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Episode: ASML’s Earnings & How to Follow Earnings Season
Date: October 15, 2025
Host: Travis Hoyam
Guests/Analysts: Lou Whiteman, Rachel Warren

Overview

This episode dives into the freshly released ASML earnings report and uses it to frame how investors should think about both individual company results and the broader trends of earnings season. The team covers ASML’s market position in the AI boom, the nuanced effect of Federal Reserve policy shifts, and practical advice for parsing through earnings reports as an investor. The underlying theme: Understanding the difference between short-term market reactions and long-term business fundamentals.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. ASML’s Earnings: More Than Just Numbers

What is ASML and Why It Matters

• ASML manufactures the highly complex lithography machines vital for making advanced computer chips, particularly those necessary for AI.
• Dominance: "I've seen some estimates that it would take a decade and billions of dollars for any competitor to catch ASML even if ASML stood still. So that is their advantage." (Lou Whiteman, 01:12)

Quarterly Results & Market Reaction

• Shares up after earnings, but guidance notes a sharp expected drop in China sales.
• Management expects 2026 sales higher than 2025.
• Valuation debated: currently at ~10x sales and 35x earnings, raising questions about future growth sustainability.
• “This is not a stock you can look at quarter to quarter as a momentum investor.” (Lou Whiteman, 02:09)

AI Tailwinds & Strategic Partnerships

• The AI boom supports long-term demand for ASML’s machines, but the business is cyclical and lumpy (one large order can move the needle for a quarter).
• Industry-wide AI infrastructure build-out benefits ASML, especially with deals like Nvidia and Intel.
• “Their results do offer, I think, pretty critical insights into the health and direction of the AI sector… Companies are rapidly building out their advanced computing capacity, and that requires the most sophisticated semiconductors that only that EUV technology can create.” (Rachel Warren, 02:36)

Maturing Market & New Partnerships

• Broadening customer base; not just serving hyperscalers.
• ASML announced a partnership with Mistral AI to embed AI into production processes—potentially improving efficiency.

Healthy Skepticism

• Lou questions the real impact of AI on ASML’s manufacturing efficiency:
  “This is a company that has used technology forever. I do believe that AI can improve it, but I just don't think…anything does anything for ASML and I don't think it has to. All of those chips will be built on machines that have been around forever. The next big thing for them is all of the geopolitical, all of the insourcing, all of big fabs that are going to be built in Arizona or wherever and more and more countries looking to domesticate versus having everything in Taiwan. Those are the next generation of orders.” (Lou Whiteman, 04:15)

Long Term Investment Case

• ASML is a mature but vital business.
• Still predicts healthy double-digit growth (possible 44-60 billion euros in sales by 2030 from 32 billion now).
• Strong gross margins (targeting 60%).
• "This for me has been the ultimate buy and hold in my portfolio. It never looks cheap, but it is the only game in town in an important part of the market and it just continues to chug along." (Lou Whiteman, 05:06)

Investor Takeaway

• ASML suitable for long-term investors who can handle short-term volatility.
• Don’t expect outsized returns vs. a decade ago; recognize the business's cyclical and lumpy nature.

2. The Fed, Interest Rates, and Market Sentiment

Powell’s Latest Guidance

• Markets responding positively to hints rates could come down later this year.
• Budget cuts may be on the horizon, with unemployment a prime concern for the Fed.

Cautionary Notes on Rate Cuts

• “We overanalyze all of his words...[but] part of the dual mandate and the solution, unemployment has always been lower rates...I worry this time is going to be a lot more similar to the 2008 or the dot com crash, which took years, if not decades to recover from.” (Lou Whiteman, 07:34)

Balancing Act: Inflation vs. Employment

• “The antidote to high inflation and the antidote to low or high unemployment are two very different solutions that the Fed usually has to deploy. So…that can be a signal of economic weakness.” (Rachel Warren, 08:59)
• Rate cuts stimulate, but can't solve deeper, structural problems.
• “Immediate market enthusiasm…stems from, obviously you've got a boost to asset valuations and corporate borrowing that can ensue. But the real benefit…depends on whether it successfully stabilizes the economy and [improves] long term growth…without creating new risks.” (Rachel Warren, 09:48)

Limits of Fed Power

• Lou observes that confidence in the Fed could swing back with the recognition of its limited toolkit.
• “There's only limited tools that they have. They don't have a magic bullet. They don't have all these like deep state powers to control the economy." (Lou Whiteman, 10:27)
• Stagflation is a looming possibility: stagnant growth, higher inflation, weak employment.

