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life Movement Our mission is to go onto campuses, is to speak the truth nationally that every human is created in the image of our maker and has infinite value and dignity. That is the child in the womb and that's also her.
Georgia Howe
College campuses have become ground zero for the fight over abortion, with pro lifers and abortion activists competing for the hearts and minds of the next generation.
John Bickley
One of the pro life groups taking their messages two universities as students for life action. And they say they're seeing real results despite serious headwinds.
Georgia Howe
In this episode, we sit down with the president of the group, Kristin Hawkins, to discuss the pro life movement's successes and setbacks on college campuses across the country. I'm Georgia Howe with Daily Wire Executive editor John Bickley. This is a weekend edition of MORNING Wire.
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Georgia Howe
Kristen, thank you so much for coming on.
Kristen Hawkins
Thanks for having me.
Georgia Howe
So you do a lot of campus outreach regarding the pro life issue. And of course, we know that young women in general tend to be pretty pro choice, but is that true at the college level? What are you seeing there?
Kristen Hawkins
There's a lot of fascinating trends going on with Gen Z versus Gen Y. I've been doing this long enough. We've actually transitioned a whole generation right from the snowflake millennials to now Gen
Z. I mean, I think it's certainly when we look at the demographics, young
men have gone right and they've shifted hard. Right. In fact, Charlie's, I think it was his last TV show he was on Laura, the night before he was murdered, he and I were texting.
There had been a study that came
out in September from, I think it
was abc and they did it of
youth voters who voted for Trump versus Kamala.
And it shows kind of what we're
seeing on campuses pretty accurately where they
did women and men who voted for
Trump, young women and men who voted
for Kamala and the the young men who voted for Trump, they were asked to rank 1 through 13 what success
in their life looked like.
For young men who voted for President
Trump, number one marker of success was having children. I think marriage was like third or fourth. For women who voted for President Trump, young women, it was like four. For having kids, it was the fourth marker of success.
For men who voted for Kamala Harris, it was 10. For women who voted for Kamala Harris, it was 12 out of 13. The only thing that beat out having
kids was social media influencer was 13 for all four demographics.
And so I think that shows you
what we're facing on college campuses right now where we have seen this shift
of young men who will vocally say they oppose abortion. We have younger women who've moved somewhat
conservative who will kind of talk. But then you have this opposite of the pendulum where you just have unhinged. And we've all seen these girls on TikTok and on Twitter, right? The blue haired, purple haired, green haired, septum ring girl who's just unhinged. One of my things is that I've been really focusing on when I'm reaching out to other pro life leaders or folks that are on college campuses doing ministry work is reminding everyone that she's also part of our mission too, that you know, especially as X and social media has moved so hard. Right. And it's kind of like that's the trending influencer thing of like let's make
fun of the girls, let's you know,
blame Madame's success all on the white middle aged Karens who own cats and then talk about let's taking away their right to vote and some of this crazy stuff that we're starting to see.
We have to remember in the pro
life movement, our mission is to go onto campuses, is to speak the truth nationally that every human is created in the image of our maker and has infinite value and dignity. That is the child in the womb and that's also her. And that's really where the conversation's shifting on campus is of who gave you value and do you as a 21, 22 year old young woman, do you have value? We believe you do you have the same value as a child within you and you're both in equally valuable and worthy of a great wonderful life.
Georgia Howe
How long have you been doing this on campus?
Kristen Hawkins
I started Students for life in 2006. Okay, so this is my 20th year.
Georgia Howe
What kind of in that time have you seen trends in one way or another? So basically what I want to know is obviously we have the divergent groups of women, but are we seeing any kind of success overall with the pro life movement or do you see more in the other direction with young women?
Kristen Hawkins
Definitely seen a lot of success. I mean we've seen the trends going
from gen Y to Gen Z. Right, Gen Y. It was, it was harder to have a conversation about abortion. Don't talk about that. That's, that's not polite, that's too difficult. Or Gen Z is, is much more direct. They don't mind the direct conversation, which is why videos of me on campuses go viral now.
Before, even though I am a millennial, I was born in the wrong decade.
Apparently I'm either an X or a Z. I'm definitely not a Y. Right.
