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After decades of hesitation, the US has reached a landmark deal to allow Saudi Arabia to pursue nuclear power.
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What's in it for the US and are safeguards in place against nuclear weapons?
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I'm Georgia Howe with Daily Wire executive editor John Bickley. It's Thursday, July 23rd, and this is Morning Wire.
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The sports world's abuzz after mass layoff at espn. And a star female athlete stands up for women's sports.
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She retweeted a post that said women deserve better than this and she took enormous backlash just for retweeting that post.
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And a new AI program goes rogue, breaking out of a supposedly confined system to hack another company.
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Given how capable these models are getting, if we want to be able to deploy them for wide use, the security problems are going to get really big.
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year agreement approved by President Trump will see the US help provide Saudi Arabia with its own civilian nuclear program, possibly paving the way for the kingdom to enrich its own uranium.
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Daily Wire Washington bureau chief Tim Rice joins us now with more. Tim, thanks for coming on.
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Thanks for having me, Georgia.
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So first, what do we know about the terms of this agreement?
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Yeah, so it's something called a 1, 2, 3 agreement. It's something that the United States has with more than 20 other countries. And basically what it says is the United States essentially agrees to backfill or help these countries develop, as John was saying, at the top there, civilian nuclear programs. So this is, we're thinking, think nuclear reactors to power infrastructure to power homes, right? Nuclear power plants, not nuclear weapons, although we will come back to that. So the President agreed or signed off on this agreement. What it says is over the course of 30 years, the United States will, and American companies and the American government will help the Saudi government build up nuclear facilities. They would do it under what they're calling a black box arrangement, which essentially means that the United States is going to transmit a lot of secret and classified knowledge and technology. And Riyadh is just agreeing basically not to share it with other competitors, people who are not party to this agreement. It's expected to bring in about $10 billion to Saudi Arab Arabia. And it's also supposed to be a boon to the United States because among other things, including the fact that American companies and, you know, the American government will have a hand in building this nuclear facility. One of the main goals as stated by the Saudi government is, you know, the more we can power our infrastructure by nuclear power, the less we have to rely on the oil and gas that we produce, the more that we can export that oil and gas to countries like the United States, the more you all will see oil and gas prices fall.
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Now, how can we be sure that these nuclear capabilities are not going to be used by Saudi Arabia to make a weapon?
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That is the $10 billion question, Georgia. And the answer is we just sort of have to trust. So a couple of things to note here. The first is that the agreement does not guarantee that the Saudis will be able to enrich their own uranium. So there is a universe. If the International Atomic Energy association rules that it is not wise for the Saudi government to be able to enrich its own uranium, then they will be depend on enriched uranium imported from the United States or some other approved partner. And in addition, they will not be able to partner with any other country for a decade on enriching their own uranium. However, signs seem to be pointing towards everyone agreeing that the Saudis should be able to enrich their own uranium. It's going to make things a lot more efficient. It will make the deal a lot more beneficial. Now, this is where critics of the deal come in. There are a couple of things to note here. One is that the Saudi government has not agreed as the United Arab Emirates have to recognize an normalize relations with Israel in response for American help in building up its nuclear capabilities. So even they're going to, if they can rewrit the serenium, there's no guarantee that we'll get any sort of better relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel. The other is that the Saudi crown prince and many members of the royal family have stated repeatedly again and again that the Saudi government does want a nuclear weapon and specifically if Iran develops a nuclear weapon, they will develop a nuclear weapon. I am not hyperbolizing here. The Saudi crown prince has said to cnbc, among other outlets, if Iran gets one, we are going to want one, too.
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Speaking of supporters, how is this received on Capitol Hill? Who are the main proponents of this deal and then who's also speaking against it?
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So far the response has been pretty good. I think that American lawmakers from both parties are generally happy with this, with this deal. Unsurprisingly, perhaps we've seen more criticism from Democrats than Republicans. Although I have to say that this is not knee jerk, anti Trump rhetoric. Democrats that are criticizing it are making pretty reasonable points. They're saying how is it that this administration which is waging a war in Iran to prevent this one Muslim government in the Middle east from obtaining a nuclear weapon, is then going to go build the nuclear reactors in another Muslim run autocratic country in the Middle east at the same time? Now, obviously there are differences here. The Saudi Arabian government is an ally of the United States despite our many differences. But I mean, it's a reasonable point. That's a reasonable objection. So people have a lot of questions and people want the president to clarify things. And I think that because members of Congress know that this is going through whether they approve it or not, because no one has a veto proof majority, I think they're keeping their powder a little bit dry on criticisms and instead leveraging all of their influence and force to just get as much information out of the president, raise as many objections, get answers to as many questions as possible before this thing takes shape.
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Yeah, I think a lot of Americans probably will have a lot of questions too. Tim, thanks for reporting.
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Anytime, guys.
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the sports world has seen some big news post World cup, including sports giant ESPN suffering a gigantic wave of layoffs and one of the WNBA's standout stars taking a stand on a polarizing issue.
