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So we're going to cover all nine seasons, share behind the scenes stories and talk to our co stars and friends like Gina Torres and Aaron Korsh. So look, if you love Suits, Amazing, this podcast is for you. And if you've never watched Suits, also Amazing. You can join us and we'll watch it together. I think we're gonna have a lot of fun. Listen to sidebar wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget to follow the show so you never miss an episode. At long last, the Assad regime has fallen. This regime brutalized and tortured and killed literally hundreds of thousands of innocent Syrians. The fall of the regime is a fundamental act of justice. It's a moment of historic opportunity for the long suffering people of Syria to build a better future for their proud country. It's also a moment of risk and uncertainty as we all turn to the question of what comes next. The United States will work with our partners and the stakeholders in Syria to help them seize an opportunity to manage the risks. That was President Biden yesterday at the White House addressing the end of Bashar Al Assad's regime in Syria. We'll get a live report from the region and bring you expert analysis on this major development in the Middle East. Also ahead, we'll go through President elect Donald Trump's exclusive interview with NBC's Meet the Press, including his comments about wanting to jail the January 6th committee members issue pardons for Capitol rioters as well as his plans to undo a key piece of the 14th amendment. Plus, we'll bring you Joe's conversation with former President Bill Clinton. They had a wide ranging discussion on the future of the Democratic Party and much more. As the Clinton Presidential center celebrated its 20th anniversary over the weekend. And Juan Soto is going from the Bronx to Queens, agreeing to the largest contract in professional sports history. We'll have much more about that massive move for the New York Mets. Good morning and welcome to Morning Joe. It is Monday, December 9th. Good to be here with you all. With us, we have the host of Way Too Early, Jonathan Lemire, former supreme Allied commander of NATO, retired four star Navy Admiral James Tavridis. He is chief international analyst for NBC News, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, Richard Haase. He's author of the weekly newsletter Home and Away, available on substack and calmness, and associate editor for the Washington Post. David Ignatius is with us this morning. A great group to have with this major development. I got to say, it was the news this weekend, actually over the last week. DAVID ignatius, we're going to be getting to the story and all of the details, but I must say I've never seen anything quite like this since 1989, when you had one country and the Eastern bloc after another country just falling by the day after a bloody, bloody gridlock that, you know, costs 500,000 lives over more than a dozen years. Assad's Syria fell just like that. And just like that, brutal, tyrannical, 54 year reign over Joe. It was, it was a stunning day, conclusion to a war that's been so brutal, it began really in the days of the April spring in 2011, the uprising of the Syrian people against what's been a despotic regime now for decades. And to have it end so quickly, it's 10 days since this group, the HTS, began to sweep south from its headquarters in Idlib in northern Syria. And they were in Damascus, it seemed like in the blink of an eye. So it is a moment, as one of my sources in the Biden administration said, in which you could just see the needle of the compass of world affairs, turning away from Russia and Iran to real adversaries of the United States toward, we hope, better governance, a better chance for the Syrian people. I do worry as somebody who spent time in Syria with these very people who are doing the fighting rolled into Damascus. Among them are people who were jihadists who could pose a threat to the future security of Syria. But for the moment, what I was hearing yesterday from administration officials was a sense of this extraordinary change as a weakened Russia and weakened Iran reeling after Israel's overwhelming response to October 7th, really rewrote the basic rules of the Middle east and altered the balance of power. It is really hard, Admiral Servitis, to begin to explain how world affairs have been reordered. Of course, the Russians got into the Middle east several years ago for the first time since 1973 when Putin sent troops in. So you had Iran, you had Russia, you had Syria, and it really created a network of terror, a network of instability. Russia could launch that into Africa. You could have Iran funneling terrorist supplies into Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah. That just all got blown up this weekend. We don't know who the long term winners are going to be, but certainly the short term losers certainly look to be Iran, Russia and Assad. Absolutely correct. And just look at a map. If you think of it as that old game of risk we played as kids. Move goes the bridge that runs from Iran. You're showing it now over to Syria and to Lebanon to the Mediterranean Sea. Poof goes the Russian bases on the Mediterranean, the warm weather port that they have cherished the ideal of for so long as you show there now their ability to operate in that eastern Mediterranean gone overnight. So all of this is a remarkable twist of fate. I think military analysts are going to focus initially on what the hell happened here so fast. And it's kind of a combination, right? It's corruption and conscription difficulties, long running fuse in Syria, as David says. It's also the distraction of Russia tied up in Ukraine and Iran flattened by Israel. And then thirdly, let's not underestimate the rise of a charismatic leader. I think a lot of folks are getting to know Abu Mohammed Al Jelani, learn that name and we'll see where this goes. Is this going to be a new awakening as we all hope? David used the words we hope and I think we do. I think if you run the numbers here, you know, 25% chance it turns out really well and there's a secular country kind of emerges. I think 25%, it shuts down pretty quickly as, as jihadists take over. Maybe a 50% chance. It looks like Libya, which is an ongoing state of conflict. All just too soon to tell. But bottom line, it is confusion to our enemies and success, at least for the moment, for the democratic side of things, and they collapse. Mika, as, as we just heard in part because Russia, as Donald Trump even said on Truth Social this weekend, Russia has been gutted by Ukraine. They didn't have the force to help Assad in this time of need. And post October 7th, Iran has been gutted by Israel and attacks. They don't even have an air Defense, effective air defense right now. So these two powerful allies of Assad in Assad's time of need were nowhere to be seen. Well, let's take a look at exactly what happened and then get right to Richard Haass. Syrian rebels toppled the regime of President Bashar Al Assad over the weekend, ending his family's decades long rule. The rebels seized Damascus after a lightning advance across key cities like Aleppo and Homs. According to a senior Biden administration official, Assad has fled to Moscow where he has been granted asylum. As the news broke, celebrations erupted nationwide, even in regime strongholds. Meanwhile, Israel bolstered security near the Golan Heights, but stated