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John Bickley
A shocking mob attack in downtown Cincinnati has led to a string of charges against several suspects and a federal investigation.
Heather MacDonald
The footage of the shocking event renewed the national debate over racially motivated crimes and prompted the DOJ to look into potential hate crime charges.
John Bickley
In this episode, we sit down with best selling author Heather McDonald to discuss what crime data reveals about racially charged crimes in the US and the media's role in inflaming racial tensions. I'm Daily Wire Executive Editor John Bickley with Georgia Howe. It's Saturday, August 2nd, and this is a weekend edition of Morning Wire.
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Wired today joining us now to discuss the racially charged debate raging around the recent mob attacks in Cincinnati is Heather MacDonald, a Manhattan Institute fellow, a contributing editor at Citi Journal, and author of Win Race, Trump's Merit, which is a Daily Wire published book. I should note. Heather, thanks so much for joining us.
Heather MacDonald
My pleasure, John. Thank you.
John Bickley
So this week we saw a video go completely viral on the Cincinnati attack. It's really disturbing. I actually had a hard time getting over watching it. Fifteen people or so surrounding this man. Eventually a woman getting just pummeled. The woman is knocked out, her head hits the concrete. It's alarming. It's disturbing. First of all, why do you think this has gone so viral?
Heather MacDonald
Well, I think people realize that they've been fed a pack of lies when they have been told by President Obama, by President Biden, that whites are the biggest threat to blacks. The two presidents used to routinely intoned that black parents were right to fear that their children will be killed every time they step outside, meaning by a white person or by a police officer. The data is precisely the opposite. The rates of interracial crime are way, way on the side of blacks beating up whites. And people experience this, they see it, but they're not allowed to talk about it. And this is, this is just proof that you can't really suppress.
John Bickley
Now this video really spread like wildfire before anyone really knew much about what led to the violence. But there's no doubt about what we see in it, which is a bunch of people either just standing around watching somebody get their head literally stomped on, on the concrete. This is with the male and then the female being punched right in the face by a full grown male, her head hitting the concrete. Like I said, she's knocked out for several seconds. Yet through all of this, almost no one acts to help either of them. Are we seeing a societal problem here on display in this video?
Heather MacDonald
Well, it's certainly a group of people that have not been socialized, that have been taught to give in to their worst impulses. And you know, I'm not, I don't want to really invoke social media here but, but whether there's, this is all sort of performative, I don't know. But this is not. Again, the data show that this is not an aberration. In 2023, the National Academy of Sciences, which is about as establishment and liberal as you can get, came out with a report on crime edited by the left wing criminologist at Columbia, Bruce Western, that said that white on black homicides are virtually non existent, Whites are virtually never killing blacks, whereas blacks commit violent crime against whites at 35 times the rate at which whites commit violent crime against blacks. That is the reality. Hate crimes are just as disparate. If you want to look at who's committing hate crimes against Gays against Asians against Jews. It's overwhelmingly blacks, not whites, and yet we're told just the opposite. And the narrative that is embraced by the media, which is that whites are constantly oppressing blacks, that they are the source of the astronomical black death by homicide rate, cannot help but create in some people a sense of entitlement to strike back at their alleged oppressor. Whites are effectively dehumanized by the media when it comes to race relations.
John Bickley
Now, you mentioned the media there. I wanted to ask you about that factor. For at least the first 24 hours, we didn't see any major outlets covering this at all. At least not what I saw. When they did cover it, it was in a pretty subdued way with vanilla headlines where they've just buried the stories. You're saying the media is not just complicit, they're actually making things worse here in their coverage. Can you expand on that?
Heather MacDonald
Absolutely. Black on black homicides get no coverage. Black on white attacks get no coverage. The only coverage, you know, the media is racist. The only black lives they care about are those extremely rare instances where a white police officer has taken the life of a black person. Those become international global sensations overnight. They get nonstop media coverage, creating a completely phony impression of what the real source is of threat to black people and frankly, to white people. Now, we'll always hear from the media that most crime is intraracial, and that's true, but the rates of intraracial crime are very different and the rates of inter black on white versus white on black crime is very different. But so people have been living in a tissue of media lies that at some point it's just not going to work any longer. And we're seeing this, I think, with the Trump administration that is no longer putting out these phony narratives about white supremacy, that is no longer accepting anti white, anti Asian racism on the part of institutions. And it may be that with a leader that's willing to say, you can't scare me any longer by calling me a racist, I don't care that more and more people are also not going to accept the race hustle and the race grift.