The Gen Zs value that directness. But I do think we've seen substantial
success in the broader pro life movement reversing Roe. The thing that we talked about when I launched Students for Life, preparing for this moment, everyone told us and me that it was impossible and it was imprudent to even think that Roe would ever be reversed, let alone prepare an army for that moment. Now, we saw Planned Parenthood, you know,
the nation's largest abortion vendor, defunded of
80% of their taxpayer dollars for one year this past year because of the BBB and the leadership we saw in the House.
So we've made remarkable gains. We have now whole regions of our
country that are legally abortion free or heavily restricted. Now illegal chemical abortion pills are flooding into their borders because Pam Bondi and the DoJ refused to enforce the federal Comstock act, which would prevent this illegal shipping of chemical abortion pills into the pro life states. But we have made progress and we've seen this progress now playing out in the culture where young men are valuing having children, getting married. We're seeing some women come along, but we definitely have also seen the rise and the counter of the resistance of the Dobbs decision. And you saw young women very quickly go hard left when they were in
for so long demographically.
When we polled, we did focus groups and qualitative and quantitative polling, you had a lot of people that said they were in the middle. They were the mushy middle right. I don't like abortion, but I don't want to be considered pro abortion or pro choice. I want to be in the middle.
When the Dobbs decision came out, it
forced those in the middle to pick a side and the left. Planned Parenthood went hard for these young women, pulling them over to their side. And so now we're trying to reach back and pull them back to a position.
I think our polling this January with YouGov shows us kind of surprising.
I think for folks who aren't on
the ground, nearly 7 in 10 Gen
Z and Gen Y voters want to
see restrictions on abortion. Nine in ten see, say that common
sense safety standards on chemical abortion pills should be in place, which the Trump administration has not done.
I mean, those are some pretty good numbers. We saw a 34% shift. Three in 10 said they'd be more
likely to vote for politicians to restrict abortion if they felt that women had the resources they need after choosing life.
That was a seven point Overton window
shift between a pro choice person at the beginning of the poll, towards the end of the poll with that question.
So there's definitely calming ground and there's, there's definitely room to move. We are not even in the middle
yet when it comes to abortion. In most of our states we've seen,
John Bickley
we've been tracking the religious almost revival that was happening over the last few months. More receptivity among college students in general to religious messages. You said your message is primarily one of who gives you value. Do you see that working among women, particularly on the left on college campuses?
Kristen Hawkins
We'll find out this spring when I'm back on campuses. My tour is called Abortion is Human Sacrifice.
So it's gonna be a very interesting
conversation with young women who've been told for decades to sacrifice their child by the feminist movement. The lies of the feminist movement.
I think we have seen, especially since
Charlie's assassination, we've definitely seen this huge shift, right, and this openness towards religion, towards faith. I mean, I get text messages from kids I've met years ago going, what Bible should I get? Which one? Is there a podcast that you listen to?
That's great. The bad news is this is the
least church generation in American history.
So the Pew poll that came out in June of this year, this was the first youth generation that polled under
50% self identifying as Christian.
Not even living out Christian values, just self identifying. That was the first time in their history that it was under 50%. So we've seen this huge spike, which is amazing, but it's because we are
starting at a very low ground.
And that's something we have to realize
when we're on campus and I'm on campuses, for example, I cannot take for granted.
I can't assume that the person I'm
talking to even understands the gospel or what Christians believe at all.
Georgia Howe
Now you said that Gen Zs prefer a more direct approach. What have you found is the most effective way to speak to those women who are on the left? Not necessarily the blue hair, but like your cosmopolitan.
Kristen Hawkins
They're my favorite.
Georgia Howe
Your cosmopolitan coastal young woman who's fashionable but considers herself pro choice. How, what do you find as successful with that group? Because that seems to be like I've
Kristen Hawkins
never heard of the phrase cosmopolitan coastal. That's so cool.
Georgia Howe
But you know what I mean.
Kristen Hawkins
No, I know what you mean. No, I love speaking to them and they're the whole reason I'm going to campuses.
Right.
I get.
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Kristen Hawkins
Frustrated if I walk into a room and it's a bunch of pro life kids, right? Because they, they, they've all seen my videos. They could.
They're probably smarter than they, they are smarter than me.
Halfway of them, right? I'm there for these women who were trying to bring out of these lies
what I see on campuses and what I always wish I could have like a little, almost like a GoPro on me that would animate what's going on in their brains because I get the
best view on campus because I can
see the little animated light bulbs going
off on their heads.