it will not intervene. President Biden delivered remarks from the White House yesterday shortly after Assad's regime fell. Support Syria's neighbors, including Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and Israel, should any threat arise from Syria during this period of transition. I will speak with leaders of the region in the coming days. I had long discussions with all of our people earlier this morning and I'll send senior officials from my administration to the region as well. We will help stability, ensure stability in eastern Syria, protecting any personnel, our personnel, against any threats and will remain. Our mission against ISIS will be maintained, including the security of detention facilities where ISIS fighters are being held as prisoners. We're clear eyed about the fact that ISIS will try to take advantage of any vacuum to reestablish its capabilities and to create a safe haven. We will not let that happen. As I've said, this is a moment of considerable risk and uncertainty. But I also believe this is the best opportunity in generations for Syrians to forge their own future free of opposition. It would be a waste of this historic opportunity if one tyrant were toppled and only to see a new one rise up in its place. Richard Haass, your analysis on where this goes from here and maybe a brief bit on Joe Biden's foreign policy legacy. Where it goes from here. You know, the honest answer, no matter who you ask that question to, Mika, is we're not sure how it's going to play out historically. Traditionally, after revolutions succeed in their first phase of ousting the so called ancient regime, in this case the Assads, there's often a falling out among the various groups that were part of the effort because they agreed on what they were against, something very different to agree on what they're for and there's a scramble for power. So I think something like that is inevitable and the question is whether it comes together in some large struggle in Syria or whether you have something very different, almost a Patchwork quilt where Syria remains a country on a map. But the Kurds have this part, Turkish backed forces have this part. This Sunni group hts that took the lead here. They have large parts of Syria. I think that's the real question there. And I don't think we're going to have a whole lot of influence on this. I think the real question for the United States is how do we use this in some ways to try to influence our biggest concern in the region, which is Iran, and what is it we do in terms of taking advantage of a weakened Iran? Its proxies are on their heels. Iran itself is on its heels. What can we do now to deal with the nuclear challenge to try to reduce or cut off Iran's aid for proxies? What do we do about the regime itself? Must be a little bit worried. One other thought, Mika. Let me just put on the table what's so interesting. I was just in Saudi Arabia and the conversations I had with officials there was for the most part, you Americans have to get over your hostility towards Bashar Al Assad. He's there to stay. You've got to somehow normalize relations with him. The alternatives are worse. And what's interesting to me is how much people misread his so called stability and what this tells us about regimes and what was it about him? When I think it is, my own instinct here is he never really institutionalized it. So it was very brittle. And there's these, some of these, like China is an authoritarian regime, but it's not brittle, it's institutionalized the most. The most brittle regime in some ways I actually think is Russia because Putin has destroyed institutions there and he himself must be watching events a little bit uneasily. And then you've got the question of Iran. You know, they're almost in between. There's some institutions there, but also it's pretty top heavy. And I expect they're having some uneasy moments in Tehran right now. Yeah. And Jonathan Omar, obviously you look at all of the reasons why Syria fell at the end. U.S. sanctions through the years just gutted the economy. What money they did have was awash in corruption. And those fighters who had been fighting and dying for Assad through the years realized they were getting nothing back in return because there really wasn't a functioning state that was worth fighting for. And so overnight, as we've seen this week, Assad is now gone. But you look, following up on what Mika said, we're all obviously looking around and distracted by all everything that has happened since the election. But history is going to record the end of the Biden administration and it's going to see Russia and their military gutted at levels we haven't seen in our lifetime, weaker than levels we haven't seen in our lifetime. The ruble on the run and the economy close to being shattered. Are you going to see with Iran weaker than they've ever been since the 1979 revolution, they, in effect, don't have any air defense systems left. They are at Israel's mercy. And now you have Assad, who is gone. Now, of course, Joe Biden, as you know better than anybody because you follow him in Ukraine. He was always being attacked for doing too much or not doing enough. And Israel attacked too much for doing too much or not doing enough. Right. And in fact, chances are good Kamala Harris lost Michigan because people thought he was doing too much to help Israel out now. Well, too much, not enough, I don't know. But history is going to show that what he did in Ukraine to help the Ukrainians in their fierce fight against Russia and the supplies and weapons that he gave Israel gave them ability to do all of this and again have a map that is completely remade with people who consider themselves our enemies now weakened in historical manner and on the run. Yeah, all of that is correct, including a weaker Russia, including a weaker Iran, including perhaps its electoral impact here in the United States. But there's no question that Joe Biden will be seen as a deeply consequential foreign policy president with ramifications felt for decades. And certainly there's a note of uncertainty and even trepidation as to what might come next in Syria. But we should also just take a moment to think about the scenes we saw this weekend, the joyful scenes. Families reunited for the first time in years, prisoners who tasted freedom for the first time in decades. Just celebrations that spontaneous celebrations across the country. Statues of Assad being pulled down, even one large one being used, being pulled as a makeshift sled through the city streets with joyful men on top of it, believing that this is a new chapter in their lives and a new chapter for their country. Country so really remarkable there, even as we try to figure out what comes next. Joining us now to help us shed some insight. Joining us live from the Golan Heights is NBC News international correspondent Raf Sanchez. Raph, so good to see you. Give us the very latest there from the region, including how Israel, as we were just talking about how Israel played, you played a role here in some way and also might be looking at this as an opportunity yeah. Jonathan, good morning. So we're on the Israeli controlled side of the Golan Heights. We're looking out over southern Syria. Damascus is over the horizon that way. And 48 hours ago, Bashar Al Assad was in power there, as his family has been every day for more than 50 years in Syria. But today is a new day in Syria. In many ways, it is a new day in the Middle