John Bickley
Now, to your point. Vice President J.D. vance publicly weighed in on this. He called for the arrest of all the thugs involved in this, putting a lot of pressure on local officials.
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What I saw is a mob of lawless thugs beaten up on an innocent person. And it's disgusting. And I hope every single one of those people who engage in violence is prosecuted to the full extent of law and they will be. They will be so long. Long as law enforcement in the state of Ohio takes their job seriously.
John Bickley
Now, we did see local officials finally start to really get their act together on this. The police union's been very great on this. The mayor finally weighed in. Some other people have condemned the attacks. So can this kind of pressure from the White House have an effect? Do we see trends of local officials responding to that kind of pressure?
Heather MacDonald
Well, I don't know. We're certainly not seeing that when it comes to immigration enforcement. I'm here in, in Los Angeles or Southern California, and the police departments here are just as adamant about not cooperating with ice. So that's a demographic reality. They're obviously catering to the fact that Southern California is now massively Hispanic. And when it comes to black issues, race issues, white, white, black issues, I'm not sure we'll see. I hope that the Trump administration is going to encourage more departments to publish their racial crime data. Very few do at this point. It becomes harder and harder to get. But I think that the Trump administration has, as usual, the power of the purse. I actually don't believe in federal spending in local crime matters. I think that it's a shell game. I don't believe in federal grants, basically because it's just local taxpayer dollars that gets sent to Washington and then funneled back. And we're all supposed to be so grateful that we've got our local tax dollars back. Nevertheless, given the fact that the feds do send local taxpayers back to local jurisdictions for police spending and whatnot, they should be very explicit and demanding about expecting local police chiefs to publish their crime data. Don't cover this up. And police chiefs, when they're giving public presentations, should start educating the public about the reality of crime. And because, again, we've lived like one phony narrative after another. In Atlanta, if you may recall, John, there was the SPA shootings in 21 by a white guy that went to three Asian massage parlors and shot them up because he was wracked by religious guilt over his sexual taste. This became the standard story, that whites were going around beating up and killing Asians, when, in fact, we saw, occasionally, we got the videos where the elderly Asians were being routinely set upon by blacks in San Francisco and Los Angeles. Before that, in the 2000s and 1990s, we used to hear about the knockout game all the time, where young blacks go around and club elderly people from behind. This is the reality, but the narrative is just the opposite.
John Bickley
Now, you've been personally hit with a Lot of accusations in the past for bringing up this data that it's racist to even cite statistics like this that like you said, are coming from very authoritative sources, a lot of left wing sources. Why is it so important to actually look at the data in an unflinching way? Why is this so vital?
Heather MacDonald
Well, if you care about black lives, you should look at where black lives are being taken and that is inner city neighborhoods by kids that don't have fathers, that have never been socialized, that are engaged in these absolutely mindless, barbaric drive by shootings that are taking the lives of young black children. If we go around pretending that the problem is whites and we need more anti racism training, that's not going to help these kids survive childhood and not get shot while they're playing on trampolines or in their bed at home or at birthday parties or in a park at a barbecue. That's how black kids are getting gunned down. And we turn our eyes away from that reality because it's so depressing and squalid. But that's where our focus should be, not on fighting phantom racism. Plus, I just believe in the truth. I do not believe that human beings should be forced to live with lies. Whether it gets, whether it's with regards to the optional nature of biological sex or what the source is of violence in this country.
John Bickley
Well, a hard conversation that's raging again across the country. Meanwhile, charges have been filed in Cincinnati. So we're seeing the beginnings at least of justice there. Heather, thank you so much for coming on.
Heather MacDonald
My pleasure, John. Thank you.
John Bickley
That was Heather MacDonald, author of Win Race Trumps Merit. And this has been a weekend edition of Morning Wire.