And you can see them processing what I'm saying. And even if they really hate me and they've come because they really hate
me, they have a really hard time hating what I'm saying.
I was thinking about these girls. I was at Harvard, I think it was last spring. And these two girls come in middle of my speech, they're in a huff,
they've got their midriffs on.
You know, everybody else is very conservative in this room. I knew they were like, they're there for a fight.
They're there for the Q and A.
And I started talking about the lies
that the second wave feminists told American women.
You know, this belief that you aren't strong enough, that you have to choose between having your child and having your
career or completing your educational goals.
That this was the opposite of what feminism was supposed to be, Right? Abortion is the opposite of empowerment because it says you are not strong enough. You can give us money, those of us who profit off of your despair. And we'll take care of it for you while you can remain chained to
your desk and make a profit for somebody else.
But for all your childbearing years, right? And then when you're 40 years old and you want to have kids, then you can give another industry, the IVF industry, a bunch of money to have
maybe a 50% success rate. Right?
So I started talking to these girls
that entered the room and I was
talking about, well, how are we actually having hard conversations? Abortion does not allow us. The abortion lobby in D.C. does not
allow us to have actual hard conversations.
We are the only organization that Students for Life Action that's actually been campaigning and lobbying for paid family leave policy, for example, expanded child tax credit. And there's conservative ways to do it, right?
Borrowing from your own Social Security, not a payroll tax.
There's legitimate policy debates of how do
we make these things work. But we can't have honest conversations about supporting families because of abortion.
Because the other side just doesn't even allow.
Like we're trying to introduce a bill, abbreved Parents Rights act right now in Congress. Been searching for a Democrat to co sponsor it.
All this bill does is if you've had a miscarriage, the hospital is legally required to tell you, you can get your child and you can take your
child to a funeral home and bury
your child and you can grieve your child. Your child doesn't have to be cremated with medical waste. And we can't get a Democrat to
co sponsor that bill.
Why? Because Democrats can't admit that in a
miscarriage you've lost a child and you can't treat that child with dignity.
Because if you do that, that undermines
their entire argument for abortion.
So we can't have act conversations because of abortion. And so these girls, I just, it was so much fun because I was talking to them and they were like, you could tell they were struggling to, like, they wanted to yell at me, but they couldn't. Right? Because I was speaking their language of like, yes, this is what we have always said as feminists, that we believe she's saying it and trying to do it. But yeah, we hate her because she's anti abortion. And so the girls, I, I ran out of the room in the middle
of the speech because, you know, like a woman, my cycle started. It was so much fun.
That's how I never forget that day.
Cause I'm like, this is.
This is. This could be. This needs to be a reality TV show over here. I run out of the room, and these girls meet me in the bathroom,
and they're like, we have to talk.
I mean, I was there for, like,
45 minutes talking to these girls after the event because they just.
They were trying to figure out how
to reconcile their beliefs about me. And they.
They.
They really hated that I was against abortion, that I was taking away their rights.
But then everything else I said made so much sense to them. And they're the reason we go to the campuses, because we have to win. We have to win her.
Georgia Howe
Right? They are the stumbling block. So it's almost like you need to crack that argument before you even worry about the men and whatever.
Kristen Hawkins
Yeah, No, I mean, if you think about 2026 and 2028, what it's gonna come down to in our country, how close the elections are going to be.
I mean, oh, my gosh, the midterms. I'm already freaking out and having nightmares about the midterms.
Right? We have to win women. It is some of the conversations on
our side of the aisle right now on X, for example. And my algorithm's all whacked, right, based on what I do. But it is unhelpful to have some of these conversations that are happening and
how we are attacking these women because they are our mission, too. They are our neighbors. And yes, we can vehemently disagree and tell them we disagree. Like, yes, voting for Zoran Mondame will
destroy New York City, as we're all now seeing.
Right. But we need to be able to have conversations with them in a reasonable, respectful manner, because they're actually part of our mission, too, is to win them over.
Georgia Howe
And just speaking as like, a formerly liberal young woman, I would say that is the linchpin issue that will flip a female voter. Because, you know, people don't like high taxes, you know, and they're not passionate about it, you know, but they are passionate when someone says, you're being attacked, yeah, your rights are being attacked, your life will be over if you do not have this specific right. So I would say, like, that if you can. If you can figure out how to massage your message for that group, like,
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Kristen Hawkins
It's so important. The problem is that I'm seeing right
now is I'm getting attacked on my. On my own side. Like, I. Oh, you're a raging feminist.