East. As you and the panel have been discussing, this coalition of Syrian rebels after this lightning fast advance that basically has brought an end to the 13 year civil war, are now in power in Damascus. They're consolidating control. And Bashar Al Assad has fled to Moscow. He has been granted asylum there, according to Russian state media. He's with his family. We believe that his wife Asma, a British born, former investment banker, is with him. Putin prepared to give him asylum, but was not there in his moment of need as these rebels were closing in. As you've been talking about Russia bogged down in Ukraine, Iran, Hezbollah weakened after more than a year of fighting with Israel. The largest of those rebel groups is called Hayat Tahrir Al Sham. It is an Islamist group. It has its origins in Al Qaeda. It is still considered a terrorist organization by the United States. But this is a group that is doing everything it can to try to signal to the people of Syria and to the world that it is moderated. It is saying there will be no revenge attacks against minorities. There will be no limitations on the rights of women inside of Syria. And President Biden said yesterday that the US Is clear eyed about what he called the grim record of terrorism of some of these groups, but that the US Will engage here and is hopeful, hopeful that this may be a moment to reshape a free Syria. Now you talked, Jonathan, about the joy across the country. I want to introduce you to Abdelkafi Alhamdo. He's a man I've known for nearly 10 years. And in December 2016, I said goodbye to him over the phone because I was convinced that he and his family were going to be killed. As the Assad regime closed in around their home in the city of Aleppo, they managed to escape. And I want to play you some sound from yesterday morning in the early hours when he received the news that the Assad regime had been toppled. Take a listen. Now you can't sleep and think of tomorrow. Now you can sleep while you know that justice is achieved. Now I can understand that my children will not be raised under oppression. Now, only now I can say that we we're free Syria. We're free people. So you saw him there cradling his young son, expressing his hope that his children will grow up without oppression and in a free Syria. Just a sign of. These are vast geopolitical events, but they mean so, so much to the hearts of individual people in that country. Guys. All right, NBC, thank you so much. 54 years of brutal, brutal tyranny from the Assads over just seemingly overnight. I want to, I want to talk about what this means for Iran and for Russia, obviously, the two big losers here thus far. David, let me start with you. Talk about what this means for Iran. So Iran, in the space of really the last three months, has seen its three key proxies, Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and now Assad in Syria, devastated by the force of Israeli arms. It's hard to imagine that it was just over a year ago, after October 7, 2023, that Israel looked so weak and traumatized by the horrible Hamas attack across the Gaza fence. Today, Israel has run the table. Its enemies are dead or they're in flight. Iran is weak in a way that we haven't seen, as was said earlier, since the revolution. And I think an interesting question for the US and the west is whether to continue to apply coercive diplomacy on Iran at a time when it can't really defend itself, to resolve this issue that haunts the Middle east, of Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Iran, the nuclear weapon would create a different environment, not the hopeful place we're talking about today, but something quite, quite scary. So I think there will be discussion with the new Trump administration and Israel about pushing the next step to get real limits on Iran and failing that, perhaps to take military action. But it's a moment in which you can see the arc of the Iranian revolution going up, going up, becoming so much, so much more powerful, really beginning to come down now as it loses power with its proxies and internally, well, I will say with Iran being at its weakest, in its weakest state since the 1979 revolution, not all of that is great news. If you live by the proverb, beware the man with nothing to lose. Right now, that is Iran. And David's exactly right now, a weekend Iran may be more desperate than ever to get nuclear weapons. Admiral Servitis, tell us, if you will, what the fall of Assad, the fall of Syria means to Russia and what tells us about just how weakened Vladimir Putin's war with Ukraine has left Russia. The right question. Before I go there, can I just add to something David was saying and that we've all been saying the weakness of Iran, let's not forget there's another proxy out there that has not been damaged is continuing strikes. Those are the Houthis on the Red Sea who have effectively shut down the Suez Canal and the Red Sea. I think that's a very tempting target set as we come off of the events of the last few days. Break, break. Let's go to Moscow. This has got to be a moment of real concern for Vladimir Putin. Your point is exactly right. Not only does he now have to take in Assad as this now vagrant coming with his family unbended knee to Moscow, but more importantly, it's the Russian prestige globally that takes a real hit here. It's the, it's the damage to the brand. I think you'd have to go back to Yevgeny Prigozhin's ill fated attempt to topple Putin a year or so ago to see how difficult this moment will be for Putin. So as I look at the hand of cards Putin has going into what I think everybody increasingly presumes will be a negotiation with Ukraine sometime in 2025, this is a sign of real weakness for Russia. That's good news for the United States alongside what we see from the weakening of Iran. So Richard, to close, just give us a sense of what to look for in the next couple of weeks, especially given that there's a presidential transition coming up and Donald Trump has said what he has said about NATO branching out a bit. What's the challenge for the Biden admin in the weeks to come before the transition? I think there's limited amounts the Biden administration can do here. That's not a criticism, it's just an observation of what you can do in 40 odd days. Let me just make it more broadly the choices facing the United States. One is, you know, we're obviously, I think, going to start pressing for a negotiated outcome in Ukraine. And I think the real question there is whether what's happened here makes Putin, because he's suffered such a strategic defeat here, whether that makes him more difficult or not against the backdrop of his systemic weakness to compromise there. But clearly we're moving towards a negotiated outcome in Ukraine. Vladimir Zelensky has articulated his readiness to accept it. I think the big question facing the United States, and it's essential to our conversation here, is less what we do in Syria, it's what we do as a result of Syria and everything else that's happened vis a vis Iran. And we have really two paths. One is to try to negotiate a deal with this Iranian government on the nuclear issue and on their support for all their proxies to essentially shut that down and say we'll relieve sanctions if you give us what we want on nuclear and proxies. That's one approach, but that would keep the regime in power. The other is to say, no, we're not interested in a deal right now and we're going to press ahead with sanctions and we're