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Joining us now to discuss all of this is former sports broadcaster and current Senate candidate in Minnesota, Michelle Tafoya. Michelle, thanks for coming on again.
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Thank you for having me.
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So Hollywood has gone through some layoffs, streaming companies have recently cut jobs, and now sports media is also shrinking. Is this a sign that the entire entertainment industry is undergoing something of a reset?
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I think so. I think that's really the way to look at this, that streaming is now considered the primary way that people view things. That, for sports, means, you know, you've got your property rights to the different leagues, the NFL, the Major League Baseball, the NBA. Those are expensive. Those broadcast rights or streaming rights are expensive. And so when you're juggling that with all the infrastructure that it takes to make sure you get your streaming right and you've got talent, it is a very different environment than it was, geez, just when I left in 2022.
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Now, one of the most shocking details from these layoffs was that Ryan Clark was reportedly told that he was laid off during a commercial break while he was live on NFL. What's your reaction to that?
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I was shocked when I read that too. And I dove a little deeper into it. Apparently there were some people inquiring with the network, hey, we're hearing rumors about this. What do you, you know, we're going to go with it unless you answer us. And they thought, my gosh, what if Ryan's on the air, he looks down at his phone in a commercial break and sees that he's being laid off? That would be worse than if we just told him in a commercial break, hey, you're being let go. It's not a pretty way to do this. But given social media and that, nobody waits anymore to break news. They want to break it. As long as they're right. They, they made that difficult choice.
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Yeah. Now, ESPN has been known for its personalities in terms of its sports coverage. Is that era changing? Could we see more Reliance Digital creators, podcasters, or even AI content in the future?
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Well, you see the investment they made in Pat McAfee, who was a former NFL punter for the Indianapolis Colts. And he started this huge online presence and it grew and grew and grew. And so, yeah, that, that's an interesting turn of events. Pat is a personality. He's not a play by play guy. He's not an analyst, he's not a reporter. He's a personality. You know, and again, it's just the live sports, more so than the studio shows, more so than the highlight show. Live action is where it's at. And so you see that, you see that. The NFL, golf, the Kentucky Derby, the Olympic Games, the World cup, all of these events are the ones that really draw the eyeballs.
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Now, in other sports news, the wnba, Sophie Cunningham made headlines just this week. She came out as the first WNBA player to say, no, there should not be men in women's sports. What exactly did she say and what prompted her to come out about that
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now, a while back, she retweeted a post from a CBS reporter, I believe, that said women deserve better than this. And she took enormous backlash just for retweeting that post. So she came out and really clarified, look, I took a lot of blowback for that retweet. Let me just say this has nothing to do with being anti trans. In fact, she said, I come at this with love. Love for little girls and women who deserve their private spaces and who deserve to fight for their foster spots without having to fight against biological men. Her doing this, I hope, sets up a permission structure for other women to come out and say the same thing. There is nothing wrong with identifying the scientific fact that XX does not equal xy, that we are different biologically. There are a reason we have divisions in sports. It's about fairness and safety and I applaud her for making that crystal clear.
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Yeah, I'm curious for one to see if Caitlin Clark is eventually going to come out on her side as well.
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They're good friends. Yes, they back each other a lot.
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Michelle, thanks so much for coming on.
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Great to see you.
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Artificial intelligence giant OpenAI is doing damage control this week after two of its own AI models escaped a sealed testing environment, hacked their way onto the open Internet and broke into another company's computer system.
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Joining us now with the details is Cabot Phillips, host of Wired in Live. So, Kevin, this sounds like a sci fi script. In fact, I've written a script that's sort of similar to this. What exactly happened here?
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Yeah, it definitely does sound like a sci fi script. I would like to read that script, by the way. But that's a conversation for another time.
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Sure.
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But both companies involved have actually confirmed that this is real. So what happened here was that OpenAI was running an internal test designed to measure how capable its models are at hacking. Two models took part. The company's latest release called Chat GPT 5.6 Sol and an even more powerful unreleased model, OpenAI has not yet named for testing purposes. Both had their usual safety restraints dialed down a bit, which in theory would not have been a problem since they were supposedly confined to what's called a quote, sandbox. That's a sealed environment with no Internet access. But during the test, the models somehow found a way out and they discovered a previously unknown software flaw, a so called zero day vulnerability. It was the one piece of software connecting that sandbox to the outside world. And if you know anything about hacking, as a sci fi author like you would, John, a zero day exploit is Essentially like finding the Holy Grail. It is more or less impossible with modern day encryption, but these models exploited it, working their way through OpenAI's internal research systems and then eventually reaching a computer with a live Internet connection.
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Incredible. And when they got out, they hacked another system. Is this correct?
