Motley Fool Money: Are Investors Leaving U.S. Stocks? Release Date: April 1, 2025
Hosts: Dylan Lewis, Ricky Mulvey, and Mary Long

1. Liberation Day and Its Market Implications

Discussion on Liberation Day Events and Tariff Proposals

The episode opens with hosts Ricky Mulvey and Bill Barker discussing the upcoming Liberation Day and its potential impact on the markets. Barker emphasizes the uncertainty surrounding the day's announcements:

Bill Barker [00:42]: "What is the true meaning of Liberation Day? And that's what the markets are hoping to find out."

The conversation centers on the Washington Post's report of a proposed 20% tariff on most imports, with considerations of a country-by-country reciprocal approach. Allison Southwick adds nuance by speculating on market reactions based on the actual implementation of tariffs:

Allison Southwick [01:19]: "Sure, if the news is... with a lot of verbiage that there were good deals that had already been made... that would be something that the markets would cheer."

However, she remains skeptical about the market's positive reception, anticipating potential negative outcomes if tariffs are harsher than expected.

2. Investors’ Shifting Stance on U.S. Stocks

Trend of Moving Away from U.S. Equities

Bill Barker highlights a significant trend from a Bank of America survey reported by Bloomberg, indicating that fund managers are now 23% underweight in U.S. stocks—a notable decrease from previous surveys:

Bill Barker [03:36]: "According to a Bank of America survey reported in Bloomberg... it's a plunge of 40% percentage points from the previous survey."

Recalling a previous discussion with Richard Bernstein, Barker and Southwick explore the long-term de-globalization trend, where investors diversify into international equities to mitigate risks associated with U.S. markets.

Allison Southwick shares her personal investment strategy, maintaining and even increasing her international stock holdings due to favorable valuations compared to U.S. stocks:

Allison Southwick [04:23]: "I think international stocks have offered better prices because they really haven't done well for years compared to the US Stocks."

She criticizes some investors for positioning themselves as early adopters of this trend when, in reality, international stocks have already outperformed U.S. markets that year.

3. Harley Davidson: A Case Study in Trade Wars

Impact of Tariffs on Harley Davidson's International Sales

The hosts delve into a specific example with Harley Davidson, examining how tariffs are affecting its global sales. Bill Barker references a Wall Street Journal story highlighting significant price increases in markets like Denmark due to potential EU tariffs:

Bill Barker [05:44]: "Harley Davidson, which does a lot of manufacturing in the United States, ... tariffs already affect Harley, pointing out the Road Glide... in Denmark, it's already at about $77,000."

Allison Southwick provides context on Harley Davidson's market distribution, noting that approximately 60% of sales are in the U.S., with the remaining 40% spread across Canada, Asia, and Europe:

Allison Southwick [06:49]: "I think it's still a major US Brand... designed so they're going to be suffering in terms of international sales."

The discussion touches on whether retaliatory tariffs could potentially benefit Harley by shielding it from international competitors or if the increased costs might erode profit margins. Southwick remains cautious, noting that while tariffs might bolster domestic sales, the overall impact on profitability is uncertain.

Barker further examines Harley Davidson's financial health, pointing out its declining market cap and operational losses:

Bill Barker [10:08]: "... Harleys went from about 10, 12 times trailing cash flow now to 3 times trailing 12 months cash flow."

Despite these challenges, Southwick argues that Harley Davidson is not a "dumpster fire," highlighting the company's enduring brand and product relevance:

Allison Southwick [11:28]: "It's a company with long history. It's got a product which remains roughly as relevant as ever."

She also points to the company's $1 billion buyback authorization as a positive sign, indicating confidence in its stock value.

4. OpenAI’s Massive Funding Round and Valuation Concerns

Exploring the Implications of OpenAI’s $40 Billion Funding

Transitioning to the tech sector, Bill Barker brings up OpenAI's recent $40 billion funding round, raising questions about its valuation and investor expectations:

Bill Barker [12:48]: "OpenAI is one of the hottest companies in the world, led by Masasun. ... What say you?"

Allison Southwick expresses caution regarding the lofty $300 billion valuation, comparing it to more established tech giants like Google:

Allison Southwick [13:36]: "I don't have any look at their financials compared to things which are, you know, in competing space."

She underscores the uncertainty surrounding OpenAI's revenue streams, distinguishing between consumer subscriptions and enterprise-level applications:

Allison Southwick [15:23]: "The number of applications for this with agentic AI and things going well beyond... is going to be what investors are going to need to see."

Southwick remains skeptical about the immediate relevance of consumer subscriptions in justifying such a high valuation, emphasizing the need for tangible enterprise adoption to sustain investor confidence.