going to turn to military force to deal with the Houthis and with your nuclear program. And that's something the United States and Israel would do together. And I think for the Biden administration and then the Trump administration, we have reached a proverbial fork in the road when it comes to Syria about how we finally decide to deal with them at this moment of their real systemic or structural weakness. Richard Haass, retired Admiral James Tavridis and the Washington Post David Ignatius, thank you all very much for coming on this morning. And still ahead on MORNING joe, the White House national security communications adviser John Kirby joins us to talk about the ouster of Syrian President Assad. Plus, Axios co founders Jim Vande Hei and Mike Allen will be our guests to break down how the media is now splintering into dozens of news bubbles and why finding common ground could be even more complex. Also ahead, Joe's conversation with former President Bill Clinton about what Democrats need to do in the wake of the presidential election. You and I have now been friends for years. We've got our political differences and we got a political history. But I know you, I think, and I like you. Now, suppose you and Mika just did a makeover of your living room. Then you asked me to come visit and I visit. And it is beautiful. Everything about it is beautiful. Except in the corner you've got this beautiful curved couch, but behind the couch there's a pink elephant. Yeah. And now I could ask you, I said, I guess you're still a Republican. You just turned a little pink or something. We could do it refined almost. Doesn't matter what I say. The one thing I cannot do is to come in, drink your coffee, talk about how beautiful your living room is and turn around and not mention the pink and ignore it. Which reminds me, unhcr, the UN Refugee agency, responds to emergencies and provides long term solutions for refugees in more than 130 countries, including Ukraine, Syria and Afghanistan. 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Cheney was behind it and so was Benny Thompson and everybody on that committee for what they did. Honestly, they should go to jail. So you think Liz Cheney should go to jail for what? Everyone on the committee. You think should I think everybody on the anybody that voted in favor. Are you going to direct your FBI director and your attorney general to send them to jail? No, not at all. I think that they'll have to look at that. But I'm not going to. I'm going to focus on drill, baby, drill. I'm going to look at everything. We're going to look at individual cases. Yeah. Okay. But I'm going to be acting very quickly within your first 100 days. First day. First day. First day. Yeah. I'm looking for issue these pardons. These people have been there how long is it? Three or four years. You know, by the way, they've been in there for years and they're in a filthy, disgusting place that shouldn't even be allowed to be open. Let's bring in the co founders and CEO of Axios, Jim Vande Heij and co founder of Axios, Mike Allen. We're going to get guys to the article about the splintering of the media. But first obviously we should address this. Jim Vande Heij, quote, they should go to jail. Liz Cheney, Benny Thompson, Adam Kinzinger, everybody else on the committee. That is obviously, you know, that's obviously a red siren. And I would say specifically for Joe Biden when he's talking about what part pardons need to be issued but for everybody post election that said, oh well, you know, people didn't want the fascist rhetoric. They didn't want the harsh retribution. They were voting because of the price of bread and gasoline. Well, Donald Trump post election still talking this way. What's it mean? Well, I think let's separate those two. Like I think the idea that members of Congress who were doing their job, doing their investigation, came up with their conclusions and then reported those should go to jail. Obviously we've never heard any other president in history say that that would be the case. He wasn't crystal clear. He's going to follow through with that. Obviously it's something that bothers him, troubles him to the point that he brought it up again. But I would separate that from the January 6th pardons which he made crystal clear. He's doing it looks like he's doing it on day one. And I think like in terms of issues where there's like a massive two different lenses on it, nothing captures it more than this. Like to a lot of people, to probably us, like people stormed the US Capitol, people were injured, people were killed. The proceedings of the seat of freedom were disrupted. And now those people, it sounds like they'll be set free and he'll do it on the first day in office. And I think it's one of the reasons, one of the many reasons Democrats were so ticked off at Joe Biden for pardoning Hunter because they feel like, ah, man, now we don't even have the moral high ground to be able to say that this is absurd. But make no mistake that the president in that interview, which was very, very newsy interview, very newsy interview because he said he's going to do that on day one. A lot of executive orders, including many covering immigration on day one. He was even clear that if you are here illegally and party, your family is not, that they might force the entire family to leave the country. And so when they talk about the hierarchy of people that they're going to remove from the country, yes, it starts with criminals. But he made it pretty elastic. And we should take him at his word because he's been following through on that. Yep. And by the way, Wall Street Journal headline here talking about Donald Trump wanting to get rid of birthright citizenship, let's just say right here that's not going happen. That's a constitutional amendment. Not going to happen. But still, the headline is going to be out there. People are going to chase after it. Mike Allen, very, very good point that Jim just made. Whenever he was talking about persecution against people that investigated him, for the most part, it was more generalized. They should go to jail. Jack Smith for what he did, etc. Etc. Are you going to do it? No. I'll let Pam Bondi look at it. Cash Patel look at it. It. But the one thing he was very specific about, as you all noted, was January 6th, rioters that were going to be released. And my question is this. When push comes to shove on January 20, on January 21, is he really going to pardon people that were violent, that beat the hell out of cops, that gassed cops, that used bear spray against cops? Because if so, there will be a tremendous backlash, even from people who voted for him. No, that's right. And Joe, that's why the people around him, the people he's talking to, the people in his ear, people who are calling his cell phone, matter so much because we saw President Elect Trump repeat in this great interview with Kristen Welker the fact that he sees success as his retribution. He's talking about the golden age of America that he wants to create. And yet, absolutely, he leaned in to this. Christian Welker asked him, oh, are you going to do this within the first hundred days. And that's when he said first day. And Joe, I can tell you as I talk to Republicans, as I talk to people in the Trump transition, they say that the Hunter Biden pardon will be a big part of their talking point. If they go ahead with some of these pardons, that they will say, you open the door, it's a threat on the sweater