There's too many women leaders in the pro life movement. We need more men to. There was literally a podcast recently where
the person said, you.
When women fight, it's ugly. You can't fight moloch Satan with women. I was like, shut the hell up. You wear loafers and you're in a freaking podcast room. I'm, like, out on the ground getting, like, sunburnt on campuses and getting spit at and yelled at and death threats. So, like, I don't know, join me on a campus and do the hard work. But it's weird because there's, like, this division within the movement. I think within the conservative movement, we gotta check ourselves a little bit of, like, these women are not our enemies. They are our friends.
They are our sisters, our siblings.
They are our neighbors.
They're part of our mission, too, just as much as these babies that we're trying to save.
Because if we don't save her, if we can't convince her that she has value and worth and dignity, it's almost impossible to convince her that the temporarily inconvenient child in her womb for nine
months also has value and dignity, is worth sacrificing for.
If she doesn't think her life is
worth sacrificing and somebody else sacrificing for her.
Georgia Howe
Well. And there's a lot of young men who want to get married, and there's not enough women for them to marry.
Kristen Hawkins
Yes.
Georgia Howe
So, you know, you have to start recruiting young men.
Kristen Hawkins
I'm making you young conservative women who are dateable again.
Georgia Howe
So in terms of the pro life movement, what do you say is the most immediate policy goal that you want to see?
Kristen Hawkins
We have to end chemical abortion pills. The leading cause of infant death in our country today are chemical abortions.
Chemical abortions are abortions that are happening in homes, in dormitories.
There's two pills, mifepristone. Mifepristol.
The first pill is a progesterone blocker
which starves the baby and kills the baby. Mifepristol is the second pill that induces contractions.
A woman is told when a period cramps get too much, the bleeding gets too heavy to sit on the toilet,
get in the bathtub, flush, don't look.
We are aborting children into our waterways.
Students for life of America.
We actually have proven that the anti
progesterone metabolites, the three metabolites that are
mipristone that aren't found in any other pharmaceutical drug in the world, are actually in our drinking water.
Now. We've tested water before, Weiss water treatment after and at the tap.
It's actually anti progesterone metabolite, something that any woman who's trying to get pregnant stay Pregnant men who need healthy brain
development all need progesterone. It's in our drinking water.
If you live in a pro life state, I know there's a lot of hubris out there.
What state's more pro life? Like, I always don't talk to a Texan because Texan, we're in here in Tennessee and everyone tells me how great Nashville is, right?
Go to Florida, they do the same thing.
You hear these things of like, I
have lived in a pro life state. It doesn't matter because in two minutes or less, I can pull up On My Phone 8 different websites where a rapist, a minor girl, a minor boy, a deranged parent can go online, order chemical abortion pills. You can be a sex trafficker and order chemical abortion pills. In less than two minutes they will be shipped to you anywhere in the country, regardless of your state's pro life laws. Usually they're shipped without any instructions. If you put on the website that you don't have money, they'll just ship them to you for free. We did this, an undercover investigation in December. I had minor Students for Life leaders. I had one boy in West Virginia, he got shipped 30 pills. It was enough to kill a woman. No instructions, didn't have to pay. So we're trying to pass laws in
at least our Republican states right now
Anti Chemical Abortion Trafficking act, which would allow for state attorneys general to criminally prosecute these illegal shippers and these websites, which, by the way, we don't even know where these pills are coming from. We're not even 100% sure they're real abortion pills. There's no verification or allow families or
a mother who's had an abortion to civilly go after those who sell and vend these abortion pills.
We've been trying to put pressure on the DOJ because we have an 1890 law still in the books called the Comstock act, which makes it illegal, a federal crime to ship abortion related material which has been violated. The Biden DOJ put a memo out
after the jobs decision in 2022, basically saying they weren't going to force it.
The Trump administration has done nothing to enforce this. We have to first stop the illegal
shipments of these pills into pro life
states or you don't live in a pro life state. The FDA has said they're investigating the harms of mepristone.
We know from the EEPC data that
came out this May, more than 10% of women who have these pills will end up in emergency with life threatening
emergency room with life threatening conditions.