3. Artificial Intelligence & Shifting Labor Dynamics

Amazon’s AI-Driven Layoffs

• Amazon cutting HR staff by 15%—a sign of AI’s impact on employment.
• Entry-level jobs increasingly at risk; unemployment data for younger workers reflect this.

Structural Labor Change vs. Central Bank Tools

• “The Fed's tools are blunt instruments…they're not to solve structural labor issues like technological unemployment…there's actually [a] study by the Federal reserve Bank of St. Louis that had found a pretty striking correlation between high AI exposure in an occupation and rising unemployment rates." (Rachel Warren, 12:18)
• Uncertainty over whether AI will be a net job creator or destroyer, but current effects most noticed in back-office streamlining.

Fed Can’t Fix Everything

• “Of all the things that the Fed needs to worry about right now, I don't think the Amazon announcement and even AI should be front of mind. There's just so much in the now right now.” (Lou Whiteman, 13:41)

4. How to Read Earnings Reports: Best Practices for Investors

Focus on Expectations, Not Just Results

• “Understand that earnings are about expectations...The market's reaction is driven by how a company's results and...its forward guidance compared to Wall Street's expectations.” (Rachel Warren, 14:22)
• A stock may fall on good results if future outlook dims, or rise on mediocre results if expectations were lower.

Look Beyond Headlines

• “The quality of the earnings matters more than the headline…wait for the dust to settle and then really use that information to evaluate how and if your long term investment thesis is still intact.” (Rachel Warren, 15:18)

Backward vs. Forward Looking

• “The numbers are backwards looking, the commentary is forward looking…For me, the commentary, the vision for the future...is more interesting, especially right now.” (Lou Whiteman, 15:34)

Listen to Company Leadership

• “You can hear the true leaders and the true visionaries in those conference calls...those are the...opportunities that we’re all looking for in the market.” (Travis Hoyam, 16:13)

Make Your Own Judgments

• Don’t overweight the market’s initial reaction—build your own analysis based on your investment thesis and long-term perspective.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On ASML’s Competitive Moat:

  • “It would take a decade and billions of dollars for any competitor to catch ASML even if ASML stood still.” (Lou Whiteman, 01:11)

• On Market Sentiment:

  • “This is not a stock you can look at quarter to quarter as a momentum investor.” (Lou Whiteman, 02:09)

• On Fed Expectations:

  • “There's an expression, Travis, that we're always fighting the last war, right? ...I worry this time is going to be a lot more similar to the 2008 or the dot com crash.” (Lou Whiteman, 07:56)

• On the Limits of Rate Cuts:

  • “Rate cuts...are intended to stimulate spending and investment, but they can't fix deeper structural problems.” (Rachel Warren, 09:14)

• On AI & Structural Labor Change:

  • “The Fed can't raise or lower interest rates to bring back a specific type of job...the Fed’s role within the broader employment space [may change] in the coming decade.” (Rachel Warren, 12:28)

• On Interpreting Earnings:

  • “I try to never look at what the market's reaction is to an earnings report because I want to build my own reaction based on my thesis in that company.” (Travis Hoyam, 16:09)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• ASML Earnings Overview & Strategic Context: 00:05–06:33
• Fed Policy, Economic Outlook & Stagflation Risks: 07:08–11:17
• AI Job Disruption, Amazon Layoffs & Labor Market Shifts: 11:17–13:50
• Tips for Reading Earnings Reports as an Investor: 14:19–16:39

Conclusion

This episode provides actionable context for investors navigating earnings season, emphasizing the importance of long-term perspective over knee-jerk market reactions. Through the lens of ASML’s world-beating business, evolving Fed policy, and the rising impact of AI, the discussion underlines the value of fundamental analysis, thoughtful skepticism, and the discipline to focus on what really matters for sustained investment success.