they absolutely will pull. Yeah, well, again, they can use those, Jonathan Omeir if they want to, but you're going to get family of cops that had the hell beaten out of them for just doing their job, defending the people's House, defending the United States Capitol. Good luck with that. Politically, it will not go well. You go, hunter Biden, Hunter Biden. They'll go, yeah, well, that guy that you just let out of jail that was sentenced 10 years for beating the hell out of a law enforcement officer, you know, that's on you. I want to read you what Liz Cheney had to say. Here is the truth. Donald Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 presidential election and seize power. He mobilizes an angry mob and sent them to the United States Capitol where they attacked police officers, invaded the building and halted the official counting of electoral votes. Cheney said Donald Trump's suggestion that members of Congress who later investigated his illegal and unconstitutional action should be jailed, as is a continuation of his assault on the rule of law and the foundations of our republic. And Jonathan Lemire for a new incoming president. You know what? That is not the fight he wants to pick. I mean, he may want to pick that fight, but it's just not going to end well. It's not the fight he should pick, but it very well may be the fight he chooses to pick. Yes, these are, it is a deep concern. Who knows what charge these January 6th members of the committee would be actually hit with if he were to do this. And I think there's a few things, things to hit here. First, on the, on the pardons point, I mean, they can use the Hunter Biden thing as a talking point, but these pardons were coming anyway. There's nothing to do with Hunter Biden. Let's be clear about that. That's first. Secondly, on the deportations piece of this, which is again, he leaned into, he doubled down. He said, well, I wouldn't separate families this time around like he did in the first term. That's because I would deport entire families. And I do think there's, there's a lot of people, Democrats who are so despondent Right now, who do wonder if, if in those early days of the Trump administration, were he to follow through with this, that would be the moment that would electrify the opposition to the protests. Were he to actually do it, we'll have to see. If he does, there'll be a lot of pushback, even from the business world, which he cares about quite a bit. But he's at least to this moment saying that he will. And lastly, Joan Mika, this idea that he said, well, I wouldn't direct people under me to carry out these arrests, to carry out targeting my political opponents, that's giving him some plausible deniability. Maybe he won't on January 21st say, hey, arrest Liz Cheney. He's already directed it. He has said these names over and over and over four months. They've already take their cues. That would be that be at his behest were this to happen. For sure, we have to see how these choices pan out as well and whether some of them get through or not or how they're put in place. And also, Donald Trump will have a decision to make for himself. What will be more important to him on day one. Meetings with leaders, Democrats and Republicans, working on policy and legislative action and perhaps getting things done, meeting goals or starting this way, which would make it very hard for any of those other things to happen. That's a big choice. Also, Adam Schiff, who was on the committee, he's being sworn in as a senator today and he will be joining us later on Morning Joe. You know, Jim, there are two doors, all right, And Carol Merrill's behind. You know, you got to tell Carol Merrill which door to open up here. That's an old Price is right thing. Bob Barker, but the two doors Donald Trump talks about, hey, I want to move forward. I want to make America great. I want our economy stronger than ever. I want to focus on making this country great again. There's that door you can open or there's the door that we saw in 2017 where the first months were just completely crippled by one protest after another protest after another protest. And of course, Republicans got slaughtered in 2017 elections, from the suburbs of Pennsylvania to Virginia. 2018, they lost. 2019, they lost. The question is whether he's going to repeat himself because he can't do two things right. He can't look forward and work on a legacy that he thinks is going to be about making America greater and stronger and more powerful than ever before while going after political opponents. I think he would argue otherwise. He would argue, watch me, I'm going to do both. They're very clear when you talk to him, they think they can do both. The way we look at it is they basically assembled a team and kind of an idea of creators and destroyers. The creators are the people who are going to be getting the economic jobs and the jobs around energy jobs where you can create, where you can create momentum in the economy, create growth, create new jobs, create new industries. At the same time, they have these destroyers at FBI or DNI or at the Pentagon if he gets his way. Where they feel like they do want to go after both their enemies, but also they want to go after what they consider, like, useless bureaucracies. They really do think they can take the wrecking ball on one side while building on the other. I agree it's very difficult. Governing is a hell of a lot harder than talking. But they are hell bent on doing it. And if you look at the people they're surrounding themselves with, it's people that egg them on. Right. Like, if you think about the theology of, like an Elon Musk, it's like, yes, you, you can do a lot more than people think you can do. It might be ugly, it might be messy, but at the end of the day, you're going to have a hell of a lot more success if you choose that route. That is a route they will go down. Well, if they, if they try to go down both routes again, like I said, it won't end well. Yeah, they're going to lose in 20. You know, they'll lose 25 elections, 26 elections, 27 elections, but they can try it. So, Jim and Mike, you are out with a recent piece for Axios looking at the growing divide and how Americans consume their news. It's entitled Shards of glass inside media's 12 splintering realities, in which you label and explain the dozen different ecosystems that you say modern media consumers inhabit, starting with the musketeers. Jim, take it from here. Yeah, I think, listen, it goes back to the beginning of this conversation. Is there a big segment of the country that thinks it's okay to pardon the people who stormed the Capitol on January 6th? The truth is, there are, and a lot of that has to do with information. I think the most useful thing for your viewers is stop thinking about news and start thinking about information. That's how people's minds get molded. It's what are they consuming? A little bit of news, a little bit news adjacent, some of it just nonsense. But that is like the information bubble. And it used to be that all of us Kind of looked through the same window. Go back 15, 20 years ago, a couple of newscasts, a couple of cable stations, newspapers, all the same standards that's now been shattered. And so tell me how much you make or where you work or what you do, and I'll tell you where you get your information from. And that information bubble that you live in could be completely different from the person sitting next to you. And that's what's