Morning Joe | September 16, 2025

Episode Summary: New Details About Suspect in Murder of Charlie Kirk

Overview

This episode dives deeply into breaking details about the suspect in the murder of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, ahead of the suspect's first court appearance. The hosts and guests analyze the investigation—including the online confession and evidence, FBI Director Kash Patel’s handling of the matter, and the broader national political response. The conversation expands to explore rising political violence, the debate over hate speech and the First Amendment, and President Trump’s latest legal battles against the media, before closing on his upcoming unprecedented second state visit to the UK.

Key Discussion Topics & Insights

1. Update on Charlie Kirk Murder Investigation

(Starts ~01:07)

• Suspect's Background & Evidence

  • The 22-year-old suspect is to be indicted for first-degree murder; possible federal charges to follow (Attorney General Pam Bondi, [01:07]).
  • The Washington Post reports the suspect confessed in a group chat:

    “hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this.” ([01:07])

  • Forensic evidence links suspect to the crime: DNA on a screwdriver found on a rooftop, and DNA from a towel wrapped around the discarded firearm ([03:08] - Ryan Reilly).
  • Law enforcement is conducting broad digital forensics, including searches and device seizures from the suspect and their romantic partner ([03:08]).

• Motive & Political Affiliations

  • The suspect lacked clear political party registration but left anti-fascist messages; explicit intent noted in text exchanges:

    "He, the suspect, specifically stated that he had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk ... when he was asked why, he said some hatred cannot be negotiated with." (Ryan Reilly, [03:08])

2. FBI's Handling & Legal Challenges

(04:23 – 08:29)

• FBI Director Kash Patel's Public Role

  • Concerns raised over Patel's public comments on Fox News potentially complicating prosecution or giving defense attorneys material to challenge later ([04:52] - Jonathan Lemire).
  • Discussion of DOJ’s lack of a domestic terrorism statute, complicating federal charges ([04:52] - Jonathan Lemire).
  • Institutional “brain drain” and instability noted at the FBI in the Trump administration, especially regarding experts on domestic terrorism ([06:50]).

• Law Enforcement Resource Shift

  • FBI has deprioritized right-wing domestic terrorism, reallocating resources to immigration and other Trump administration priorities ([06:50] - Jonathan Lemire).

3. Political Reactions & Rhetoric

(08:40 – 11:44)

• Radicalization and Blame

  • President Trump attributes the suspect’s radicalization to the internet and "the left":

    "It looks like he became radicalized over the Internet and it's radicalized on the left. ... A lot of problems with the left and they get protected and they shouldn't be protected." (Trump, quoted by Scarborough, [08:53])

  • Vice President J.D. Vance guest-hosts a memorial episode of the Charlie Kirk show, asserting:

    “People on the left are much likelier to defend and celebrate political violence. ... one side has a much bigger and malignant problem. ... most of the lunatics in American politics today are proud members of the far left.” (Vance, [10:00])

    • Hosts and commentators push back on this both-sides framing.

• Trump Administration Pledge

  • Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller vows a crackdown:

    “…we are going to use every resource we have ... to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.” (Miller, [10:58])

4. Political Violence, Double Standards, and Media Narrative

(12:00 – 23:04)

• Response to Political Assassinations

  • Criticism of hypocrisy in lowering flags, referencing the murder of Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman (Democrat) and lack of White House recognition:

    "Had the governor of Minnesota asked me to do that, I would have done that gladly." (Trump, quoted by Scarborough, [12:22])

  • Scarborough highlights the numerous attacks on Democratic lawmakers and questions the selective outrage of right-wing figures.

• Condemnation of Violence on All Sides

  • Scarborough’s emotional reflection:

    "Anybody who celebrates political violence is sick ... They're all Americans. They're all precious in God's eyes. And the attack against them must be condemned as strongly as possible ... We have to come together or this will continue." ([22:00]–[23:04])

• Media and Political Exploitation

  • Immediate politicization after the shooting, with some only caring about the shooter’s political affiliation for narrative gain ([23:04] – David French).

5. Debating the Limits of Free Speech

(24:00 – 29:54)

• Attorney General Bondi’s “Hate Speech” Crackdown

  • Bondi signals a government crackdown on hate speech:

    “We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle.” (Bondi, quoted by Geist, [24:18])

  • Strong criticism from conservatives; Eric Erickson:

    “Our Attorney General is apparently a moron. There's free speech and then there is hate speech. No, ma'am, that is not the law.” ([24:30])

  • Quoting Charlie Kirk:

    “Hate speech does not exist legally in America. ... all of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free.” ([24:30])

• Panel Discussion – Principles and Precedent

  • David French warns:

    “You do not diminish the First Amendment in response [to evil]. ... There is no carve out from the First Amendment for so-called hate speech. ... The government's always going to be shutting down speech that's critical of powerful people.” ([25:58])

  • Jennifer Palmieri: Chilling effect on democracy if Attorney Generals could arrest people for "hateful" speech ([28:13]).
  • Broad agreement: Overreach in response to violent extremism risks cementing government power to suppress dissent.

6. Social Media, Radicalization & Section 230

(29:02 – 30:41)

• Silicon Valley Accountability
  • Joe Scarborough laments tech monopolies’ legal protections (Section 230), calling for regulatory action to prevent radicalization and online harm:

    “…we continue to give these monopolies in Silicon Valley a complete free pass because of section 230 ... How long are we going to allow that to happen?” ([29:02])

  • Palmieri calls online alienation and addiction—especially young men—a “real and growing crisis” that politicians are ignoring ([30:00]).

