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Episode Title: An Anthropic IPO Could be Here Sooner Than We Thought!
Date: December 4, 2025
Host: Tyler Crowe
Analysts: Matt Frankel, John Quast

Overview

In this episode, the Motley Fool Money team explores two hot topics:

1. The likelihood and implications of an Anthropic (OpenAI’s key competitor) IPO, potentially one of the largest in market history.
2. The evolving Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL) market, with Klarna’s bold new membership program in the US. The hosts also finish with their traditional “Stocks on Our Radar” segment, offering three very different investment ideas.

1. The Anthropic IPO: Hype vs. Fundamentals

[00:20–07:59]

Key Points and Insights

• IPO Rumblings
  Anthropic, already a major AI player and OpenAI’s principal rival, is preparing for an IPO as soon as 2026. The company has reportedly hired lawyers and bankers for the public offering, which may rank among the largest ever.

• Private Market Valuation Frenzy

  • Current reported valuation: $350 billion, up from $183 billion just a few months prior.
  • Major backers: Microsoft and Nvidia have already committed $15 billion in the latest funding round.
  • Context: Other AI companies, including pre-revenue “picks and shovels” outfits, are raising staggering sums with “ambitious valuations” despite little track record.
  • Matt Frankel [01:38]:

    "Right now they're valued at about $350 billion... this is up from $183 billion... It really shows you the magnitude of hype surrounding these big AI players."

• Revenue Reality

  • Anthropic is not a pre-revenue company.
  • 2025 estimated annual recurring revenue: $9 billion
  • 2026 target: $20 billion; 2028 management aim: $70 billion
  • Growth is pegged to the continued “AI spending boom.”

• Cash Burn and Skepticism

  • Anthropic expects to burn cash over the next 2–3 years, but not at runaway levels.
  • OpenAI is projected by Deutsche Bank to burn $140 billion (!) through 2029.
  • John Quast [02:58]:

    "I don't even know if my brain can comprehend that number [OpenAI’s cash burn]... these are some of the largest private valuations in history. It's only a matter of time before they go to the public markets."

• Inevitability of a Public Offering

  • Private market capital may “tap out” soon; public markets are almost inevitable.
  • Anthropic seems eager to go public before AI hype wanes, while investor enthusiasm is still high.
  • A wave of AI IPOs could follow—including OpenAI and possibly Elon Musk’s XAI.

Notable Quotes

• Tyler Crowe [04:26]:

  "Eventually the private markets are going to tap out with the amount of money they can give to it. So the public market almost seems inevitable for these companies."

• Market Competition and Investment Angle

  • Google’s Gemini 3 is earning “rave reviews,” challenging OpenAI.
  • Alphabet appears to have the clearest roadmap for AI monetization; others are more opaque.
  • John Quast [06:21]:

    "If you have a lead, I don't think it lasts for very long anymore because of just how fast the space is iterating... I'm more interested in the companies that know what they want to do with the models."

• Matt Frankel [07:22]:

  "I've been calling [Alphabet] the cheapest Mag 7 stock... but to be fair, their AI models really didn't have that much to do with my thesis."

2. Buy Now, Pay Later 2.0: Klarna’s Big Bet

[09:17–17:11]

Key Points and Insights

• Klarna Launches U.S. Membership Tiers

  • Modeled after its European membership program, new U.S. tiers include perks like airport lounge access, spending rewards, cashback, and a flashy 16g rose gold card.
  • Premium pricing: Over $500/year for top-tier membership, competing with high-end credit cards (e.g., Amex Platinum).

• Klarna: More Than BNPL

  • Many miss that Klarna is a bank and disrupting broad financial services—not just BNPL.
  • BNPL remains a sliver of U.S. retail payment volume (~2%), while credit/debit cards comprise ~70%.
  • The move is a clear step to lure premium customers seeking perks—without a traditional credit card.

• Consumer Psychology and Demographics

  • 0% APR is the prime motivator: 86% of BNPL users cite interest-free payments as their draw (Morgan Stanley data).
  • John Quast [12:26]:

    "What's interesting is... people who earn $100,000 or more annually, they're the ones who are making the switch more than anyone else."

  • The high-income, high-credit-score segment is more receptive than previously believed.

• BNPL as a Business Model: Rethinking Risks

  • Traditional critique: BNPL is “inherently risky lending.”
  • Klarna’s net charge-off rate is just 0.44% per year, about a quarter of Amex’s despite its premium clientele.
    • Loans are very short-term (typically 2 months).
    • Payments are linked to customers’ bank accounts.
  • Klarna’s typical economics: 3% merchant fee, low charge-offs, funded by deposits—a potentially strong margin structure.
  • Matt Frankel [15:02]:

    "Klarna's net charge off rate is 0.44%... roughly one fourth of what Amex has..."

• Investment Takeaways

  • The BNPL model, once viewed as risky and unsustainable, is showing unexpected resilience, especially among high-income users.
  • The new membership approach suggests Klarna is adopting more of an Amex model (fee- and perks-driven) than a traditional card network processor.

Notable Quotes

• Matt Frankel [16:27]:

  "The key thing to keep in mind here is these are short term loans... it's really hard to default on them unless you literally don't have money in your bank account."

• John Quast [16:27]:

  "If your top adopters are some of your highest income people, that is actually lower risks than a lot of people might think."

3. Stocks on Our Radar

[18:26–22:56]

A diverse trio of stock ideas from the team:

Matt Frankel: Kinsale Capital Group (KNSL)

• An “old favorite,” Kinsale is a specialty insurer with only “rare discounts.”
• Down 25% from its 52-week high due to succession worries but with strong fundamentals, no down years, and a deep executive bench.
• The broader insurance sector is under pressure (e.g., due to falling rates), but Kinsale stands out as “an incredible business.”

Tyler Crowe: Illuma (ALMU)

• New to NASDAQ, Illuma is tackling “compounded semiconductors” for advanced applications like quantum computing and quantum sensing.
• Their innovation is a cheaper version of a process to build more efficient semiconductors, possibly opening up mass-market quantum tech.
• It's pre-revenue, working on government pilots, but could have a big payoff if breakthroughs succeed.

John Quast: Badger Meter (BMI)

• Makes smart water meters for municipalities—“sticky” customers.
• Helps detect leaks, saving cash and water.
• Growing revenue and profits, rising dividend (increased 18% recently), and no debt.
• Shares are down 30%, offering a rare bargain for a high-quality, defensive stock.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tyler Crowe [22:56]:

  “That was definitely a Stocks on our Radar segment worthy of the Monty Python line. And now for something completely different.”

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Anthropic IPO Discussion: 00:20–07:59
• Klarna & BNPL Deep Dive: 09:17–17:11
• Stocks on Our Radar: 18:26–22:56

Summary Takeaways

• Anthropic’s IPO plans are a sign of the continued gold rush in AI, but there is a real split between hype and business realities. Investors should weigh the size of potential cash flows vs. epic cash burn.
• The BNPL sector is evolving rapidly, with Klarna moving upmarket and showing lower risk than many assumed—especially as it attracts high-income users.
• Investment ideas offered cut across insurance, quantum computing, and water infrastructure—a reminder to look for opportunity in both innovation and reliable cash flows.

This concise but thorough breakdown offers a detailed look at the investment thinking behind AI IPOs, fintech disruption, and three contrarian stock picks—all while retaining the lively, analytical tone of The Motley Fool Money team.