new, right? If you're a young guy who's interested in fitness and kind of vaguely interested in the news, you're getting your news from the musketeers, right? A little bit on acts, probably listen to Joe Rogan, might be listening to Huberman podcast on longevity in health. And what's really fascinating to me is the thought experiment I give people is you could be sitting at a table with people of different ages from different regions, and every person around that table might be getting their news on a platform you've never visited, from people that they trust, that you've never heard of, and getting hopped up about a topic that's never come across your desk. That's new. And I think we have to reckon with a lot of our politics, a lot of our cultural issues, a lot of our conflict. It's all downstream from information. So if you're in business or you're just interested in what's happening in the country, you have to get your mind around this shattered glass phenomenon. So, Mike, Al, let's get you to weigh in on a couple of these other bubbles. Bubbles you pick. You pick in terms of ones you feel most important. Although I'll note that of these, there's the Instagrammers, there's the right wing grandpas, still listen to Fox News, but the kids, the kids tick tock. Which is the very future of that platform now in doubt. No, Jonathan, here's a fascinating fact about these fragmented realities, these shards of glass, because there's very little overlap among them, right? If you tell me your ideology, your job, your income, your location, your age, like, I can put you in one of these shards. But whereas we used to say, oh, like there isn't shared reality anymore, now there aren't even shared topics. Like those Instagrammers, the right wing grandpas that you mentioned, they're talking about different things. Case in point, last week I was asked to go on TV and talk about the pardons, and they said, can you come on and talk about lawfare? Okay, that's probably not NBC or msnbc, right? Like that is from the right and so different Topics. And here's a real wrinkle. Ben labold, the White House communications director, a senior advisor, told Jim to me for a column that we wrote on the shards of glass phenomenon, that when they're looking at Americans voters, consumers ages 18 to 35, there could be something that's the lead of Morning Joe or Axios and they're not even aware of it. Or it's an 8 second, 9 second clip with a totally different context. So a 90 minute debate becomes they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats. That's a remix right on. Jonathan TikTok and of course the so interesting the universe that Axios and Morning Joe fit neatly in, Jim, is what universe? It's basically, if you think about elites, and I hate that term, but it's people who are looking to get informed about what's happening in the news on a day to day basis, largely to do their job or because they're deeply involved in government or in civic debates. And you know, that's what so you think about like, you guys have a good day, you might have 2 million viewers, right? We have a good day, we might get 2 to 5 million people coming to the site. That's not 330 million people. And it's a very valuable slice. I think it's where people who are running companies, running media, running government go to to get informed. But like Mike said, there could be an entire population of people who are taking little pieces of that and running with in ways that would be indistinguishable to how we even talk about it or how we write about it. And you can sit there and say, ah, this sucks man, I really want to go back. You can't go back in time. Like we have no choice but to realize that the world is changing and basically you just have this collision of information consumption, politics and business, technology all at once. Intellectually, I find it quite invigorating, quite interesting. I think all kinds of new ideas and new business will be born from it. And I think your job, our job is to try to look at this stuff as clinically as possible. Be curious, not condescending. And I think that's what we all do when we're doing our very best. When we don't do that, people dunk on us. Well, you know, the thing is, I loved reading when I read the article, I had somebody show it to me and I was just absolutely fascinated by it because it really does, it really does show you the world that we're living in right now. And not again. It's not something that I look at and I'm horrified by. It's like something I look at. Go. Okay. Yes. All right. So There are these 12 right now silos and a lot of times they don't cross each other. How do you get your silo and start moving out to some of the other areas and understand them a lot better? I was at an appointment the other day and a woman was talking about her parents. I think they in their right wing grandpa category, I'm not sure. And they are convinced from what they had been reading that hurricanes were brought here by our enemies. And convinced, absolutely convinced. And there were a couple of other pieces of information that were dis. Information that were just. That is now part of their reality. So it's also that problem. You guys have just scratched the surface here. This piece is amazing and we should talk about it more. Axios co founders Jim Vande Hei and Mike Allen, thank you both very much for this and we'll see you soon. Up next, Pablo Torre and Paul Feinbaum join us with the biggest storylines from the NFL and the College Football Playoff now set with one notable omission. Roll Tide. We'll be right back. Hell's gates are open. 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Sam Darnold keeps it alive. Darnold on the run. Open man coverage. Blown. Walk in. Touchdown Justin Jefferson. Mayfield goes underneath, gets it to McMillan and he is going to stroll in for the Tampa Bay touchdown. Second and five. Wilson has it, throws it, Got the touchdown. Van Jefferson. It is Herz dancing, firing, scoring. It's a touchdown to Calcatera and Philadelphia takes the lead. Crider the snap. Dylan the hold the kick. No good. On a day where special teams failed the Saints time and again. A special teams play decides it. Good time to the end zone. Got it. Smith touchdown. The Dolphins win. Here they go. Following the timeout. Purdy looking Enzo and he throws. Touchdown Juwan Jennings. I don't know how many organized football leagues there are for three year olds. That was. That was news to me on a give. Charbonnet first down and more. Charbonnet turning on the Jets. Charbonnet takes it to the house. Touchdown Seahawks. They blitz. Stafford sees it. Nikola gets a block. He might go. Nikola scores. Touchdown Rams. It is Mahomes on the roll. Mahomes pumping stops, throws complete for Kelsey in the first down. They've done it again. Mahomes to Kelce. Chargers can't stop it. The kick will come from Matthew Wright. This is for the division, for the Chiefs. And right off the upright and in for the division. It's the D for the division for the Chiefs. That is the most Chiefs thing ever in 2024. The most chiefs thing ever. Unbelievable. Another. Another win. Just barely. So let's bring in those from the top plays across NFL yesterday including the Chiefs once again winning barely thanks to a walk off field goal from their third string kicker. Let's bring in those Pablo Torre finds out on Metal Arc media MSNBC contributor Pablo Torre and ESPN come data Paul Feinbaum. We're going to get both of them on the College Football