7. Trump’s Lawsuits Against the Media

(34:37 – 40:37)

• Massive Lawsuits Filed

  • Trump sues The New York Times ($15B) and the Wall Street Journal ($10B), citing defamation, libel, and reports tying him to Jeffrey Epstein ([34:37]).
  • Panelists see this as a play to intimidate media:

    “The playbook for this administration is to ... constantly harass and lie about the media, create your own set of realities and then use civil lawsuits to drain them of their resources.” (Scarborough, [35:42])

  • Most expect the lawsuits to be dismissed, but not before causing significant distractions and legal expenses ([37:21]).

• Chilling Impact on Free Speech

  • French:

    “This is happening before the assassination of Charlie Kirk. You're seeing it happening after ... a movement that is increasingly hostile to free speech ... to intimidate people into silence.” ([39:35])

8. President Trump’s Unprecedented Second State Visit to the UK

(43:00 – 53:37)

• Diplomatic & Symbolic Analysis

  • Prime Minister Keir Starmer invites Trump for a second state visit—an almost-unheard-of honor, leveraging Britain’s royal family for political and diplomatic gain ([43:00]–[45:18]).
  • Analysis of Trump’s pragmatic alliances with European leaders; focus on Starmer’s need for a “domestic political boost” ([44:36]).
  • Hosts joke about the royal “pageantry” and the appeal this holds for Trump: “bringing fruit to the volcano” or in this case—more horses in the parade than with France/more flattery than previous state visits ([49:13], Gillian Tett).

• Strategic Priorities for UK

  • Goals include:
    • Preventing deterioration of US-UK trade agreements
    • Securing Trump's continued support—or at least neutrality—on Ukraine
    • Curbing incitement by right-wing figures allied with Trump (e.g., Farage) that threaten domestic stability ([50:14])

• Concerns Over US & EU Stability

  • Ongoing instability from Russia’s aggression; hope that US support for NATO will be affirmed ([53:24]).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Online Confession, Evidence, and Motive

  • “I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this.” – Suspect’s confession ([01:07])
  • “He specifically stated that he had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk ... some hatred cannot be negotiated with.” – Ryan Reilly ([03:08])

• Panel’s Broad Condemnation of Partisan Weaponization of Tragedies

  • “Anybody who celebrates political violence is sick ... They're all Americans ... and the attack against them must be condemned as strongly as possible ... We have to come together or this will continue.” – Joe Scarborough ([22:00]–[23:04])

• On Free Speech & Hate Speech

  • “Our Attorney General is apparently a moron. There's free speech and then there is hate speech. No, ma'am, that is not the law.” – Eric Erickson ([24:30])
  • “There is no carve out from the First Amendment for so-called hate speech. ... The government's always going to be shutting down speech that's critical of powerful people.” – David French ([25:58])
  • “My position is that even hate speech should be completely and totally allowed in our country.” – Charlie Kirk (quoted by panel, [25:07])

• On Trump’s Lawsuits Against Press

  • “The playbook ... is to ... constantly harass and lie about the media, create your own set of realities and then use civil lawsuits to try to drain them of their resources.” – Joe Scarborough ([35:42])
  • “A movement that is increasingly hostile to free speech ... including the use of lawsuits, including the use of government power to try to suppress free speech ... to intimidate people into silence.” – David French ([39:35])

• Diplomatic Theater

  • “You're just sort of massaging the ego. ... bringing fruit to the volcano ... more horses in the parade than they did with President Macron, and ... that's never happened before.” – Gillian Tett ([49:13])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:07] – Segment opens with details about the murder suspect’s court appearance and confession
• [03:08] – Ryan Reilly describes forensic evidence and investigation tactics
• [04:52] – Jonathan Lemire on complications of prosecuting domestic terrorism, FBI’s status
• [10:00] – Vice President Vance and Stephen Miller’s remarks on left-wing political violence
• [12:22] – Scarborough discusses the lack of official mourning for assassinated Democrat Melissa Hortman
• [22:00] – Scarborough's plea against bothsides-ism in political violence
• [24:18] – AG Bondi on 'going after' hate speech
• [25:58] – David French on why the First Amendment doesn't protect hate speech carveouts
• [29:02] – Scarborough/Palmieri discuss Section 230, social media, and crisis of alienation
• [34:37] – Trump’s lawsuits against the press dissected
• [43:00] – Trump's second UK state visit, pageantry, and geopolitics
• [50:14] – Ed Luce on Starmer’s goals, Britain’s best hopes from the Trump visit
• [53:24] – Urgency in Europe regarding Ukraine and Russian aggression

Conclusion

In this episode, Morning Joe’s panel tackles the breaking news around the Charlie Kirk murder case, offering context on the suspect, the investigation’s political complexity, and the broader national anxiety about escalating political violence. The debate sharpens around free speech, hate speech, and the dangers of partisan exploitation of tragedy—while Trump’s parallel legal and diplomatic maneuvering serves as a lens on contemporary power struggles, both at home and abroad. The show’s urgent, sometimes emotional tone underscores the moment’s gravity and the need to resist deepening national divides.

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