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Right. And the victim of this attack is a fascinating component. So the entire reason the AI model went to the Open Internet in the first place is that it did not have the tools that it needed to hit a benchmark set by OpenAI during this test. Therefore, the model apparently reasoned that it had to look for answers to hit that benchmark. And the victim of the model's curiosity was Hugging Face. That is a major platform that hosts OpenAI source tools. So in effect, they broke into another company to cheat on their own exam. The models chained together stolen credentials and additional zero day flaws to then burrow into Hugging Face's production systems. They accessed internal data sets and company credentials along the way, among many other things. Now, Hugging Face did detect the intrusion and shut it down early last week. But they say they still don't know whether customer or partner data was compromised. And at the time, they didn't even know who was behind this hack. The company's CEO said the attack was so sophisticated that his team suspected a top tier AI model had to be involved. And as we now know, they turned out to be right.
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Great. I've got some notes first on the name Hugging Face. I'm not sure about that, but how are the two companies responding to the fallout from this?
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Yeah, maybe surprisingly, they're working together pretty diplomatically, at least for now. OpenAI is calling this a, quote, unprecedented cyber incident. They say they're running a joint investigation with Hugging Face. They're going to tighten controls around their testing infrastructure and also disclose the software flaws that its models discovered so that they can be patched. So they're trying to help out. Hugging Face. Now, one cybersecurity executive told the Wall Street Journal that research had long considered that this scenario was possible on paper, but no one had ever actually seen it happen until now. So this is a big first in the industry, at least the first one that we've been told about. And that is the real significance here. We have not yet seen this hypothetical AI cybersecurity risk coming into the real world. And it has turned a lot of heads in Silicon Valley and also in Washington.
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Right. And speaking of Washington, there's a lot of debate right now about security issues with AI, as you referenced there. What is the latest on that from front.
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So the breach is already being used as ammunition for many in the AI skeptic crowd. Democratic Congressman Greg Kassar of Texas, for example, called it, quote, extremely alarming and renewed calls for mandatory testing and government oversight as opposed to the voluntary measures favored by President Trump and others in the administration. Now, AI safety groups struck a similar note. One even warned that even though the damage was limited this time, the worst case scenario if one of these models went completely rogue could be catastrophic. Now, the Trump administration, for their part, has taken a more active role since the president's AI executive order last month, but it is wary of strangling the industry with red tape, especially with Chinese firms gaining ground. To that point, a Chinese startup released a model this month that actually beats top American systems on a number of important industry benchmarks. And they do it for half the price charged by companies like OpenAI and Anthropic. And that again, has many experts worried about the durability of America's lead in the AI race, which they say is sort of the arms race of our time.
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Well, it's certainly not hard to see why there's so much concern about rogue AI. We've just actually seen it take place here in action. Kabba, thanks so much for reporting.
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Just more material for your sci fi writing.
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Taking notes, man.
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Thanks.
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In this episode of Morning Wire, hosts John Bickley and Georgia Howe cover three major stories:
The episode provides firsthand insights from experts, examines political and industry reactions, and explores changing dynamics in media and technology.
Guest: Tim Rice, Daily Wire Washington Bureau Chief
Segment Start: [02:14]
"The main goals as stated by the Saudi government is... the more we can power our infrastructure by nuclear power, the less we have to rely on the oil and gas that we produce, the more that we can export that oil and gas to countries like the United States, the more you all will see oil and gas prices fall." [03:28]
"That is the $10 billion question, Georgia. And the answer is we just sort of have to trust." [04:11]
Guest: Michelle Tafoya, Former Sports Broadcaster & Senate Candidate
Segment Start: [09:20]
“Streaming is now considered the primary way that people view things... those broadcast rights or streaming rights are expensive. And so when you're juggling that with all the infrastructure that it takes... it is a very different environment than it was, geez, just when I left in 2022.” [09:56]
"Her doing this, I hope, sets up a permission structure for other women to come out and say the same thing. There is nothing wrong with identifying the scientific fact that XX does not equal XY, that we are different biologically. There are reasons we have divisions in sports. It's about fairness and safety and I applaud her for making that crystal clear." [12:59]
Guest: Cabot Phillips, Host of Wired In Live
Segment Start: [13:48]
“The models chained together stolen credentials and additional zero day flaws to then burrow into Hugging Face's production systems. They accessed internal data sets and company credentials along the way, among many other things.” [15:42]
“One cybersecurity executive told the Wall Street Journal that research had long considered this scenario possible on paper, but no one had ever actually seen it happen until now. So this is a big first in the industry, at least the first one that we've been told about.” [16:49]
“We have not yet seen this hypothetical AI cybersecurity risk coming into the real world. And it has turned a lot of heads in Silicon Valley and also in Washington.” [17:04]
John Bickley (on the AI incident):
"I've got some notes first on the name Hugging Face. I'm not sure about that..." [16:25]
Cabot Phillips (closing pun):
"Just more material for your sci-fi writing." [18:34]
Special Event:
The episode concludes with an invitation for listeners to join a livestream at 5PM Central in celebration of Morning Wire’s 3,000th episode and fifth-year anniversary, featuring behind-the-scenes discussions and listener Q&A. [18:39]
Tone:
The episode is informative, brisk, and non-alarmist, blending expert interviews, wry asides, and concise explanations, with a signature focus on facts and first-hand reporting.