Playoff in just a moment. But Pablo, let's First of all, talk about the good, the bad, the ugly yesterday the good the 49ers look like the 49ers again. The Steelers now 10 and 3 if you can believe that they are looking solid. The bad New York, my God, the jets, the Giants. It is seriously just miserable. The ugly My Atlanta Falcons now four game lose streak. What were your takeaways from week 14? We've moved from me wanting a scientist to evaluate the Kansas City Chiefs, the luckiest team I believe in the history of sports to we need a priest. We need a priest to examine this. Joe. We're in the realm of the supernatural. This is by the way, this game in particular. They win this on a doin field goal going left, bouncing in right, kicked by Matthew Wright. And if you don't know who Matthew Wright is, that's okay. Nobody did. He's the third string kicker, the third string kicker and that is the third kicker of the Chiefs season to win with a field goal as time expired to get yet another victory in an improbable run that everybody is just like, what do you do with this? What do you do with the team that feels like just a billionaire getting tax cuts when it comes to good fortune, it's totally unnecessary how they're doing it. They are doing it. So I'm just, I am flabbergasted as always by this team. Yeah, I will, I will tell you, this reminds me, Vikings team a few years ago that kept winning by, you know, a touchdown or a field goal and when they collapsed, they collapsed. This is, this is not a team. Even though I picked them and I always pick my homes when it gets cold towards the playoff, always pick it. This is not a team that's going to win the Super Bowl. I just don't think. Yeah, that's a bold, bold, bold. I know, I'm betting against the field, but Paul Feinbaum, we're going to get to college in a second but just have to talk about Bryce Young. Here's a guy that the Carolina fans were ready to throw away six or seven games ago. Bryce has had a remarkable run the last three or four games and if he actually had some support, they would have beaten the Chiefs and the Eagles. Of course it works out best for him because the more they lose, not because of him, the better draft pick they get next year. But Bryce Young, he's suddenly looking like that guy we saw for 40 years at Alabama. No, Joe. And what's so remarkable is that literally everyone in that community and around, around the world of the NFL Wrote him off. I mean, he was down. He was bench. I mean, this isn't just some guy being bench. I mean, this is a Heisman Trophy winner, the number one pick. And he just has nothing around him because that is in contention for the worst franchise in really modern history. And that's saying a great deal considering that Daniel Snyder is still alive somewhere. Incredibly, though, they're coming so close and really he's. He's done everything imaginable. He doesn't have great receivers. I mean, last week he was about to win the game in overtime and his running back fumbled. Yesterday, you saw against the Eagles, an NFL receiver can't make a simple catch. But. But it is one of the greater comeback stories of a guy on a team that's only won three games. He won't get any awards, but he deserves some. Yeah, that, that would have capped off. If an NFL receiver could actually catch a touchdown pass. That would have capped off a 90. That's right yard drive. Pablo. And that, that would have been where the legend begins. Any final thoughts on the NFL? Pablo? Oh, I'm just. I'm just glad to celebrate the end of the Jet season with you guys. We've talked about Aaron Rodgers so much. He has a documentary, by the way, coming out next week. It's great timing for me because I happen to enjoy just the schadenfreude of that dude basically being paraded out there as if this season did not happen when this season was worse than last season when they didn't have Aaron Rodgers. But who's keeping score at home at this point? It's very funny for me. Enjoy being here with you guys talking about Aaron Rodgers as always. Glad, glad we can make your morning. Longest playoff route of any team and professional sports, any team in any sport in America. And the jets haven't beaten Miami and Miami, I think, since 2014. Now, Paul, let's get to why I came today. Other than Celia and threats, political threats. Listen, the college playoffs and even going to 12. It's a joke how they do it. Nick Saban said it yesterday. The fact that they don't set this up like you set up March Madness, where you actually get the four best teams and you put them the head of the four brackets. Just listen to this. I hear Pablo sighing already because he was probably one of those guys saying, yes, TCU deserves to be in a couple of years ago. So we now have in Indiana and smu, Paul, we have two teams, two teams in the playoff that haven't won a single game against the top 25 opponents all year. All year. And they're going to get crushed in this playoff. And the committee knows it's a joke. I don't know why they've set this up in the way. But merit has nothing to do with any of this. And let me just say, for people out there that are saying. I'm saying this because of Alabama. No, no. I was saying yesterday, you lose three games in Alabama, you don't deserve to go to a playoff. But two things can be true at the same time. This system is terribly flawed. It has nothing to do with merit. It has the committee going, oh, we have to be fair to TCU because they beat Nutley High by three touchdowns. I mean, and you've got teams like Alabama that beat Georgia, that beat South Carolina, who of course beat Clemson, that beat Mizzou, beat three top 20 teams, and SMU, who's 02 against top 20 teams. Now, here's the second part of it. The top four seeds, Paul. The top four seeds. Two of those four seeds, Arizona State and Boise State, who would. Both of them would lose five to six games if they played inside the sec. Easily. Easily. So, Paul, here's my question to you as an Alabama fan, and I'm dead serious. Why wouldn't Alabama leave the SEC and either become independent or go. I'm serious. Or go play in the ACC where quality wins. I kid you not. Quality wins are considered Duke, Wake Forest and Louisville. I'm totally serious. I think it's stupid for us to stay in the sec. Stupid. Because if we go out of the SEC where we beat each other up weekend and week out, we get to go to the playoffs every year our team's not beat up, and we can win one national championship after another. Pablo, I can't help but think a year ago this morning, we were all gathered here together and Alabama had gotten in the playoffs. And it was a much different mood than this funeral we're having today. Joe, let me. Let me get to your question. And you're right in everything you said, except I don't think the Alabama should leave the sec. First of all, SMU is in the playoffs. Do you know why? Because they beat Duke. They beat Duke, not Mike Krzyszewski in basketball, but they being Duke in football, that is their card. That's how they got in. As far as your other question, it really is an important question, Joe, because right now I feel very comfortable that the head of the SEC and the head of the Big Ten are having very serious conversations. These two Men control college football. And the only. I'm not going to give you a long explanation, but the only reason we have this playoff today is because other commissioners tried to torpedo it. After Oklahoma and Texas entered the SEC, they threw a fit. They