet. But they're shaping up to be a bit of a fight here on a few of these picks. What's the very latest as to what Republicans, particularly those in the Senate, feel about Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kane Jr. And particularly Pete Hegseth? Yeah, it's those three names that we keep coming back to since, well, we should note those three names since Matt Gaetz withdrew his name from consideration for Attorney General, he was the one who was receiving the most scrutiny. He was receiving the most oxygen in the room with him out of the question. We're now hearing about those three rfk, Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard. And the concerns are there, particularly with Pete Hegseth right now. He's the one who's getting the most scrutiny. He's most in the spotlight. The details that came out from that police report about that alleged sexual assault in 2017, those are raising concerns among senators. Right. And Tulsi Gabbard, her past foreign international travel, her past comments about the Russia, Ukraine war, parroting things that have been said on Russian state TV causing concern and then RFK Jr and his vaccine skepticism. So we're going to see how this all plays out with A, their meetings with senators on Capitol Hill, B, what those confirmation hearings look like, the information that comes out, the questions that are asked and then C, of course that all important vote that's gonna come in likely the first few weeks of the Trump administration. Right now what we're hearing from Republican senators is that there are some of these concerns, but folks are keeping an open mind. They wanna say that President Elect Trump has the opportunity to fill his cabinet with people who he wants to. They wanna give them the benefit of the doubt, but they're gonna come armed with their fair share questions come those confirmation hearings. Now of course it's all gonna come down to a numbers game because it's just a simple majority to confirm these folks. Republicans have 53 seats in the, in the Senate, obviously, if it's a 50, 50, J.D. vance can come in and break that tie. But there are a good handful of these Republicans on Capitol Hill in the Senate who are not Trump's biggest fans. It's the names we talk about all the time. Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Tom Tillis. There are a few of them. Depending on how they vote is going to depend on these nominees, whether or not they can get in the Cabinet. And depending on how many they're willing to tank and vote no against, it would be a pretty resounding thing for a Republican to vote against a Republican president's nominee. It's going to be interesting to see how many they're willing to stick their neck out on and tank when you're dealing with the potential wrath and retribution that could come from the president elect with those cabinets. And there's the sense from the Trump side that, okay, we pulled Matt Gaetz back. We gave you one, we heard you. You don't like him. We told him to step back. Don't you dare cross us on these other ones as if he was the sacrificial lamb. But when you dig through, as you said, Pete Hegsett, you dig through these stories, you dig through some of the views of Bobby Kennedy Jr. And of course, Tulsi Gabbard's affinity for Russia, for Assad and Syria and things like that. There are real concerns among Republicans. Do you think, as one of their first acts in this new presidency, though, that they will. Enough of them anyways, you say it only takes four. Enough of them will step out and cross him, at least on one or two of them. Well, this is something Jonathan and I were talking about the other day. They didn't actually have to use too much political capital on Matt Gaetz. The writing was on the wall right there from the outset. It was clear from those private conversations, but also from the public conversation that Matt Gaetz did not have any chance of becoming Attorney General, especially with that House ethics report hanging over his head. So these Republicans who are not the biggest fans of Trump, they still have that political capital. They haven't fully put it to use yet. Now, as you mentioned, the big question is, are they gonna wanna do this right out the gate? And that's the key question here. But again, we're talking about folks who don't have a strong affinity for Donald Trump. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski admitted that they didn't even vote for him. So I don't know if that calculus is gonna play in too much when we talk about if they're willing to take this vote. Yeah, they were able to save their fire because they didn't have to take the vote against Gaetz. I'm told by those in the Hill that Hegseth's probably the one who's in most trouble of these picks. And if Trump were to nominate Cash Patel for a for a job that would require Senate confirmation, he'd be in trouble as well. Which is why I'm told those in Mar A Lago are leaning towards installing him somewhere else, perhaps a deputy position where he wouldn't have to face that vote. And people who care deeply about intelligence in our country are very, very concerned about Tulsi Gabbard as well. So we will see. All right, the Hills Michael Schnell, thank you for reporting. Steve Ratner, thank you as well. Happy Thanksgiving to you both. Coming up, we'll take a quick break from news and politics with a preview of tomorrow's Thanksgiving Football Morning Joe's Back in a At United Rentals, we're helping connect the worksite. Our worksite Performance Solutions make it possible to manage who has access to your site and equipment and receive insights that help you monitor safety, productivity and sustainability. 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Another NFC north playoff contender, the Green Bay packers capped the holiday against the Miami Dolphins for the second year in a row. The NFL will feature a game on Black Friday, Kansas City Chiefs hosting the Raiders. Let's bring in the host of Pablo Torre finds out on Meadowlark Media MSNBC contributor Pablo Torre. Pablo, good to see you man. Good to be at the kids table with you guys. Yes, this is right where we belong. Yeah, it used to be that we tolerated the Detroit Lions on Thanksgiving, that it was just a tradition and maybe you'd see Barry Sanders rip off a few runs and that was fun. It was your aunt's dish that you didn't really love. But you're like, it's traditional. I guess we're doing the Lions again. But now they're arguably the best team in the NFL in one of the greatest divisions we've ever seen. And so for people who are not familiar with what the NFC north is this year, 10 and one lines at the top, second place nine and two, Vikings eight and three, packers four and seven, Bears. And so the Bears, look, the Bears are, you know, they're the low man on this totem pole. But the reality is the last two games they played NFC north opponents and they have been all, all nail, nail biters, you know, heartbreaking losses for the Bears. So to me the Lions, I know they're the, they're the in house pick for those scoring at home on that as well. We picked them as a show. Chiefs Lions for the Super Bowl. This is going to be really good. It's going to be really close. And these are not the Lions of your grandma. Not to now slander every relative in your, in your household but this is not them. This is, this is an exciting, supercharged team. Yeah, they're fun to watch. We'll skip the Giants first, second, go stay in the NFC with the packers who you know there are only two games behind the Lions and division and really as you said, Vikings look really good this year but the packers are right there too. Yeah, whatever. Sort of like portrait Of Dorian Gray arrangement Aaron Rodgers has had. Jordan Love has been thriving. Jordan Love, who came in to replace them, has looked every bit like a guy who should have replaced him even earlier. And their opponent here in the Dolphins, you know, again, it's hard not to focus on quarterbacks when you talk about these big sort of national TV games. But there's Jordan Love on one side and then Tua Tangawailoa on the other side. And Tua, for those not familiar with him, you know, a zillion concussions and he's back and it's like, should he be playing? And you sort of feel about Tua the way you feel about the NFL. Is this okay? Is this safe? What are we really doing here? And he was amazing, John, last week. Well, he didn't play an NFL team because he beat the 9th Patriots last week. You're a New England Patriots. But I, but I will say though, that the Dolphins, though, playing better of late. Kickoff temperature tomorrow night in Green Bay expected to be 26 degrees. The Miami Dolphins have lifetime record when it's that cold. Oh, and 187,000. So I'm pretty sure they're not going to win. But you talked about good stat. Quarterbacks. Yeah. Talk to us about the two quarterbacks who are playing in the Giants Cowboys game. One that I hope most of America has had enough. Turkey that the tryptophan kicks in. Sleep through. Can I make a plea to Jerry Jones? Just can I, like, look into this camera? He's watching. There's time to sign Daniel Jones. You can do it. So Daniel Jones, a Giants quarterback who has been disgraced, started at safety in a practice and now released per his own request. He's floating around out there. Give you a sense of like the quarterbacks in this game. Yeah, it's embarrassing. It's Cooper Rush for the Cowboys. It's not Tommy DeVito, because Tommy DeVito, Tommy, I