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Morning Wire Podcast Summary: "The Truth About the Cincinnati Attack: Race, Crime, and Media Spin"
Release Date: August 2, 2025
In this compelling weekend edition of Morning Wire, Daily Wire Executive Editor John Bickley and co-host Georgia Howe delve into the unsettling events surrounding the recent mob attack in downtown Cincinnati. The episode, titled "The Truth About the Cincinnati Attack: Race, Crime, and Media Spin," features an in-depth conversation with Heather MacDonald, a Manhattan Institute fellow and author of Win Race, Trump's Merit. The discussion critically examines the intersection of race, crime data, and media narratives in the United States.
The episode opens with a brief overview of the tragic mob attack in Cincinnati, where a woman was brutally assaulted, highlighting the severity of the incident and its immediate repercussions.
John Bickley introduces the topic:
"[02:29] A shocking mob attack in downtown Cincinnati has led to a string of charges against several suspects and a federal investigation."
Heather MacDonald adds context:
"[02:36] The footage of the shocking event renewed the national debate over racially motivated crimes and prompted the DOJ to look into potential hate crime charges."
John and Heather discuss why the video of the attack went viral, emphasizing the public's realization of misleading narratives around race and crime.
John Bickley remarks on the disturbing nature of the video:
"[02:21] It's really disturbing. I actually had a hard time getting over watching it. Fifteen people or so surrounding this man. Eventually a woman getting just pummeled."
Heather MacDonald responds:
"[02:41] People realize that they've been fed a pack of lies when they have been told by President Obama, by President Biden, that whites are the biggest threat to blacks. The data is precisely the opposite."
She underscores that interracial crime often involves black individuals committing crimes against white victims, a narrative rarely portrayed in mainstream media.
A significant portion of the discussion centers on crime statistics and their portrayal in media, challenging commonly held beliefs about racial dynamics in crime.
Heather MacDonald cites authoritative sources:
"[03:27] The rates of interracial crime are way, way on the side of blacks beating up whites. And people experience this, they see it, but they're not allowed to talk about it."
She references a report by the National Academy of Sciences, highlighting that white-on-black homicides are virtually non-existent compared to the high rates of black-on-white violent crimes.
John questions the media's role in reporting such incidents, noting the initial lack of coverage and subdued headlines.
John Bickley observes:
"[05:49] The media is not just complicit, they're actually making things worse here in their coverage."
Heather MacDonald elaborates on media bias:
"[06:13] Black on black homicides get no coverage. Black on white attacks get no coverage. The only coverage, you know, the media is racist."
She criticizes the media for focusing predominantly on cases where white individuals harm black individuals, thereby fostering a false impression of racial dynamics.
The conversation shifts to the role of political leaders in addressing or exacerbating racial tensions.
John Bickley brings up Vice President J.D. Vance's stance:
"[07:59] Vice President J.D. Vance publicly weighed in on this. He called for the arrest of all the thugs involved in this, putting a lot of pressure on local officials."
Heather MacDonald discusses the influence of the Trump administration:
"[08:41] The Trump administration has the power of the purse. They should be very explicit and demanding about expecting local police chiefs to publish their crime data."
She advocates for federal influence to ensure transparency in local crime reporting, which she believes is crucial for addressing genuine issues.
Heather emphasizes the necessity of confronting uncomfortable truths through data to effect meaningful change.
Heather MacDonald states:
"[11:38] If you care about black lives, you should look at where black lives are being taken and that is inner city neighborhoods by kids that don't have fathers... That's how black kids are getting gunned down."
She argues that focusing on systemic issues within black communities, rather than perpetuating narratives of white oppression, is essential for the safety and well-being of black individuals.
The episode concludes with a reflection on the ongoing pursuit of justice in Cincinnati and the broader implications for race relations in America.
John Bickley wraps up:
"[12:55] Now, a hard conversation that's raging again across the country. Meanwhile, charges have been filed in Cincinnati. So we're seeing the beginnings at least of justice there."
Heather MacDonald concurs, emphasizing the importance of continued accountability and truthful discourse.
Conclusion
This episode of Morning Wire provides a provocative analysis of a recent violent incident, challenging prevailing media narratives and urging a data-driven approach to understanding race and crime in the United States. Through insightful dialogue, John Bickley and Heather MacDonald encourage listeners to critically assess the information presented by mainstream sources and advocate for transparency and honesty in addressing societal issues.