They are way more dangerous than what
the FDA told us in 2000.
We need the EPA to act because we've proven they are contaminating our water supply. These are forever chemicals that violate the EPA's own forever chemical standards. And the FDA in 2000, when they approved the pill, literally didn't check the box on the application proving it wasn't violating the Endangered Species act and the Clean Water act didn't even do it. This has been happening for 20 now, six years in our country. We need the Trump administration and the
states to take action on these pills
because if you're serious about ending abortion, this is why Planned Parenthood is now the leading vendor of cross sex hormones
to transgender and gender confused kids that, by the way, are sterilizing.
They have moved on because this whole
abortion industry has moved online to chemical abortion pills and they're not getting the money they used to get.
Georgia Howe
So, Kristin, where can people find your podcast?
Kristen Hawkins
You can go to Apple Podcasts Anywhere,
YouTube Podcast, the Kristen Hawkins show, or follow me on X and Instagram.
Kristen MercerHawkins all right, well, thank you
Georgia Howe
so much for coming in.
Kristen Hawkins
Thanks.
John Bickley
That was Kristen Hawkins, president of Students for Life Action, and this has been a weekend edition of Morningwire.
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Podcast: Morning Wire
Hosts: John Bickley & Georgia Howe
Guest: Kristen Hawkins (President, Students for Life Action)
Release Date: February 22, 2026
Episode Focus: Exploring trends among Gen Z on abortion, campus activism, and the current state of the pro-life movement.
This episode of Morning Wire centers on whether the pro-life movement is gaining traction with Gen Z, focusing particularly on college campuses—"ground zero" in the modern abortion debate. Kristen Hawkins, the president of Students for Life Action, joins John Bickley and Georgia Howe for an in-depth discussion. Key topics include generational shifts in attitudes, successes and challenges in pro-life activism, and targeted strategies for persuading young women.
Gen Z vs. Millennials:
Shifts in Gender Perspectives:
Cultural Trends:
Evolution on Campuses:
Data-Driven Insights:
Substantial Progress and Setbacks:
Appealing to Values & Faith:
Engagement with Liberal, Urban Women:
Quote | 16:14: “I can see the little animated light bulbs going off... Even if they really hate me... they have a hard time hating what I'm saying.” – Kristen Hawkins
Framing and Policy Solutions:
Internal Movement Dynamics:
Electoral Stakes:
Quote | 18:56: “That is the linchpin issue that will flip a female voter... If you can figure out how to massage your message for that group, that’s your key to the whole thing.” – Georgia Howe
Appeal for Movement Unity:
Chemical Abortion Pills as Top Focus:
Quote | 21:09: “The leading cause of infant death in our country today are chemical abortions. Chemical abortions are abortions that are happening in homes, in dormitories.” – Kristen Hawkins
Environmental Concerns:
Legislative Pushes:
On generational contrasts in value systems:
“For young men who voted for President Trump, number one marker of success was having children... For women who voted for Kamala Harris, [having kids] was 12 out of 13. The only thing that beat out having kids was social media influencer was 13 for all four demographics.” – Kristen Hawkins (04:41–05:14)
On the need for direct conversation:
“The Gen Zs value that directness. But I do think we’ve seen substantial success in the broader pro life movement reversing Roe.” – Kristen Hawkins (08:01–08:06)
On the necessity of personal engagement:
“If we don’t save her, if we can’t convince her that she has value and worth and dignity, it’s almost impossible to convince her that the temporarily inconvenient child in her womb...also has value.” – Kristen Hawkins (20:26–20:40)
Humorous pushback against internal critics:
“Shut the hell up. You wear loafers and you’re in a freaking podcast room. I’m, like, out on the ground getting, like, sunburnt on campuses and getting spit at and yelled at and death threats.” – Kristen Hawkins (19:44–20:13)
Hawkins portrays a movement deeply engaged with Gen Z, fighting on multiple fronts: legal, cultural, and interpersonal. Successes like Roe’s reversal are met with new obstacles, including the distribution of chemical abortion pills and shifting cultural values. The episode's overarching message is clear: effective, respectful outreach—especially to young women—is both the greatest challenge and the surest path to future policy victories.
For further information, listeners are invited to follow Kristen Hawkins on her podcast and social platforms.