think, is hurt right now, which means you go to Drew Lock. And so this is the bowl. I mean, this is the Sadness bowl, effectively, Giants, Cowboys. But if Jerry Jones wants to sign Daniel Jones and put some Real Housewives level of soap opera into this, yeah, I think America wants that. We all want this. Give us some excitement in this one. And you know, Daniel Jones is going to have the Saquon story, which is leave New York, have a Hall of Fame career after that. Truly speaking of New York quarterbacks, the jets don't play until Sunday, but Aaron Rodgers is addressing rumors that he wants out of New York next season. Here's what the 4 time MVP said on the Pat McAfee show, as far as my future goes, I haven't told anybody in my life that I want to play in 2025 and not in the Jets. So that's 100% false. I actually said the opposite. You know, I said that I'm going to wait and see what happens with at the end of the season and if they want me back and what happens with Brick and what happens with the offensive staff and obviously the GM at the time and you know, then they just fired Joe. There's a lot of things out of my control when it comes to that, but I've really enjoyed my time in New York. I mean, obviously we haven't had success that we've all wanted to have, but you know, I've made some great friendships on the team. I've enjoyed living in Jersey, I've enjoyed time in the city. I've enjoyed getting to know the fans and I came here to win here. So I'm not jumping off ship, you know, like, oh, I definitely want to play and not in New York. Like, I don't even know if I want to play yet, but New York would be my first option. Back page of the Daily News here is on this very topic. Rogers turns 41 years old on Monday. Said he'll base his decision on how his body feels. John, he's gotten everything that the jets he's asked of the Jets. He's gotten, you got the receivers to come in, he got the coach fired, all the other things. And yet still here he is and here are the Jets. The real question here is will the jets want him back? Aaron Rodgers has been so terrible this year and the jets have been so disappointing. It's not clear to me that they welcome him back with open arms. His quote was, I'm not ready to jump off ship yet. It's like cool. I'm glad the iceberg has weighed in on whether the Titanic is a worthy seafaring vessel. Look, Aaron Rodgers. You're right, Willie. Gm, coach, offensive coordinator, wide receivers. Nobody has been more powerful as a quarterback, as an employee of a professional sports team, arguably than Aaron Rodgers. And nobody has been more depersonalized and passive aggressive in how he talks about that responsibility. It's bizarre. And if you watch this TV show long enough, the Aaron Rodgers show explicitly, you know that he is shoveling a bunch of bleep. And do the jets still want to eat it? Well, we'll find out next season. He may grace them with his presence. Yeah, he's Had a terrible year. Let's look a little college football before we let you go, Pablo. Playoff committee's top four remains the same. The rankings came out last night. Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State. That's the latest rankings entering the final week of the regular season. Indiana drops five spots to 10 after that loss to Ohio State. Notre Dame replaces the Hoosiers at five, followed by Miami, Georgia, Tennessee and SMU. Good for them. Moving up four spots to number nine with Roommate in the top 12 by the absence of Alabama and Ole Miss at the sec. Both lost for the third time this season. Looks like three losses isn't going to make the cut this year. But can we talk about speaking of Alabama. Yes. Upset. They played Vanderbilt earlier this year. I don't know if you guys heard the situation. Bit of an upset. Alabama was number one at the time. You dig in. And in your latest podcast episode, you dig into the art of tearing down the goalposts, one of which was torn down. Vanderbilt walked three miles, I believe it was down to Lower Broadway and thrown into the Cumberland river by the Vandy family. It's just incredible video. So this has been the season of goalpost teardowns. I've never seen it like this. Vanderbilt, by the way, just not to just do this because Joe is not here and Willie is here. Let's just revel in this. Do you guys have the night vision police helicopter footage? Isn't that amazing? This is my favorite part. So if you want to know what an American tradition this is, this is a night vision police helicopter watching the mob of Vandy fans do what every fan base does with their goalposts, which is throw them into the body of water nearest to them. The uprights turn into a divining rod. They just search for water. And this is what happens. And the reality of