tried to block the 12 team playoff that had already been announced. So they had to compromise. You understand that they made a deal for this year. It won't look the same next year. And when the TV contract runs out at the end of 25, it will look dramatically different. It has to be seated. And if it's seated correctly, Alabama is in and SMU is doing whatever SMU does this time of the year. You know, it seems to me that, you know, Pablo, when you have these ESPN shows that talk about it and Booger comes on and he talks about how Nutley High School's JV team went 12 and oh, so they should deserve to be in. The big lie that this is all based on is that all conferences are created equal, right? So, so the smu, they, so SMU deserves it because they got to the ACC conference championship. Clemson deserves it because they won the acc. Now let me, let me give everybody a little stat over. Well, let me ask you, Pablo, over the past 25 years, how many national championships do you think the SEC has won? So I looked it up and I know over the last 20 the SEC has had 10 champions or finalists. Champions are runner ups, which is a crazy step. But what do you got? What's your number? I got, I've got, and I'm counting Texas now, who won in 2005, I see what's happening. This is the only win. 20 out of 25 national championships this century have been SEC teams, whether it's Auburn or Florida or Alabama or LSU. Texas in 2005, who of course win Southwest Conference. But I'm just saying, this lie that the committee holds up and that booger McFarland holds up every year all conferences are created equal. Just an absolute joke. And it means fans don't get to see the best play teams. Paul's got something. Paul, what you got? And Joe, what One, one more thing. After Texas beats Clemson in two weeks, do you know what Clemson's record will be in the SEC this year? It will be 03 because Clemson lost Georgia on the opening weekend, 34 to 3. They lost to South Carolina, which is in the second tier of the SEC. Trying to get to the first tier on their home field, Joe. And you know they're going to lose to Texas. So that's the comparison. It's going to be right there for America to see that the representative of the ACC will likely almost positively be 03 against the best conference. That's how ridiculous this really is. And here's where I agree with you, Joe. As much as I do detect a distinct whiff of the Alabama Tuscaloosa cabal trying to orchestrate a better future for its, for its citizens. This is a 12 team field for the first time. I just want to reiterate that it is a success on the level of. Look at all of the Sturm und Drang, I believe they say in Germany about the 12th spot, right? So the whole idea at the outset was this is going to be boring. Everyone's just going to get in whatever. And meanwhile, here you have a dream scenario for everybody not in the sec. You have Alabama and its constituency saying, how dare you leave out the biggest, baddest team in the history of college football. Because they were fighting for that last spot. And because. Because this coalition, this rainbow coalition of conferences decided to enshrine collectively the ACC championship game. And so Paul is right. In the near future you will see a two party system, Big Ten and SEC threaten to take their ball and go home. Because when it comes to the business of this, what is a shame for me as somebody who enjoys watching the emotional roller coaster, the emotional wooden roller coaster that tends to be Alabama, is that I can't. You guys are going to be in the Reliaquest bowl, which I'm reliably informed is a real thing. You'll play Michigan in that. Good luck. Have fun. It would be more fun if Alabama was, you know, in the dance, in the big one, as always. Well, because. And again, it's not because of Brand, it's not because of conference. Alabama beat Georgia. That's true. Alabama beat South Carolina, which Clemson lost to also badly. Oklahoma. Yeah, yeah. Well, so yeah, you know why? Because you go through the SEC schedule and you get the hell beaten out of you week after week after week after week. If we were playing Duke, I'm serious, Duke and then Wake Forest and then Louisville and then Oklahoma, okay, our players would be smoking cigars at halftime. I mean, that's just the way it is. But this is. I just, I'm going to leave into this and then we got to go. All I want is a merit based system. And this is not about a two party system. To think, Paul. All I want the playoffs in college football to look like is March Madness where you've got, you know, who are the four best teams and you know, that they're going to be the ones that are number one in their bracket, if that were the case here. And then you do it, the number two is that way and the number threes and the number fours that way, there'd be no problem here. You actually do it based on merit. Well, the only good news is this is so bad that it will get better. And I feel very confident in reporting to it. They're working on it as we speak, but we're stuck with it this year. It's still better than it was. Joe, you and I remember when the polls used to pick it and you might have two or three different champion, so it's great improvement. But this idea of Little League baseball, of giving everyone a trophy, and that's essentially what they did to SMU on Saturday night. They were, they were getting blown out. They made this heroic comeback and this committee is watching this all together at a five star resort outside of Dallas. And they all go, we can't deny smu. And the SMU coach said it would be criminal if they left them out. It's actually criminal that they let them in. So we have, we have buried the lead. Oh, I, we don't have to get this necessarily in this sports. We don't need to cover this. Pablo Torre, briefly. Juan Soto signs a record $765 million contract with the New York Mets. And it's not just that he chose the Mets over the Yankees. Yeah, he left the Yankees to sign with the Mets. It is a new era in New York baseball. Yeah. This is the largest contract in the history of sports. Bigger than Leo Messi, Patrick Mahomes, anybody on the planet. I have never seen this. I'm a little shaken. John the anxious. I'm enjoying that. I am noticing your shot in Freuda to just keep on using the German here today. It's bad. It's bad. And Juan Soto. Look, Steve Cohen, this is what happens if you fell asleep for 20 years and you woke up and you said, wait a minute, a Guy is getting 700, he's getting the GDP of Micronesia over 15 years to side with the Mets. What the bleep is happening? Steve Cohen is one of the hundred richest men in the world. He's a billionaire, a private equity guy, hedge fund guy. Excuse me, want to get that detail right? Steve Cohn has said I have all of the money. I'm going all in. Whatever you thought George Steinbrenner was the late great George Steinbrenner, it's me now. I am him. I'm going to get this guy and they did. And I just, I haven't seen it like this. This is an embarrassment for the Yankees and it's a problem because the Mets, as we know, had a miracle playoff run and now they have all of the firepower that the Bronx used to and it doesn't feel good. Host of Pablo Torre Finds out on Meadowlark Media Pablo Torre and ESPN Spine Bomb thank you both. So sad. He looks like an Alabama fan from OP on Sunday. I'll tell you what, Mika Mika Hell's gates are open. Get ready to save humanity in Diablo 4 Vessel of Hatred. 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