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Episode: How Investing Has Changed In the Last 5 Years
Date: October 17, 2025
Hosts: Travis Hoyam, Lou Whiteman, Dan Kaplinger

Overview

This episode explores how the landscape of investing has shifted dramatically in the past five years, focusing on the outsized impact of meme stocks, the evolving role of retail investors, the implications of new fundraising strategies, and the long-term effects of disruptive technologies like artificial intelligence. Through debate and personal anecdotes, the Motley Fool team examines the new paradigms, the dangers, and what traditional investors should know as they navigate a market where “the story” often outshines fundamentals.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Rise and Impact of Meme Stocks

• Retail investors have driven the meme stock phenomenon, bidding up shares of companies (often heavily shorted or unprofitable) far beyond traditional valuation metrics.

• Over the last five years, meme stocks have outperformed the broader market 4 to 1 (00:05).

• This environment upends classic investing disciplines like discounted cash flow analysis, favoring narrative over fundamentals (00:40).

  Quote:
  “The story is really what's driving a lot of these stocks. So is that a good or a bad thing for the market?" — Travis Hoyam (00:40)

• Real-world examples:

  • GameStop’s transformation from a value play to a meme stock (02:13)
  • AMC’s collapse post-hype, in contrast to companies like Tesla, which used elevated share prices to fund aggressive expansion strategies (03:23)

2. How Companies Respond to Meme Frenzy

• Smart management uses meme-driven spikes to bolster balance sheets (e.g., secondary offerings), but lasting business improvement is far from guaranteed.

• Examples:

  • GameStop leveraged meme status to diversify into collectibles and Bitcoin strategies (02:33)
  • AMC raised capital without achieving profitability.

  Quote:
  “Sometimes you can actually use the meme stock status to generate a business model to generate cash. ... But for GameStop, we've seen real progress.” — Dan Kaplinger (02:33)

• Decision point: Should management “cash in” with secondary offerings or remain disciplined? The consensus is that context matters; leadership should stay true to their vision and not get swept up by short-term hype (07:11).

  Quote:
  “What I want to see management do is be consistent with whatever vision they had in the past… not get full of themselves.” — Dan Kaplinger (08:07)

• Rocket Lab is cited as a case study for responsible management—balancing fundraising with strategic discipline (08:34).

3. When to Take Profits

• The panel debates whether to “take some off the table” after outsized, rapid gains or hold steadfast for long-term prospects.

  Quote:
  “I'm going in with a 5 to 10 year mindset and you have to keep that mindset. ... If you still see that potential, that should outweigh any kind of greed.” — Lou Whiteman (06:07)

4. AI “Picks and Shovels” Investing

• ASML and TSMC discussed as backbone suppliers in the AI and semiconductor race (10:48).

• While growth is strong, capacity constraints and high valuations suggest the “easy” gains might be behind us.

  Quote:
  “None of these companies are cheap... For the most part, it feels like this dance has been danced.” — Lou Whiteman (11:52)

• Geopolitical risks with TSMC and limited long-term high growth at ASML flagged as concerns (13:52).

5. Banking Sector Risks and Creative Financing

• Banks face potential trouble spots, with high-profile bankruptcies raising questions about hidden credit risk.

• The “cockroach” theory: one bad loan signals more problems lurking (14:45).

• Creative financing and rising use of special purpose vehicles (like Meta’s $30B Louisiana datacenter financing) may mask risk and expand systemic exposure.

• Lack of transparency is the chief red flag for investors (16:42).

  Quote:
  “The less transparent a particular business model or funding mechanism is, the more problematic it is likely to be.” — Dan Kaplinger (16:42)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On meme stocks as modern value investing:
  “I have a soft spot in my heart for the whole meme crowd. ... That's value investing. At the end of the day, that's kind of what kicked all this off.” — Lou Whiteman (04:29)

• On AI’s long-term transformative use in medicine:
  “Healthcare drug discovery is really hard. 90% of drug candidates fail. ... If these models can improve the real world success rates by even a little, that could be a big deal.” — Lou Whiteman (34:18, 35:10)

• On addiction stocks:
  “I think that there's a large and growing group of people addicted to cryptocurrency. And in my investing career, I have not hesitated to invest in addiction stocks.” — Dan Kaplinger (25:39)

• On risk in creative financing structures:
  “The simple answer of why you do this is because you have to. ... You are broadening your risk, which is a good thing for Meta and arguably it's a less good thing for the entire economy if things don't go well.” — Lou Whiteman (18:02)

Segment Timestamps

• Meme stocks, retail investor power & company strategies — 00:05–09:27
• AI infrastructure & chipmakers (ASML, TSMC) — 10:48–14:24
• Banking sector risks — 14:24–19:03
• Would You Rather: Asset and Stock Comparisons
  • Gold vs Bitcoin — 19:58–21:54
  • Alphabet (Google) vs OpenAI — 21:54–23:52
  • Palantir vs Coinbase — 24:30–28:56
  • Nvidia vs AMD — 28:56–30:30
  • Joby Aviation vs Delta Airlines — 30:48–32:10
• AI models for understanding the language of human cells (Google Gemini) — 33:22–37:27
• Stocks on Our Radar: Booz Allen Hamilton & Sterling Infrastructure — 37:27–39:54

Stock Picks and Debates

Would You Rather Own:

• Gold or Bitcoin?
  • Dan: Gold for its tangible nature and industrial uses (20:33)
  • Lou: Bitcoin for “optionality,” though both have soared (20:47)
• Google or OpenAI ($500B valuation)?
  • Both choose Google for its operational diversity and less complicated structure (22:22–23:52)
• Palantir or Coinbase?
  • Lou hesitantly picks Palantir (“better chance of paying off”) but prefers neither; Dan selects Coinbase, viewing cryptos as “addiction stocks” with solid business diversification (25:39–27:08)
• Nvidia or AMD?
  • Both select Nvidia for its proven adaptability and scale, though note that both are highly priced (29:19–30:21)
• Joby Aviation or Delta Airlines?
  • Lou: Joby, for speculative growth (“better long-term story”)
  • Dan: Delta, for valuation and comparatively stable business (30:48–32:10)

Stocks on the Radar

• Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH) — Lou’s pick for a value rebound (37:32)
• Sterling Infrastructure (STRL) — Dan’s choice as a lesser-known “picks and shovels” play on data center growth (38:33)

Closing Thoughts

• The conversation repeatedly returns to balancing optimism about new paradigms (AI, memes, crypto, financing innovation) with skepticism about sustainability, valuation, and underlying business health.
• The team emphasizes the importance of transparency, prudent management, and staying true to long-term investing theses, even in a fast-changing market.
• The episode concludes with a lively "stocks on our radar" segment, reinforcing the show’s blend of actionable ideas and thoughtful analysis.

Tone & Takeaways

The episode strikes a balance between sober reflection on new risks and a playful, open-minded curiosity about where the next decade of investing might lead. It’s packed with real-world examples, admissions of mistakes, and practical wisdom for investors at any stage.

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