what this tradition is is of course, it's unique to college football. You never see this in the NFL. This is self destruction in the most ecstatic, revolutionary way. Oklahoma, Alabama, just this past weekend, we saw it there. We saw it at ASU and byu. We see it at Lehigh and Lafayette. Across this nation, people are doing this. And simultaneously, I just want to warn you. Oh, this is the best. This is clanking a goalpost off the bridge in Lehigh, Pennsylvania. Oh, Lehigh. That's right. Bethlehem. There you go. Yes, yes. So what happens is this happens so often. They're trying to now stop this, okay? They big capital. They big goalposts. College administrators, night vision, police helicopters. There's an invention. Willie, I just want to. Can we show the hydraulic goalpost. Do we have this? Oh, I've seen these. Okay, so this is our animated. There it is. There it is. That was our animated illustrated guide as to how to tear this down. More difficult now because these exist. So when you watch college football this weekend, next week and most of the season, they have a big red button to put security on top of this thing and protect it. It's incredibly effective. It's avoided tear downs on my show, as you maybe glimpsed. We have an illustrated guide not endorsing this, but just saying if you wanted to do this, because it'll never be easier than it is right now before it officially gets banned. Get a crew. Wobble that thing. The gooseneck. It's like a Thanksgiving turkey. You attack the gooseneck by balancing. It's very complicated. I will note that when Columbia University won its first share of an Ivy League football title in 60 years. 60 years. This season, the goal post at Bakerfield remained upright. Not in the Hudson River. They had a good year, by the way, Columbia. I was worried you were going to say that it was going to be like electric shock. So that's gentle. That's kind. That may be next season as well. I learned from sources at Vanderbilt how expensive goalposts are. Yes. Wow. They're really. Oh, these are hundreds of thousands of dollars. Well, it's. What's funny is now big goalpost has been selling schools like you need a backup just in case. Yes. Because this happens a lot. I feel like, Pablo, we need a threshold, an agreed upon threshold for when the goalpost comes down. Like, no offense. Well, I don't want to. If you're Vanderbilt and you never beat Alabama number one and this never happens, that's a nice moment. But if it's like, you know, you beat three loss Alabama and your Oklahoma, do those really need to come down? Willie, this is where I disagree. I am a man in favor of a populist democracy. The people decide. The power is with the American people. How dare you? How dare you say it. They're a great. Pablo, I thought we were avoiding politics this next time. I know. Pablo, great to see you, man. Happy. Thanks. Man of the people. The podcast is Pablo Torre finds out more gems like this on Meadowlark Media. Pablo, thanks man. See ya. Still ahead, we'll speak with national security adviser Jake Sullivan to discuss the US brokered ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hezbollah and what comes next. Also ahead, Tony Award winning actress Idina Menzel joins us live in studio to preview her upcoming Broadway show and to discuss Wicked, the hit movie of the holiday weekend. Morning Joe's coming. Coming right back. Oh, look at the sun coming up over Reagan National Airport. 6:52 now in the morning on one of the busiest travel days of the year. Good luck. What do they say? Pack your patience in the old news broadcast like from anchorman. Pack your patience, folks. You're going to have to have that today. All right. Time now for a look at some of the other stories making headlines. The Pentagon is investigating a series of drone sightings near American military bases in the UK According to the Wall Street Journal, the Royal Air Force is assisting using equipment that can jam unmanned aerial vehicles. Officials say it is too early to attribute the activity to a state actor. A suspect on the FBI's list of most wanted terrorists was captured in the United Kingdom. 46 year old Daniel Andreas, San Diego, an animal rights activist was accused of planting bombs at two California companies in 2003. Officials say those corporations were targeted because of their connection to experiments on animals. No one was injured in the attacks. The FBI says it worked with British authorities to arrest the suspect, who's been on the run for more than two decades. And researchers say they have developed a new AI program that can create sounds that have never been heard before. A team at the computer chip company Nvidia is behind the idea. 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