Barker humorously speculates on the future interactions between AI agents, illustrating potential complications:

Bill Barker [16:23]: "... when my AI agent is talking to your AI agent to book a podcast conversation."

This lighthearted moment underscores the broader conversation about the practical applications and challenges of advanced AI systems.

5. Recession-Proofing Your Finances

Comprehensive Tips to Navigate Potential Economic Downturns

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to providing listeners with strategies to safeguard their finances against potential recessions. Allison Southwick and Robert Brokamp outline several key areas affected by recessions and offer actionable advice:

a. Understanding Recession Indicators and History

Brokamp explains that while a common misconception defines a recession as two consecutive quarters of GDP decline, the official declaration comes from the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). Historical data reveals that the U.S. has experienced a recession approximately every five years since 1854, with varying durations:

Robert Brokamp [19:23]: "Since then, the US has experienced a recession on average every five years."

b. Stock Market Dynamics

During recessions, stock markets typically decline as they are leading economic indicators. Stocks often rebound before the recession officially ends, making timing the market challenging:

Robert Brokamp [20:31]: "Stocks fall sharply, bonds gold buoyed as tariffs stoke recession fears, say Reuters."

Southwick advises against holding back investments to wait out the downturn, as this strategy might result in missing the market's best recovery days. She notes that historically, the S&P 500 has seen a median decline of 24% during recessions, with consumer staples, utilities, and healthcare sectors proving more resilient.

c. Interest Rates and Bonds

Interest rates generally decline during recessions unless faced with stagflation. The Federal Reserve's potential rate cuts present opportunities for locking in favorable rates through CDs or bonds. Southwick recommends focusing on high-quality bonds, such as Treasuries, which tend to perform well during economic downturns:

Robert Brokamp [21:24]: "Another thing that tends to happen during a recession is that interest rates usually go up."

d. Real Estate Considerations

Home prices have historically remained stable or even appreciated during recessions, acting as both a stock market hedge and an inflation hedge. However, regional variations, such as government layoffs affecting Northern Virginia's real estate, highlight the importance of location:

Robert Brokamp [23:06]: "Home prices normally hold up all right."

e. Unemployment and Job Security

Recessions typically lead to increased unemployment rates, with job loss posing one of the most significant risks. Southwick emphasizes the importance of bolstering "human capital" by enhancing skills, maintaining professional networks, and demonstrating value to employers to mitigate job loss impacts:

Robert Brokamp [24:03]: "Now, recessions can have an impact on most aspects of your finances, but not all in bad ways."

f. Compensation and Benefits

Workers may experience stagnation or reductions in compensation packages during recessions. Southwick advises reassessing budgets, reducing unnecessary expenses, and fortifying emergency funds to navigate potential pay cuts or benefit reductions:

Robert Brokamp [25:14]: "Workers who are fortunate to keep their jobs could still experience a reduction in their overall compensation package during recession."

g. Positive Aspects and Strategic Opportunities

Despite the challenges, recessions can present opportunities such as reduced costs of living and favorable conditions for making significant purchases or investments at lower prices:

Robert Brokamp [25:44]: "If you have the means, you have a job, you have money on the side, a recession actually could be a good time to make a big ticket purchase."

h. Bottom Line and Actionable Steps

The hosts summarize their advice with practical steps:

1. Protect Immediate Funds: Keep necessary money in cash or short-term bonds.
2. Review and Adjust Budgets: Eliminate unnecessary expenses and bolster emergency savings.
3. Enhance Job Security: Strengthen professional skills and networks.
4. Diversify Investments: Ensure a well-diversified portfolio with a mix of stocks, bonds, and possibly index funds.
5. Plan for Retirement: Focus on asset allocation and income diversification to secure retirement funds.

Robert Brokamp [26:35]: "The bottom line on recessions?... Every recession has been followed by an economic expansion."

6. Farewells and Closing Remarks

In a heartfelt conclusion, Robert Brokamp announces his departure from the Motley Fool team, reflecting on over a decade of podcasting alongside Ricky Mulvey and Rick:

Robert Brokamp [27:56]: "My time at the Motley Fool is drawing to a close and today is my last episode of Motley Fool Money."

Allison Southwick expresses her appreciation for Brokamp's contributions, acknowledging the impact they've had on listeners over the years. The segment ends on an emotional note, underscoring the strong relationships built within the Motley Fool community.

Conclusion

This episode of Motley Fool Money delves deep into the complexities of current trade tensions and their ramifications on U.S. stocks, providing listeners with both market analysis and practical financial advice. From dissecting the potential fallout of Liberation Day's tariff announcements to offering strategic guidance on recession-proofing finances, the hosts deliver a comprehensive overview tailored for stock investors seeking to navigate uncertain economic landscapes.

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